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#1 Jun 18 2013 at 1:35 PM Rating: Excellent
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This thread is about World God Only Knows Season three, and other, lesser anime.

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#2 Jun 18 2013 at 1:38 PM Rating: Good
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I'm looking forward to No Matter How I Look At It, It's You Guys' Fault I'm Not Popular! The manga has been amusing. Blood Lad and Inu To Hasami Wa Tsukaiyo both raise an eyebrow.
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#3 Jun 18 2013 at 1:46 PM Rating: Good
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Yeah, the quick description on Blood Lad makes it sound pretty interesting. And the fact that the tropes page for God Only Knows links to No Matter How I Look At It, It's You Guys' Fault I'm Not Popular! makes me think that it's got some great potential.

That other one you mentioned sounds horrifying. Not sure if in a good way.
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OMGOMGOMGOMG Smiley: grinSmiley: grinSmiley: grin

Can't wait!

As for the others... I've read a bunch of Kimi No Iru Machi, but it was so long ago I've forgotten most of it. Struck me as forgettable, but it's a popular choice on mangahere.com (and has over 200 chapters, IIRC). Monogatari Series Second Season should be worth watching; which reminds me, I still haven't finished Nisemonogatari (and yet, I've already read all about the infamous toothbrush scene Smiley: blush). If Silver Spoon doesn't fall prey to the same fate as the original Fullmetal Alchemist (ie, hitting the mid point and going "OH CRAP, WE HAVE NO MORE CHAPTERS, MAKE UP AN ENDING!") it'll be worth watching. I really enjoy the series in manga form. No Matter How I Look At It, It's You Guys' Fault I'm Not Popular! is one of those you either love or hate; I fall closer to the second category (or at least I just couldn't get into it).
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Aside from The World Only God Knows nothing else looks that interesting.
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#6 Jun 18 2013 at 10:36 PM Rating: Good
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Why do I feel compelled to find out about this toothbrush scene?

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#7 Jun 19 2013 at 10:18 AM Rating: Good
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Looking forward to: TWGOK S3 (though now that I'm current with the manga I don't think I'll enjoy it quite as much), Kimi no Iru Machi (again, I'm current on this one, but the TV adaptation should be good. The manga was really enjoyable for the first 100-150 chapters or so, though it's really slowed down lately), Monogatari (yesssssssss), Rozen Maiden (maybe, hopefully the reboot will be good).
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#8 Jun 19 2013 at 10:22 AM Rating: Excellent
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Why do I feel compelled to find out about this toothbrush scene?
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They really did do an excellent job with that scene.
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Why do I feel compelled to find out about this toothbrush scene?
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Yeah, I looked it up. Pretty horrifying.
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The One and Only Poldaran wrote:
Yeah, I looked it up. Pretty horrifying.

Yes... horrifying... Smiley: wink
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The One and Only Poldaran wrote:
Yeah, I looked it up. Pretty horrifying.
Yes... horrifying... Smiley: wink
I'm not saying it wouldn't be kinda hot if we changed the context a bit, but with that context, "Horrifying" is the only word I can think of to describe it.
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Interesting, maybe I should pick up the 2 volumes of manga or so that are out.

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Bwahahaha, this got an anime? I don't even, this will possibly be interesting. Or sh*t.

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@#%^ yes finally

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I didn't even realize they're bringing DESU DESU DESU back. That should be fun.
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I didn't even realize they're bringing DESU DESU DESU back. That should be fun.

I bet most people didn't even realize that the whole blown out of proportion rate me down originated from there.
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Only one I want to check out is Silver Spoon. I agree, make 13 episodes and STOP until the manga has enough material to make a 2nd next year and/or is finished.

My husband, academic nerd he is, will dutifully watch the first 1-3 episodes of each show before winnowing it down to no more than 3-4 to keep up with. (That is, sometime after Seishu-con, as he is frantically trying to finish Sword Art Online before the con since all the research subjects he interviews are probably going to be obsessed with it.)
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But Sword Art was bad.
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Sword Art wasn't bad. It just had a lot of weird pacing issues.
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That's actually why he initially gave it a pass - he watched the first episode and didn't like it at all.

Either it got better or there's no accounting for taste in anime fandom.

Oh, wait.
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Sword Art wasn't bad. It just had a lot of weird pacing issues.

