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#1 Jul 12 2011 at 9:23 PM Rating: Good
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We already suspected it, but Naruto is finally entering the wind down stage. (Once every single character who ever died came back as a zombie, that was a big clue right there.)

Kishimoto is tying up loose ends like nobody's business. I suspect the series has less than a hundred chapters to go, unless he decides to jump the shark and do another arc. Considering the epic conclusion the current arc is rolling to, I'd be really disappointed if that happened.

So if you've been debating whether to read the Naruto manga but didn't want to bother since it's one of those shounen series that are powered by the Energizer Bunny, you may not have more than 1-2 years more to go!

In other news, One Piece will never end. Ever.

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In other news, One Piece will never end. Ever.
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I'm more than willing to bet that sharks will be jumped.
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I'm not entirely sure, the Akatsuki might be dealt with, with whatever losses that will bring, but there's still the other part of the story with Sasuki Uchiha. I haven't seen him around much.


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And I stopped reading the manga right after Naruto defeated Nagato.

I got to the point where the 8 tails was introduced. And I realized that I hated way more characters than I liked, and was consistently disappointed by the amount of plot per chapter and the ratio of events to reaction shots or panels that were just pieces of scenery or close-ups on leaves or flashbacks.
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I'm sure it'll end with a showdown between Naruto and Sasuke. Can't see that not happening.
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As someone who knows only a little about Naruto but has no plans to read/watch it, could someone explain to me what ever happened to Sasuke? I know he turned evil or something but I would have assumed that that would have changed. I guess he's still a bad guy? Is he a major presence throughout the series or not really?
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As someone who knows only a little about Naruto but has no plans to read/watch it, could someone explain to me what ever happened to Sasuke? I know he turned evil or something but I would have assumed that that would have changed. I guess he's still a bad guy? Is he a major presence throughout the series or not really?


He's moved up to "Enemy of the World" status. Whether it is a plot to get close enough to the Big Bad to kill him is yet to be seen (but most likely).
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Sasuke is an important element in the Naruto storyline throughout, and it pretty much Naruto's raison d'etre. He isn't the ultimate big bad from the perspective of the characters, but he is the narrative embodiment of everything Naruto must conquer, and so it is likely he will be the final confrontation.

Most everything that has happened in Naruto since the beginning of the 4th great ninja way has been another high point for the series. Also, I realize Naruto became the butt of a lot of shounen mockery, but honestly it does have the most literary value of any of the big 5-6 shounens.

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And I stopped reading the manga right after Naruto defeated Nagato.

I got to the point where the 8 tails was introduced. And I realized that I hated way more characters than I liked, and was consistently disappointed by the amount of plot per chapter and the ratio of events to reaction shots or panels that were just pieces of scenery or close-ups on leaves or flashbacks.


I really didn't see it until now, lol, I'ld say I'm too lazy to alter it but then I wouldn't post this either so I'll just blame it on unconsciously wanting it to rhyme with akatsuki.
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As someone who knows only a little about Naruto but has no plans to read/watch it, could someone explain to me what ever happened to Sasuke? I know he turned evil or something but I would have assumed that that would have changed. I guess he's still a bad guy? Is he a major presence throughout the series or not really?


Abridged history up until I stopped reading (two to three years ago):
-Sasuke is an emo kid who hates everyone.
-Sasuke ends up as a rival for Naruto.
-Naruto's powers, which only occasionally appear, are a point of jealousy.
-Sasuke comes to care about his teammates, begrudginly, but is still jealous of Naruto.
-He gets bitten by Orochimaru and is branded with a cursed seal.
-His jealousy of Naruto hits its boiling point after Naruto learns an extremely powerful technique that he can use at will. Plus, his brother (who killed their clan) comes to take Naruto, and pwns Sasuke's ass.
-Sasuke leaves to join Orochimaru.
-He and Naruto have a battle that culminates in Nartuo left unconscious after Sasuke fully unlocks his seal, but Sasuke chooses not to kill him (as he had pledged to, to unlock his ultimate power).
-Sasuke isn't seen for 190 episodes (FILLER!) or... 50 chapters?
-Sasuke meets his old teammates and almost kills Naruto.
-Sasuke kills Orochimaru.
-Sasuke forms a group.
-Sasuke kills Itachi (his brother) and renames the group. (I say "kills" but Itachi was dying from a disease, had just given some of his power to Naruto, was nearly blind, and was TRYING to lose... and Sasuke only just managed to win).
-Sasuke joins Akatsuki, the main villains, who want to rule the world or something and are led by the guy who probably set the nine-tailed fox on Konoha.
-Last I heard, he was trying to destroy all the ninja villages or something.


