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#102 May 06 2012 at 5:18 AM Rating: Decent
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Question! Where the **** are Meera and Jojen Reed? Shouldn't they be turning up around now?


I hope I'm wrong cause I was looking forward to seeing Jojen and Meera but they should have been introduced by now so I'm guessing they've cut them out of the series and Osha will be the one to lead Bran.
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I thought Osha looked familiar. She's the woman in Harry Potter with the different colored hair.
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#105 May 06 2012 at 10:34 PM Rating: Good
We get it GoT, Wildling Woman will use their femine...er...wiles to get dudes to drop their guard. Although, they might have just done it as it was the only way they could get the chick that plays Osha to do full frontal before she goes off with the Stark lads, 'cause if they did it then it'd be creepy. Don't mind this change, honestly, as I think the actress that plays Osha makes TV Osha a better character than her book counterpart. I think they still might have to introduce Meera later on though, cause Bran's gotta have a love interest.
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#106 May 07 2012 at 7:14 AM Rating: Decent
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Question! Where the **** are Meera and Jojen Reed? Shouldn't they be turning up around now?


I hope I'm wrong cause I was looking forward to seeing Jojen and Meera but they should have been introduced by now so I'm guessing they've cut them out of the series and Osha will be the one to lead Bran.

This is what I mean about them taking liberties with the story. Who is going to take Rickon if she goes with Bran? They can't have Rickon go with them.
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Question! Where the **** are Meera and Jojen Reed? Shouldn't they be turning up around now?


I hope I'm wrong cause I was looking forward to seeing Jojen and Meera but they should have been introduced by now so I'm guessing they've cut them out of the series and Osha will be the one to lead Bran.

This is what I mean about them taking liberties with the story. Who is going to take Rickon if she goes with Bran? They can't have Rickon go with them.


They can't? Now, we still don't quite know how Bran's story is going to turn out in the books, but I see ways that they could shift things around to write Rickon into it. As is typically the case with these things, there are a lot of possible ways to do it.

Wasn't really crazy about this weeks episode. Danny's character is coming off as a bit too entitled and childish. Seems like a lot more so than in the books to me. I can't tell how much of it is intentional...some of the writing seems hackneyed, and the actress seems like she's having a hard time with some of the character's petulant-sounding speeches. The bit where she was demanding ships from that spice merchant was cringe-worthy. At least Xaro is well-realized.

The scene where the Lannisters & Co. get attacked in the streets was a bit confusing. We had trouble telling who was who. The woman getting ripped apart came off kind of comical, like a B-level zombie movie. But the Hound was badass. I always thought his scenes with Sansa were some of the most interesting parts of the books.

I like to pretend that Jaqen is being played by Brendan Frasier. It makes every scene with him like 2x as fun.

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#108 May 07 2012 at 9:19 AM Rating: Decent
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If Rickon goes with Bran, then that has ripple effects. For example the whole thing with Davos at Whiteharbor will have to be rewriten. I thought they (Jojen and Meera) were kind of integral to Bran's story. Particularly Jojen. It's just annoying, I really don't see any reason behind all the changes they are making.

I've not seen this week's episode, we're a day behind because we can't see it before America for some reason, and we're five hours ahead.
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If Rickon goes with Bran, then that has ripple effects. For example the whole thing with Davos at Whiteharbor will have to be rewriten. I thought they (Jojen and Meera) were kind of integral to Bran's story. Particularly Jojen. It's just annoying, I really don't see any reason behind all the changes they are making.


That's true, the Whiteharbor bit will have to be revised. Stacked up against the other revisions they've made though, I don't anticipate that being a problem. Like I said, there are myriad ways to rewrite that section, and I think many of them could accomplish things just as well.

Personally, I don't feel like Jojen and Meera were integral to Bran's story. I felt like their background in the books was rather nebulous compared to most other characters. To me, they're more like plot devices, characters that are introduced with the sole purpose of ferrying Bran north and imparting lore onto him. If they figured out a way to transfer that duty onto Osha, then I'm all for it.

