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#52 Apr 22 2013 at 9:32 AM Rating: Good
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I wonder if they're going to show Coldhands at all. If so, will they show his face? There's been a lot of speculation that he is Benjen Stark, so showing his face could be kind of a big reveal.
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I wonder if they're going to show Coldhands at all. If so, will they show his face? There's been a lot of speculation that he is Benjen Stark

He's clearly not.

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A solid episode all around, probably the best one so far this season. The only low point was the Bran scene, but there isn't a whole lot they can do with him until they reach the wall. I especially enjoyed the scene featuring Tywin and Cersei. She's needed a good kick in the *** for a while now. I'm rather curious to see if her downfall will be as drastic as it is the books.
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#56 Apr 23 2013 at 5:19 AM Rating: Excellent
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Loved this episode. I've not read the books, but I saw Dany's scene coming. Still, it was great - so good to see her finally become something closer to a leader.
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Loved this episode. I've not read the books, but I saw Dany's scene coming. Still, it was great - so good to see her finally become something closer to a leader.

Hopefully they'll either leave out all of the "re awaking sexuality" stuff for her from the books, or at least hire Mercedes Lackey to write it. For some strange reason, the imaginings of a fat neck beard fantasy author about what a young girls vision of sexual longing might be doesn't really work.
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It's HBO. They'll just have to show her tits a few times.
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#59 Apr 26 2013 at 8:20 AM Rating: Good
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It's HBO. They'll just have to show her tits a few times.

Iir Dany just does the girl on girl thing until Daario enters the story - should be lotsa tit.
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It's HBO. They'll just have to show her tits a few times.

Iir Dany just does the girl on girl thing until Daario enters the story - should be lotsa tit.

And a few times afterwards, iirc?
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#61 Apr 29 2013 at 6:36 AM Rating: Good
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Lots of boob-viewing last night, but hardly got to see any of Jaime's nakedness. I think the writing team is lacking straight women. Maybe Grey Worm will show some skin.

The Frey fiasco has begun.....

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Lots of boob-viewing last night, but hardly got to see any of Jaime's nakedness. I think the writing team is lacking straight women. Maybe Grey Worm will show some skin.

The Frey fiasco has begun.....


A mixed bag last night, I think.

The dude playing Beric is kinda really badass. He's a great pairing with Thoros, too. I wish we'd see more of them but we probably won't.

Jaime's scene was great. It got a tad melodramatic at the end, though. And any scene with Tywin is a good scene. Barristan Selmy is coming off rather presumptuous.

But Robb, though...

TOO MUCH FORESHADOWING. TOO MUCH. STEP THAT **** BACK.


I don't like how they're handling his story at all.
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#63 Apr 29 2013 at 8:24 AM Rating: Good
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Maybe Grey Worm will show some skin.

I forgot he doesn't really have skin - ******** anyways. He was kind of hot though.

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I don't like how they're handling his story at all.
Exactly. Though maybe it's just a side-effect of having read the books.

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As I surmised, Greenwald is sniffing out Robb's big plot point.

http://www.grantland.com/blog/hollywood-prospectus/post/_/id/75487/game-of-thrones-season-3-episode-5-a-game-so-dirty-it-makes-you-want-to-take-a-bath-or-two

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I forgot he doesn't really have skin - ******** anyways. He was kind of hot though.


Well, he doesn't have balls either.
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I think it's funny seeing Sansa and Littlefinger on screen together. She makes him look like a dwarf.

Also... Ygritte was a nice way to break the nudity dry spell. Smiley: nod

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I just read this article regarding a US politico and his comments on the record amounts of torrent piracy that GoT has instilled. I found this excerpt quite funny:

Taking a page from Bleich’s book, however, the Underwire staff decided to imagine how other Game of Thrones characters would feel about torrenting Game of Thrones:

Ned Stark: Waits for the DVD, and grimaces quietly as everyone who downloaded it spoils all the twists on Twitter.

Littlefinger: Pirates it, sells bootleg DVDs, and then publicly tut tuts about the evils of illegal downloading.

Jon Snow: Insists that he doesn’t watch it or care about the show but secretly reads summaries on Wikipedia.

