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#1 Oct 12 2011 at 3:31 AM Rating: Good
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First "Official" Trailer has gone live.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HwsIbjCKcgo&feature=player_embedded

Hopefully we see Joss let Loki off the chain and cause some real mayhem, rumors abound that Loki brings the Skrull to Earth so The Avengers are having to fight on two fronts.
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#2 Oct 12 2011 at 7:13 AM Rating: Excellent
I didn't follow casting, production, etc for this. The fact that they using this as a crossover/tie-in with the other current movies is great. I probably go to the movies once a year or less, this one, I will see in the theater.
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#3 Oct 12 2011 at 7:48 AM Rating: Good
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I'll go see it, but like I've mentioned elsewhere the movie is already off to an annoying start. I just don't see how you can have an Avengers movie without two of the founding members. I'm sure they'll mention and maybe even cameo Hank Pym and Janet Van Dyne, but an Avengers movie without Ant-Man and The Wasp seems wrong. Oh, one more thing: Cap's modern costume looks weird. The cowl just doesn't look good in real life where it barely looks okay in comics. It is a silly thing to focus on, and maybe it'll work better in the movie than the stolen away photos taken that have been leaked for the past few months, but from what I've seen it just looks entirely out of place.

And Dr. Banner looks like Zoolander. RAWR! HULK MOST RIDICULOUSLY GOOD LOOKING OF THEM ALL!
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#4 Oct 12 2011 at 8:04 AM Rating: Good
If this turns into Thanos and the Infinity Gauntlet stuff, I will blow a load.
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#5 Oct 12 2011 at 4:50 PM Rating: Decent
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Not being a comic book nerd, I have no problem seeing the movie as is. Insects not included.
#6 Oct 12 2011 at 6:35 PM Rating: Good
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It's directed and partially written by Joss Whedon. I'm in.
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#8 Oct 12 2011 at 7:24 PM Rating: Good
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That Thor's included worries me. That movie made me want to gouge my eyes out.
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#9 Oct 12 2011 at 7:35 PM Rating: Excellent
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That Thor's included worries me. That movie made me want to gouge my eyes out.


You crazy. That movie was second only to the Iron Man movies.
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That Thor's included worries me. That movie made me want to gouge my eyes out.


You crazy. That movie was second only to the Iron Man movies.


I cringed so many times during it. And I've never judged Natalie Portman more.
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I thought the actors in Thor were good but stuck in a mediocre movie who's only reason for existence was to introduce the characters for the Avengers movie.

On my Marvel Movie Scale, it was fourth/fifth behind Ironman 1, Captain America, and the first Spider-Man movies, and interchangeable with the second Spider-Man movie depending on what day you ask me. Some days I feel SM2 was decent, and some I don't. I'm a fickle comic nerd and wear it as a badge.
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#13 Oct 12 2011 at 11:06 PM Rating: Good
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I thought the first Iron Man was easily the best of the super hero movies to come out recently. I imagine most would agree. Never saw Captain America, because I just don't care about him. Thor's characters were all stale and horribly written. I know Natalie Portman and Stellan Skarsgård are great actors, but both their roles were just dead weight in the film. And there's no room in my heart for "over-acted Viking."

I enjoyed the first spider man, but some of the acting was rough. And it stretched the thirty-year-old-teenager thing a little too far (in terms of the actors). The second started off well, but by the time he lost his powers I was kinda no longer caring. Never saw the third (and feel no need to).

I feel like the X-men trilogy is where people are the most divided. I know people who thought the third was easily the best, and I know people with the opposite opinion. I hated the 3rd movie. But I liked the first two. I thought the first movie was better, but I appreciated the expansion of the cast they did in the second. I'm watching an X-Men movie--show me some mutations, dammit.

If we aren't limiting this to Marvel, though, then the two most recent Batman movies blow the rest out of the water, as far as I'm concerned. I thought the first one was excellent, and the second was pure sex.
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#14 Oct 13 2011 at 7:53 AM Rating: Good
Most geeks love Whedon, Whedon loves comics (Astonishing X-Men is fantastic), & with his knack for writing dialogue & the great casting I'm sure it's going to be great.

I'm sorry dude, but Ant-Man & The Wasp are lame & I care not that they aren't in it (Maria Hill is in it though- Massive spoiler to follow. Do not read if you want to be surprised by the plot of the movie:>
Sorta. She's, essentially, a skrull. This is, going to be The Ultimates with Loki thrown into the mix. & Lou Ferrigno does the voice of the Hulk!)