See, I was fine with the encyclopedia of characters in the books, where names are easy to reread and commit to memory, but it's already getting a bit crowded in the TV show. They'd do well to condense where possible.

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I see what you mean, but I think this could all end up being somewhat short sighted on the side of the production team. Especially as they don't know what's happening in the last two books yet.
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See, I was fine with the encyclopedia of characters in the books, where names are easy to reread and commit to memory, but it's already getting a bit crowded in the TV show. They'd do well to condense where possible.

Edited, May 7th 2012 11:43am by Eske

Yeah, I'm all for a smaller cast sometimes. It takes me a while to learn everyone's names and then try and keep all the storylines straight. I've had to look up characters online more than once just to make sure I had all the details right.

I really liked last nights episode though. The stories seemed to move along some, there was a little more action too.
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I see what you mean, but I think this could all end up being somewhat short sighted on the side of the production team. Especially as they don't know what's happening in the last two books yet.


It certainly could. But they've had GRRM there the whole time, so I suspect he could speak up if he felt like something wouldn't do things justice, or would conflict with where he wanted things to go from here.
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#113 May 07 2012 at 12:18 PM Rating: Good
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I shall let you know my verdict on the latest episode in about two hours when it's aired here.

I like Jojen and Meera. I mean, it's not like they were superfluous characters like Dany's bloodrider which they killed off for no apparent reason.
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I see what you mean, but I think this could all end up being somewhat short sighted on the side of the production team. Especially as they don't know what's happening in the last two books yet.


It certainly could. But they've had GRRM there the whole time, so I suspect he could speak up if he felt like something wouldn't do things justice, or would conflict with where he wanted things to go from here.

Along the same thought, I wonder how much his consulting services on the show are influencing his plans for the final two books, if at all.

Regarding last night's episode, the biggest surprise for me was the way that Dany's story unfolded. It seems like they're setting up her story arc to skip all of the faffing about in Merreen (sp?), and just have her acquire her Unsullied army (you'll remember them from the earlier when they were outside the city gates) and begin to grow her power/dragons in Qarth.
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Wasn't really crazy about this weeks episode. Danny's character is coming off as a bit too entitled and childish. Seems like a lot more so than in the books to me. I can't tell how much of it is intentional...some of the writing seems hackneyed, and the actress seems like she's having a hard time with some of the character's petulant-sounding speeches. The bit where she was demanding ships from that spice merchant was cringe-worthy.


I think the intent was to make her sound like her brother with regards to her desire for the Iron Throne. And they accomplished that IMO. I haven't read the books, but from the bits I've picked up she's going to change her goals at some point. I think this was a quick and easy way to set up the "before" state for the TV audience who wont have the luxury of reading several chapters of character development.

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Wasn't really crazy about this weeks episode. Danny's character is coming off as a bit too entitled and childish. Seems like a lot more so than in the books to me. I can't tell how much of it is intentional...some of the writing seems hackneyed, and the actress seems like she's having a hard time with some of the character's petulant-sounding speeches. The bit where she was demanding ships from that spice merchant was cringe-worthy.


I think the intent was to make her sound like her brother with regards to her desire for the Iron Throne. And they accomplished that IMO. I haven't read the books, but from the bits I've picked up she's going to change her goals at some point. I think this was a quick and easy way to set up the "before" state for the TV audience who wont have the luxury of reading several chapters of character development.


I'm fine with them trying to stress that she wants the Iron Throne. A little less so with them making her sound like a spoiled 6 year old out of the blue. Her character should have been through enough now to know that things don't come so easy, IMHO.

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I swear, when the other merchant guy said his name, all I heard was "Ducksauce". Dammit! Smiley: motz


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I see what you mean, but I think this could all end up being somewhat short sighted on the side of the production team. Especially as they don't know what's happening in the last two books yet.


