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#1 Jul 15 2011 at 2:20 PM Rating: Good
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So I know a lot of people here watch Doctor Who, but does anyone watch Torchwood? First episode was awesome. I'm kind of wondering where they're going with it now that it seems that Jack has lost his immortality for the same reason the rest of the world seems to be undying. I'm also curious as to what the death row prisoner's involvement is in the grand scheme of things.

Hopefully the rest of this season is just as good if not better.
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Having not seen The first series and fairly Little of Doctor Who, I thought Miracle Day was acceptable for a western drama. They took a fairly interesting approach to immortality, and I hope their setting remains interesting throughout. I found the rocket launching cleanly through the house, missing everything, to be a fairly hilarious failure.

Perhaps it was because the episode spent a lot of time introducing the setting or perhaps because the writers expected everyone to have seen the first season, but I found most of the characters to be fairly dull. The convict and CIA agent appear to be the only people who aren't Daleks in disguise.
#3 Jul 15 2011 at 3:01 PM Rating: Excellent
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It seems to me that they managed to copy Jack's power across the entire planet (perhaps with another copy of the "Immortality" Gate from "The End of Time"), therefore draining Jack of his semi-immortality. My issue with this theory is that if the humans are using Jack's powers then why hasn't Mr. CIA's wounds repaired themselves already.
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It was a good opening episode, I'm eagerly awaiting the rest. (off to watch the second episode now) Although I didn't really care for the series, definitely not season one, the third miniseason was really good. (apart from a couple of really stupid twists and turns)

I'm just hoping they won't get tied into Jack's past again. If there's one plot trick they overused, it would be that one, it's all Jack's fault somehow by things he's done in the past and is now coming back to haunt them all. Been there and done that is an understatement really.


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Oh it's a continuation. I watched it without reading up on it or watching its prequels. I'll have to look into that because I was a bit lost. I liked it though.
#6 Jul 17 2011 at 7:25 PM Rating: Good
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Never watched Torchwood, so I only know about it from Dr. Who, but so far I don't hate it. We'll see if it's going anywhere. Though I have a hard time taking the CIA guy played by that dude from Seinfeld seriously.

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Never watched Torchwood, so the I only know about from Dr. Who, but so far I don't hate it. We'll see if it's going anywhere. Though I have a hard time taking the CIA guy played by that dude from Seinfeld seriously.


You mean Dennis Nedry? Yeah, I'm just waiting for the aliens to eat him at this point.
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Miracle Day seems to have a much different feel to it than the previous seasons. I liked Season 2 and Children of Earth of a lot more than Season 1.

Last weeks episode... crazy. I knew what was going to happen with Vera when she started yelling at the guy, but was kind of suprised that they (the writers) did it so quickly. While watching it, it was obvious it was going to happen, but it was just "wow, didn't expect them to do that." And previously putting the Tea Party bitch into the compactor...

This weeks episode airs in 45 minutes, so we'll see where it goes from here. Can't wait to see Mr. Black CIA destroy the guy who killed Vera though. Pretty sure that has to happen.

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I can't really get into this season. I hate this I can't explain why I don't like it with out spoiling one of the main plot devices. If you been following doctor who since the rebot you know what I mean.
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I'm finding the characters to be fairly random episode to episode. Some major swings in their actions. Vera being the biggest one. Her death was caused by a what seemed to be a completely out of character burst. Gwen seems to be back and forth as well. In this last episode she goes on and on about how horrible the nurse is for putting up with the evil of burning the Category 1 patients. Yet in the preview for the next episode she pretty much says to Jack "Screw you, I don't care if they kill you, I'm getting my child back." She seems to have adapted a more "Rhys" type personality than in the previous seasons. Rhys seemed to be pretty unstable in the whole series. One episode he'd be all loving and putting up with Gwen, the next he'd be screaming and yelling and borderline domestic disturbance.
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I'm just waiting to find out who's behind the whole and and why so I can be suitably disappointed at all the build up to will probably be a fairly silly and completely unbelievable ending.
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I'm just waiting to find out who's behind the whole and and why so I can be suitably disappointed at all the build up to will probably be a fairly silly and completely unbelievable ending.


It will be Jack's Mother, who still hates him for letting go of his brother's hand.

But really, it will end up being some random person who Jack met in the past and is harboring ill feelings towards him.


