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#27 Sep 10 2011 at 9:32 PM Rating: Good
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Yeah that sounds like a bit of a let down. Really in the 200 years or so Jack was stuck on earth he never thought of that. That what I find a bit weird. Really not feeling either show much anymore. Really looks like they are trying to hard to distance it from Doctor Who. This is what I don't like about spin offs.


Wasn't Jack buried alive by his brother for over 1000 or so years? somewhere in season 2? That would make him stuck on earth for some time longer than 200 years.



the Doctor leaves him on Earth after becoming what he is now and is picked up by Torchwood for 200 years till he runs off with the doctor again when they find the Master is still alive. The Master steals the Tardis but the Doctor fusses the controls so he can on travel between the end of the universe and Martha time and at the end of that whole ark is when we find out who Jack becomes. IIRC its season 4 finally. That is his last appearance in Doctor who. I not sure if the first season of Torchwood happens before or after this but for at least 200 years he is on Earth walking around with everyone. Not to mention that would have been really useful for Children of Earth what happen with Rex.

Long and the short Watch season 1 of the reboot and the season 4 of Doctor who and you will know the origins of Jack and what will happen to him. That's all I will say on that any more it kinda messes up the wow of the set up over 4 years.

Yes Jack is a Time agent(i think) form the 51st century the Doctor finds him sometime in the blitz of London and Jack runs off with the Doctor and Rose.


Edited, Sep 10th 2011 11:39pm by RavennofTitan
#28 Sep 14 2011 at 5:50 PM Rating: Decent
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Well, They wrapped it up, and started another thing, in the last episode of the season.

They ended up doing it wrong. They kept the whole "Jack's Blood is Magic" thing going. Which is strange since I'm pretty sure they had Jack say numerous times during the season that his blood isn't the answer. It just doesn't fit Jack's true origins or what they've stated about Jack in this season.

Right now it looks like Rex inherited Jack's abilities through his Blood, yet it could be that the Three Families' "Plan B" just involves everyone healing now. It all depends on if Willis stands up as well. Seems kind of counterproductive to their plans though, why have everyone heal instantly if they stockpiled painkillers and medications for decades.


Did I enjoy watching? Yes. Did I think it ended well. No.


I liked the first three or four episodes, the build up was quite well done. I just didn't get a good feeling about how some things were wrapped up rather quickly and other things were left for later seasons. Sure, it's not a bad thing that the three families are still around to mess with Torchwood, but for instance the characters of Kitzinger and Oswald Daines I felt were seriously underused or oddly used. I just couldn't really figure Daines out to be honest, his behaviour was quite erratic, which was the point I suppose but it never felt right for me. And Kitzinger did nothing but run around and shout from time to time, at first she was mysterious and about the only face that could be connected to the real threat, then they made her out to do absolutely nothing in the end. Except to definitely be important in the next season.

It just seems a waste of bringing her up all the episodes and do so little with her character.

And I suppose Jack's blood isn't really magical, just a scientific use of it I suppose. It does feel a bit simplistic.

Still good of them not to include aliens, so far anyway.
#29 Sep 15 2011 at 4:35 PM Rating: Decent
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TirithRR the Eccentric wrote:
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Ya, Jack was buried under Cardiff for nearly 2000 years. It was 27 AD that they teleported back to when his brother did it. And maybe I'm wrong, but isn't Jack from a future Earth? 51st century or some thing. Or maybe it's not supposed to be Earth... I guess they didn't really explain Where his home was, just When it was. I'm not sure if Boeshane Pennisula is known to be on or not on Earth. Either way, he's been alive for a long time, and been on Earth for a long time. Although he does explore other parts of the universe, so it's not a constant time on Earth.

Jack is from the Boeshane Peninsula, which was located on one of Earth's colony worlds in the 51st century. According to some Dr Who episode, if I remember it correctly. He was also nicknamed "The face of Boe", when he joined the time agency.