It certainly could. But they've had GRRM there the whole time, so I suspect he could speak up if he felt like something wouldn't do things justice, or would conflict with where he wanted things to go from here.

Along the same thought, I wonder how much his consulting services on the show are influencing his plans for the final two books, if at all.

Regarding last night's episode, the biggest surprise for me was the way that Dany's story unfolded. It seems like they're setting up her story arc to skip all of the faffing about in Merreen (sp?), and just have her acquire her Unsullied army (you'll remember them from the earlier when they were outside the city gates) and begin to grow her power/dragons in Qarth.

They can't do that though, other things have unfolded. I've had a feeling for a while that Dany wouldn't actually ever claim Westeros. I wouldn't be at all surprised if Aegon does, though. I think perhaps that's the point of all the 'faffing'.
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Since no one else posted, I feel an obligation to point out that it is now apparently "King Ducksauce". Yay!
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Since no one else posted, I feel an obligation to point out that it is now apparently "King Ducksauce". Yay!


It was an awesome scene. When the warlock guy's copies slit the other 13's throats. So much for them just being parlor tricks and illusions. Though, I'm pretty sure it was Ducksauce who told her they were parlor tricks. Must have been his attempt to make him seem less of a threat than he actually was.
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So yeah, am I misremembering or is none of this sh*t actually supposed to go down like this?
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So yeah, am I misremembering or is none of this sh*t actually supposed to go down like this?


S'all new. In the books, I don't recall Xaro doing much more than harping on Dany to marry him, and occasionally crying when she says no. None of this Qing of Qarth jazz.

Though admittedly, the Qarth part of the novels passed me by in a bit of a haze. I think I sort of sped-read her parts, so all stuff about illusions and magic seemed like a muddled mess to me.

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I'm starting to think they should rename the series "loosely based upon Game of Thrones".
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I'm starting to think they should rename the series "loosely based upon Game of Thrones".


A Competition of Crowns?

A Match of Monarchies?

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I'm starting to think they should rename the series "loosely based upon Game of Thrones".


A Competition of Crowns?

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That's all I've got.


A Rumble of Royalty

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I'm starting to think they should rename the series "loosely based upon Game of Thrones".


Seriously, this. That last episode was made up of about eighty percent new or different material. Granted the stuff with Dany involves a bit more intrigue than the books, but most of the changes really don't help the story much and will cause problems later on down the line.
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Seriously, this. That last episode was made up of about eighty percent new or different material. Granted the stuff with Dany involves a bit more intrigue than the books, but most of the changes really don't help the story much and will cause problems later on down the line.

At least someone sees where I'm coming from...
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But you have to remember, for those of us that didn't read the books, we're not missing anything. I think it's been a really good series so far and anything they've added and/or left out hasn't taken away from it from my perspective.

It's like none of you ever read a Stephen King book that was made into a movie. Smiley: oyvey

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I really liked this week's episode. It's important for them to have some moments of tenderness in between all of the beheadings...the darker moments benefit from the contrast. Nice emotional scenes with Tyrion, Jorah, etc.
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I really liked this week's episode. It's important for them to have some moments of tenderness in between all of the beheadings...the darker moments benefit from the contrast. Nice emotional scenes with Tyrion, Jorah, etc.
....yeah, not to mention the totally random, completely unnecessary pre-*** scene with King Robb and the soulful pretty girl. Smiley: rolleyes

I love some of the characters of the show, but I'm liking the screenplay less and less each week.


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But you have to remember, for those of us that didn't read the books, we're not missing anything.

But you have to remember, for those of us which did read the books, this is playing out to being a completely different story than the one we're expecting. Small changes here and there add up to bigger changes later. That, or plot holes.

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yeah, not to mention the totally random, completely unnecessary pre-*** scene with King Robb and the soulful pretty girl.


Yes because the soulful pretty girl(I assume it's the "nurse from Volantis", as I've not seen this week's episode yet) is a completely random character. She's not from the books at all. Smiley: rolleyes

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But you have to remember, for those of us that didn't read the books, we're not missing anything.