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TirithRR the Eccentric wrote:
Turin wrote:
I'm just waiting to find out who's behind the whole and and why so I can be suitably disappointed at all the build up to will probably be a fairly silly and completely unbelievable ending.


It will be Jack's Mother, who still hates him for letting go of his brother's hand.

But really, it will end up being some random person who Jack met in the past and is harboring ill feelings towards him.


Edited, Aug 13th 2011 8:56pm by TirithRR


Yeah, given what that hitman said, it's quite likely that Jack's past is involved, again, just like a heck of a lot of episodes and also the previous season

I am curious as to what that Chinese employer from Phycor saw that made him jump of a building, trying to kill himself. Also, there are only 10 episodes I believe, so now there are only 4 left to build up who is really doing this and how they are going to stop them. Although I do like how they are presenting it all, I just hope they don't take it too slow now.
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TirithRR the Eccentric wrote:
I'm finding the characters to be fairly random episode to episode. Some major swings in their actions. Vera being the biggest one. Her death was caused by a what seemed to be a completely out of character burst. Gwen seems to be back and forth as well. In this last episode she goes on and on about how horrible the nurse is for putting up with the evil of burning the Category 1 patients. Yet in the preview for the next episode she pretty much says to Jack "Screw you, I don't care if they kill you, I'm getting my child back." She seems to have adapted a more "Rhys" type personality than in the previous seasons. Rhys seemed to be pretty unstable in the whole series. One episode he'd be all loving and putting up with Gwen, the next he'd be screaming and yelling and borderline domestic disturbance.


If you look at the Wikipedia page for the series you can see that each episode was written by a different writer(s). This would explain the personality shifts between each episode.

The guy who played Colin Maloney was good, his acting reminded me a lot of John Malkovich's style.
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Well, we found out a little more this episode. With only one episode left in the season I wonder if this storyline will be wrapped up, or if it will continue into another season?

I think the question now is; Was Jack's blood what created The Blessing, or is The Blessing just attracting Jack's blood to it, and that is how the three families stumbled upon it's location (They had all that blood harvested from Jack)?

I'm thinking the end all of this series won't end up being someone/thing related to Jack. Instead, Jack's blood just gave the families the ability to find the Blessing. Jack's blood ends up being attracted to the two cities, and the three families, smart enough to realize they are directly opposite each other start digging. They unearth the Blessing when they make it all the way through.

The Blessing is strange though, I don't know why things would be floating around at the top of the hole. Doesn't really make sense. Neither does a hole going all the way through the Earth.
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TirithRR the Eccentric wrote:
Well, we found out a little more this episode. With only one episode left in the season I wonder if this storyline will be wrapped up, or if it will continue into another season?

I think the question now is; Was Jack's blood what created The Blessing, or is The Blessing just attracting Jack's blood to it, and that is how the three families stumbled upon it's location (They had all that blood harvested from Jack)?

I'm thinking the end all of this series won't end up being someone/thing related to Jack. Instead, Jack's blood just gave the families the ability to find the Blessing. Jack's blood ends up being attracted to the two cities, and the three families, smart enough to realize they are directly opposite each other start digging. They unearth the Blessing when they make it all the way through.

The Blessing is strange though, I don't know why things would be floating around at the top of the hole. Doesn't really make sense. Neither does a hole going all the way through the Earth.


I'm going with The Blessing being an alien life-form that was imprisoned in the center of the Earth, like how The Beast was imprisoned in the planet next to the Black Hole and Abbadon was imprisoned in The Rift. It feeds on Temporal energy, which Jack is full of, and excretes the immorality effect like it was the morning after Taco Bell night.
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TirithRR the Eccentric wrote:
Well, we found out a little more this episode. With only one episode left in the season I wonder if this storyline will be wrapped up, or if it will continue into another season?

I think the question now is; Was Jack's blood what created The Blessing, or is The Blessing just attracting Jack's blood to it, and that is how the three families stumbled upon it's location (They had all that blood harvested from Jack)?

I'm thinking the end all of this series won't end up being someone/thing related to Jack. Instead, Jack's blood just gave the families the ability to find the Blessing. Jack's blood ends up being attracted to the two cities, and the three families, smart enough to realize they are directly opposite each other start digging. They unearth the Blessing when they make it all the way through.

The Blessing is strange though, I don't know why things would be floating around at the top of the hole. Doesn't really make sense. Neither does a hole going all the way through the Earth.