Salladhor Saan: Pirates it, obviously.

Davos: Used to pirate, but got slapped on the wrist with an RIAA “copyright alert letter” and is now on the straight and narrow.

Robb Stark: Watched a pirated version at a friend’s house by accident and then felt so guilty he pre-ordered all the DVDs AND subscribed to HBO.

Melisandre: Doesn’t watch the show. She’s read the books, so she’s already knows what’s going to happen anyway. Or so she thinks.

Theon Greyjoy: Pirates it, but has to pay the Iron Price: seeding long enough to get his share ratio to 1:1. House Greyjoy: WE DO NOT SUBSCRIBE.
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The best moment the show has ever given me was when Tywin told Cercei she was marrying Loras Tyrell. I instantaneously paused the show and laughed my head off until my partner finally complained. Frick, that's the funniest funniest thing to happen in fiction or fact all year.

This is one of my all time favourite episodes. Stannis' little daughter was such a splendid, happy little thing, even though she seemed very confined to dark rooms in a dark castle. She got a good intro with the Onioin Knight consolidating her after her father's visit. I wonder if there is anything to her facial disfigurement looking sorta scaly? She's living in Dragonstone, that was the seat of the Targaryons, wasn't it? Her mother got creepier and creepier, finishing with the pickled stillborn babies. EEURCH.

The fight scene in the dark with the flaming sword was spectacular. Just gorgeous. Arya crying over Ned being unable to be resurrected was so sad. AND she's losing Gendry right when she's down. Although no time is a good time to lose Gendry. =( But I can see why Gendry wants to stay with the BwB. And no wonder people follow the Lord of Light when your God actually RESURRECTS people! Jesus Christ! Um... well yeah, Jesus Christ!

And... what a wildcard. Valar Morghulis, "All men die"..... Unless you're standing next to Thoros! O_o

Yay! John Snow's lovely prettiness was finally put to good use by Ygritte. And apparently he reinvented oral *** on the spot, which is VERY boss for a virgin. It seems that underneath he's still loyal to the Night's Watch, though. That has to be a lie that there's a thousand men back at Castle Black. Talking about bathing, the Brienne-Jaime scene. My god, what this show can do with extended scenes. I found it extremely powerful, and I was mesmerized by both of them... every little facial expression spoke a thousand words. And the make-up department deserves an award. It was really good to hear more around Mad King Aerys' death. But I really can't FEEL why people in Westeros hate Jaime more for breaking his oath to the king than they like him for winning the rebellion for them when pretty much everyone wanted Aerys dead, including Tywin Lannister, who seems to have betrayed Aerys every bit as much as Jaime did by opening the gates to the rebel Baratheon/Starks while he was Hand.

That was a ***** of an episode for Robb. He's not having a good season. First there wasn't much of him, and now he's having to kill his allies. It's really not looking good. When he scrunched his fist up in pain as he walked away from the execution, I really felt it. He's so reduced since he rode up to Catelyn having just captured Jaime.

Sansa IS a good little liar these days, she lied straight to Littlefinger's face. Shame it wasn't because she knows he's slime. Poor Tyrion really isn't back to his old self totally yet. Although he's still got his morals. I think he's right. I love Tyrion to death, but Sansa? I don't think so. Especially while she's infatuated with Loras. WHich brings us back to Cercei and Loras! Cercei may have been the Evil Queen ***** of the Kingdom while Robert was alive, but being handed off to LORAS by her father just pulls all the authority out of her. Maybe not technically, but metaphorically? Oh My God. Loras! Who is offloaded to whom in that match?



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I take it you mean Stannis' daughter. Smiley: wink Her disfigurement comes from a disease. Forgot the name but it is rather lethal and the ones that survive it have these scale-like skin on large parts of their bodies afterwards. Her mother the queen is even crazier than in the books. Nice little touch with her dead fetuses (?) swimming around in glas jars. Reminded me of the Governor from Walking Dead.

Melisandres and Thoros' god does not resurrect anyone. Beric is a special case. I won't go into details because books and spoilers and such. But as he himself said in the episode it does not feel very good to constantly get killed and resurrected again.

