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#27 Sep 24 2012 at 4:08 PM Rating: Good
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#28 Sep 24 2012 at 4:36 PM Rating: Good
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I was watching the season premiere of Haven Friday, and realized that I allow shows like Haven and Warehouse 13 a LOT of leeway in the "unbelievable" category, but shows like Revolution not nearly as much. I thought to myself "I'm being a bit unfair I guess".

But then I looked at the perceived genre or format of the shows, and a show like Revolution just comes off differently than shows like Haven and Warehouse 13. The format of those two just seems like it's supposed to be unbelievable. Revolution places itself in a more serious light, and things like this just stand out.
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#29 Sep 24 2012 at 9:08 PM Rating: Good
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It appears they are just going to run with it. I doubt anything will change about the premise now, we'll just have to accept it.
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Still going with my guess.
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#31 Sep 25 2012 at 5:51 PM Rating: Good
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I was watching the season premiere of Haven Friday, and realized that I allow shows like Haven and Warehouse 13 a LOT of leeway in the "unbelievable" category, but shows like Revolution not nearly as much. I thought to myself "I'm being a bit unfair I guess".


I think that suspension of disbelief works better when you build up to it and when the premise includes a real world with artifacts/troubles/whatever that change the rules temporarily in an area. It also helps when there's some level of consistency. In those other shows an artifact/trouble that stopped all electrical activity in an area would presumably kill anyone inside said area. They affect the world around them, but the basic rules are still the same.

Starting out the gate with a premise that seems pretty darn impossible, but with no more than a handwaved explanation isn't going to be received as well.

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But then I looked at the perceived genre or format of the shows, and a show like Revolution just comes off differently than shows like Haven and Warehouse 13. The format of those two just seems like it's supposed to be unbelievable. Revolution places itself in a more serious light, and things like this just stand out.


Precisely. In the other shows, we're not supposed to understand how artifacts or troubles "work", just that they do. They affect the world, but do not define it. In Revolution, we're supposed to accept some kind of global change to the rules of the world, but those new rules don't seem to behave in any consistent manner. It would be like if water no longer flowed downhill, but only in rivers. One would reasonably ask why it flows out of a cup or falls to the floor if poured out of a container, or still falls from the sky as rain, but magically sits there doing nothing once it's collected into a river. Doesn't make sense at all, right?


Despite this, I have a current working theory. The whole world is virtual and the folks running the simulation decided that they were bored of a modern industrial world and wanted something pre-industrial (or at least pre-electricity). They just programmed the simulation to not allow electrical devices to work and left things to run their course. However, some of the folks in the simulation had realized that they lived in a virtual world (or were players rather than NPCs?) and downloaded some code changes in advance that would allow them to make alterations to these new rules on a small scale.


Um... That's all I've got. It's the only thing that kinda makes sense and fits the facts so far. Not sure the "it's all an illusion" approach is super great, but there you have it. You heard it here first.
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#32 Sep 25 2012 at 10:48 PM Rating: Good
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I think there's something wrong when the only way you can pull off a plot hole successfully is to create a Matrix scenario.
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#33 Sep 26 2012 at 2:32 PM Rating: Good
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Well, the alternative is that some writers/producers in a spin session realized they really wanted to bank on the whole Hunger Games thing, and the entire back story is less important than merely having a post-apocalyptic world with a girl who hunts with a bow and a young buck who starts out as her enemy, but occasionally helps her out and then they eventually fall in love. Sadly, I'd like to think I was joking with that last sentence, but it's probably true. Sigh...
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#34 Oct 02 2012 at 2:05 PM Rating: Good
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Well now, apparently some additional magic allows bore loaded rifles to work, but cartridge rounds can't be reloaded. This apparently makes the latter rounds "rare". How rare? Less rare than bore loaded rifles. Wow. This just gets worse every week.

