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#1 Oct 30 2012 at 4:34 PM Rating: Excellent
Is now going to be a thing.

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#2 Oct 30 2012 at 5:13 PM Rating: Good
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“In 2015, we’re planning to release Star Wars Episode 7 – the first feature film under the ‘Disney-Lucasfilm’ brand,” Iger said. “That will be followed by Episodes 8 and 9 – and our long term plan is to release a new Star Wars feature film every two to three years.”


Star Wars is now the CoD of movies Smiley: disappointed

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“In 2015, we’re planning to release Star Wars Episode 7 – the first feature film under the ‘Disney-Lucasfilm’ brand,” Iger said. “That will be followed by Episodes 8 and 9 – and our long term plan is to release a new Star Wars feature film every two to three years.”


Star Wars is now has been the CoD of movies for quite some time. Smiley: disappointed

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#4 Oct 31 2012 at 7:51 AM Rating: Excellent
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This will finally give them the opportunity to show Jar Jar taking over the Millennium Falcon and getting an assist from Wicket in the Chewbacca role.

I'm all for it.
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#5 Oct 31 2012 at 7:59 AM Rating: Good
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Hey, if they're willing to change the terrible plot line that follows the original trilogy (Basically, repeat the original story, but replace Vader with Luke and Luke with his son), then I can accept it...
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idiggory, King of Bards wrote:
Hey, if they're willing to change the terrible plot line that follows the original trilogy (Basically, repeat the original story, but replace Vader with Luke and Luke with his son), then I can accept it...


That's not till 20-30 years later in the EU.
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#7 Oct 31 2012 at 8:45 AM Rating: Good
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Yeah, but nothing all that interesting happens in the meantime. Just fighting the struggling Empire run by the various Grand Moffs that seized power.

Unfortunately, because of casting, they're probably just going to skip anything concerning Luke/Leia/Han, so no rewrite for me. :(

I'm betting Episode 7 will pick up with Cade Skywalker or be an Old Republic prequel.
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That's not till 20-30 years later in the EU.
In the not too distant future.

Maybe Sunday, AD.
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#9 Oct 31 2012 at 9:11 AM Rating: Good
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idiggory, King of Bards wrote:
Yeah, but nothing all that interesting happens in the meantime. Just fighting the struggling Empire run by the various Grand Moffs that seized power.


What about the war against the bug people, or the plant people? Maybe they'll do the next trilogy based on the Young Jedi Knights books. Smiley: rolleyes
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#10 Oct 31 2012 at 9:24 PM Rating: Good
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Apparently, Disney said the existing EU is now AU, and they'll be writing an all new canon.

I'm okay with that for the post-trilogy stuff, but not for the earlier stuff.
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idiggory, King of Bards wrote:
Apparently, Disney said the existing EU is now AU, and they'll be writing an all new canon.

I'm okay with that for the post-trilogy stuff, but not for the earlier stuff.


Technically everything after RotJ is post-trilogy.
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Post trilogy in the timeline, not with regards to release.
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idiggory, King of Bards wrote:
Post trilogy in the timeline, not with regards to release.


So after "The Last Command" then? I refuse to accept the "Jedi Academy" trilogy, "Black Fleet Crisis" trilogy, and "Corellian Trilogy" trilogy? as suitable cut off points for the EU.

Unless I overlooked something "The Corellian Trilogy" is the last actual trilogy in the EU, after it comes the megacluster@#%^ storylines.

Edit: Yup, missed "The Dark Nest" trilogy.

P.S. Yes I know I'm being a dick.

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#14 Oct 31 2012 at 10:54 PM Rating: Good
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No, as in, the two trilogy movies are being used to create a new EU. Everything else is now AU, unless otherwise specified. So new canon now ends in 4 ABY (and, I suppose, begins 32 BBY).

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Er, that should be movie trilogies...

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Kevin J. "I can't write my way out of a paper bag and i'm a scientologist" Anderson should be shot, drawn and quartered, flogged, burned alive, resurected then boiled in paprika for his crimes against literature in the star wars arena. That is all. That and Vonda N macentyre. Oh and moonsquisher gets an honorable firing squad while we're at it.

Timothy Zahn and Mike stackpoole are the only two that still get to write for star wars. And maybe alan dean foster since his early star wars novel wasn't horrible aside from being completely out of sync with episode 6.
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Barbara Hambly really disappointed me with her book. Smiley: disappointed
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Hey man, I liked the Young Jedi Knights series when I was like 11.
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Timothy Zahn and Mike stackpoole are the only two that still get to write for star wars. And maybe alan dean foster since his early star wars novel wasn't horrible aside from being completely out of sync with episode 6.


I really wanted Karen Traviss to finish the Republic Commando series, but fking Lucas said no.
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And maybe alan dean foster since his early star wars novel wasn't horrible aside from being completely out of sync with episode 6.


And the big heaps of brother/sister love!
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A complete and total remake of episodes 1-3 without Hayden Christenson, and an Anakin who isn't written as a whiny piece of crap would be welcome as well.

