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#202 Nov 16 2013 at 5:05 AM Rating: Good
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I think Nick.com screwed up or something, but it appears that the entire rest of the season is on their website for viewing. Something like four new episodes. I went this morning to watch the episode I missed last night, and was lost. I might be wrong, but I thought the last episode I had watched was episode 10, A New Spiritual Age. Went to nick.com and they had four new ones up beyond that.
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#203 Nov 16 2013 at 6:33 AM Rating: Good
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IGN says they're releasing the finale online now, and it'll air next week. So there shouldn't be four, there should be three? It's a one-hour finale, plus the episode you haven't seen?
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#204 Nov 16 2013 at 3:12 PM Rating: Good
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Pretty sure there were 4 episodes online now that I hadn't seen. The episode from Friday. Then three others. I'm at work now so I can't double check.

According to the website there were two episodes aired on Friday. (11/15). Or an hour episode. Hard to say cause they are still broke into half hour names. That could explain it.

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#205 Nov 16 2013 at 10:17 PM Rating: Good
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Overall it wasn't that bad. I'm curious if they'll try for another book? I think it will be odd not having the previous Avatars, but I wonder if now that the spirit word is open 100% that all the past Avatars can exist in spirit form in the human world. No longer have to meditate to commune with them.
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#206 Nov 16 2013 at 11:46 PM Rating: Good
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If there is another book it'd probably be Avatar vs Dark Avatar. Korra as a whole has been pretty lackluster, and all I'm really watching it for are Varrik shenanigans.
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#207 Nov 17 2013 at 8:56 AM Rating: Good
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The last four episodes had some nice action scenes.

The biggest issue I've seen with Korra was entire storylines being compacted into so few episodes. Avatar was able to have a lot of filler and character development episodes and still progress an overall story. Korra's setting and pace didn't led itself to the same party dynamics of the first, and left everything feeling rushed. It's as if in the beginning they want to progress similar to Avatar, but then realize they don't have enough episodes and blast it all through at the end. Like if in the first series, Aang, Katara, and Sokka went through 10 episodes then in the last 4 episodes met Toph, Zuko, and defeated the Fire Lord.
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#208 Nov 17 2013 at 9:48 AM Rating: Good
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I'm not sure I get why they made it a miniseries in the first place. I mean, Avatar was plenty popular...
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#209 Nov 17 2013 at 11:18 AM Rating: Good
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I don't know if it's the writers, or if Nickelodeon forced them. In one interview for Korra the creators (I think it was them) refused to talk about the Last Airbender movie. I wonder if some negative feelings exist between Nick and the creators of Avatar?
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#210 Nov 17 2013 at 11:41 AM Rating: Good
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Well whichever Nick exec decided to let M. Night Shyamalan do the movie should be punched in the face.
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#211 Nov 23 2013 at 2:15 AM Rating: Good
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So the Dark Avatar only waterbent, and it turned into an episode of Ultraman. Left open for more episodes, though I don't feel all that compelled to see them. I will, unfortunately, but I don't want to.
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#212 Nov 23 2013 at 3:44 PM Rating: Good
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Meh, the action scenes were good but holy **** the writing in Korra seems incredibly poor compared to the original series. I can't tell if I'm just nostalgia-ing it up or if it actually is a huge disparity, but I just haven't been enjoying Korra nearly as much as I did Avatar.
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#213 Nov 24 2013 at 8:11 AM Rating: Decent
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Meh, the action scenes were good but holy **** the writing in Korra seems incredibly poor compared to the original series. I can't tell if I'm just nostalgia-ing it up or if it actually is a huge disparity, but I just haven't been enjoying Korra nearly as much as I did Avatar.


The original had a better story, and writing.

Or maybe we just all subconsciously hate female leads. I do have a somewhat cynical point of view when it comes to strong female characters in popular media, though...
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#214 Nov 25 2013 at 1:40 AM Rating: Good
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No one gives a ****, Tirith. No text can be small enough for how little everyone in the Universe cares about what you have to say about female leads.

The first season of Korra was okay, solid writing, excellent fight scenes - its main problem was its pacing and that it kind of wimped out from exploring the central theme. This season is just shambolic. Avatar was better than both in most respects.
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#215 Nov 25 2013 at 4:53 AM Rating: Good
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Who ****** in your cheerios this morning? The point of my comment had nothing to do with how I viewed strong female leads, but most of the time when I see them in the media I do not think the people who wrote those leads do so out of a genuine interest in portraying strong female characters and more so they can say "See, we have a strong female, we are so cool!". Maybe you completely understood that, maybe you didn't, but I don't see how it justified your little temper tantrum there. The main comment was an off colored joke offering an explanation beyond the bad writing of why we all have an issue with Korra vs Avatar. The small comment was me admitting that sometimes I do hold it against a particular piece of media (but not necessarily in this case).