Jaime is not really hated because he killed Aerys. That's just the reason almost no one trusts him because he broke his sworn oath rather spectacularly. The reason most people dislike him is that he comes across as arrogant, selfish and ruthless. I find it sad that the many POV chapters he gets in the books can not adequately be translated into the series because they made him one of my favourite characters ever. The bathing scene was the first time in the GoT series where he came across as someone likeable. At least that's my impression. He had some badass scenes before but none that made him very sympathetic.

Yeah Robb should have learned this lesson when Ned was decapitated. Being honorably is not always the smartest move. He should have listened to his advisers but just like his father he is pretty stubborn in his views.
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I take it you mean Stannis' daughter. Smiley: wink Her disfigurement comes from a disease. Forgot the name but it is rather lethal and the ones that survive it have these scale-like skin on large parts of their bodies afterwards.


Greyscale, right? It's talked about more later on in the series; and what happens to some of those who contract it. "Fatal" is only half of it.

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Could you explain this in a Spoiler tag? As far as I remember, Thoros did bring Dondarrion back through prayer (though the first time it was accidental). And yeah, dying is never pleasant, even when you can come back Smiley: lol

One thing I found funny is that the actor who plays Dondarrion is in his 40s, but in the book, the character is only 21 or 22 in the books. Sure, getting killed and resurrected can age you, but usually not THAT much! Smiley: tongue
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Could you explain this in a Spoiler tag? As far as I remember, Thoros did bring Dondarrion back through prayer (though the first time it was accidental). And yeah, dying is never pleasant, even when you can come back Smiley: lol

Basically after the first time Beric died Thoros was all set to perform the last rites of R'Hllor. The last part is basically breathing fire down the dead guy's throat to cleanse him. Instead of being cleansed Beric springs back to life.

I think as far as spoilers go he's referring to the whole Lady Stoneheart thing.
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Could you explain this in a Spoiler tag? As far as I remember, Thoros did bring Dondarrion back through prayer (though the first time it was accidental). And yeah, dying is never pleasant, even when you can come back Smiley: lol

Basically after the first time Beric died Thoros was all set to perform the last rites of R'Hllor. The last part is basically breathing fire down the dead guy's throat to cleanse him. Instead of being cleansed Beric springs back to life.

I think as far as spoilers go he's referring to the whole Lady Stoneheart thing.


That and the possibility that Melisandre was wrong about Stannis being the chosen one. And that the real chosen one is this lifeforce that first brings back Beric and later Cat. My memory is a bit hazy but I remember reading a theory that explained how this could be pretty good. My money is on Daenarys for being the champion of light though. But with GRRM you never know for sure.
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Could you explain this in a Spoiler tag? As far as I remember, Thoros did bring Dondarrion back through prayer (though the first time it was accidental). And yeah, dying is never pleasant, even when you can come back Smiley: lol

Basically after the first time Beric died Thoros was all set to perform the last rites of R'Hllor. The last part is basically breathing fire down the dead guy's throat to cleanse him. Instead of being cleansed Beric springs back to life.

I think as far as spoilers go he's referring to the whole Lady Stoneheart thing.


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This reminds me of an utter wildcard theory I have. It came about because of an interview I watched with Benioff or Weiss. He was talking about why GRRM gave the TV rights to Benioff and Weiss, the deciding factor. (After all, GRRM specifically wrote ASOIAF because it wasn't a story that Hollywood could in any way, shape or form fit into a TV script. He was a TV scriptwriter, and sick of the limitations of the medium.)

GRRM asked B&W "Who do you think Jon Snow's mother is?". Benioff (or Weiss?) said they kind of panicked, because they had no idea who she was, but they looked at each other, and made a wild guess based on their understanding of GRRM's storytelling. GRRM didn't tell them if they were right or wrong, but his face broke out into a huge grin, and he said back to them: "I like the way your minds work." So my wildcard guess for John Snow's mother is Cercei. His father is NOT Jaime, could be Robert, or could be someone else entirely because Cercei's marriage to Robert originally was purely political and not based on love on either side.
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So my wildcard guess for John Snow's mother is Cercei. His father is NOT Jaime, could be Robert, or could be someone else entirely because Cercei's marriage to Robert originally was purely political and not based on love on either side.