I really don't even get why anyone thought episode 1 was a good idea. Everything important from it could have been delivered in a few short flashbacks at the beginning of the movie, then the rest could have been Obi-Wan and Anakin kicking ass and taking names.

Episode 2, the stress of war has clearly been weighing on Anakin's mind, and he begins to cut corners. Introduce Padme as a love interest he hasn't creepily had since he was 10, and make it less of a high school romance--something passionate.

Episode 3, a realistic, believable crisis point that leads to Anakin making an understandable, but wrong, choice in the search for the greater good.


What we got instead? Episode 1-- Terrible child actor makes everyone hate the main character, mediocre plot line does nothing to help, Jar Jar ruins everything left.
Epiosde 2-- Terrible adult actor makes everyone hate the main character even more. Overall plot is fine, but personal plot line for Anakin, and Anakin/Padme, SUCKS.
Episode 3-- Plot, what plot? In reality, next to nothing even happens in this movie. Anakin kills Dooku and then Order 66 is issued, cue final (and albeit awesome) lightsaber duels with Obi Wan and Yoda. But that's it. The Greivous plot thread failed hard, because no one engaged with the EU stuff that introduced his character, and he just wasn't that interesting anyway.

Not to mention the fact that the Seperatist issue was so downplayed in the first movie, and that the main enemy in the third was a droid army, that nothing ever made any sense...

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Timothy Zahn and Mike stackpoole are the only two that still get to write for star wars. And maybe alan dean foster since his early star wars novel wasn't horrible aside from being completely out of sync with episode 6.



Make that his crimes against literature, period. You must have read his Dune books too?

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I found out one reason why Anderson's writing is so repetitive. He doesn't write, per se; he dictates into a recorder, and a transcriber turns it into a written work for him.

It's just a grave injustice against decent sci fi writers everywhere that he's rich and they're not. Smiley: mad
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A complete and total remake of episodes 1-3 without Hayden Christenson, and an Anakin who isn't written as a whiny piece of crap would be welcome as well.


Seriously. Watch Episode IV without fan-tinted glasses sometime. Mark Hamil's Luke is much more annoyingly whiny than Anakin (by either actor).

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I suspect that had more to do with being able to present this as a family oriented series of films. You can get away with a lot more when it's clones fighting droids. We can assume that there are larger separatist forces involved, but this gave them a way to show Jedi chopping through bad guys without racking up a body count in the thousands. It also makes the scenes where they do kill actual people more powerful. Like it or not, it wasn't a bad move from a screenwriting point of view.
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I never said Luke wasn't annoying. [:puzzled:][:puzzled:][:puzzled:]

In episode IV, he's definitely annoying. I never imagined he wasn't supposed to be. But, for Luke, it was excusable. He was a young farmhand stuck at home, who dreamed of the stars, but then got tossed into the center of a galactic conflict that was way over his head. Honestly, the only times he really irritates me is when he does that "I guess that's what you're good at" line to Han.

Epiosde V, he's less annoying while serving as a soldier. Then he gets belligerent with Yoda and the entire audience hates him for being an idiot. Point is, that's exactly what we were supposed to feel. We were supposed to struggle with Luke's decision to go to Cloud City. We're supposed to be painfully aware of his imperfections, but his refusal to join Vader is supposed to give us hope. And it works well, imo.

Epiosde VI, meh. This has always been my least favorite of the original trilogy. Luke doesn't really bother me until his confrontation with the emperor or, as I like to call it, the "daddy issues" scene. But now he's annoying in a holier-than-thou kind of way.

The thing he never seems as, though, is someone who is whining for no reason whatsoever, whose whining makes him so unlikable at the foundation. At the beginning of the trilogy, he whines for reasons everyone can sympathize with, which makes it less of an issue.


That's not the case with Anakin at all. I don't actually hate his writing in Phantom Menace, but you take a MASSIVE risk in trying to make a child actor appeal to a larger audience. And let's face it, the kid wasn't Haley Joel Osment or Dakota Fanning.

Episode II? Not so much. Anakin begins whining and it's so hard to relate to him, both because of the writing itself and the poor acting of Hayden Christenson, that you can't sympathize. The scene where he pledges to find Padme's attacker is just painful. He goes so far out of his way to show off for her that he ends up looking pathetic, not heroic. The overacting during the mother scene was so bad that it became comedic. And the worst part is that they never really sell the only plot thread the audience can relate to--the forbidden love. They basically just state it, flat-out, on Naboo and then it isn't seriously revisited until it bursts through again towards the end of the movie, and they end up married. It's not sweet enough to be a love story, it's not intense enough to work as the setup for a tragedy. It just fell flat.

Episode III? Good lord. All Anakin does is show off or whine. His emotional turmoil before he kills Windu is another great example of overacting. And we still don't have any real character development between him and Padme, so she's pregnant and you practically have to remind yourself that Anakin's the father because the two seem practically unrelated.

It's bad to poor writing with a terrible actor. Half the times when Anakin is annoying the hell out of you, he clearly wasn't supposed to be. That wasn't the case with Luke. He was annoying precisely when he was supposed to be, and Hamill was generally hitting the key fairly well (a few cases of stretching it too far--he wasn't winning any acting awards, but it was still enjoyable).


