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#1 Jun 18 2013 at 1:35 PM Rating: Excellent
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#2 Jun 18 2013 at 1:38 PM Rating: Good
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I'm looking forward to No Matter How I Look At It, It's You Guys' Fault I'm Not Popular! The manga has been amusing. Blood Lad and Inu To Hasami Wa Tsukaiyo both raise an eyebrow.
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#3 Jun 18 2013 at 1:46 PM Rating: Good
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Yeah, the quick description on Blood Lad makes it sound pretty interesting. And the fact that the tropes page for God Only Knows links to No Matter How I Look At It, It's You Guys' Fault I'm Not Popular! makes me think that it's got some great potential.

That other one you mentioned sounds horrifying. Not sure if in a good way.
#4 Jun 18 2013 at 4:43 PM Rating: Excellent
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OMGOMGOMGOMG Smiley: grinSmiley: grinSmiley: grin

Can't wait!

As for the others... I've read a bunch of Kimi No Iru Machi, but it was so long ago I've forgotten most of it. Struck me as forgettable, but it's a popular choice on mangahere.com (and has over 200 chapters, IIRC). Monogatari Series Second Season should be worth watching; which reminds me, I still haven't finished Nisemonogatari (and yet, I've already read all about the infamous toothbrush scene Smiley: blush). If Silver Spoon doesn't fall prey to the same fate as the original Fullmetal Alchemist (ie, hitting the mid point and going "OH CRAP, WE HAVE NO MORE CHAPTERS, MAKE UP AN ENDING!") it'll be worth watching. I really enjoy the series in manga form. No Matter How I Look At It, It's You Guys' Fault I'm Not Popular! is one of those you either love or hate; I fall closer to the second category (or at least I just couldn't get into it).
#5 Jun 18 2013 at 4:45 PM Rating: Good
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Aside from The World Only God Knows nothing else looks that interesting.
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#6 Jun 18 2013 at 10:36 PM Rating: Good
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Why do I feel compelled to find out about this toothbrush scene?

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Nisemonogatari: Recommended by 9 out of 10 dentists.
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#7 Jun 19 2013 at 10:18 AM Rating: Good
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Looking forward to: TWGOK S3 (though now that I'm current with the manga I don't think I'll enjoy it quite as much), Kimi no Iru Machi (again, I'm current on this one, but the TV adaptation should be good. The manga was really enjoyable for the first 100-150 chapters or so, though it's really slowed down lately), Monogatari (yesssssssss), Rozen Maiden (maybe, hopefully the reboot will be good).
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#8 Jun 19 2013 at 10:22 AM Rating: Excellent
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The One and Only Poldaran wrote:
Why do I feel compelled to find out about this toothbrush scene?
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#9 Jun 19 2013 at 11:23 AM Rating: Good
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They really did do an excellent job with that scene.
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#10 Jun 19 2013 at 1:59 PM Rating: Good
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lolgaxe wrote:
The One and Only Poldaran wrote:
Why do I feel compelled to find out about this toothbrush scene?
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Yeah, I looked it up. Pretty horrifying.
#11 Jun 19 2013 at 3:33 PM Rating: Excellent
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The One and Only Poldaran wrote:
Yeah, I looked it up. Pretty horrifying.

Yes... horrifying... Smiley: wink
#12 Jun 20 2013 at 12:06 AM Rating: Good
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LockeColeMA wrote:
The One and Only Poldaran wrote:
Yeah, I looked it up. Pretty horrifying.
Yes... horrifying... Smiley: wink
I'm not saying it wouldn't be kinda hot if we changed the context a bit, but with that context, "Horrifying" is the only word I can think of to describe it.
#13 Jun 20 2013 at 8:19 AM Rating: Decent
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Fate/kaleid liner PRISMA☆ILLYA
Interesting, maybe I should pick up the 2 volumes of manga or so that are out.

Hyperdimension Neptunia The Animation
Bwahahaha, this got an anime? I don't even, this will possibly be interesting. Or sh*t.

Monogatari Series Second Season
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The World God Only Knows Megami-hen
@#%^ yes finally

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#14 Jun 20 2013 at 8:20 AM Rating: Good
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I didn't even realize they're bringing DESU DESU DESU back. That should be fun.
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#15 Jun 20 2013 at 8:39 AM Rating: Decent
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I didn't even realize they're bringing DESU DESU DESU back. That should be fun.