I was wondering about that too, it would seem likely that the next season will continue with the story, I just can't see how they're going to wrap everything up decently in just one more episode. They could, but it would be rather odd if they did.
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I just watched the new episode last night, and the only thing I took from it was the blessing is a giant vagina made out of stone that for some inexplicable reason is surrounded by rocks that can defy gravity.

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I just watched the new episode last night, and the only thing I took from it was the blessing is a giant vagina made out of stone that for some inexplicable reason is surrounded by rocks that can defy gravity.

Edited, Sep 5th 2011 4:47pm by Turin


They're just floating on an infinite earthen queef.
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Haven't bother watching or going out my way for this spin off but the Ifblessing made out of stone and feeds off energy its seems to be ripping off the weeping Angles.
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Haven't bother watching or going out my way for this spin off but the Ifblessing made out of stone and feeds off energy its seems to be ripping off the weeping Angles.


So far there is no evidence that it feeds off of energy, or is made of stone. Pretty much all we know right now is:

The Blessing exists in a hole that goes straight through the center of the Earth, which was dug by the Three Families.
The Blessing is somehow related to people being unable to die.
Jack's blood is attracted to The Blessing.
Access to The Blessing is controlled by the Three Families.
How much the The Families know about The Blessing is unknown.

So, I really don't think it can be ripping off the Weeping Angels.

I'm thinking that The Blessing won't be a Being, but a rip/tear in the Space/Time similar to the Rift, and the energy given off by it is what is causing The Miracle. Once they completely unearthed The Blessing, the energy was no longer insulated. I think this would explain why people are given "visions" when they look into The Blessing, and why Jack's little buddy was able to nullify the energy and die.


I'm curious:
How mortal is Jack? Is he truly mortal, as in, he will die rather than become a Category 1? Or is is merely no longer insta-immortal, in that he'll get injured as a normal person, and will be "dead" yet still living if he received a mortal wound.

So far I don't think there is any evidence he is mortal, other than he can get injured now instead of healing all the time. I think somehow The Blessing's energy (being a Time/Space disturbance) has interfered with Jack's "fixed point in Time" status. He's been separated, but may still just be a living dead person as everyone else because of the new energy around humans.
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TirithRR the Eccentric wrote:
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Haven't bother watching or going out my way for this spin off but the Ifblessing made out of stone and feeds off energy its seems to be ripping off the weeping Angles.


So far there is no evidence that it feeds off of energy, or is made of stone. Pretty much all we know right now is:

The Blessing exists in a hole that goes straight through the center of the Earth, which was dug by the Three Families.
The Blessing is somehow related to people being unable to die.
Jack's blood is attracted to The Blessing.
Access to The Blessing is controlled by the Three Families.
How much the The Families know about The Blessing is unknown.

So, I really don't think it can be ripping off the Weeping Angels.

I'm thinking that The Blessing won't be a Being, but a rip/tear in the Space/Time similar to the Rift, and the energy given off by it is what is causing The Miracle. Once they completely unearthed The Blessing, the energy was no longer insulated. I think this would explain why people are given "visions" when they look into The Blessing, and why Jack's little buddy was able to nullify the energy and die.


I'm curious:
How mortal is Jack? Is he truly mortal, as in, he will die rather than become a Category 1? Or is is merely no longer insta-immortal, in that he'll get injured as a normal person, and will be "dead" yet still living if he received a mortal wound.

So far I don't think there is any evidence he is mortal, other than he can get injured now instead of healing all the time. I think somehow The Blessing's energy (being a Time/Space disturbance) has interfered with Jack's "fixed point in Time" status. He's been separated, but may still just be a living dead person as everyone else because of the new energy around humans.



I just can't get into this. Unless the break the connection to Doctor Who, which they could get away with after the Doctor rebooted creation we know the moment Jack dies. Yes time can be rewritten but since that came under RTD era I doubt it will happen. So any danger to Jack has little to move me. I liked it when it was more like the Doctor where you knew he would live but have to watch everyone come and go and what choices he made was who would die in his place and the conflict that brought.
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Well, They wrapped it up, and started another thing, in the last episode of the season.

They ended up doing it wrong. They kept the whole "Jack's Blood is Magic" thing going. Which is strange since I'm pretty sure they had Jack say numerous times during the season that his blood isn't the answer. It just doesn't fit Jack's true origins or what they've stated about Jack in this season.