It should be every bit as good as any of the other "new" marvel flicks: Thor or Captain America (The latter of which which I still haven't seen >.<)

As for the "best" superhero movies:

1. Superman (It still holds up. Amazing film, & if it sucked there may not have been others)
2. The Dark Knight (Only reason it aint number one is because Superman started it all.)
3. Spider Man 2 (It's better than the first one. Better villain & with the origin out of the way more Spidey!)
4. Iron Man (Robert Downey Jr. is pure Awesomeness as Tony Stark)
5. X-Men 2 (Also better than the first one. The best film version of Wolverine, an Amazing Nightcrawler, & a better villain: humanity's prejudice.)

I don't know if The Avenger's can supplant any of those...

Although, it should be noted that I absolutely loved Ang Lee's Incredible Hulk.


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#15 Oct 13 2011 at 8:35 AM Rating: Good
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I thought that Superman movie was AWFUL.
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I thought that Superman movie was AWFUL.
Are you talking about Christopher Reeves or that stupid **** that came out in the last few years?

Also, as a non-fanboi, I think most of these Marvel movies have been very entertaining. Pull something out of your asses and enjoy them for what they are. I don't expect you to as avid readers of the comics, much like how I can never watch Lost World or Congo ever again, having read the books. I will tell you to though, since it doesn't apply to me this time around.
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#17 Oct 13 2011 at 10:32 AM Rating: Excellent
I was talking about Reeves'.

In a related note, I found Cap' online.

I enjoyed it. Was hoping for the Red Skull in Avengers, but that now seems unlikely. Smiley: frown

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I was talking about the **** one that came out most recently.

And I know nothing of any of the comics, so them being non-canon won't annoy me. And I get to enjoy them purely for what they actually provide.
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Honestly, I don't think you can really credit Superman for being responsible for the current crop of superhero films. There was a brief spat of films that were released after that film, and they got progressively worse, then people stopped making big budget superhero films. The current crop of films in that genre really owes Spider Man for getting the ball rolling again. It's pretty reasonable to say that had that film sucked, none of the following ones (even the new Batman ones) would have been made.


While the purist in me is slightly bothered by the absence of Antman and Wasp, only just slightly. I can totally see why they left them out. The Avengers has for most of its history been about the "most powerful" superheroes. Let's face it, when your starting lineup includes Thor, Iron Man, and the Hulk, any one of whom can take on the armies of mid sized nations without breaking a sweat, your "mighty scale" kinda goes up to 11 already. Characters who could already just accidentally die via unintended side effects of battles involving those first three and with the mighty powers of being able to shrink to even smaller and more squishable (and harder to see and thus more likely to be accidentally killed/stepped on) size just seems like poor additions. Leaving them back at base to do some research and maybe point the big guns in the right direction might be wiser.

Even Hawkeye and Captain America are tough calls, but you can at least see how they lend consistent value to the team while in the field. Cap's tactical prowess (and sufficient combat skill/power to not get accidentally squished) is worth bringing. And Hawkeye's quiver of trick arrows may help deal with some circumstances that brute force alone can't. But it's going to be a rare case where shrinking (and I suppose controlling ants) is going to help a whole lot.

I can just see it:

Pym: Hey. There's a door here. Let me shrink down to ant size and slip through the keyhole...
Hulk: Smash!
Pym: Ok. I guess we're through that door. Look a security grid. Let me use my knowledge of science to crack their security...
Stark: Already disabled with a directed EMP pulse. We good?
Pym: Um... Yeah. Opps. There's a bunch of heavily armed guards coming this way. Let me use my control of ants to make them itch and well just walk right...
Thor: By the power of Odin, let my mighty hammer create winds to sweep these foes from the battlefield!
Pym: Well... That was effective as well. I'll just hang out here. Let me know if you guys need anything.
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Like you said, it's a slight irritant but still an irritant that I'm not going to pretend doesn't exist. This is, from a purist standpoint, an X-Men origin movie without Charles Xavier. Speaking of X-Men, the only movie using them that was an X-Men movie was First Class. The others were "Wolverine and a Random Gaggle of Sidekicks."
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I enjoyed the fact that they really tried to at least let you see other mutants in the second movie though. They did it in the deleted scenes of the first, but not really ever focusing on characters that existed in the series (at least prominently).

This was the case in the third movie too. I just thought that it was an awful film.

Haven't seen the newest one.
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I enjoyed it. Was hoping for the Red Skull in Avengers, but that now seems unlikely.



The Red Skull doesn't get killed by the Cosmic Cube, he becomes one with it learns how to use it to its fullest potential. Also he gains the ability to detect new Cubes as they are created.
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#23 Oct 13 2011 at 11:02 PM Rating: Good
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The current crop of films in that genre really owes Spider Man for getting the ball rolling again.


While Spidey 1 was certainly more successful, it was actually Blade, then X-Men, that got the comic book movie machine rolling again.

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How do you figure?