There really is no defending it. Kirito likes to pinch cheeks, that is the sum extent of his personality outside of being the guy who saves people. Nobuyuki has no existence outside of being an antagonist; his actions don't serve to further his own goals but really just to give something for Kirito to fight against so we'd have a show. Any mildly interesting mechanics introduced into the world are quickly forgotten and never used. Kirito is pretty much the best at everything after trying it only a few times. Also, the rules of the game stop applying if you want something badly enough.

As for Summer, I'll probably be watching Rozen Maiden, mostly for having seen the others.
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There really is no defending it.

I'll agree for the writing of the SAO arc, and the way that the Fairy Dance arc ends. But beyond that, there really isn't a need to defend it unless you're dealing with someone who's just hating for no reason.

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Kirito likes to pinch cheeks, that is the sum extent of his personality outside of being the guy who saves people.

No, not really. If that's all you got then it's plainly obvious you were trying to find fault with him, or didn't initially like him and decided to ignore any progression he makes.

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Nobuyuki has no existence outside of being an antagonist; his actions don't serve to further his own goals but really just to give something for Kirito to fight against so we'd have a show.

An antagonist has no existence outside of being antagonist? Oh noes, woe is me, what are we to do. You're literally complaining about nothing. And then you go on to be completely wrong. He trapped 300~ people to further his scientific, monetary, lustful, and narcasistic goals. He's even more than halfway there. And due to his actions he's literally days away from being married with the girl he's lusting for. Did you just put the anime on in another room and pretend to watch it?

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Any mildly interesting mechanics introduced into the world are quickly forgotten and never used. Kirito is pretty much the best at everything after trying it only a few times. Also, the rules of the game stop applying if you want something badly enough.


Um, excuse me? Trying a few times? If this is in regards to any form of fighting I'm going to just slap you since he spent many, many hours every day for like two years fighting constantly. If you're talking about flying, it's not just him. All the SAO vets are able to fly just as well as him. It's supposed to emphasize how spending two years playtime in a VRMMO, surprise, makes you good at VRMMO's and able to adapt and react faster.

If you're "rules of the game stop applying" part is referring to the last in game 'fight' in the fairy dance arc, I agree with you. That part was sh*t as far as I'm concerned. Everything else was consistent as far as I remember though.

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And that's just the anime. Fairy Dance is for the most part well written and better than the anime, sans the bullsh*t asspull ending. The SAO part is... slightly better, but probably the worst part imo. And then phantom boolet is awesome, and it just keeps getting better from there imo.
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No, not really. If that's all you got then it's plainly obvious you were trying to find fault with him, or didn't initially like him and decided to ignore any progression he makes.

He's just a plainly uninteresting character that isn't well differentiated from other shounen protagonists. He's a nice guy who wants to protect his friends. That's largely the extent of his character. He doesn't have faults. He doesn't have quirks.

Kirito is Gary Stu. All the girls with screen time in the show like him. He's a chosen one (having his special skill). The villain of the second part is after his girl. He's pretty much faultless. He wins every (or nearly? I can't remember) fight he's in, and wins them mostly all by himself. He's the best at most everything he does to the point of absurdity. Remember how he beat the best player in ALO with some of the best equipment in the game literally one day after picking it up?

He's an obvious, boring vicarious doll for male viewers.
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An antagonist has no existence outside of being antagonist?

Yes. He's comically evil. His plan makes no sense outside of providing Kirito something to struggle against so the story is interesting. Taking over people's minds with nerv gear? A fairly ridiculous thing in itself and a fairly generic take over the world plan, but let's have the stand. It's incredibly convenient that Asuna is both Kirito's GF and the object of his desire, but that too can stand. Why the hell is he in the videogame? Because the story wants a cool fight scene. It's ridiculous.
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If you're "rules of the game stop applying" part is referring to the last in game 'fight' in the fairy dance arc, I agree with you. That part was sh*t as far as I'm concerned. Everything else was consistent as far as I remember though.

I had forgotten about that. The most obvious one is the ending of the first cour. Asuna dies in game, which should mean she dies in real life, but she doesn't. Kirito wills himself to win the fight, in seeming defiance of any game mechanics.

There are many other minor details. There are a few reasons for switching in fights, such as taking advantage of cool downs and confusing enemy ai, these are largely discarded and not brought up again along with Kirito mostly soloing encounters.
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I'm certain you remember the details far better than I do, but honestly it's not any one thing, but the summation of all the various faults and lack of redeeming content. SAO, as presented as an anime, has terrible writing. It's got a nice setup, but it falls flat. Animation, good. Visual character designs, above average. Music, enjoyable.

