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#1 Sep 06 2012 at 9:50 AM Rating: Good
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Two new series for the fall TV slate that, to my eye, both look promising.

Perception stars Eric McCormick as a neuropsychiatrist (with some neuroses of his own) who assists the FBI. It has already had 2 episodes, although I haven't got to watch either. I did DVR them and will watch them as soon as I finish this season of Suits.

The other show, Elementary, is a modernization of Sherlock Holmes. Personally, I'm a huge fan of anything to do with Sherlock Holmes, and this series has the added benefit of having Lucy Liu in every episode.

Either of these series on anybody's radar?
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#2 Sep 06 2012 at 9:57 AM Rating: Good
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I'm kind of curious just how Holmes like it'll be, so I'll probably try to check that out for a couple of episode. Not so much the Rule 63ing of Watson, but like the drug use and such.
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#3 Sep 06 2012 at 10:09 AM Rating: Good
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Yeah, I doubt you're gonna see him freebasing cocaine and whatnot. From the preview I saw it looks part crime procedural and part comedy. I'll give it a chance and if it sucks I'll cancel the DVRing of it.
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#4 Sep 06 2012 at 10:23 AM Rating: Good
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House was basically Sherlock with a doctor angle, so I don't see some kind of addictive less than legal personality flaw as an impossibility.
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Yeah I could totally see them alluding to some kind of drug addiction, but i doubt you'll see him actually using drugs on camera. It's going to be on CBS, after all. Maybe if it was on Fox or even USA it could be a little grittier.
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#6 Sep 06 2012 at 11:29 AM Rating: Good
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I'm torn about whether or not I want to watch Elementary, tbh. I'm not in love with the concept, but I love both the leads. Plus Sherlock Holmes is legit.

I just have to remember to go into it not expecting BBC Sherlock.
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#7 Sep 06 2012 at 4:55 PM Rating: Good
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I watched the first couple episodes of Perception. It was "ok". Just didn't hit any major chords with me. It just seemed like the hook they were using was all there was, and it would get boring pretty darn quick. Could be totally wrong of course, but that was just my impression.

I'm interested in Elementary. Like many others I tend to like Holmes stories and it'll be interesting how they do a modern retelling of it. Same deal though. I'll give it a few episodes and if it hasn't sucked me in, probably drop it. I'm not really in the market for new shows to watch, so something really has to catch my eye to get my DVR time.

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#8 Sep 07 2012 at 8:06 AM Rating: Good
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The only shows I even bother to DVR right now are Psych, White Collar, Suits, and The Glades. All of them are off-season shows so it would be nice for me to find something I enjoy watching that comes on during the normal programming season. I used to be a big fan of CSI:NY, but it got weird when Mac left the NYPD. I know he's back with them now, but they lost me with that story twist.
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#9 Sep 07 2012 at 9:10 AM Rating: Good
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The other show, Elementary, is a modernization of Sherlock Holmes. Personally, I'm a huge fan of anything to do with Sherlock Holmes, and this series has the added benefit of having Lucy Liu in every episode.
I'm curious about this one, but I doubt I'll be able to avoid constant comparisons with the BBC's Sherlock (much like I can't help but compare **** on Wheels to Deadwood).
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#10 Sep 07 2012 at 11:38 AM Rating: Good
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Yeah, part of the problem is that the BBC series is amazing so it's my new bar for all things Sherlock Holmes...
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#11 Sep 10 2012 at 10:52 AM Rating: Good
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I read a preview of Elementary that describes Holmes as a recovering drug addict with an S&M fetish. Apparently, Watson (Lucy Liu) is the doctor assigned to monitor him through his rehabilitation.

The only complaint the preview had was that the case he solves in the pilot is too easy and Holmesian investigation is pretty much unwarranted.
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#12 Sep 10 2012 at 12:20 PM Rating: Good
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I'm not sure how I feel about that. On the one hand, the drug addiction is actually a canonical aspect of Holmes' character. On the other, Holmes has always been a fairly asexual character--I'm not sure I like them adding a sexual fetish. Seems like complete overkill to me.

Or maybe they did it to establish a reason for his and Liu's relationship to be desexualized. Who knows.
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I'm not sure how I feel about that. On the one hand, the drug addiction is actually a canonical aspect of Holmes' character. On the other, Holmes has always been a fairly asexual character--I'm not sure I like them adding a sexual fetish. Seems like complete overkill to me.

Or maybe they did it to establish a reason for his and Liu's relationship to be desexualized. Who knows.


It sounds like this is going to be a bit of an "origins story", and the sexual fetish and the rehab are the reasons for Holmes and Watson to meet. Also, Holmes wasn't exactly asexual, he just felt that most women were beneath him until he met that one woman who outsmarted him, sorry I can't remember her name.
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#14 Sep 10 2012 at 8:49 PM Rating: Good
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Irene Adler. But their relationship was never sexual in the books. And Watson goes out of his way to clarify that Sherlock never loved her (the exact quote, since I have the book on my phone, is "It was not that he felt any emotion akin to love for Irene Adler. All emotions, and that one particularly, were abhorrent to his cold, precise but admirably balanced mind." As far as I can remember, there was definitely no indication of attraction on an emotional or sexual level for her from Sherlock. She certainly fascinated him, but that was the most we get.