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The others were "Wolverine and a Random Gaggle of Sidekicks."
Yea, that's why I enjoyed them. The rest of the X-Men are wussies.
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Shut yo' mouth, Gambit was awesome. :P
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He's all right. At least his attitude towards his "issues" aren't sappy like the rest of them.
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I suppose a bit of variation on the comic is necessary, I don't know who read the first Avenger stories, but that's the most sexist comic I've ever read. That and just not very good, they also fight amongst themselves a heck of a lot more than any enemy they encounter.

Still, Wasp and Antman are major Avengers, or used to be, haven't read the series in quite some time.

X-Men I and II were not bad, definitely the second one had a decent enough story to it. The third is pretty much an abomination. I'm surprised anyone dared to make another one.

On the other hand, after Generation X the movie, I'm surprised anyone dared make another superheroe movie. Or heck, after the David Hasselhoff SHIELD disaster even. (although I do admit, I enjoyed that one more than the Gen X movie)
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How do you figure?
It's a comic book and it would be on the tame end of the spectrum as far as crazy storylines are concerned.

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I, like 99.95% of the movie going audience do not know who Antman is nor care if he's included in the movie. While they'll give lip service to those geeks who do care, the studio realizes that "Antman" isn't going to be what makes it a bajillion dollar box office movie and they have enough big paycheck names on the payroll that they don't need another for some dork named "Antman".
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#30 Oct 16 2011 at 8:55 AM Rating: Excellent
Antman's getting his own movie, by Edgar Wright (Sean of The Dead, Hot Fuzz, Scott Pilgrim).
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Biochemist Dr. Hank Pym uses his latest discovery, a group of subatomic particles, to create a size-altering formula. Though his first self-test goes awry, he develops an instrument that helps him communicate with and control insects.


Like some others, I had heard of Antman, but didn't know much about him. However, I have no idea what those two sentences have to do with one another. This super hero confuses me already.
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You know what I like about Hank Pym? He's a mad scientist trying to be a hero.

He wasn't supposed to be a hero in the first place, just a scientist from a Twilight Zone styled story about shrinking himself and having to fight ants. Then we found out that he had basically gone "You narrow-minded fools! We're scientists, nothing should be impossible to us!" and got laughed out of the scientific community, probably muttering something like "I'll show them ... I'LL SHOW THEM ALL!"

And then things went all wrong. He met his first wife who pulled him out of his lab, away from a future that almost certainly held giant ants and death rays, and started showing him the beautiful things of the world. Made him fall in love. Then she was murdered, but not before inspiring him to be a better person.

So what you're left with is this insane man that doesn't think things through; Who tries to be good but keeps messing it up; Who unleashes horrors when trying to do something right; Who can never seem to match up to other heroes (Kind of like how many villains can never match up to the heroes ...); Who desperately wants to be a superhero and redeem himself, but keeps Doing it Wrong. A sad, brilliant, hopeful genius who can't seem to get it right because his brain is cracked.

Like I said, it's like he was all set to become a mad scientist villain when his first wife knocked him clear off that life track, and he's been struggling to escape his destiny ever since. It's like the soul of a hero was given a villain's body, life, mind, skill set, etc. Or like a villainous mad scientist's madness manifested not as an obsession with hats, eggs, giant mechanical spiders, or any of the usual things, but rather manifested as an obsession with being a good person.

That's how I see it, anyway.

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Wasn't Pym the idiot that built Ultron, the nuclear powered android with the adamantium body?
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Yes. Yes he was.
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#35 Oct 17 2011 at 2:12 AM Rating: Good
He also slapped around his wife, The Wasp, a bit.

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Wasn't Pym the idiot that built Ultron, the nuclear powered android with the adamantium body?


Yeah. It's like he just skipped out of the "what could go wrong?" class in mad scientist school.


Even for purists and long time Avenger's readers "back in the day", very few ever thought that Pym was the "leader" of the Avengers. He was the guy who came up with the idea of forming a team (probably because he knew he was pretty wimpy by himself), but he didn't lead the team (and his inability to be an effective leader was one of the major plot lines early on IIRC). Most people would peg Cap or Iron man as the leader, with Pym being the guy who mostly built stuff that caused problems for everyone.
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I think the older Superman Movies where ok for their time but they are very dated now. They got kinda goofy needless to say.
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I'm going to assume you were responding to a post that has since been removed, because otherwise that's a completely pointless thing to necrobump a thread with.

And besides, the Avengers are Marvel. Superman is DC.
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#40 Nov 19 2011 at 9:42 AM Rating: Good
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I'm going to assume you were responding to a post that has since been removed, because otherwise that's a completely pointless thing to necrobump a thread with.

And besides, the Avengers are Marvel. Superman is DC.
There was a discussion about the superman movies in another thread i think (it might have been in this one, but I'm not bothering to look). He probably just posted it in the wrong thread.
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