But you have to remember, for those of us which did read the books, this is playing out to being a completely different story than the one we're expecting. Small changes here and there add up to bigger changes later. That, or plot holes.

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yeah, not to mention the totally random, completely unnecessary pre-*** scene with King Robb and the soulful pretty girl.


Yes because the soulful pretty girl(I assume it's the "nurse from Volantis", as I've not seen this week's episode yet) is a completely random character. She's not from the books at all. Smiley: rolleyes

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She's a very obvious stand-in for lady what's-her-face (Jeyne?) that Robb finds himself taken with in the books. That character wasn't really fleshed out in the novels (she just sort of appears out of the blue), so HBO sort of needed to provide her with a more robust introduction and backstory. I suspect that since that would involve making stuff up, they figured they might as well just rewrite the character to make her introduction flow more seamlessly into Robb's storyline. Probably went something like:

"Robb's on the battlefield, so how does he meet a girl?"

"We'll have her be a field nurse."

"Well, she's supposed to be nobility, right? Is there a way we can fit that in?"

"Sure, we'll give her this backstory to explain why she's totally down with sawing off dude's limbs, and to show her as a nice, principled girl that Robb would dig."


It's a small, superficial change, and there aren't any real consequences from it. It addresses a minor issue that arose from the translation from book to tv. Makes perfect sense to me.
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I don't think she's even a stand in. I think it is her. Why else would he be so reluctant to go the Crag?
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I don't think she's even a stand in. I think it is her. Why else would he be so reluctant to go the Crag?


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I don't think she's even a stand in. I think it is her. Why else would he be so reluctant to go the Crag?
Yes, I'm sure she'll end up being the Robbs Queen.

The whole story with her just seems way contrived and cliche for GRRM to have ever written. She's a literary anomaly. It provides good opportunity for visually pleasing naked body scenes though.
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But you have to remember, for those of us that didn't read the books, we're not missing anything.

But you have to remember, for those of us which did read the books, this is playing out to being a completely different story than the one we're expecting. Small changes here and there add up to bigger changes later. That, or plot holes.

This is all about me! Smiley: mad

Yes, I do see your side of it. And you could be right. But from my perspective, it's still been a really entertaining show.

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But you have to remember, for those of us that didn't read the books, we're not missing anything.

But you have to remember, for those of us which did read the books, this is playing out to being a completely different story than the one we're expecting. Small changes here and there add up to bigger changes later. That, or plot holes.

I'm not so worried about the director re-arranging Robb's story arc a bit, or even condensing 3 books' worth of Dany's misadventures in the Far East. What worries me is that they appear to be setting up Arya's plot line to completely skip Bravos, which is one of my favorite threads from the book.

Also, I love every exchange between Cersei and Tyrion. The loathing is so think you can practically cut it with a knife.
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What worries me is that they appear to be setting up Arya's plot line to completely skip Bravos, which is one of my favorite threads from the book.


What makes you think so? I must confess I don't actually remember how, or why, she goes there. God my memory sucks.


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What worries me is that they appear to be setting up Arya's plot line to completely skip Bravos, which is one of my favorite threads from the book.


What makes you think so? I must confess I don't actually remember how, or why, she goes there. God my memory sucks.

Jaqar H'Glockenschpiel gives her an iron coin, and tells her that it will buy her passage to Bravos with the magic phrase "valar morghuelis", which means "all men must die." There's still the possibility that she'll go there anyways, as she still has to roam around the Riverlands with the Hound for a few months after he flees King's Landing following the battle of Blackwater Bay.
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What worries me is that they appear to be setting up Arya's plot line to completely skip Bravos, which is one of my favorite threads from the book.


What makes you think so? I must confess I don't actually remember how, or why, she goes there. God my memory sucks.

