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#1 Jun 26 2012 at 7:53 PM Rating: Good
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A couple years ago (or so) I created a thread here about a manhwa called Tower of God.

Since then it's kept going, and it has begun a second "Season". It's been pretty good, weekly releases. So far I think there are 100 "Chapters"

You can read it here (download only, I think the online reader was broken for the early chapters when the translators changed their name and relocated their website)
http://www.thcmpny.com/426/tower-of-god-ch1/

Edit:
Turns out it seems they lifted the ban on Mangafox carrying the new chapters. Used to be there was an arguement between the two, and it wasn't posted.
http://mangafox.me/manga/tower_of_god/

It's about a boy who enters a tower, trailing behind a girl he cares for. The tower is a huge competition to reach the top, the people who reach the top get their desires fulfilled. The tower is full of people who have already reached the top.

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Edited, Jul 2nd 2012 8:27pm by TirithRR
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#2 Jun 27 2012 at 6:23 AM Rating: Excellent
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I think I read the first 50 or so chapters. I remembered liking it, but hating the wait for new ones to come out. Perhaps I should go back and see what's new.

When it comes to Manhwa, Sun-Ken Rock is my favorite. That is technically Manhwa, right? It's a close thing, as Boichi is Korean, but works in Japan.

I tend to find a lot of the manhwa coming out to be more interesting than manga. Although a lot of the stories suck too (looking at you, Love in the Mask).
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#3 Jun 30 2012 at 8:08 PM Rating: Good
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I've tried reading a few others, but haven't found any that caught my interest like Tower of God. The second season is quite a bit different than the first. I didn't realize it until I went back and glossed over the first chapters when I was posting this topic. The whole thing has a different feel once BAAM becomes a BAMF. Today the 21st chapter came out and it ended an arc. It will be interesting to see where they go next. Unfortunately next week's is an epilogue and the following week is a break, so it will be a bit before the story moves.

Hard to think it's been 5 months reading this new season.. It definitely doesn't feel like it was that long ago that it started.
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#4 Jul 01 2012 at 12:51 AM Rating: Good
I read through all of it in a couple of days. It was ok, the art gradually becoming better over the course of the series, but either because of the translation or just because of the way it was written, I feel like there's a lot I'm missing.

Whether that's on purpose or not, idk, but if it's purposeful Lindorf-esque mystery for mystery's sake, I am disappoint.
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#5 Jul 01 2012 at 6:20 AM Rating: Good
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I'd probably be able to answer if I knew what the "lindorf-esque" mystery was.

The author has a lot of stuff explained in blog styled posts, etc. I have not read most of them. So far there are a lot of questions but nothing so glaring that it distracts me from anything. Ya, I'm curious what happened between the first and second seasons, but not so much that it causes a problem.
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#6 Jul 01 2012 at 7:49 AM Rating: Good
Damon Lindorf is the writer of Lost & Prometheus & is somewhat notorious for inserting mystery just for mystery's sake, rediculous uses of flashbacks, & dropping plot points & characters between seasons while subsequentlt compounding this by introducing new characters.

How can Baam be an uber-powerful regular if the tower chose him to enter & not Lahel? He wouldn't be an irregular, nor have super-duper powers: Lahel would.


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Omegavegeta wrote:
How can Baam be an uber-powerful regular if the tower chose him to enter & not Lahel? He wouldn't be an irregular, nor have super-duper powers: Lahel would.


I don't think there is anything actually special about Irregulars in general. Like Leroro said when he first met Baam. The only reason everyone hates and fears irregulars is because of the previous irregulars who have entered the tower. They were horribly powerful beings. (I think because they had been powerful enough to open the doors to the tower without the tower wanting them). In the case of Baam and Lahel, they were both at the door at the same time when it opened for one or the other. Which ever one is the irregular doesn't have to be super powerful since they just piggy backed on the other's entrance. Baam is now very powerful because of his connections to FUG (and what ever demon now lives inside of him). Edit: Baam did have natural talent, but was no where near as strong before he met and joined FUG after being betrayed by Lahel. I'm curious what's inside of him (the red skeletal demon that repaired him after that small bomb exploded inside his mouth). If I understood the latest chapter correctly, what ever true devil exists in that big guy who beat up Rapdevil is afraid of the demon that exists inside Baam.