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That's about exactly where the anime is.
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Honestly, the fact that Sasuke was consistently making retarded, illogical choices that make no sense at all in the context of anything was one of the main reasons I lost interest in the series.

Well, that and the fact that you got about 3 panels of plot a chapter, and the anime (if you lucked into it not being filler) was about 90% flashbacks.
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I feel the series peaked at the Chunin Exam arc.
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I actually really enjoyed the Pein battle.

The Itachi-Sasuke battle was one of the biggest let-downs ever.

But yeah, the Chuunin arc was great. It helps that it was basically the last time that team-based combat was a part of the series... After that, it was almost completely 1v1, even when teams were fighting. They tried to pretend like they'd include more of it at the start of the Shippuuden chapters, with Naruto and Sakura working together, but nope. That's about it for the rest of the series.

You do get SOME teamwork with Sasuke's group. But I hate the lot of them, so I didn't really enjoy it.
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As someone who knows only a little about Naruto but has no plans to read/watch it, could someone explain to me what ever happened to Sasuke? I know he turned evil or something but I would have assumed that that would have changed. I guess he's still a bad guy? Is he a major presence throughout the series or not really?


Abridged history up until I stopped reading (two to three years ago):
-Sasuke is an emo kid who hates everyone.
-Sasuke ends up as a rival for Naruto.
-Naruto's powers, which only occasionally appear, are a point of jealousy.
-Sasuke comes to care about his teammates, begrudginly, but is still jealous of Naruto.
-He gets bitten by Orochimaru and is branded with a cursed seal.
-His jealousy of Naruto hits its boiling point after Naruto learns an extremely powerful technique that he can use at will. Plus, his brother (who killed their clan) comes to take Naruto, and pwns Sasuke's ass.
-Sasuke leaves to join Orochimaru.
-He and Naruto have a battle that culminates in Nartuo left unconscious after Sasuke fully unlocks his seal, but Sasuke chooses not to kill him (as he had pledged to, to unlock his ultimate power).
-Sasuke isn't seen for 190 episodes (FILLER!) or... 50 chapters?
-Sasuke meets his old teammates and almost kills Naruto.
-Sasuke kills Orochimaru.
-Sasuke forms a group.
-Sasuke kills Itachi (his brother) and renames the group. (I say "kills" but Itachi was dying from a disease, had just given some of his power to Naruto, was nearly blind, and was TRYING to lose... and Sasuke only just managed to win).
-Sasuke joins Akatsuki, the main villains, who want to rule the world or something and are led by the guy who probably set the nine-tailed fox on Konoha.
-Last I heard, he was trying to destroy all the ninja villages or something.




You left out Sakura's only point of development in the entire first half of the manga, in which she offers to run away with Sasuke, but he tells her she's a stupid bitch and leaves her behind. She then makes Naruto promise to "bring him back." The second half of the manga thus follows up with Sakura trying to figure out wtf she ever saw in Sasuke to begin with, sort halfway falling for Naruto instead, confessing her love to Naruto and trying to go kill Sasuke on her own, and utterly totally failing. Naruto is still determined to keep his promise to Sakura and rescue Sasuke, even though Sasuke is long since past the Moral Event Horizon.

And that is why the final fight of the manga will be between Naruto and Sasuke.
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Seriously? That's stupid. >.<
Meaning the parts in the manga that happened after I stopped reading.

Have they ever given ANY reason for why Sasuke turned against everyone? I mean, it used to be "I WILL KILL ITACHI!!!!!!" Then it was "THIS IS ALL KONOHA'S FAULT!!!!!"

I'm assuming he's found out that Madara set the kyuubi on Konoha, right? (Which I am assuming is true).

I'm glad I stopped reading. Sasuke as a villain was never even remotely compelling to me, story-wise. Just seemed stupid.

Also, what happens between Hinata and Naruto after the Pein battle? She confesses to him, then almost dies, and he kicks Pein's ass afterwards. Never saw what happened after they made whatshisname hokage.