I bet most people didn't even realize that the whole blown out of proportion rate me down originated from there.
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#16 Jun 20 2013 at 9:01 AM Rating: Good
Only one I want to check out is Silver Spoon. I agree, make 13 episodes and STOP until the manga has enough material to make a 2nd next year and/or is finished.

My husband, academic nerd he is, will dutifully watch the first 1-3 episodes of each show before winnowing it down to no more than 3-4 to keep up with. (That is, sometime after Seishu-con, as he is frantically trying to finish Sword Art Online before the con since all the research subjects he interviews are probably going to be obsessed with it.)
#17 Jun 20 2013 at 12:24 PM Rating: Decent
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But Sword Art was bad.
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#18 Jun 20 2013 at 1:16 PM Rating: Decent
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Sword Art wasn't bad. It just had a lot of weird pacing issues.
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#19 Jun 20 2013 at 2:31 PM Rating: Decent
That's actually why he initially gave it a pass - he watched the first episode and didn't like it at all.

Either it got better or there's no accounting for taste in anime fandom.

Oh, wait.
#20 Jun 20 2013 at 3:21 PM Rating: Decent
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Sword Art wasn't bad. It just had a lot of weird pacing issues.

There really is no defending it. Kirito likes to pinch cheeks, that is the sum extent of his personality outside of being the guy who saves people. Nobuyuki has no existence outside of being an antagonist; his actions don't serve to further his own goals but really just to give something for Kirito to fight against so we'd have a show. Any mildly interesting mechanics introduced into the world are quickly forgotten and never used. Kirito is pretty much the best at everything after trying it only a few times. Also, the rules of the game stop applying if you want something badly enough.

As for Summer, I'll probably be watching Rozen Maiden, mostly for having seen the others.
#21 Jun 21 2013 at 1:54 AM Rating: Good
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There really is no defending it.

I'll agree for the writing of the SAO arc, and the way that the Fairy Dance arc ends. But beyond that, there really isn't a need to defend it unless you're dealing with someone who's just hating for no reason.

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Kirito likes to pinch cheeks, that is the sum extent of his personality outside of being the guy who saves people.

No, not really. If that's all you got then it's plainly obvious you were trying to find fault with him, or didn't initially like him and decided to ignore any progression he makes.

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Nobuyuki has no existence outside of being an antagonist; his actions don't serve to further his own goals but really just to give something for Kirito to fight against so we'd have a show.

An antagonist has no existence outside of being antagonist? Oh noes, woe is me, what are we to do. You're literally complaining about nothing. And then you go on to be completely wrong. He trapped 300~ people to further his scientific, monetary, lustful, and narcasistic goals. He's even more than halfway there. And due to his actions he's literally days away from being married with the girl he's lusting for. Did you just put the anime on in another room and pretend to watch it?

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Any mildly interesting mechanics introduced into the world are quickly forgotten and never used. Kirito is pretty much the best at everything after trying it only a few times. Also, the rules of the game stop applying if you want something badly enough.


Um, excuse me? Trying a few times? If this is in regards to any form of fighting I'm going to just slap you since he spent many, many hours every day for like two years fighting constantly. If you're talking about flying, it's not just him. All the SAO vets are able to fly just as well as him. It's supposed to emphasize how spending two years playtime in a VRMMO, surprise, makes you good at VRMMO's and able to adapt and react faster.

If you're "rules of the game stop applying" part is referring to the last in game 'fight' in the fairy dance arc, I agree with you. That part was **** as far as I'm concerned. Everything else was consistent as far as I remember though.

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And that's just the anime. Fairy Dance is for the most part well written and better than the anime, sans the ******** asspull ending. The SAO part is... slightly better, but probably the worst part imo. And then phantom boolet is awesome, and it just keeps getting better from there imo.
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#22 Jun 21 2013 at 4:34 AM Rating: Good
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No, not really. If that's all you got then it's plainly obvious you were trying to find fault with him, or didn't initially like him and decided to ignore any progression he makes.

He's just a plainly uninteresting character that isn't well differentiated from other shounen protagonists. He's a nice guy who wants to protect his friends. That's largely the extent of his character. He doesn't have faults. He doesn't have quirks.

Kirito is Gary Stu. All the girls with screen time in the show like him. He's a chosen one (having his special skill). The villain of the second part is after his girl. He's pretty much faultless. He wins every (or nearly? I can't remember) fight he's in, and wins them mostly all by himself. He's the best at most everything he does to the point of absurdity. Remember how he beat the best player in ALO with some of the best equipment in the game literally one day after picking it up?

He's an obvious, boring vicarious doll for male viewers.
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An antagonist has no existence outside of being antagonist?