As for the plot, my issue isn't with WHAT the armies were, or why they were the choices. My problem is the fact that they didn't properly establish them within the trilogy so the narrative from one to the next doesn't work if you aren't actively engaging with the EU. They never once give you a reason to care about Grievous in Episode 3, and you have no frickin' clue who he even is from the movie alone. They spent all that time establishing Dooku, and then tossed him aside in the first few minutes.

From a narrative point of view, from 1-3, it's atrocious.
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I still think you're being a bit selective in your responses to the characters and how they were played by their respective actors. Hamil's nasally whine is incredibly grating when watching Ep IV. And it's not just when it's appropriate to the character either. He whines about doing his chores. He whines about losing the droids. He whines about the cost of the flight on the Falcon. He whines about saving the princess. He whines pretty much constantly. Yes, it's absolutely about showing the character and how immature he really is. But frankly, it continues through EP V and VI as well. He switches between being whiny to pretending that he's mature. Again, that's part of his character development and we get that.

The point is that while also annoying (but slightly different) the character flaws of Anakin are intentional as well. To be honest though, I find Christenson's Anakin slightly less annoying than Hamil's Luke. That's obviously subjective, but I found his portrayal of the whiny kid constantly complaining about why the universe doesn't just hand him what he wants falling to the dark side a whole hell of a lot more believable than Hamil attempting to portray Luke's heroic decision to rise above such things (and far far less nasal).

Both actors are mediocre at best, and the characters they're portraying are intentionally cardboard cutout like. And perhaps if they were amazing actors they could have portrayed those characters better. But the problem is one of mass marketing. To get those characters emotions and changes exactly right would require a subtlety that might not work for most audience members. Let's not forget that the typical moviegoer has to be literally hit over the head with plot and character developments, or they wont understand what's going on. Overacting is required because if you don't, and you don't have a perfect performance from a top notch actor, you'll lose the audience.

Which is why I don't really put much weight in the whole "OMG! Christenson sucks as Anakin because of X, Y, Z". I really think Hamil was just as bad. We just remember his portrayal more fondly because for most of us the original films themselves are more a part of our childhood. I suspect that as time goes by and more people who watch the films watch them for the first time in Episode order, we'll start getting people who think Christenson's Anakin was far more interesting and better acted than Hamil's Luke. I just think that our current perspective really is heavily biased. When I watch the whole set of films in order, It's very jarring when going from Ep III to IV because of how whiny Luke is. I think that's because with Anakin we're introduced more gradually into the character. We have him as a kid, all excited and fun loving. Then we see him as an adult Jedi, full of bluster, but with some clear emotional problems developing. Then we see him totally lose it and become Vader. Go from that to Ep IV and Luke just seems like a total brat.


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As for the plot, my issue isn't with WHAT the armies were, or why they were the choices. My problem is the fact that they didn't properly establish them within the trilogy so the narrative from one to the next doesn't work if you aren't actively engaging with the EU. They never once give you a reason to care about Grievous in Episode 3, and you have no frickin' clue who he even is from the movie alone. They spent all that time establishing Dooku, and then tossed him aside in the first few minutes.

From a narrative point of view, from 1-3, it's atrocious.


Yeah. That was clearly marketing because of the clone wars stuff they'd done along the way. And I agree that it would have been better to have Dooku be the main bad guy though more of the episode, with his death at Anakin's hands being a pivotal point that pushes him to the dark side. As it is, it's still used to set it up, but it is kinda too early IMO. I think that part of it is that they needed to have a way to split up Anakin and Obi Wan for the full fall to happen, so they needed something for Obi Wan to deal with. And they also needed something significant enough to pull away and divide the Jedi enough so that their betrayal by the Emperor would be effective *and* so that the Jedi council could be destroyed by Anakin.

I can kinda see the problems that creates. You want Dooku's death instead of capture to be a key part of Anakin's fall, but you need a threat sufficient to pull Obi Wan away for the full fall. Have to kill Dooku before the second event, so you need someone else to be the main bad guy for Obi Wan so that he's not there during the fall, but fights with Vader *afterwards*. To be fair, the plot they came up with was far from the worst they could have used to accomplish all the elements they needed in the story.

And frankly, sometimes plot lines for films are written almost by committee. Like I said, I've seen lots worse. I actually think that Episode III edges out Episode VI in terms of cool factor (and lack of Ewoks). I guess I'm just much more able to overlook the actor in favor of the story/action than most. Let's not kid ourselves, the entire franchise is built on cookie cutter storylines. We watch them for the special effects. Star Wars didn't have lines of people around buildings waiting to watch it because it was the latest Citizen Kane. It had huge lines because of ground breaking special effects. The story was simplistic and the characters formulaic. So I never went into Episodes I to III expecting anything more, so I wasn't disappointed.

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I love the final duel. The most emotional fight scene in the original trilogy.
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J. J. Abrams will be directing it? Holy crap, lens flares incoming.

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Pretty cool.

Oh, great, there's an entire thread dedicated to this. Failure on my part.

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