Oh, and is whatshisname Madara? Because I always suspected he was.


Sorry for all the questions, lol.
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Something about he feels his clan was betrayed so he wants revenge. I said it somewhere else, but Sasuke is a horrible villain. They spend all that time to build him up to appear to be some huge badass threat, and then he regularly gets his ass handed to him by any villain that has a name and has been in more than one chapter. Hell, even the fights he manages to win (eventually) are barely his own doing and by circumstance.

The whole story is a mess. I'm talking "Putting all of The Legend of Zelda series into chronological order" level of mess.

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Something about he feels his clan was betrayed so he wants revenge. The whole story is a mess. I'm talking "Putting all of The Legend of Zelda series into chronological order" level of mess.


Oh good lord...

Did they ever reveal what power Itachi gave to Naruto?
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He did? Masashi probably forgot about it like I did.
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There was this ridiculous scene with a raven forcing itself down Naruto's throat...
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I'll put money on whatever it is, it'll show up when Naruto fights Zombie Itachi in a few chapters.
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I'm so happy I stopped reading this.

On that note, is the Bleach manga worth reading after the soul society invasion arc (most recent anime non-filler arc) is over? It strikes me that there's good reason to suspect that this would be the climax of the series. I've never actually read the manga--just trying to decide if it's worth starting where the anime left off.

I'd ask in the actual bleach thread, but spoilers and stuff.
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I'm so happy I stopped reading this.

On that note, is the Bleach manga worth reading after the soul society invasion arc (most recent anime non-filler arc) is over? It strikes me that there's good reason to suspect that this would be the climax of the series. I've never actually read the manga--just trying to decide if it's worth starting where the anime left off.

I'd ask in the actual bleach thread, but spoilers and stuff.


Pouring your brain through a strainer for ideas could probably yield a better plot than what's happening ATM.
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I'm so happy I stopped reading this.

On that note, is the Bleach manga worth reading after the soul society invasion arc (most recent anime non-filler arc) is over? It strikes me that there's good reason to suspect that this would be the climax of the series. I've never actually read the manga--just trying to decide if it's worth starting where the anime left off.

I'd ask in the actual bleach thread, but spoilers and stuff.


Pouring your brain through a strainer for ideas could probably yield a better plot than what's happening ATM.


:/

Have they at least come up with an interesting solution to Ichigo losing all his Shinigami powers?
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I'm so happy I stopped reading this.

On that note, is the Bleach manga worth reading after the soul society invasion arc (most recent anime non-filler arc) is over? It strikes me that there's good reason to suspect that this would be the climax of the series. I've never actually read the manga--just trying to decide if it's worth starting where the anime left off.

I'd ask in the actual bleach thread, but spoilers and stuff.


Pouring your brain through a strainer for ideas could probably yield a better plot than what's happening ATM.


:/

Have they at least come up with an interesting solution to Ichigo losing all his Shinigami powers?


That depends; do you like Ichigo getting spandex armor?
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This was awesome.

This is not.

So he's just permanently not a shinigami anymore? LAME.

They better figure out a way to bring back the old outfit (or similar). Because it was kickass.

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Zangetsu isn't gone for good, is he? D: D: D:

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F*ck it, I'll start reading it. There are enough unanswered questions left that it should at least keep my interest for a while. If it continues to suck, I'll drop it (like I did Naruto).

As it stands, jumpsuit Ichigo doesn't infuriate me nearly as much as Sasuke did...
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The good thing about Naruto right now is that we haven't seen Sasuke in a long time, and likely won't until the Zombie arc is over.
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I lol'd. But it's probably true. I stopped reading when I realized I 100% didn't want to read the Sasuke panels anymore, because he was always doing something annoying. After the Pein battle ended, and they were setting up a Sasuke story I was like "Yep, I'm done!"

Plus, is he even powerful? At all? I mean, he has one of the worst battle histories in the entire series, but they always make him out to be some genius fighter. But it seems that he's always been horribly maimed even in the battles he's won. The only exception I can think of is the Orochimaru fight, and considering that was a sneak attack on a sick person in bed...

Itachi fight? I just felt sorry for him the whole time...