Yes. He's comically evil. His plan makes no sense outside of providing Kirito something to struggle against so the story is interesting. Taking over people's minds with nerv gear? A fairly ridiculous thing in itself and a fairly generic take over the world plan, but let's have the stand. It's incredibly convenient that Asuna is both Kirito's GF and the object of his desire, but that too can stand. Why the hell is he in the videogame? Because the story wants a cool fight scene. It's ridiculous.
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If you're "rules of the game stop applying" part is referring to the last in game 'fight' in the fairy dance arc, I agree with you. That part was sh*t as far as I'm concerned. Everything else was consistent as far as I remember though.

I had forgotten about that. The most obvious one is the ending of the first cour. Asuna dies in game, which should mean she dies in real life, but she doesn't. Kirito wills himself to win the fight, in seeming defiance of any game mechanics.

There are many other minor details. There are a few reasons for switching in fights, such as taking advantage of cool downs and confusing enemy ai, these are largely discarded and not brought up again along with Kirito mostly soloing encounters.
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I'm certain you remember the details far better than I do, but honestly it's not any one thing, but the summation of all the various faults and lack of redeeming content. SAO, as presented as an anime, has terrible writing. It's got a nice setup, but it falls flat. Animation, good. Visual character designs, above average. Music, enjoyable.

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#23 Jun 21 2013 at 8:22 AM Rating: Good
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Yes. He's comically evil. His plan makes no sense outside of providing Kirito something to struggle against so the story is interesting. Taking over people's minds with nerv gear? A fairly ridiculous thing in itself and a fairly generic take over the world plan, but let's have the stand. It's incredibly convenient that Asuna is both Kirito's GF and the object of his desire, but that too can stand. Why the hell is he in the videogame? Because the story wants a cool fight scene. It's ridiculous.
Actually, I thought that he was doing it for money. Wasn't he working on the mind control thing on a government contract? Makes it seem a bit darker when instead of being a lone villain, he's a contractor for someone with resources to make it work and potentially the subtlety to use it better than he ever could.

As for being in the game...He's egomaniacal. He has a need to gloat as his plan nears completion, both to the woman who he aims to have and the man he's taking her from. It's bog standard villain 101. I can't see the issue with that, other than he's not entirely mentally stable and hasn't read the evil overlord list. But if we're going to complain about that, there are a ton of other villains to complain about across all genres.
#24 Jun 21 2013 at 4:19 PM Rating: Good
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He's egomaniacal.

But that does mean he's stupid. Can't we agree that the Bond villain explain his entire plan to 007 just before he send him off to an overly elaborate and painfully easy to escape death is not a character trait but bad writing? It's there to provide an exciting problem for Bond to solve.

If that's the justification, then what character actions can't you justify? If SAO is well written, then what exactly is out there that's poorly written?
#25 Jun 21 2013 at 11:24 PM Rating: Good
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Allegory wrote:
The One and Only Poldaran wrote:
He's egomaniacal.

But that does mean he's stupid. Can't we agree that the Bond villain explain his entire plan to 007 just before he send him off to an overly elaborate and painfully easy to escape death is not a character trait but bad writing? It's there to provide an exciting problem for Bond to solve.

If that's the justification, then what character actions can't you justify? If SAO is well written, then what exactly is out there that's poorly written?
Not every villain has to be dangerously genre savvy.

And the quality of the writing isn't just about the protagonist/antagonist interaction. In fact, I suggest that the actions of the villain are better looked at as part of the setting than as the driving force of the show. Same goes with the first antagonist, who I found to be a better villain with interesting facets to him. I found the interactions between characters outside of the central conflict to be much more compelling and important to my enjoyment than whether the villain was anything more than a bit of a cliche.
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In fact, I suggest that the actions of the villain are better looked at as part of the setting than as the driving force of the show.

What I got from SAO, and this is a broader criticism of many similar works, is that events are happening because the author needs them to, not because they would occur naturally in the setting. Nobuyuki isn't in the game because of his personality. He is in the game because Kirito needs a way to resolve the plot through combat. If Nobuyuki wasn't in the game, then Kirito would be utterly powerless against him. Nobuyuki went out of his way to be defeated. That's an example of my issue.

I'm equally peeved when a game boss is completely invulnerable except for shooting projectiles at you which you then turn against him.

Well written stories are like chains of dominoes. Given the initial setup, everything should fall into place on its own. Poorly written stories are dominoes that a person has to individually knock over, because she has failed to set up a world where events naturally and logically follow one another.
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