Edited, Sep 15th 2011 6:39pm by Nilatai
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#30 Sep 15 2011 at 5:47 PM Rating: Decent
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Nilatai wrote:
TirithRR the Eccentric wrote:
Early Torchwood Spoilers
Ya, Jack was buried under Cardiff for nearly 2000 years. It was 27 AD that they teleported back to when his brother did it. And maybe I'm wrong, but isn't Jack from a future Earth? 51st century or some thing. Or maybe it's not supposed to be Earth... I guess they didn't really explain Where his home was, just When it was. I'm not sure if Boeshane Pennisula is known to be on or not on Earth. Either way, he's been alive for a long time, and been on Earth for a long time. Although he does explore other parts of the universe, so it's not a constant time on Earth.

Jack is from the Boeshane Peninsula, which was located on one of Earth's colony worlds in the 51st century. According to some Dr Who episode, if I remember it correctly. He was also nicknamed "The face of Boe", when he joined the time agency.



Edited, Sep 15th 2011 6:39pm by Nilatai


The face of Boe is a giant face in a tank that was apparently good friends with the Dr. He's actually in the first episode of the the 2005 series and popped up a couple more times before eventually dying when his tank was damaged. There are no direct connections between Jack and Boe beyond a two minute conversation at the end of some episode of Dr. Who that I don't recall the specifics of, though I think it was from Season 2. If there was any hints to Jack and Boe somehow being the same creature at different points of their lives in Torchwood, I'm not aware of it.
#31 Sep 15 2011 at 5:52 PM Rating: Decent
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Turin wrote:
Nilatai wrote:
TirithRR the Eccentric wrote:
Early Torchwood Spoilers
Ya, Jack was buried under Cardiff for nearly 2000 years. It was 27 AD that they teleported back to when his brother did it. And maybe I'm wrong, but isn't Jack from a future Earth? 51st century or some thing. Or maybe it's not supposed to be Earth... I guess they didn't really explain Where his home was, just When it was. I'm not sure if Boeshane Pennisula is known to be on or not on Earth. Either way, he's been alive for a long time, and been on Earth for a long time. Although he does explore other parts of the universe, so it's not a constant time on Earth.

Jack is from the Boeshane Peninsula, which was located on one of Earth's colony worlds in the 51st century. According to some Dr Who episode, if I remember it correctly. He was also nicknamed "The face of Boe", when he joined the time agency.



Edited, Sep 15th 2011 6:39pm by Nilatai


The face of Boe is a giant face in a tank that was apparently good friends with the Dr. He's actually in the first episode of the the 2005 series and popped up a couple more times before eventually dying when his tank was damaged. There are no direct connections between Jack and Boe beyond a two minute conversation at the end of some episode of Dr. Who that I don't recall the specifics of, though I think it was from Season 2. If there was any hints to Jack and Boe somehow being the same creature at different points of their lives in Torchwood, I'm not aware of it.


Pretty sure that the little conversation is the only hint in the Dr. Who universe that Jack = Boe. But people run with it, and that conversation was probably deliberately put in there to make people lean to that conclusion. I'm pretty sure Torchwood never mentions the Face of Boe.
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#32 Sep 15 2011 at 6:05 PM Rating: Good
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TirithRR the Eccentric wrote:
Turin wrote:
Nilatai wrote:
TirithRR the Eccentric wrote:
Early Torchwood Spoilers
Ya, Jack was buried under Cardiff for nearly 2000 years. It was 27 AD that they teleported back to when his brother did it. And maybe I'm wrong, but isn't Jack from a future Earth? 51st century or some thing. Or maybe it's not supposed to be Earth... I guess they didn't really explain Where his home was, just When it was. I'm not sure if Boeshane Pennisula is known to be on or not on Earth. Either way, he's been alive for a long time, and been on Earth for a long time. Although he does explore other parts of the universe, so it's not a constant time on Earth.

Jack is from the Boeshane Peninsula, which was located on one of Earth's colony worlds in the 51st century. According to some Dr Who episode, if I remember it correctly. He was also nicknamed "The face of Boe", when he joined the time agency.