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Yes. He's comically evil. His plan makes no sense outside of providing Kirito something to struggle against so the story is interesting. Taking over people's minds with nerv gear? A fairly ridiculous thing in itself and a fairly generic take over the world plan, but let's have the stand. It's incredibly convenient that Asuna is both Kirito's GF and the object of his desire, but that too can stand. Why the hell is he in the videogame? Because the story wants a cool fight scene. It's ridiculous.
Actually, I thought that he was doing it for money. Wasn't he working on the mind control thing on a government contract? Makes it seem a bit darker when instead of being a lone villain, he's a contractor for someone with resources to make it work and potentially the subtlety to use it better than he ever could.

As for being in the game...He's egomaniacal. He has a need to gloat as his plan nears completion, both to the woman who he aims to have and the man he's taking her from. It's bog standard villain 101. I can't see the issue with that, other than he's not entirely mentally stable and hasn't read the evil overlord list. But if we're going to complain about that, there are a ton of other villains to complain about across all genres.
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He's egomaniacal.

But that does mean he's stupid. Can't we agree that the Bond villain explain his entire plan to 007 just before he send him off to an overly elaborate and painfully easy to escape death is not a character trait but bad writing? It's there to provide an exciting problem for Bond to solve.

If that's the justification, then what character actions can't you justify? If SAO is well written, then what exactly is out there that's poorly written?
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He's egomaniacal.

But that does mean he's stupid. Can't we agree that the Bond villain explain his entire plan to 007 just before he send him off to an overly elaborate and painfully easy to escape death is not a character trait but bad writing? It's there to provide an exciting problem for Bond to solve.

If that's the justification, then what character actions can't you justify? If SAO is well written, then what exactly is out there that's poorly written?
Not every villain has to be dangerously genre savvy.

And the quality of the writing isn't just about the protagonist/antagonist interaction. In fact, I suggest that the actions of the villain are better looked at as part of the setting than as the driving force of the show. Same goes with the first antagonist, who I found to be a better villain with interesting facets to him. I found the interactions between characters outside of the central conflict to be much more compelling and important to my enjoyment than whether the villain was anything more than a bit of a cliche.
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In fact, I suggest that the actions of the villain are better looked at as part of the setting than as the driving force of the show.

What I got from SAO, and this is a broader criticism of many similar works, is that events are happening because the author needs them to, not because they would occur naturally in the setting. Nobuyuki isn't in the game because of his personality. He is in the game because Kirito needs a way to resolve the plot through combat. If Nobuyuki wasn't in the game, then Kirito would be utterly powerless against him. Nobuyuki went out of his way to be defeated. That's an example of my issue.

I'm equally peeved when a game boss is completely invulnerable except for shooting projectiles at you which you then turn against him.

Well written stories are like chains of dominoes. Given the initial setup, everything should fall into place on its own. Poorly written stories are dominoes that a person has to individually knock over, because she has failed to set up a world where events naturally and logically follow one another.
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I'm equally peeved when a game boss is completely invulnerable except for shooting projectiles at you which you then turn against him..

You must have hated Ocarina of Time Smiley: laugh
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You must have hated Ocarina of Time Smiley: laugh

Hey, I was twelve at the time. I didn't see anything weird about being engaged to a fish either and I still don't 0_-.
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Hey, I was twelve at the time. I didn't see anything weird about being engaged to a fish either and I still don't 0_-.


You should watch Muromi-san then
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Kirito is Gary Stu. All the girls with screen time in the show like him. He's a chosen one (having his special skill). The villain of the second part is after his girl. He's pretty much faultless. He wins every (or nearly? I can't remember) fight he's in, and wins them mostly all by himself. He's the best at most everything he does to the point of absurdity. Remember how he beat the best player in ALO with some of the best equipment in the game literally one day after picking it up?

He's an obvious, boring vicarious doll for male viewers.

lolbuzzwords. Really, why would you use the same argument that people use on 4chan, which is to use words incorrectly. Kirito is not the male version of a Mary Sue, unless you want to create a new version of Mary Sue that removes some of the requirements.