Also, apparently the entire US military just disappeared except for two guys. Strange, I know. Just don't think about it too much. Better yet, not at all.
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#35 Oct 02 2012 at 4:27 PM Rating: Good
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Well now, apparently some additional magic allows bore loaded rifles to work, but cartridge rounds can't be reloaded. This apparently makes the latter rounds "rare". How rare? Less rare than bore loaded rifles. Wow. This just gets worse every week.


Must be that what ever "technology" they need to pack and create shells is now inoperable. While the extent of my shell making experience has been shot gun shells, the technology used to make them is nothing more than a manually operated press machine. I'd imagine something similar works for rifle cartridges, and lead is not exactly a very hard to work with metal.

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Also, apparently the entire US military just disappeared except for two guys. Strange, I know. Just don't think about it too much. Better yet, not at all.


I did find it strange that Miles and Monroe were the only ones they showed around the base. I just assumed others were there, cause Monroe even makes a big stink about how if they leave they'd be deserters.

Problems aside, I'll continue to watch. It's peaked my interest enough to keep it on my DVR.
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#36 Oct 02 2012 at 7:08 PM Rating: Good
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What would be hard is finding primers but that makes it look even worse since need primers for the Black powder rifles. Really 5 mins on google would made this so much better.
#37 Oct 02 2012 at 7:20 PM Rating: Excellent
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fulminate of mercury requires liquid mercury (obtainable) and nitric acid. Mitric acid is the difficult part. But someone with a 18-19th century understanding of chemestry could manage it. making the percussion caps themselves requires a press and metal forming dies, easily made if we assume you also have a water powered or manually activated lathe for making cartridges. There are something on the order of 9,000 bullets for every human being currently on the planet though, so I'm thinking it would take a while to run out. At least in russia.
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Well now, apparently some additional magic allows bore loaded rifles to work, but cartridge rounds can't be reloaded. This apparently makes the latter rounds "rare". How rare? Less rare than bore loaded rifles. Wow. This just gets worse every week.


Must be that what ever "technology" they need to pack and create shells is now inoperable. While the extent of my shell making experience has been shot gun shells, the technology used to make them is nothing more than a manually operated press machine. I'd imagine something similar works for rifle cartridges, and lead is not exactly a very hard to work with metal.


The cartridge shells themselves are trivially easy. You could make them if you wanted, but with 100,000,000 times as many shells in the US than the likely population 15 years after said disaster, the idea that there would be any real problem with reloading as many as needed is somewhat absurd. Actually more than somewhat absurd. The only even vaguely difficult issue would be the primer caps. Again assuming that you wouldn't have millions of these things out there sitting on shelves in gun stores all over the place, it's not much harder to mix the chemicals needed for those as to make the powder itself.


Let's not forget that the woman they picked up is an expert in chemicals and explosives. So those work (quite well) and apparently it's not that hard to find the materials to make pretty much anything you'd need (or I suppose whatever the plot required). The other point I was making is that they were shown using bore loaded rifles. Do you know how few there are in the US? The idea that cartridges for bolt action, revolver, or automatic weapons are so rare that they'd switch to using bore loaded rifles is ridiculous. You could find the materials to make or reload a million cartridge rounds easier than you could make or find the 50 bore loading rifles shown in the episode.

There is no reason other than bad writing for that. I mean, if they just said that cartridge weapons didn't work (ie: my matrix theory is true and the simulation doesn't allow them for some reason), that would allow a possible way to maintain logical consistency. But they clearly do work. So why the hell isn't everyone using them? I can only imagine it's because some idiot writer/producer wanted to see civil war type militias marching around with single shot bore loaded rifles to make it feel like they've really dropped in tech. Gah! It's just terrible.

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Also, apparently the entire US military just disappeared except for two guys. Strange, I know. Just don't think about it too much. Better yet, not at all.


I did find it strange that Miles and Monroe were the only ones they showed around the base. I just assumed others were there, cause Monroe even makes a big stink about how if they leave they'd be deserters.