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#8 Jul 02 2012 at 4:52 AM Rating: Good
Before the twist at the end of Season 1, like the 4 irregulars mentioned early on, Baam too is a "monster". Not just because of his abilities, but because he is thought to have opened the door himself. The twist changes that, and the bunny-thing that tests on the first floor flat out says that the tower chose Baam & NOT Lahel. The easy answer is that Lahel is an irregular, while Baam is just...something else- especially considering his origin. In fact, Lahel was probably a regular in the tower before she even started visiting Baam & has to be an irregular now since she climbed the tower without being chosen.

Unless the bunny-thing was lying.

Season two picks up with a lot of mystery considering the jump in time (& floors? Did season 2 start on 20? I don't get it) which isn't necessarily a bad thing, but the complete lack of the original supporting cast in season 2 is lame (Only the swordsman dude was mentioned as having lost a fight to the dude with the devil in his arm). Hopefully their fates are addressed.
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Baam is an Irregular. Only Irregulars can make deals with floor guardians directly (like he did near the end of part 1). It's understood near the end of part 1 that Lahel made a deal beyond the standard test with Headon (rabbit-looking fellow, also floor 1 Guardian) but I can't remember if the details behind her deal are clear or not. She'd be an Irregular as well. (Really Rachel, but I liked the early use of Lahel better and prefer to keep using it). King Zahard was an Irregular. He made a pact with all the Guardians and has been allowed to have his rankers administer tests to allow regulars to climb the tower without dealing with the Guardians directly. Irregulars are the original tower climbers I believe, and when Zahard made the new rules it allowed Regulars (the chosen) to start the climb rather than just Irregulars (the strong willed).

The concept of Irregular vs Regular is not well understood (at least for me). Likely due to the majority of the detail being explained in the story/explanations offered outside the releases themselves. As I understand it a Regular is someone chosen by Zahard's people or Headon. An Irregular is someone not directly chosen but who's will is strong enough to access the tower (like the climbers before/during Zahard). The tower itself doesn't fear or hate Irregulars, and by extension neither does Headon, but many of the inhabitants and rankers do because of people like Zahard and the other known Irregulars. Headon says Baam is worthy, but I don't think that means he is not an Irregular.

The story has its mysteries, but I don't think denouncing them as a "mystery for the sake of mystery" is not very fair. I think it would have been kind of a boring story if they had started right when the gal asks Baam to join FUG and continued from there rather than skipping ahead like it did. And while it would be nice to see what happened to the original crew from part 1, it's understandable that with everyone thinking Baam died, that he'd be left behind while they continued the climb. They are now two separate stories. Whether or not the author will decide to touch upon the status of the first crew beyond references or specific characters remains to be seen. I think the two princesses (Anak and Androssi) and Koon will definitely make appearances due to their status in the families. And the masked woman who invites Baam to join FUG. While I would like Rak to come back and play with his Turtles (chibi-Rak made for some decent comic relief), the others are "meh" in my mind. Not that I didn't like any of them, just that they aren't important to the story.

And Baam must be a hotty in the Tower of God universe. Powerful women seem to fall in love with him quite easily. (Androssi, Anak even, Yuri to an extent, the female spirit inhabiting Black March, the new fire lady Yeon has a thing for him as well).
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#10 Jul 03 2012 at 5:13 AM Rating: Good
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Baam is an Irregular.


Despite being chosen to enter?
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Omegavegeta wrote:
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Baam is an Irregular.


Despite being chosen to enter?


Again the Regular vs. Irregular definitions are flaky, either poorly defined or something lost in translation. Headon and/or Zahard didn't choose him. That's the best answer I can come up with. Baam can make deals with Guardians, that seems to be the best reason as to his Irregular status. But the terms Regular and Irregular are products of the Zahard ruling. The two categories didn't exist before Zahard came to rule the Tower. At least not in the sense they are used now. So it's possible that the tower itself choosing someone is not enough to be considered a Regular.