Do you know what his special skill is? It isn't being awesome at the game. It's his ability to adapt, and his strong conviction. At the beginning of the game he had a one-up over many people because he played the beta test seriously. He knew the mechanics of the game and had practiced them for longer. Then we cut forward a month, and then keep moving forward. All the while he's spending more time fighting, by himself, more than any other person in the game.

Then in ALO he beats someone who has been the 'top fighter' for a game that's been out for a year, while he's been using the nervegear for over 2 years 24/7.

You're complaining that the person who started (insert anything) before anyone else, and put in more practice than anyone else, is better than those people. It doesn't make any logical sense. It just sounds whiny and childish; you're tunnel visioning because you didn't like the character or show from the get go. It'd be like me complaining that my friend is better than me at Japanese because over the past two years he spent more time studying than me and had a head start.

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Yes. He's comically evil. His plan makes no sense outside of providing Kirito something to struggle against so the story is interesting. Taking over people's minds with nerv gear? A fairly ridiculous thing in itself and a fairly generic take over the world plan, but let's have the stand. It's incredibly convenient that Asuna is both Kirito's GF and the object of his desire, but that too can stand. Why the hell is he in the videogame? Because the story wants a cool fight scene. It's ridiculous.

It's ridiculous to you because you refuse to acknowledge anything. Taking over people's minds? No. Figuring out and mapping out the mind so that it can be recreated and manipulated. And selling this information to the US military for a sh*t load of money.

Why is he in the videogame? Because Asuna is trapped in the video game. He can't interact with the object of his desire unless he's in the video game. It's a simple explanation that shouldn't even need to be made. Stop trying so hard to find faults that don't exist.

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The most obvious one is the ending of the first cour. Asuna dies in game, which should mean she dies in real life, but she doesn't. Kirito wills himself to win the fight, in seeming defiance of any game mechanics.

When someone dies they don't instantly get fried in the real world. If you need cited proof, see the revival item from santa that can revive someone within 10 seconds of dieing in game. If you're peeved that she wasn't fried within the ~30ish seconds from when she died then too @#%^ing bad. You're peeved because mechanics don't work the way you incorrectly assumed they work. The clear game phase instructions overwrote the fry brain instructions when Kirito won because Kayaba isn't an evil twat.

Kirito "defying" the game mechanics to win was the @#%^ing point. During the 10 seconds that you're still in game immediately after your hp reaches zero, he maintained his consciousness and moved his arm.
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Then in ALO he beats someone who has been the 'top fighter' for a game that's been out for a year, while he's been using the nervegear for over 2 years 24/7.

You're far too enamored with SAO to see flaws init, because this is glaringly obvious.

Let's say I'm the absolute best League of Legends or Starcraft player in the world. How realistic is it that after one day I'd be the absolute best at Dota or Starcraft 2 against someone with a year of experience and the second best setup for it. That's what's ridiculous. The best sprinter in the world being good at long distance running? Sure, highly likely. The best sprinter in the world also being the best long distance runner in the world after a day of practice? Laughable.

That's a small part of overbearing flaws of SAO. Kirito isn't a believable character. He's unabashed wish fulfillment. Some people are okay with that--clearly you are--I am not.
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ILet's say I'm the absolute best League of Legends or Starcraft player in the world. How realistic is it that after one day I'd be the absolute best at Dota or Starcraft 2 against someone with a year of experience and the second best setup for it. That's what's ridiculous. The best sprinter in the world being good at long distance running? Sure, highly likely. The best sprinter in the world also being the best long distance runner in the world after a day of practice? Laughable.
You've GMed PNP RP games before right? Have you never had your players win a fight that you had built with the expectations that they run away from it(with the plan to set up a villain for a later encounter) by doing something unexpected? Or perhaps due to some intervention by the random number gods?

If we throw out the running analogy, since the rules on that don't allow for much metagame to it, that leaves us with the games one. I could very well see someone who was an expert at SC winning a single battle in SC2 against a master player by managing to avoid playing to expectations, given a little time to learn the basics about the units. It depends a little on luck, like perhaps pulling out a strategy that no one expects because it only works if no one expects it and everyone used to expect it but this person wasn't expecting it this one time.

Having seen it now, I wouldn't be surprised if a second fight turned out differently once the element of surprise is lost. But there is a huge advantage to the unexpected. As I recall, the battle ended up fairly close.
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Then in ALO he beats someone who has been the 'top fighter' for a game that's been out for a year, while he's been using the nervegear for over 2 years 24/7.

You're far too enamored with SAO to see flaws init, because this is glaringly obvious.