That wasn't really what I was going after. Where's the military in the areas they're traveling through? Assuming that they somehow continue marching towards Chicago rescuing people along the way and forming the core of this eventual militia, shouldn't they arrive to find a US military base somewhere nearby, with vastly more weapons and folks who outrank them? First off, the idea that 8 weeks after the blackout, they'd be sitting around bored because they're waiting for orders is moronic. The military would be out dealing with the massive violence and riots that would have to accompany such an event. 8 weeks later, probably half the US population would be dead (would have to since there isn't enough food in the areas with the highest populations), and every military base would have become the last points of semi civilization (enough supplies and people and weapons to defend them). They'd be hip deep in daily action, not sitting around waiting for orders.


And this would be the case where they arrive as well. How do a couple of non-coms end out running the entire territory with their militia? Now maybe they've got some explanation about this, but I'm betting they just pretend that the entire US military just vanished. They'll arrive in Chicago, find complete lawlessness and decide that they have to put a stop to it. And they'll be the only ones to do it. Again, where's the military? If they're there then those two would end out absorbed into a larger organization and be no where near the top. If there isn't any military then where did they go? Poof?

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Problems aside, I'll continue to watch. It's peaked my interest enough to keep it on my DVR.


At this point I'm continuing to watch just to see how horrifically bad it can get. So far they've managed to exceed my worse predictions each week. It's like someone made a bet with Abrams to see if he could pitch a show to a network based on the intention to make it as unbelievable as possible and they let him do it. Probably thought it was artistic or something.

It's not even of the "so bad it's good" variety. It's just bad.
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#39 Oct 03 2012 at 10:34 PM Rating: Excellent
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I don't watch TV, movies, or anything to find reality. I have enough of that. So, there's no power except for the power that comes out of ugly necklaces. So, some guns fire but engines don't. So. IT'S A TV SHOW. I really don't care about the reality of it, just that it's entertaining.

You guys obviously are between video games. Find one. NOW.
#40 Oct 04 2012 at 3:46 PM Rating: Good
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I don't watch TV, movies, or anything to find reality. I have enough of that. So, there's no power except for the power that comes out of ugly necklaces. So, some guns fire but engines don't. So. IT'S A TV SHOW. I really don't care about the reality of it, just that it's entertaining.

It's not about how realistic it is. It's about how believable it is. Even if the setting is fantastic you still have to make me believe that events could really play out that way if it was real. Revolution doesn't do that.
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I don't watch TV, movies, or anything to find reality. I have enough of that. So, there's no power except for the power that comes out of ugly necklaces. So, some guns fire but engines don't. So. IT'S A TV SHOW. I really don't care about the reality of it, just that it's entertaining.


If the premise was that they all got transported to Narnia and the rules are different, that would be one thing. But the premise is that something happened to the otherwise real world just like the one we live in that made some change that affected electronic devices. I don't think it's unreasonable to expect that said change make some kind of sense and be consistent. Even if it's just some magic that prevents anything invented after 1850 from working that would be ok. But then they need to be consistent. So far, I've seen nothing remotely consistent. Chemical girl is whipping up advanced explosive compounds in one scene, then the rarity of cartridge ammunition forces a whole unit of soldiers to fight using muzzle loaded rifles in the next. If the first is possible then the second is completely unnecessary (and stupid as hell).

Of course, it's entirely possible that the reason really is just stupidity and not resources. After all, the commander of that unit, upon facing a single person with a bolt action rifle on a roof, makes what has to be the absolutely most idiotic military command decision in the history of the universe. That one is just completely unexplainable.
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After all, the commander of that unit, upon facing a single person with a bolt action rifle on a roof, makes what has to be the absolutely most idiotic military command decision in the history of the universe. That one is just completely unexplainable.


He was consulted by Zapp Brannigan on that one.
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They added (are adding?) steam engines. But I think they are not doing it for any reason other than to have a train in the next episode (gotta ride up along side it on a horse!). They did mention that the Militias destroyed the steam boats. Killed off a "main" character.
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