Hmm have not thought of that. He has dark hair so it could be possible because the seed is strong. Smiley: wink But at least in the books Cersei almost never had real intercourse with Robert but pleased him with hand or mouth. Also she was already knocked up by Jaime many times she lay with Robert. The next spoiler is in my eyes the solution to this little riddle so seriously do not read it if you want to keep wondering about Jon Snow. He is most likely the son of Rhaegar and the late Lyanna Stark. Robert always said how Rhaegar raped her etc etc. But the Rhaegar Barristan Selmy recalls would never do such a thing. Lyanna fell in love with her captor and had a child with him. The reason she died was not some kind of torture but a difficult birth labor. It would explain why Ned is so adamant in keeping the secret about Jons mother. And he would not have besmirched his honor. It also fits with Neds memories of her last moments in which she pleaded with him "Promise me, Ned. Promise me." Or something similar.

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He is most likely the son of Rhaegar and the late Lyanna Stark. Robert always said how Rhaegar raped her etc etc. But the Rhaegar Barristan Selmy recalls would never do such a thing. Lyanna fell in love with her captor and had a child with him. The reason she died was not some kind of torture but a difficult birth labor. It would explain why Ned is so adamant in keeping the secret about Jons mother. And he would not have besmirched his honor. It also fits with Neds memories of her last moments in which she pleaded with him "Promise me, Ned. Promise me." Or something similar.
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That's certainly the impression I get regarding Jon. Based upon all the information anyway. I guess we'll only ever know if Howland Reed decides to get chatty. Smiley: tongue

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Yeah I'm well aware of the R+L=J theory. It does fit well with the story. But I never underestimate GRRM's capacity to surprise me. I guess I'm over the whole R+L=J thing because *everyone* who's read the books believes in it already. It just won't be a surprise if it turns out to be Jon's real backstory after all.
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Yeah I'm well aware of the R+L=J theory. It does fit well with the story. But I never underestimate GRRM's capacity to surprise me. I guess I'm over the whole R+L=J thing because *everyone* who's read the books believes in it already. It just won't be a surprise if it turns out to be Jon's real backstory after all.

I'm kinda rooting for this theory to be true, but then it turns out that at the end of book 5 Jon really did die permanently. So it turns out the destined hero of the age is already dead, and Westeros is screwed Smiley: lol

Bonus points if Jon wargs out to his direwolf, and later wargs a dragon to take down the White Walkers Smiley: tongue
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I'm kinda rooting for this theory to be true, but then it turns out that at the end of book 5 Jon really did die permanently. So it turns out the destined hero of the age is already dead, and Westeros is screwed Smiley: lol

Bonus points if Jon wargs out to his direwolf, and later wargs a dragon to take down the White Walkers Smiley: tongue


Sure he died? I took it he got seriously injured but I believe that he's dead when we get a POV chapter from another character starring down at his carcass. He 'just' got stabbed and passed out imo.
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I'm kinda rooting for this theory to be true, but then it turns out that at the end of book 5 Jon really did die permanently. So it turns out the destined hero of the age is already dead, and Westeros is screwed Smiley: lol

Bonus points if Jon wargs out to his direwolf, and later wargs a dragon to take down the White Walkers Smiley: tongue


Sure he died? I took it he got seriously injured but I believe that he's dead when we get a POV chapter from another character starring down at his carcass. He 'just' got stabbed and passed out imo.


Agreed. I don't think it's even going to be a warging thing. I think Lord Snow's gonna wake up in poor condition, but alive somewhere. My guess is it'd be a late chapter in the next book - that GRRM lets the readers sweat about his fate for a bit.
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I'm kinda rooting for this theory to be true, but then it turns out that at the end of book 5 Jon really did die permanently. So it turns out the destined hero of the age is already dead, and Westeros is screwed Smiley: lol

Bonus points if Jon wargs out to his direwolf, and later wargs a dragon to take down the White Walkers Smiley: tongue


Sure he died? I took it he got seriously injured but I believe that he's dead when we get a POV chapter from another character starring down at his carcass. He 'just' got stabbed and passed out imo.