Let's say I'm the absolute best League of Legends or Starcraft player in the world. How realistic is it that after one day I'd be the absolute best at Dota or Starcraft 2 against someone with a year of experience and the second best setup for it. That's what's ridiculous. The best sprinter in the world being good at long distance running? Sure, highly likely. The best sprinter in the world also being the best long distance runner in the world after a day of practice? Laughable.

That's a small part of overbearing flaws of SAO. Kirito isn't a believable character. He's unabashed wish fulfillment. Some people are okay with that--clearly you are--I am not.


The problem with your analogies is that ALO uses the exact same engine as SAO iirc. The main thing Kirito had to adjust to was magic, and he didn't use all that much of it.
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#34 Jun 27 2013 at 7:40 AM Rating: Good
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You've GMed PNP RP games before right? Have you never had your players win a fight that you had built with the expectations that they run away from it(with the plan to set up a villain for a later encounter) by doing something unexpected? Or perhaps due to some intervention by the random number gods?

Certainly. I think there are two differentiating factors. D&D is not a competitive game, and while there is a conflict occurring between the players and the DM, neither is trying to win so much as they are trying to have a good time. And no one beats the DM anyway.

That fight, and so many other situations just reek of contrivance. The girl he meets in ALo just happens to be his sister who also likes him, but they're not blood related so it's ok? That doesn't seemed like a forced situation? Having Asuna "die" valiantly defending him to provoke strong emotions from the viewer, but jk she's not actually dead? That doesn't seem contrived? Every female with screen time being attracted to him isn't contrived?

SAO just feels like a very fake world where the author knows what he wants to happen, but cannot imagine a realistic way for it to occur.
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It is after a couple of drinks.
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#36 Jun 27 2013 at 9:05 AM Rating: Default
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Poldy and Vataro already explained why your analogies and way of thinking are stupid, so I doubt I have to drive home that point. You had to gall to tell me I'm too enamored with SAO to see the flaws when I myself pointed out some that you didn't even remember. Meanwhile you're in the exact opposite corner blinded by your illogical hate for the show and characters.

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That fight, and so many other situations just reek of contrivance. The girl he meets in ALo just happens to be his sister who also likes him, but they're not blood related so it's ok? That doesn't seemed like a forced situation? Having Asuna "die" valiantly defending him to provoke strong emotions from the viewer, but jk she's not actually dead? That doesn't seem contrived? Every female with screen time being attracted to him isn't contrived?


So this guy leading an army needs to cross a bridge that's owned by his uncle, should be no probs right? But no, the uncle just so happens to have daughters and wants him to marry one. He reluctantly agrees. Immediately after some bitch shows up and he falls in love with her and gets married to her. Talk about forced situation amrite? Then one of the leaders in his army decides to kill some kids, and he has to be punished. Another sh*t forced situation amirite? Now he has to kill him, or he could just jail him for a while, but nah he's gotta kill him because HONOR. And because of that part of his army leaves him, and he has to go to the uncle again to get forces! More liked Forced forces amirite? And then he dies. Yet this was raved about as incredibly well written and "domino like".

News flash: "Forced Situations" is yet another buzzword. Every single situation in every fiction ever made is a forced situation. The fact that you're calling stuff forced means you went into it with hate already clouding up your mind.

If they do Phantom Bullet correctly it's going to be awesome, since that was the first light novel I felt was well written. But since you can't understand how somebody who's used an interface for over thrice as long as someone else could ever possibly be better at using that interface, I doubt you'll be able to enjoy anything. (Since he uses his past experiences and skills to beat other people, which you seem to have a problem with.)

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#37 Jun 27 2013 at 3:09 PM Rating: Good
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Actually, I think a lot of the problem is that the anime is missing information that the light novel includes(which I only know about thanks to TVTropes).
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The girl he meets in ALo just happens to be his sister who also likes him, but they're not blood related so it's ok? That doesn't seemed like a forced situation? Having Asuna "die" valiantly defending him to provoke strong emotions from the viewer, but jk she's not actually dead? That doesn't seem contrived? Every female with screen time being attracted to him isn't contrived?

SAO just feels like a very fake world where the author knows what he wants to happen, but cannot imagine a realistic way for it to occur.
The girl he meets was met due to very specific circumstances. They logged in at roughly the same time from roughly the same IRL location, so the game put them into the same area, possibly thinking it was a single player multiboxing or some such. Asuna doesn't die specifically because Kirito defeats the final boss, sending a "game clear" signal before the game sends a "fry her brain" signal.