Jaqar H'Glockenschpiel gives her an iron coin, and tells her that it will buy her passage to Bravos with the magic phrase "valar morghuelis", which means "all men must die." There's still the possibility that she'll go there anyways, as she still has to roam around the Riverlands with the Hound for a few months after he flees King's Landing following the battle of Blackwater Bay.


Ah, thanks. I hope they include that portion. I love the part where she's training in the House of the Many Faced God.

Side note: I was wondering about a related change: In the HBO series, Jaqen says that it's the "Red God" who must be repayed for the 3 deaths. But in the books, doesn't he worship the Many Faced God? Does this mean that in the TV series he's supposed to be a follower of Rh'lorr (sp?) instead, like the red priests?

Also, I think I was more bummed out by the Hound's death than any other character in the books. I found him so interesting, and it sucked that he basically died between chapters in such an anti-climactic way. I really wouldn't mind if HBO tweaked that portion a bit.
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#142 May 21 2012 at 9:13 AM Rating: Good
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Side note: I was wondering about a related change: In the HBO series, Jaqen says that it's the "Red God" who must be repayed for the 3 deaths. But in the books, doesn't he worship the Many Faced God? Does this mean that in the TV series he's supposed to be a follower of Rh'lorr (sp?) instead, like the red priests?

I noticed this as well, but as I recall, the Many-Faced God is really just a collection of all gods. Still, this may be yet another clue that they plan to skip the Bravos segment.
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#143 May 21 2012 at 10:37 AM Rating: Good
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With that in mind, I found “The Prince of Winterfell” to be quite a relief, a smuggled satchel of onions for a starving man. It was a relatively quiet hour, at least by Game of Thrones standards: no savage disembowelments, no dark, murderous *******


I love these recaps. He seems to be of the same mind as me about the episode. Also, it's fun to watch the onset of paranoia as he guesses every which way about which major character will be the next to go. He seems to be guessing Stannis, Robb, and, perhaps unsurprisingly, Theon.
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#144 May 22 2012 at 6:53 AM Rating: Good
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The Many Faced God is supposed to be death. At least, that's what I understand. He's a representaton of all the gods of death throughout the world.

Again, Braavos is kind of key to Arya's story. I don't see how they could justify cutting it out, without just completely dropping her from the programme.

edit: here's an interview with the man himself. He kind of touches on the reasoning behind some of the changes: http://youtu.be/QTTW8M_etko

Edited, May 22nd 2012 10:53am by Nilatai
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#146 May 27 2012 at 10:21 PM Rating: Good
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Does anyone else think that Peter Dinklage looks like a Mini Hugh Laurie?

(At least, when both are in make up on TV)
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#147 May 28 2012 at 12:47 AM Rating: Good
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Does anyone else think that Peter Dinklage looks like a Mini Hugh Laurie?

(At least, when both are in make up on TV)


A little bit. I think it's in the eyes and prominent brow.
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#148 May 28 2012 at 9:52 PM Rating: Excellent
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The only similarity I see is that Peter is American pretending to have a British accent and Hugh is British pretending to have an American accent.

Also, where mah dwagons??
#149 May 28 2012 at 10:28 PM Rating: Good
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Well, I wasn't the only one that thought so, I looked it up today and found a few people talking about it. I just kept thinking the whole time Tyrion was up on those battlements looking over the walls, his face reminded me of House.

I found a pretty funny picture. I mean, the pictures they chose didn't highlight the similarities as well as what I kept seeing in my mind, but the equation made me laugh.
https://plus.google.com/100801061924982065053/posts/AooX4vTuM1p

I am sad that there is only one episode left this season.
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#150 May 29 2012 at 5:49 AM Rating: Excellent
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Yeah, I can kind of see a resemblance, but I never thought about it until you guys said something.
#151 May 30 2012 at 4:36 AM Rating: Good
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I really enjoyed this week's episode. Also they've finally made a change I like. Tyrion didn't lose his nose! I think that would have annoyed me by halfway through next season.
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