Right now it looks like Rex inherited Jack's abilities through his Blood, yet it could be that the Three Families' "Plan B" just involves everyone healing now. It all depends on if Willis stands up as well. Seems kind of counterproductive to their plans though, why have everyone heal instantly if they stockpiled painkillers and medications for decades.


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Yeah that sounds like a bit of a let down. Really in the 200 years or so Jack was stuck on earth he never thought of that. That what I find a bit weird. Really not feeling either show much anymore. Really looks like they are trying to hard to distance it from Doctor Who. This is what I don't like about spin offs.
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Yeah that sounds like a bit of a let down. Really in the 200 years or so Jack was stuck on earth he never thought of that. That what I find a bit weird. Really not feeling either show much anymore. Really looks like they are trying to hard to distance it from Doctor Who. This is what I don't like about spin offs.


Wasn't Jack buried alive by his brother for over 1000 or so years? somewhere in season 2? That would make him stuck on earth for some time longer than 200 years.

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Yeah that sounds like a bit of a let down. Really in the 200 years or so Jack was stuck on earth he never thought of that. That what I find a bit weird. Really not feeling either show much anymore. Really looks like they are trying to hard to distance it from Doctor Who. This is what I don't like about spin offs.


Wasn't Jack buried alive by his brother for over 1000 or so years? somewhere in season 2? That would make him stuck on earth for some time longer than 200 years.



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Ya, Jack was buried under Cardiff for nearly 2000 years. It was 27 AD that they teleported back to when his brother did it. And maybe I'm wrong, but isn't Jack from a future Earth? 51st century or some thing. Or maybe it's not supposed to be Earth... I guess they didn't really explain Where his home was, just When it was. I'm not sure if Boeshane Pennisula is known to be on or not on Earth. Either way, he's been alive for a long time, and been on Earth for a long time. Although he does explore other parts of the universe, so it's not a constant time on Earth.

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I just don't like the way they linked The Blessing and Jack, or the way they opened the next season. Seems like they could have done better by moving away from the "Magic Blood" view.
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Yeah that sounds like a bit of a let down. Really in the 200 years or so Jack was stuck on earth he never thought of that. That what I find a bit weird. Really not feeling either show much anymore. Really looks like they are trying to hard to distance it from Doctor Who. This is what I don't like about spin offs.


Wasn't Jack buried alive by his brother for over 1000 or so years? somewhere in season 2? That would make him stuck on earth for some time longer than 200 years.



the Doctor leaves him on Earth after becoming what he is now and is picked up by Torchwood for 200 years till he runs off with the doctor again when they find the Master is still alive. The Master steals the Tardis but the Doctor fusses the controls so he can on travel between the end of the universe and Martha time and at the end of that whole ark is when we find out who Jack becomes. IIRC its season 4 finally. That is his last appearance in Doctor who. I not sure if the first season of Torchwood happens before or after this but for at least 200 years he is on Earth walking around with everyone. Not to mention that would have been really useful for Children of Earth what happen with Rex.

Long and the short Watch season 1 of the reboot and the season 4 of Doctor who and you will know the origins of Jack and what will happen to him. That's all I will say on that any more it kinda messes up the wow of the set up over 4 years.

Yes Jack is a Time agent(i think) form the 51st century the Doctor finds him sometime in the blitz of London and Jack runs off with the Doctor and Rose.


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Well, They wrapped it up, and started another thing, in the last episode of the season.

They ended up doing it wrong. They kept the whole "Jack's Blood is Magic" thing going. Which is strange since I'm pretty sure they had Jack say numerous times during the season that his blood isn't the answer. It just doesn't fit Jack's true origins or what they've stated about Jack in this season.

Right now it looks like Rex inherited Jack's abilities through his Blood, yet it could be that the Three Families' "Plan B" just involves everyone healing now. It all depends on if Willis stands up as well. Seems kind of counterproductive to their plans though, why have everyone heal instantly if they stockpiled painkillers and medications for decades.


Did I enjoy watching? Yes. Did I think it ended well. No.