I think this is what most people would want to have happen, but GRRM isn't one for letting favorite characters live. While it would be fine if this is how things work out, I'll actually be disappointed if it goes that way (similarly to how I was happy-but-also-disappointed that Brienne seems to have survived her hanging). I want to see my favorite characters survive, but I don't want them to suddenly develop plot armor this late into the series. Up until now, the cardinal rule seems to have been "GRRM has a death lottery, and your favorite characters' number ALWAYS comes up eventually."*

*Edit: Or they get seriously beaten up/scarred/maimed. Still, when someone dies, it's usually pretty certain they're dead. Well, besides Stoneheart Smiley: tongue

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It's not so much that I don't want him to die. It's more that I don't think it would make much sense for the overall story to kill him off now. Granted, that's only my very limited view and opinion but I just can't see the Wall/Wildling/Winterfell storylines progress in a meaningful way with him dead.

As long as Jaime lives on he can kill every single other character for all I care. Smiley: lol
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Except Tyrion. He's not allowed to die, because reasons.
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It's really hard to pick the one person who's going to be alive at the end of the series.

Varys would seem to have the best interests of the realm at his heart, but I kind of expect a more ironic outcome. Like Sansa. Sorry if I'm not spoiler tagging everything, I'm kinda beat.

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Martin doesn't kill favorite characters. He has set pieces in mind for big deaths, but he also has clearly avoided killing anyone really beloved by readers. Ned's death was a set piece to tell people that normal high fantasy "Honor" would get you killed in his world. Rob's death was another set piece, and while the scene is memorable, the idea that Rob was a beloved character is idiotic. His death is memorable for the betrayal more than his removal from the storyline. It's also visible 1000 miles away. "Boy king is making a will to name his brother Dark Fantasy Mary Sue his heir? Well, he *definitely* won't die any time soon."

Jon's character is so comically the character fantasy readers identify as the protagonist with it's amazing that anyone thinks he could possibly die in any meaningful sort of way before the last book. He's a cartoon. All of his "flaws" are along the lines of "loves too passionately" or "cares too much about the realm". Let's review the tropes involved in this character you somehow believe there's any chance of being dead:

Loner outsider with no real friends: Check
Great warrior: Check
Borderline manga style super pet: Albino dire-wolf? Really, George?: Check
Virgin who's awesome at *** almost immediately: Check
Magical powers?: Check
Daddy issues: Check
Born leader: Check
Reprograms Starfleet Computer to allow him to "win": Che...oh wait. That should be: So beloved by his friends that they engineer a way for him to be Lord Commander of the Night's Watch, so he's not only granted a super-powerful position, he remains humble by not dirtying his hands manipulating the process: Check
'Revolutionary' ideas that are idiotically simple:"Borrow money instead of starving to death, maybe?" "Jon, you're a genius!"
Wins over savages to the white man's grace by "understanding" their customs and beliefs almost instantly: Check
Slays undead: Check
Defeats a vastly larger force with moronic techniques and "strategy" with a large dash of deus ex machina at the last minute?: Check

You REALLY believe THIS character is going to die? Really? The outsider ******* with the albino wolf who has recently been named in a will to be the heir to Winterfel, who is stabbed in near proximity to a priestess of a religion that can resurrect people? A character who we've been informed can project his being into other animals or people? A character who is attacked in a book ending cliffhanger who happens to need a way to free himself from the oath he took to the Watch that lasts until his "death". REALLY?

Don't be such a sucker. Of course he's not dead. Is he "dead"? Probably, to free him from the Watch oath, because as we know, little Jonny Snow Snow and his wolf Ghost would never betray the Watch willingly. No, Reluctant Hero Jon has to be provided with everything on a silver platter of plot armor to preserve his nobility. His story arc probably ends with him refusing to be king, no matter how much everyone begs him to be, then killing himself to save the world.


Edited, May 2nd 2013 10:58am by Smasharoo
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Gonna have to go with Smash on this one.



Sansa stands atop a pile of bodies 3 stories tall, a kitchen knife in hand. The entire world is on fire.

"I....I just wanted to be a princess." she stammers.



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Okay you don't like Jon. That's fine. But you could put anything that happens past the 2nd book/season 2 in spoiler tags. Not everyone here is at the end of book 5 already...