And no, I don't think the first season had solid writing. It suffered from the same issues that the second season does. Rushed character relationships, rushed storylines, and fast season wrap ups that screamed "oh sh*t, we are out of time"

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#216 Nov 25 2013 at 8:10 AM Rating: Good
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I have yet to watch any of this season, but I do think that's a fair critique of the first. It always seemed, to me, like the problem was that the writers were being asked to deliver an avatar-level plot arc in a miniseries-length season. Just isn't going to go well.
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#217 Nov 25 2013 at 12:23 PM Rating: Good
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And no, I don't think the first season had solid writing. It suffered from the same issues that the second season does. Rushed character relationships, rushed storylines, and fast season wrap ups that screamed "oh sh*t, we are out of time"


Not to anything like the same degree. The first season had a plot that made some kind of sense, better character writing and much better choreography.
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#218 Nov 25 2013 at 5:59 PM Rating: Good
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So I sort of forgot to keep watching after the amnesia washed on a beach thing. Does it get better or does it stay as terrible as the first half of the season?
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#219 Nov 25 2013 at 6:50 PM Rating: Good
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TirithRR wrote:
And no, I don't think the first season had solid writing. It suffered from the same issues that the second season does. Rushed character relationships, rushed storylines, and fast season wrap ups that screamed "oh sh*t, we are out of time"


Not to anything like the same degree. The first season had a plot that made some kind of sense, better character writing and much better choreography.


Mainly due to it starting out slowly, almost at the pace of the first series. But then it had to rush to finish it. I did not expect the first season to end like it did, I really thought it would carry over to a second seaosn. Then suddenly it was over. A "WTF" moment for me. IMO the ending of the second season was better than the ending of the first. I found the whole Dark Avatar deal a lot more interesting than the Spirit Bender is just a Water Bender who can Bloodbend when ever he wants. What a TWIST!

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So I sort of forgot to keep watching after the amnesia washed on a beach thing. Does it get better or does it stay as terrible as the first half of the season?


The next two episodes after that (a one hour special) are probably the best out of the season. I think the action sequences in the later half are pretty good. But everything still moves just as fast and neglects the character development and such that made the first series good. Not to say that the first series was perfect, it had it's rushed relationships, like Princess Yue x Sokka.

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#220 Nov 26 2013 at 8:29 AM Rating: Good
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I kind of like the Yue x Sokka one. It's rushed if you're trying to look at it as a deep relationship, but I don't think they actually portrayed it that way. It reminds me of flash romances, like you sometimes see when people take longer (2-3 week) vacations.

Sokka moves on easily enough - he's not emotionally devastated. But he doesn't just forget it happened, either.

I like it. They got close enough for her death to be traumatic, but not close enough it really shook who he was. I wouldn't have minded another episode, but that's going to be the case in any plot arc that has a series of weeks over the course of one or two episodes.

I mean, Katara gained a high level of mastery in waterbending in that same time period. I have an easier time imagining a sixteen year old developing a serious crush.
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#221 Nov 26 2013 at 4:41 PM Rating: Good
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Korra S1 spent way too much time with vapid pro bending plots, but it finished up nicely. The political elements were good, in that you could see the valid viewpoints and motivations of the equalist supporters. The familial connections of the villains and the associated mixed emotions they caused in the characters were well done (in both Amon's family and Asami's). And the murder/suicide and Korra's possible suicide contemplation made for a mature and fascinating conclusion.

S2 seemed to introduce a lot of stuff that conflicted with, or should have been mentioned, in previous cannon. Like Korra's uncle being the leader of the Nothern Water Tribe. Her father's exile. The existence of the spirit portals.

Much of the plot seemed to be written in "and then this happens" structure (i.e. just sequences of events with tenuous connection).

I didn't like how human/spirit conflict was settled mostly with punching. Aang's visits to the spirit world, or his chats with former avatars, seemed to be more about personal spiritual growth, knowledge, understanding. In Korra, they go to the spirit world and shoot fire at what should be non-corporeal entities.

Korra seems to suck at fighting. She's now 5 years older than Aang was, has had proper training in all elements, yet consistently gets beat in fights. I guess it's good that they don't have her go into Goku avatar state and stomp everyone, but they seemed to make her unnecessarily weak.

And finally, while Avatar has always suffered from some deus ex machina causing the good guys to win, it was never quite so blatant as in the ending of this season. Jinora descended from the sky out of nowhere, exactly like the god descending from the ceiling in a rigging in an ancient Greek play. Where the heck was she, and how did she get Raava back? Pretty lame.

Parts I did really like from S2: the Bolin movie premiere/foiled kidnapping sequence. The stylized animation in the Wan flashback.




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Jinora descended from the sky out of nowhere, exactly like the god descending from the ceiling in a rigging in an ancient Greek play. Where the heck was she, and how did she get Raava back? Pretty lame.


Jinora didn't get Raava back, Raava was never really gone (Neither Vaatu nor Raava can be destroyed). Raava was inside Vaatu. Jinora just allowed Korra to realize that, and rip the weakened Raava from deep within Vaatu, who was fused with Unalaq.