Even his fight with Killer Bee was a joke. If they didn't use ridiculous plot devices to keep him alive, he would have died 2-3 times.
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You left out Sakura's only point of development in the entire first half of the manga, in which she offers to run away with Sasuke, but he tells her she's a stupid bitch and leaves her behind. She then makes Naruto promise to "bring him back." The second half of the manga thus follows up with Sakura trying to figure out wtf she ever saw in Sasuke to begin with, sort halfway falling for Naruto instead, confessing her love to Naruto and trying to go kill Sasuke on her own, and utterly totally failing. Naruto is still determined to keep his promise to Sakura and rescue Sasuke, even though Sasuke is long since past the Moral Event Horizon.

Well, sorta wrong. She never halfway fell for Naruto. She was very explicitly lying to him so that she would give up what she thought was his quest to retrieve Sasuke for her sake. However, Naruto wasn't attempting to retrieve Sasuke for her sake, but for his own.

That's also not why the final fight will be between the two.

The narrative framework of Naruto's fight is a quest against hatred. Pain's attack on Hidden Leaf was because of hatred, The villages couldn't work together before because of hatred, and Sasuke is entirely consumed and driven by hatred. The final climax will be the confrontation with Sasuke because Sasuke represents NAruto's goal. Once Naruto is able to overcome Sasuke's hate, it will be a representation of him defeating hatred as a whole in the story, which is the point of the entire second half of Naruto.
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Plus, is he even powerful? At all? I mean, he has one of the worst battle histories in the entire series, but they always make him out to be some genius fighter. But it seems that he's always been horribly maimed even in the battles he's won.

Yes, he is a powerful character in the story, and no he has far from a bad battle history. He has pretty much won every fight he's been in since the second half started, and in all of those he was murdering some of the most powerful characters in the Naruto universe, so you'll have to excuse him if he gets beat up a little. He killed Orochimaru (the big bad of the first half), He killed Deidara, He killed Itachi, he took on one of the most powerful Jinchuriki in the series (who did manage to escape, but just barely), he took on all the kages and lived, and lastly he killed Danzo.
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You left out Sakura's only point of development in the entire first half of the manga, in which she offers to run away with Sasuke, but he tells her she's a stupid bitch and leaves her behind. She then makes Naruto promise to "bring him back." The second half of the manga thus follows up with Sakura trying to figure out wtf she ever saw in Sasuke to begin with, sort halfway falling for Naruto instead, confessing her love to Naruto and trying to go kill Sasuke on her own, and utterly totally failing. Naruto is still determined to keep his promise to Sakura and rescue Sasuke, even though Sasuke is long since past the Moral Event Horizon.

Well, sorta wrong. She never halfway fell for Naruto. She was very explicitly lying to him so that she would give up what she thought was his quest to retrieve Sasuke for her sake. However, Naruto wasn't attempting to retrieve Sasuke for her sake, but for his own.

That's also not why the final fight will be between the two.

The narrative framework of Naruto's fight is a quest against hatred. Pain's attack on Hidden Leaf was because of hatred, The villages couldn't work together before because of hatred, and Sasuke is entirely consumed and driven by hatred. The final climax will be the confrontation with Sasuke because Sasuke represents NAruto's goal. Once Naruto is able to overcome Sasuke's hate, it will be a representation of him defeating hatred as a whole in the story, which is the point of the entire second half of Naruto.
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Plus, is he even powerful? At all? I mean, he has one of the worst battle histories in the entire series, but they always make him out to be some genius fighter. But it seems that he's always been horribly maimed even in the battles he's won.

Yes, he is a powerful character in the story, and no he has far from a bad battle history. He has pretty much won every fight he's been in since the second half started, and in all of those he was murdering some of the most powerful characters in the Naruto universe, so you'll have to excuse him if he gets beat up a little. He killed Orochimaru (the big bad of the first half), He killed Deidara, He killed Itachi, he took on one of the most powerful Jinchuriki in the series (who did manage to escape, but just barely), he took on all the kages and lived, and lastly he killed Danzo.


The disastrous "confession" aside, (in which the manga-ka Kishimoto, btw, said Sakura was actually telling the truth but for the wrong reasons, which is why Naruto called her on the bullsh*t) it's definitely true that Sakura is beginning to wonder what the hell is wrong with her still liking Sasuke at all. The latest panel to cause a stir is the first page of chapter 540, in which Sakura is presented with the thought "anyone you like must be a great guy." We get a very disturbing image in the background, with Sakura looking vaguely upset. That's not the look of someone who is still deeply in love with someone she believes can be redeemed; it's more like the hopeless look of someone in an abusive relationship. Sasuke is a lot of things, but a great guy is not one of them.