Edited, Sep 15th 2011 6:39pm by Nilatai


The face of Boe is a giant face in a tank that was apparently good friends with the Dr. He's actually in the first episode of the the 2005 series and popped up a couple more times before eventually dying when his tank was damaged. There are no direct connections between Jack and Boe beyond a two minute conversation at the end of some episode of Dr. Who that I don't recall the specifics of, though I think it was from Season 2. If there was any hints to Jack and Boe somehow being the same creature at different points of their lives in Torchwood, I'm not aware of it.


Pretty sure that the little conversation is the only hint in the Dr. Who universe that Jack = Boe. But people run with it, and that conversation was probably deliberately put in there to make people lean to that conclusion. I'm pretty sure Torchwood never mentions the Face of Boe.

Torchwood never does. The clues are there though, I mean, Jack is there when The Master makes his reappearance in Dr. Who, so he would be in the perfect position to tell the Doctor "you are not alone". I think Davies said in an interview somewhere that it's the case, I'll try and find it.


edit: Never mind, found this on tardis.wikia.com - "While promoting Torchwood: Miracle Day, Davies insisted that the idea of Jack living to become the Face of Boe is just a conjecture, and the possibility of Jack not surviving Torchwood remains"

This is what got all the conjecture started, though:



Edited, Sep 15th 2011 8:10pm by Nilatai
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#33 Sep 15 2011 at 6:10 PM Rating: Good
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Nilatai wrote:
TirithRR the Eccentric wrote:
Turin wrote:
Nilatai wrote:
TirithRR the Eccentric wrote:
Early Torchwood Spoilers
Ya, Jack was buried under Cardiff for nearly 2000 years. It was 27 AD that they teleported back to when his brother did it. And maybe I'm wrong, but isn't Jack from a future Earth? 51st century or some thing. Or maybe it's not supposed to be Earth... I guess they didn't really explain Where his home was, just When it was. I'm not sure if Boeshane Pennisula is known to be on or not on Earth. Either way, he's been alive for a long time, and been on Earth for a long time. Although he does explore other parts of the universe, so it's not a constant time on Earth.

Jack is from the Boeshane Peninsula, which was located on one of Earth's colony worlds in the 51st century. According to some Dr Who episode, if I remember it correctly. He was also nicknamed "The face of Boe", when he joined the time agency.



Edited, Sep 15th 2011 6:39pm by Nilatai


The face of Boe is a giant face in a tank that was apparently good friends with the Dr. He's actually in the first episode of the the 2005 series and popped up a couple more times before eventually dying when his tank was damaged. There are no direct connections between Jack and Boe beyond a two minute conversation at the end of some episode of Dr. Who that I don't recall the specifics of, though I think it was from Season 2. If there was any hints to Jack and Boe somehow being the same creature at different points of their lives in Torchwood, I'm not aware of it.


Pretty sure that the little conversation is the only hint in the Dr. Who universe that Jack = Boe. But people run with it, and that conversation was probably deliberately put in there to make people lean to that conclusion. I'm pretty sure Torchwood never mentions the Face of Boe.

Torchwood never does. The clues are there though, I mean, Jack is there when The Master makes his reappearance in Dr. Who, so he would be in the perfect position to tell the Doctor "you are not alone". I think Davies said in an interview somewhere that it's the case, I'll try and find it.


Ya, I've read in a few places that it's speculated that Rose's incident didn't make Jack immortal forever, merely long enough for him to be able to tell the doctor about the Master's existence. Seems like an awful way to do a pretty simple thing. Poor Jack.
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#34 Sep 15 2011 at 10:15 PM Rating: Good
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RTD stating that Jack is not the Face when he introducing the idea Jack might be able to die is not at all surprising. He is trying to make Touchwood into a stand alone spin off after all. It really just a mature rated Doctor Who even going as far as having death follow Jack every where. Even those that don't die are left scared and generally messed up.

Children of Earth had a much more coherent plot and a real heart jerking ending.
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