But I didn't care for the Jinora thing. I was hoping they'd do something else with her. When they first showed her exploring the old sections of the Temple and stumbling upon that old (wood?) statue of what I assume was Wan... I was hoping they'd use her to explore the origins of the Avatar, and not the stupid Amnesia trigger.


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I thought about this, and Wan was able to bend all the elements before fusing with Raava, right? So the fusing isn't what allowed the Avatar to be able to bend all four elements.

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#223 Nov 26 2013 at 8:09 PM Rating: Good
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I thought about this, and Wan was able to bend all the elements before fusing with Raava, right? So the fusing isn't what allowed the Avatar to be able to bend all four elements.

Yeah, the regular avatar still has to relearn all 4 elements every reincarnation, so it'd make sense that the dark avatar should have to also. I'm glad they maintained that aspect. I still thought Korra should have had an advantage by knowing all 4, but I guess maybe Vaatu was at peak strength at that moment.

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I still thought Korra should have had an advantage by knowing all 4, but I guess maybe Vaatu was at peak strength at that moment.


The same thing happened with the Fire Lord and Aang during the end of the first series. The Fire Lord could only bend fire, but was powerful enough because of the comet to be a serious threat. Vaatu was Unalaq's comet.
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#225 Dec 16 2013 at 6:29 PM Rating: Good
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Except that they both had a spirit. When Korra should have been winning, she lost. When she should have been losing, she won. Dramatic tension demands it; logic be damned.

They also made the incredibly common era of presenting a karmic universe where they pay lip service to balance, but it's very clear that everyone wants the world to be as lopsided toward the light side as possible.

Korra broke the world by herself almost entirely by herself and fixed it almost entirely by herself. Most everything everyone else did just didn't matter. Unalaq mattered only so far as being the bad guy. I'll give you Jinora as well, but that's it.

Overall a fitting direct to video Disney sequel.

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Korra's spiritual...ness was always her weak point, throughout both seasons. Aang's Avatar state was much more powerful. Korra is a strong bender, weak avatar. Aang was a weaker bender, stronger avatar. Unalaq and Ozai both out perform Korra and Aang before hitting up the "I'm an awesome Avatar" moment. Korra's avatar state was just weak until she did that full "spirit bondy, believe in yourself" thing.
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I still thought Korra should have had an advantage by knowing all 4, but I guess maybe Vaatu was at peak strength at that moment.


The same thing happened with the Fire Lord and Aang during the end of the first series. The Fire Lord could only bend fire, but was powerful enough because of the comet to be a serious threat. Vaatu was Unalaq's comet.

The difference in my opinion is that Aang was 5 years younger and barely had training in his non-native elements. He had less than 1 year of water-bending training and maybe 1 month of fire-bending. Whereas Korra is now 18 and should be a master in everything but air.

But you have a good point about Aang's stronger spiritual connectiong giving him a stronger avatar state. Korra often did the thing where her eyes glowed like she was going into avatar state, but she only got a short boost of power instead of going into god-mode.
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But you have a good point about Aang's stronger spiritual connectiong giving him a stronger avatar state. Korra often did the thing where her eyes glowed like she was going into avatar state, but she only got a short boost of power instead of going into god-mode.


That's how the avatar state's meant to be used; a brief boost of power, so as to minimise the danger of permadeath. Aang goes all crazy when he avatars up because he isn't in control of it.
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But you have a good point about Aang's stronger spiritual connectiong giving him a stronger avatar state. Korra often did the thing where her eyes glowed like she was going into avatar state, but she only got a short boost of power instead of going into god-mode.


That's how the avatar state's meant to be used; a brief boost of power, so as to minimise the danger of permadeath. Aang goes all crazy when he avatars up because he isn't in control of it.


Her short boost of power was not that significant compared to her natural ability though, and not that much compared to her enemies. Aang's was night and day almost. And I always just attributed that to him having a better spiritual bond with his past lives.
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Just gonna point out that we see Aang use the avatar state to break out of some bloodbending in S1 of LoK. He didn't go into some crazy god-mode, he just accessed some additional spiritual power, and nothing about the next bit of bending was anything like his childhood Avatar states.

Aang in the original series usually went into the avatar state because he lost control, and was channeling the combined fury of the past Avatars. It was fueled by his rage, triggered by his anger, his fear of death, etc.

The only time it was super controlled, that I'm remembering off the top of my head, was when he fused with the Ocean Spirit Tui. And that wasn't about Aang's bending, that was about using the spirit pathway to channel Tui's power, from what I can tell.

Also worth noting is that you saw a lot of Avatars using the Avatar State in the first series in montages. And it was usually just a quick flash of the eyes followed by a bigger act of bending (like a much bigger rush of wind, a bigger wave, etc.).

Aang usually succumbed to the avatar state, he didn't really use it.

And a big part of that, I think, is because he was so afraid to use it. Instead of getting a quick burst of energy in battles, he did the attrition thing until he was forced to go full-on avatar state to survive.
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