Of course, the books were also written a century ago, so it's possible that the emotional side was nonexistent and Doyle wasn't willing to publish anything really alluding to Sherlock's sexuality. Still, they dwell on how Sherlock was disgusted by the "softer passions." Whether or not lovemaking in a physical sense was included in that is up to interpretation, I suppose.
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Being older and worldlier now, I'm pretty certain that there is a big whopping homosexual subtext to Holmes' and Watson's relationship. I believe the canon that Holmes is asexual, and no more in love or sexually attracted to Watson than he is to any other person, man or woman. But if the Sherlock stories were set today, it would be clear that Holmes' and Watson's primary personal relationship in life is to each other. They live together for years. Watson falls in love with a woman, marries her, moves in with her, then shortly separates from her and moves back in with Holmes; where the two of them then settle back down together in perpetuity.

I think two cases could be made strongly: either the homosexuality is there in the originals, but is subtexted because of the laws and morals of the time it was written in. Or their relationship IS sexless, but it is strongly emotional on Watson's side, and on Holmes' side Watson is as important a person to him as any person is possibly important to him. While not emotionally attached per se to Watson, he knows his life would be diminished without him in it. No matter how much he teases and insults him.
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I often see Sherlock Holmes and John Watson referred to as heterosexual life partners. Smiley: lol
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I never felt anything about a homosexual relationship between Holmes and Watson. Maybe it was because Watson was married twice and was always falling for the pretty girls in the cases. I also think Holmes was asexual because for him, he needed to find a woman that was his intellectual equal. He finally found that in Irene Adler, but she was a criminal, which is something Holmes would never abide. Knowing he would never find a good woman who was his intellectual eqyual, he voluntarily removed himself from the relationship rat race.
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#18 Sep 12 2012 at 9:44 AM Rating: Good
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It's definitely not an uncommon interpretation of the books, but I think it's generally a non-sexual attraction in those theories.

It's more like Holmes and Watson are meant to be partners, and EVERY other relationship becomes secondary to that. And because of their personalities, it means it's impossible for Watson to keep a meaningful relationship (indeed, his second wife is never even named). And they both get jealous when they get close to others (women, really).

I don't think their relationship is sexual. But asexual people can still experience romantic love, so I won't rule that out. If anything, I'm inclined to say that Holmes was an asexual in love with Watson, and Watson was a heterosexual man who fell in love with Sherlock. I think they love each other, and it's definitely platonic. The only question is if its platonic in the sense of friendship, or in the sense of romance. But I don't think the answer really makes any difference, because at the end of the day their relationship is unique to them, and the other always comes first in their minds. It's more like we're trying to figure out which relationship we lesser mortals could best understand Sherlock Holmes through.
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#19 Sep 27 2012 at 9:05 PM Rating: Good
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So Elementary just ended. It's like a serious business Psych, if anyone is familiar with that show. "Generic drugs" was kind of annoying. He's too wired for it to be pot, and in too good of shape to be meth or coke. I feel the writers went to pretty ridiculous lengths to create the crimes and clues, which is kind of par for the course for these shows, but I felt they went even further than the norm. He also predicted that the Mets would lose, which completely destroyed any sense that he was intelligent in any way. I mean, predicting the Mets will lose is like predicting that a door is used to enter and exit a room.

If it goes three seasons, he and Watson will hook up, and break up at the end of the following season.

I wasn't all that impressed overall, but it's a pilot so, eh. Guess I can give it a few more episodes.
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So Elementary just ended. It's like a serious business Psych, if anyone is familiar with that show. "Generic drugs" was kind of annoying. He's too wired for it to be pot, and in too good of shape to be meth or coke. I feel the writers went to pretty ridiculous lengths to create the crimes and clues, which is kind of par for the course for these shows, but I felt they went even further than the norm. He also predicted that the Mets would lose, which completely destroyed any sense that he was intelligent in any way. I mean, predicting the Mets will lose is like predicting that a door is used to enter and exit a room.

If it goes three seasons, he and Watson will hook up, and break up at the end of the following season.


And the season after that, they'll wake up and realize it was all just a dream (or drug induced hallucination). It's like storytelling gold!
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I "watched" Elementary (really just listened in the background as I played Guild Wars 2). It wasn't really grabbing my attention. Today I watched the recording, and for some reason it really pulled me in where as it didn't when I watched it originally.

I'll be giving it a shot.
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#22 Oct 08 2012 at 12:08 PM Rating: Good
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I tried watching the second episode, and I just couldn't. I'm not sure what it is, but it just doesn't capture my attention.
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#23 Oct 08 2012 at 5:23 PM Rating: Good
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I thought it was pretty fun to watch.

I enjoy the House-esque character. As he quietly gets up and burns his violin while Watson is on the phone with her Ex.
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#24 Oct 12 2012 at 11:10 AM Rating: Good
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I think both shows star House-esque characters. Both are flawed geniuses in their field. I like Elementary more than Perception, and since I have limited DVR space, I've stopped recording Perception. There's little chance I'll watch it when it comes on, since it airs opposite Monday Night Football and Monday Night Raw.
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#25 Oct 18 2012 at 8:40 PM Rating: Good
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I'm watching it at this minute, and it looks like his hair doesn't fit his head.
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Anyone decide to stick with it and watch Elementary?
Last weeks episode they dropped the "M" name.

I never seem to catch it when it airs though, cause I usually forget and end up going to bed.
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I stopped watching when it conflicted with Burn Notice.
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