Another one not specifically mentioned in here is that apparently the character speeds are actually set based on your RL reaction time, so compared to Kirito, other players are playing with some serious lag or perhaps simply have slower swing speeds and such.

The specifics of his relationship with his "not really his sister" and all the girls being attracted to him are pretty standard anime conventions. Bellisario's Maxim is in effect. Some things you just have to hand wave. I'm sure if it wasn't past my bedtime I could probably name at least half a dozen animes that I enjoy that use similar conventions. In some ways, it's a harem show with an interesting premise. I'm fine with that. If it's not your kind of thing, then it's not your kind of thing.
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#38 Jun 27 2013 at 6:33 PM Rating: Good
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Actually, I think a lot of the problem is that the anime is missing information that the light novel includes(which I only know about thanks to TVTropes).

My experience is solely limited to the anime. I've read a bit of the wiki on the light novels, but not the materiel themselves.

Certain abnormalities are probably due to anime adaption. For example, Sugou has a giant poster of her character in her room (vain much?) that Kirito apparently never noticed. That seems like a detail that was storyboarded in by the anime production team, and probably not in the LN.
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Asuna doesn't die specifically because Kirito defeats the final boss, sending a "game clear" signal before the game sends a "fry her brain" signal.

I know why it happened, I just felt the reason for why it happened is contrived. She gets to have a death scene, but not have the consequences of dying. You get your cake and eat it too.
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If it's not your kind of thing, then it's not your kind of thing.

You're certainly right in that regard.

I think I'm mostly just annoyed at how much of a let down I felt the series was. I like the concept of players being trapped in an MMORPG, and I believe it has potential. .hack//sign was a fairly terrible anime (from the eight episodes I watched), and so I was let down before. I wanted SAO to be so much more than it was, a below average shounen battle story with a setting that was more like high fantasy than MMORPG.

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Certain abnormalities are probably due to anime adaption. For example, Sugou has a giant poster of her character in her room (vain much?) that Kirito apparently never noticed. That seems like a detail that was storyboarded in by the anime production team, and probably not in the LN.


Actually, iirc that was in the LNs too. Is it that strange to think that he never would have had a reason to go into her room? They weren't exactly close siblings, even during the ALO arc they were in the process of rebuilding their relationship. Not to mention he was very busy with other stuff.
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According to some doujins, he's been in Sugou's room quite a number of times.
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According to some doujins, he's been in Sugou's room quite a number of times.
And according to my horrible writing, my WoW character can create frost wyrms and use portals to cut people in half. Blizzard still hasn't given me either of those powers.
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#42 Jun 28 2013 at 6:34 AM Rating: Decent
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I think I'm mostly just annoyed at how much of a let down I felt the series was. I like the concept of players being trapped in an MMORPG, and I believe it has potential. .hack//sign was a fairly terrible anime (from the eight episodes I watched), and so I was let down before. I wanted SAO to be so much more than it was, a below average shounen battle story with a setting that was more like high fantasy than MMORPG.

To be fair, the original SAO arc is horribly written. The author himself has even said he's slightly embarrassed by it iirc. With the short stories and progressive volumes he's trying to slowly rewrite it since it has so much potential. The reason it's so convoluted and quick is because there was a size limit on the competition he initially wrote SAO for. Half of what we saw in the anime about the SAO arc were side stories written after he wrote the original SAO arc.

You may actually like the Alicization arc of Sword Art Online though. It starts off insanely boring because new stuff is introduced for no raison and it''s like wtf is going on, but then it gets really good imo. And if you've watched or read Accel World at all (which I think is more well written than all his SAO stuff) you start to see similarities with mechanics since they share the same universe.
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#43 Jul 25 2013 at 9:29 AM Rating: Good
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Since this is sorta the anime general thread. http://www.animenewsnetwork.com/news/2013-07-25/serial-experiments-lain-director-ryutaro-nakamura-passes-away. Despera, never. Everyone I like in the industry dies.

Rozen maiden is turning out much better after the catastrophe of episode 1. I plan to give Sympohgear a shot since I like original series, but there's a previous season that needs to be watched first.

Sales are in for 2012. Jojo had a strong showing which is promising for the rest of the series receiving an animation. The studio really did an excellent job.
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