I liked the first three or four episodes, the build up was quite well done. I just didn't get a good feeling about how some things were wrapped up rather quickly and other things were left for later seasons. Sure, it's not a bad thing that the three families are still around to mess with Torchwood, but for instance the characters of Kitzinger and Oswald Daines I felt were seriously underused or oddly used. I just couldn't really figure Daines out to be honest, his behaviour was quite erratic, which was the point I suppose but it never felt right for me. And Kitzinger did nothing but run around and shout from time to time, at first she was mysterious and about the only face that could be connected to the real threat, then they made her out to do absolutely nothing in the end. Except to definitely be important in the next season.

It just seems a waste of bringing her up all the episodes and do so little with her character.

And I suppose Jack's blood isn't really magical, just a scientific use of it I suppose. It does feel a bit simplistic.

Still good of them not to include aliens, so far anyway.
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Ya, Jack was buried under Cardiff for nearly 2000 years. It was 27 AD that they teleported back to when his brother did it. And maybe I'm wrong, but isn't Jack from a future Earth? 51st century or some thing. Or maybe it's not supposed to be Earth... I guess they didn't really explain Where his home was, just When it was. I'm not sure if Boeshane Pennisula is known to be on or not on Earth. Either way, he's been alive for a long time, and been on Earth for a long time. Although he does explore other parts of the universe, so it's not a constant time on Earth.

Jack is from the Boeshane Peninsula, which was located on one of Earth's colony worlds in the 51st century. According to some Dr Who episode, if I remember it correctly. He was also nicknamed "The face of Boe", when he joined the time agency.



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Nilatai wrote:
TirithRR the Eccentric wrote:
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Ya, Jack was buried under Cardiff for nearly 2000 years. It was 27 AD that they teleported back to when his brother did it. And maybe I'm wrong, but isn't Jack from a future Earth? 51st century or some thing. Or maybe it's not supposed to be Earth... I guess they didn't really explain Where his home was, just When it was. I'm not sure if Boeshane Pennisula is known to be on or not on Earth. Either way, he's been alive for a long time, and been on Earth for a long time. Although he does explore other parts of the universe, so it's not a constant time on Earth.

Jack is from the Boeshane Peninsula, which was located on one of Earth's colony worlds in the 51st century. According to some Dr Who episode, if I remember it correctly. He was also nicknamed "The face of Boe", when he joined the time agency.



Edited, Sep 15th 2011 6:39pm by Nilatai


The face of Boe is a giant face in a tank that was apparently good friends with the Dr. He's actually in the first episode of the the 2005 series and popped up a couple more times before eventually dying when his tank was damaged. There are no direct connections between Jack and Boe beyond a two minute conversation at the end of some episode of Dr. Who that I don't recall the specifics of, though I think it was from Season 2. If there was any hints to Jack and Boe somehow being the same creature at different points of their lives in Torchwood, I'm not aware of it.
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Turin wrote:
Nilatai wrote:
TirithRR the Eccentric wrote:
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Ya, Jack was buried under Cardiff for nearly 2000 years. It was 27 AD that they teleported back to when his brother did it. And maybe I'm wrong, but isn't Jack from a future Earth? 51st century or some thing. Or maybe it's not supposed to be Earth... I guess they didn't really explain Where his home was, just When it was. I'm not sure if Boeshane Pennisula is known to be on or not on Earth. Either way, he's been alive for a long time, and been on Earth for a long time. Although he does explore other parts of the universe, so it's not a constant time on Earth.

Jack is from the Boeshane Peninsula, which was located on one of Earth's colony worlds in the 51st century. According to some Dr Who episode, if I remember it correctly. He was also nicknamed "The face of Boe", when he joined the time agency.



Edited, Sep 15th 2011 6:39pm by Nilatai


The face of Boe is a giant face in a tank that was apparently good friends with the Dr. He's actually in the first episode of the the 2005 series and popped up a couple more times before eventually dying when his tank was damaged. There are no direct connections between Jack and Boe beyond a two minute conversation at the end of some episode of Dr. Who that I don't recall the specifics of, though I think it was from Season 2. If there was any hints to Jack and Boe somehow being the same creature at different points of their lives in Torchwood, I'm not aware of it.


Pretty sure that the little conversation is the only hint in the Dr. Who universe that Jack = Boe. But people run with it, and that conversation was probably deliberately put in there to make people lean to that conclusion. I'm pretty sure Torchwood never mentions the Face of Boe.
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Ya, Jack was buried under Cardiff for nearly 2000 years. It was 27 AD that they teleported back to when his brother did it. And maybe I'm wrong, but isn't Jack from a future Earth? 51st century or some thing. Or maybe it's not supposed to be Earth... I guess they didn't really explain Where his home was, just When it was. I'm not sure if Boeshane Pennisula is known to be on or not on Earth. Either way, he's been alive for a long time, and been on Earth for a long time. Although he does explore other parts of the universe, so it's not a constant time on Earth.