But that opens the door to the two categories not being mutually exclusive. That the Tower as a separate entity can choose to allow or not allow someone to enter, someone who the Tower chooses to allow in has the benefits of being able to communicate and deal directly with the Guardians, bypassing the Zahard rulers. It could be that the deal with Zahard and the Guardians makes it so once Zahard approves of a Regular to climb the tower, the Guardian and Tower no longer allow them to be "Irregulars". They have to follow the Regular path.
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Up to chapter 64 right now, and approaching where I left off last time. It's the wine glass/submerged fish hunting test. I don't remember how this ends, so I think I finished around chapter 70 before.

Kinda blows my mind that there are over 134 levels, and we're still on level 2 Smiley: lol Somehow feel the rest won't last that long... even though each level, according to notes, is about the size of the American continents.
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I think the author has stated that all the levels won't be shown (and has demonstrated such). It's mentioned that while each level has its tests, there are key levels that hold important or difficult tests. Floor 2 being one of the big ones. Likely because of the tests on it split the participants into the respective classes, trains them, and ranks their abilities.

Edit:
Today the epilogue came out. No really new developments came, but the author has said he is going to be linking part 1 and part 2 together starting in the next arc. And Koon is the first character (and apparently the author's least favorite...)

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In case anyone was interested, the next arc has started, and it's about the FUG and Baam/Viole. Latest translated release has Baam's new team meeting with the red hair FUG girl and a new guy, Baam's FUG mentor. It revealed a bit about what FUG wants with Baam, a little bit more about irregulars, and a bit about the strongest person to ever enter the tower, Phantaminum (the main reason people fear Irregulars).
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The afterward in the latest chapter kind of explains the Regular/Irregular selection a bit (notes and translations from the group and SIU).

http://www.batoto.net/read/_/134099/tower-of-god_v2_ch33_by_the-company

Basically says that to be a Regular, you have to be chosen by Headon. If you are not chosen by Headon, and you enter the tower, you are an Irregular. It also confirms that both Baam and Rachel are Irregulars

It goes on to kind of explain theories and applications of SIU's quotes. Stuff from the group doing the translation, but they have read the stuff posted on SIU's blog/website/whatever it's called.
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How many times are you going to necro this thread?
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Not much of a necro when it's half a screen down from the top... (And it's only twice so far)
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Don't necro my thread with your dirty advertising.

I'm still reading this, mostly out of habit. I like it, even if it's kind of hard to understand at times. Not sure if it's the writing or the translation.
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I started reading this about a month ago, and I've caught up to the current chapter. The only thing I have a problem understanding is whether or not 25th Night is an Irregular, or if the first floor Rabbit-thing Guardian was just screwing with the two of them. The translation that I read of the flashback had the Rabbit Guardian tell Rachel that Night was invited by the Tower, and she wasn't.

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I've been reading The Company's translations. I think at least one other exists but I am never in a big rush to have the newest chapter ASAP. I just read it when ever I find myself with free time.

I think the confusion about the regular vs irregular is more of a writing issue than a translation issue. Regular vs Irregular is an entirely made up concept. Made up by Zahard and the other residents of the tower is the present time. Before then, the tower chose people, or people forced themselves into the tower. I think most residents have forgotten that the tower is an entity, and it can still choose people beyond those chosen by the contracts made with Zahard (the Regulars). They still define them as Irregulars since they weren't Zahard-contract chosen. I think Baam was chosen by the tower itself. He didn't force himself into the tower like previous Irregulars.

I think it was Pandemonium who just appeared in the tower, killed a floor Guardian, and then left. He's pretty much the reason why people fear (or in FUGs case, revere) irregulars. Baam can make contracts with the Guardians, which is something that Zahard-Regulars cannot do. Likely because they are already in the tower under the Zahard-made contract with the Guardians. Rachel is an irregular as well, because she entered the tower without approval from Zahard, by piggybacking on Baam's entrance.

Baam didn't force the tower to let him in, the tower chose to let him in. Which I still think makes him an Irregular. Since Regular and Irregular are concepts created and defined by Zahard's contract, and not by the tower itself.
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