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Loner outsider with no real friends: Check <- Not true. He had Robb and to a lesser degree because of the age difference Bran. In the Nightwatch he has plenty of friends. Grenn, Pyp, the fat one.
Great warrior: Check <- Because he received intensive training his whole life by Ned Stark and the white bearded fellow. I don't think he's superior to Robb in that respect. And he would not stand a chance against Jaime (with both hands), the Red Viper, one of the Cleganes or someone other in their league.
Borderline manga style super pet: Albino dire-wolf? Really, George?: Check <- A trait he shares with all his 'siblings'. The albino part is a bit over the top but at least it makes sense stoywise.
Virgin who's awesome at *** almost immediately: Check <- Okay that was ridiculous.
Magical powers?: Check <- Shared with his siblings again. And he's not even close to Bran.
Daddy issues: Check <- Comes with being a *******/adopted.
Born leader: Check<- Again that is due to his uprising. He is not a better leader than Robb.
So beloved by his friends that they engineer a way for him to be Lord Commander of the Night's Watch, so he's not only granted a super-powerful position, he remains humble by not dirtying his hands manipulating the process: Check <- A bit of a stretch, yes.
'Revolutionary' ideas that are idiotically simple:"Borrow money instead of starving to death, maybe?" "Jon, you're a genius!" <- Can't comment on that one. Maybe it was this retarded. Maybe Bowen Marsh would have done the same but never got the chance.
Wins over savages to the white man's grace by "understanding" their customs and beliefs almost instantly: Check <- Most of them don't really like him. Only the ones that know him from the time he spent with them. He just was in a position to dictate them how it's gonna be.
Slays undead: Check <- He's not the only one. Even the fat one kills one of the Others und thus earnes his title Slayer.
Defeats a vastly larger force with moronic techniques and "strategy" with a large dash of deus ex machina at the last minute?: Check <- He pretty much did what anyone in this position would have done. And it was enough to hold the enemy at bay long enough. Don't see a problem here.


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I think you just perfectly outlined why I think he should die Smiley: glare
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But you could put anything that happens past the 2nd book/season 2 in spoiler tags.

Sure.

Not everyone here is at the end of book 5 already...

Sounds like THEIR problem, not mine. Also, let's be realistic. There are about 9 people in the world who don't know that Robb is betrayed and killed in a vicious fashion by Roose Bolton at Edmure's wedding, or that Cat also dies but is resurrected by Thoros when Dondarrian sacrifices his life to bring her to life If these people exist, they shouldn't read internet forums about the show. They shouldn't read the comments in episode recaps, etc. I'm not out to "spoil" anyone's experience, but I'm also not going to go through a cumbersome process to "protect" it. Read the fucking books. Or don't, I don't care. If you don't want to know what happens in future books, avoid places where that might happen. Relying on others not to "spoil" it for you is a guarantee that it will be. Which is probably what most people want, anyway.

Also, Arrya kills Sansa in tWoW. You're welcome.


Edit: I changed my mind, it's not the Asylum, I guess.

Edited, May 2nd 2013 10:56am by Smasharoo
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Smasharoo wrote:
Gratuitous spoilers


Smasharoo wrote:
I'm not out to "spoil" anyone's experience



Sure you aren't, hon.

Sure.
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Sure you aren't, hon.

You convinced me. Seriously though, if you think there's *anyone* reading this that doesn't immediately click on the "spoiler" tag, you're delusional.
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Sure you aren't, hon.

You convinced me. Seriously though, if you think there's *anyone* reading this that doesn't immediately click on the "spoiler" tag, you're delusional.


Mmm. I went through the entirety of the Bioshock Infinite thread here without clicking a one until I made it through the game. I can only speak for myself, but I doubt I'm some special beacon of self-restraint. I ate a cinnabon this morning, after all.

But let's focus on your schadenfreude, eh?
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Compare Dany tropes to JS...