Jack is from the Boeshane Peninsula, which was located on one of Earth's colony worlds in the 51st century. According to some Dr Who episode, if I remember it correctly. He was also nicknamed "The face of Boe", when he joined the time agency.



Edited, Sep 15th 2011 6:39pm by Nilatai


The face of Boe is a giant face in a tank that was apparently good friends with the Dr. He's actually in the first episode of the the 2005 series and popped up a couple more times before eventually dying when his tank was damaged. There are no direct connections between Jack and Boe beyond a two minute conversation at the end of some episode of Dr. Who that I don't recall the specifics of, though I think it was from Season 2. If there was any hints to Jack and Boe somehow being the same creature at different points of their lives in Torchwood, I'm not aware of it.


Pretty sure that the little conversation is the only hint in the Dr. Who universe that Jack = Boe. But people run with it, and that conversation was probably deliberately put in there to make people lean to that conclusion. I'm pretty sure Torchwood never mentions the Face of Boe.

Torchwood never does. The clues are there though, I mean, Jack is there when The Master makes his reappearance in Dr. Who, so he would be in the perfect position to tell the Doctor "you are not alone". I think Davies said in an interview somewhere that it's the case, I'll try and find it.


edit: Never mind, found this on tardis.wikia.com - "While promoting Torchwood: Miracle Day, Davies insisted that the idea of Jack living to become the Face of Boe is just a conjecture, and the possibility of Jack not surviving Torchwood remains"

This is what got all the conjecture started, though:



Edited, Sep 15th 2011 8:10pm by Nilatai
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Nilatai wrote:
TirithRR the Eccentric wrote:
Turin wrote:
Nilatai wrote:
TirithRR the Eccentric wrote:
Early Torchwood Spoilers
Ya, Jack was buried under Cardiff for nearly 2000 years. It was 27 AD that they teleported back to when his brother did it. And maybe I'm wrong, but isn't Jack from a future Earth? 51st century or some thing. Or maybe it's not supposed to be Earth... I guess they didn't really explain Where his home was, just When it was. I'm not sure if Boeshane Pennisula is known to be on or not on Earth. Either way, he's been alive for a long time, and been on Earth for a long time. Although he does explore other parts of the universe, so it's not a constant time on Earth.

Jack is from the Boeshane Peninsula, which was located on one of Earth's colony worlds in the 51st century. According to some Dr Who episode, if I remember it correctly. He was also nicknamed "The face of Boe", when he joined the time agency.



Edited, Sep 15th 2011 6:39pm by Nilatai


The face of Boe is a giant face in a tank that was apparently good friends with the Dr. He's actually in the first episode of the the 2005 series and popped up a couple more times before eventually dying when his tank was damaged. There are no direct connections between Jack and Boe beyond a two minute conversation at the end of some episode of Dr. Who that I don't recall the specifics of, though I think it was from Season 2. If there was any hints to Jack and Boe somehow being the same creature at different points of their lives in Torchwood, I'm not aware of it.


Pretty sure that the little conversation is the only hint in the Dr. Who universe that Jack = Boe. But people run with it, and that conversation was probably deliberately put in there to make people lean to that conclusion. I'm pretty sure Torchwood never mentions the Face of Boe.

Torchwood never does. The clues are there though, I mean, Jack is there when The Master makes his reappearance in Dr. Who, so he would be in the perfect position to tell the Doctor "you are not alone". I think Davies said in an interview somewhere that it's the case, I'll try and find it.


Ya, I've read in a few places that it's speculated that Rose's incident didn't make Jack immortal forever, merely long enough for him to be able to tell the doctor about the Master's existence. Seems like an awful way to do a pretty simple thing. Poor Jack.
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RTD stating that Jack is not the Face when he introducing the idea Jack might be able to die is not at all surprising. He is trying to make Touchwood into a stand alone spin off after all. It really just a mature rated Doctor Who even going as far as having death follow Jack every where. Even those that don't die are left scared and generally messed up.

Children of Earth had a much more coherent plot and a real heart jerking ending.
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