Naruto's love quandrangle is not as complex as some shounen manga. Hinato's one-sided love is doomed to be unrequited, and she actually seems okay with that. Naruto is still crushing like mad on Sakura, although he's put aside his childish feelings to focus on protecting Konoha. Sasuke is gonna end up dead, or riding off into the sunset, or whatever. He can't be a productive member of Konoha any more, even if he does end up turning out to be an unlikely hero and one-upping Naruto by defeating Maura. That leaves Sakura to sort out her tangle of feelings - for Sasuke, who abandoned her, or Naruto, who never once doubted her.


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I agreed with what you said up until:

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Yes, he is a powerful character in the story, and no he has far from a bad battle history. He has pretty much won every fight he's been in since the second half started, and in all of those he was murdering some of the most powerful characters in the Naruto universe, so you'll have to excuse him if he gets beat up a little. He killed Orochimaru (the big bad of the first half), He killed Deidara, He killed Itachi, he took on one of the most powerful Jinchuriki in the series (who did manage to escape, but just barely), he took on all the kages and lived, and lastly he killed Danzo.


Many of those fights he got away with from sheer luck. And by luck, I mean plot armor. I understand what Kishimoto's doing with the hatred vs unification motif, and how Sasuke fits into that. Thus, he needs to stay alive.

But that's no excuse to have him only survive by invoking Mary Sue-ness.
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I think my favorite was when Juugo leached his own life force into him. Which was gross. And didn't Suigetsu do something to keep him alive? Or was that Karin?

REALLY?
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So, Should I be catching back up on either this or Bleach, Allegory?
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So, Should I be catching back up on either this or Bleach, Allegory?


I'm curious about Allegory's response too actually, but I'ld say definitely Naruto.

And Bleach.

Just read both, although to be honest, Bleach does seem to be a bit more nonsensical.
(just imo)
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I guess that depends on what you're looking for from either of the mangas.

Naruto is unquestionably the better story, but honestly story isn't everything. There's certainly plenty of mangas available with better stories than either series. I think Naruto also has more interesting fights and abilities. However if you're looking for a very pure battle manga, Bleach does it better. Bleach is simple, but because it follows unfaltering along the DBZ path of strength progression and killing enemies in order of their power, it works. When the Arrancar are introduced I was genuinely curious about their ranks. It may be an arbitrary and completely unrealistic concept, but their is an appeal to it.
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Could always use fresh blood on the Bleach Rage Thread.

Hajime no Ippo is a good, loooooooooong read.
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Could always use fresh blood on the Bleach Rage Thread.

Hajime no Ippo is a good, loooooooooong read.


I can't get into Hajime no Ippo. Don't like the art, don't like the plot, don't like boxing...
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You've got bad taste.

Though, admittedly, the fight before last really did take a lot out of me. It lasted like a hundred chapters. Smiley: mad
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Though, admittedly, the fight before last really did take a lot out of me. It lasted like a hundred chapters.


Holy hell, that's almost half as long as it takes for a conversation to complete in Naruto...
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Ichigo


I'm too lazy to actually edit that onto a white background, so use your imagination.

Actually, nvm. Dunno how it is on other backgrounds, but looks decent on WoW classic. :P

Edited, Jul 20th 2011 2:19am by idiggory
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Looks good to me :P.
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I'm actually sad they didn't work in the final getsuga form though. Would have been best if that was between the last ichigo and the hollow, with the last ichigo lacking a zanpakutou.
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There was this ridiculous scene with a raven forcing itself down Naruto's throat...
I'll put money on whatever it is, it'll show up when Naruto fights Zombie Itachi in a few chapters.
Ha ha, I feel dirty over this.


No reason to spoiler, I just like how they look now.
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So, yeah. lolgaxe called it.
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I don't even remember that.
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Neither did I.
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So, who is Tobi really?
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Well, that was a good plot twist.

Also,

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Tobi is a bad boy.

Edited, Oct 12th 2011 5:14pm by IDrownFish
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