Ungodly beautiful
Heir to the throne
abused by family
turns her barbarian husband into a softy after she teaches him how to have amazing *** (as a virgin)
Hatches dragons
Lives thorugh fire
Survives dehydration, starvation and chiggers
gets oral *** from her bffs whenever she feels pouty
has deposed knights following her around
defeats the Warlocks with ease
Secures thousands of fighting slaves

I've envisioned the end-game as JS and DT at the wall fighting off the white-walkers with dragon fire and dragon glass while Tyrion and Sansa get the kingdoms in order and provide assistance. If Tyrion lives he'll end up at the wall for some reason or another.

Arya and the Hound will help and protect Bran and Co while they journey into the wild to find some secret thingy or another that will stop/kill the evil-boss.


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Okay you don't like Jon.

I like him fine, I also know what he is. He's an archetype. He's not written for me, he's written for other personality types, but he's FULLY plot armored. Arrya and Tyrion and written for me. They also have no chance of dying anytime soon. Brianne is written for female readers, she can't die, soon either. When she was "hung" I laughed. They're all broad archetypes, it's a pop novel. If it was really striving to be more "realistic" Tywin would engineer everyone's death and laugh about it without consequence, and no one would read the ensuing 90 page novella. This isn't a Don DeLillo novel, it's melodrama. I enjoy melodrama, but I don't have to pretend it's brave or groundbreaking. It's well executed. It's not "The Wheel of Time" or Goodkind or whatever other sh*tty Tolkien ripoff series of the moment people are reading. It makes use of broad Western myths and European history as templates for what's obviously a soap opera. I like it. I tell people who like genre fantasy that they should read it. Pretending that Martin defies convention and tropes is the highest form of fantasy, however.

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Mmm. I went through the entirety of the Bioshock Infinite thread here without clicking a one until I made it through the game. I can only speak for myself, but I doubt I'm some special beacon of self-restraint.


You can see how that's distinct from someone playing that game 16 years from now still avoiding them, right?
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I'm particularly interested in the dynamic between the fire god and the "cold" elements. Both seem to have a fairly obvious "evil" component, and though Dany w/ her dragons seem like a benevolent embodiment of the fire side, I'm not so sure that a benevolent "cold" force won't manifest, too.

Mostly, I don't think this will ultimately boil down to a straightforward "forces of fire/good vs. forces of cold/evil" kind of arrangement.
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Compare Dany tropes to JS...

Yeah, she's also an archetype, and poorly, poorly, written. I actively dislike her character, I don't think that was the author's intent.

I've envisioned the end-game as JS and DT at the wall fighting off the white-walkers with dragon fire and dragon glass while Tyrion and Sansa get the kingdoms in order and provide assistance. If Tyrion lives he'll end up at the wall for some reason or another.


There's not going to be a wall, don't be silly. There's not a bigger Checkov's Gun in the series than the wall coming down. Without that, all of the magic stuff is meaningless to the story in any real way.



Arya and the Hound will help and protect Bran and Co while they journey into the wild to find some secret thingy or another that will stop/kill the evil-boss.


Someone has to be Frodo, at some point. It's not completely clear at the moment if it's the deep North that's Mordor or if it's Valaryia. Possibly both. The North is the safer bet, of course. Benjen returns with yadda yadda MacGuffin and someone has to go destroy/sacraftice himself, whatever somewhere in the far North. Probably Rickon.
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I'm particularly interested in the dynamic between the fire god and the "cold" elements. Both seem to have a fairly obvious "evil" component, and though Dany w/ her dragons seem like a benevolent embodiment of the fire side

She's going to go mad, pretty obviously. There's zero chance this series ends without her demonstrating "power corrupts, absolute power corrupts absolutely" as a morality play.
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I'm particularly interested in the dynamic between the fire god and the "cold" elements. Both seem to have a fairly obvious "evil" component, and though Dany w/ her dragons seem like a benevolent embodiment of the fire side

She's going to go mad, pretty obviously. There's zero chance this series ends without her demonstrating "power corrupts, absolute power corrupts absolutely" as a morality play.


Yeah, I think that's definitely in play. The great literary irony of Dany being on the wrong end of one of those infamous Targaryean "coil flips".

What characters do you like, Smash?
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Here's a question:

If the unsullied are touched by ice and turned into white-walkers, would they still feel compelled to 'obey' their master? (I know technically Dany's unsullied are not slaves anymore but perhaps mortal death would cause their slave training to resurface)
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