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#1 Jul 12 2011 at 6:35 PM Rating: Decent
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If like just about everyone with both a current gen console and a Netflix account, you've been enjoying your free streaming movies and TV shows. Well, come September that's coming to an end. From then on steaming and discs in the mail will be broken up into two separate plans, both of which will have a base cost of $7.99. That means if you want both, you have to sign up for both and pay a minimum of $15.98.

Personally, I dumped Netflix after the ****** around for over three months instead of sending me the two movies I wanted (not obscure stuff either, both were fairly popular new releases), so it has little effect on me. If I were still a subscriber I'd be pretty **** annoyed right now though.

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I recently read an article that said, in effect, Netflix is going to get screwed within the next year or two because all their contracts for streaming content from the big boys expire. Back when streaming was new and not yet all that popular, Netflix signed contracts at great prices to stream content from these providers. Now that they're up, their expenses will go from something like $200 million to almost $2 billion if they want to renew. Looks to me like they're trying to prepare for the worst early.
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Here's the article, from CNN Money: http://money.cnn.com/2011/07/08/technology/netflix_starz_contract/index.htm

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"Netflix has another year or two on most of these contracts, and then the game completely changes," says Michael Pachter, analyst at Wedbush Securities.

Pachter predicts Netflix's streaming content licensing costs will rise from $180 million in 2010 to a whopping $1.98 billion in 2012.

When streaming video was new, Netflix was able to secure contracts with the likes of Warner Bros. Studios and MTV to license big TV and film catalogues for about $5 million to $10 million per year. This time around, Pachter says, those costs could increase more than tenfold.

"The content owners realize they can't give Netflix all the leverage," he says. "Netflix had the power when they were the only bidder. But you don't have as much leverage when you suddenly have competition."
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#4 Jul 12 2011 at 6:47 PM Rating: Good
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Looks like I'm dropping the instant watch stuff. I'm not really willing to pay double the cost for Netflix and nothing is instant-only.
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That really sucks, because I only signed up for streaming. I don't give a crap about the dvd service.
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#6 Jul 12 2011 at 8:41 PM Rating: Good
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That really sucks, because I only signed up for streaming. I don't give a crap about the dvd service.


Same.
If i want to watch something new, I still support the only Movie Rental business in town..and go there.
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idiggory wrote:
That really sucks, because I only signed up for streaming. I don't give a crap about the dvd service.


Uh, yah. We received the email today, too. Just downsized to streaming only because we'll keep two DVDs for a few months before we bother watching and sending them back, but we'll stream all the time.

This sucks.
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We stopped doing DVDs by mail several months ago because we'd go through 1 DVD a month most of the time >_<.

So while the price drop is fine by me... the licensing issues are disheartening :(.
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Very disappointing. I'll probably be changing to a 1 DVD plan only, if not dropping the service entirely. I'm not even remotely impressed with their streaming lineup. It's 99% junk.

I thought they were on their way up, but it looks like they've really stagnated.

Between this and Verizon's impending data plan change, ugh. Smiley: disappointed
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Very disappointing. I'll probably be changing to a 1 DVD plan only, if not dropping the service entirely. I'm not even remotely impressed with their streaming lineup. It's 99% junk.

I thought they were on their way up, but it looks like they've really stagnated.

Between this and Verizon's impending data plan change, ugh. Smiley: disappointed


I was just about to ask if they had acquired better material. Awhile ago I signed up for the 2 week trial just to be able to check out their streaming stuff and really didn't find it appealing so I don't believe we really ended up watching anything and made sure to cancel early as to not forget and get charged.
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Very disappointing. I'll probably be changing to a 1 DVD plan only, if not dropping the service entirely. I'm not even remotely impressed with their streaming lineup. It's 99% junk.

I thought they were on their way up, but it looks like they've really stagnated.

Between this and Verizon's impending data plan change, ugh. Smiley: disappointed


I was just about to ask if they had acquired better material. Awhile ago I signed up for the 2 week trial just to be able to check out their streaming stuff and really didn't find it appealing so I don't believe we really ended up watching anything and made sure to cancel early as to not forget and get charged.


It's improved, but only marginally. They have a couple new major releases every 2-4 weeks, but if you're an average movie-goer, you've typically already seen them. Those are accompanied by a slew of retro films and B-movies that you're probably familiar with if you've seen the service in the past. It's the epitome of quantity over quality. I should say that there has been better improvement in their indie and foreign selection, which is actually fairly solid. But many other genres, such as Comedy, are still woefully lacking.

I had been expecting to see a significant improvement in the streaming service by now, but it's just not there. It's surprising, because I gather that part of this price increase stems from their desire to "phase-out" their physical disc shipping. They aren't even offering the DVD service in new areas that they expand to. I don't see how that'll be viable unless they make dramatic improvements in their streaming offerings.

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That really sucks, because I only signed up for streaming. I don't give a crap about the dvd service.

You can still get the streaming only service for $7.99 a month (I think?). The issue is that streaming used to come "free" with any DVD subscription and now is unbundled and charged separately. So the $9.99 "One DVD at a Time" deal came with streaming but will now cost $9.99/DVD + $7.99/Streaming = $17.99. Give or take a buck in case I got a number wrong. (Edit: Reading the OP, I did).

I canceled the DVD subscription and will just do streaming and get the occasional disc from Redbox or the local Family Video when we want a movie unavailable. Netflix's streaming isn't super-awesome (and they just lost Sony, hopefully temporarily) but we can usually find something on these to waste time with. If anything, Netflix will lose a little money off me since I was terrible about watching/returning discs so they were really get a free $2/mth from me.

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Since Netflix streaming was so successful, I'd be worried about other companies trying to start their own services to compete with Netflix. HBO already has something similar set up (I think?) and then there's Hulu Plus. A company like Sony might try to produce their own streaming service then charge a monthly fee. Rather than having an aggregate service like Netflix, we'll eventually be required to pick our streaming providers much like we do with TV channels already. Netflix will probably continue to stand strong when it comes to movies, but their stock will probably become even more focused on B-movies and indie films.

At least that's how I see the future... that and pricier internet, lower bandwidth caps.
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Netflix's streaming isn't super-awesome (and they just lost Sony, hopefully temporarily) but we can usually find something on these to waste time with.


Yeah. My husband and I have wasted many an hour watching old Dr. Who episodes and David Attenbourough shows. We can usually find something on their streaming service.

ETA: Also, they still have the Starz contract thingy, and my mother is addicted to the Spartacus series.

Edited, Jul 13th 2011 12:31pm by Belkira
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HBO already has something similar set up (I think?)

HBO has HBO GO (I think). Not sure if that is a pay as you watch or just meant to be a perk for subscribing to HBO already.
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At least that's how I see the future... that and pricier internet, lower bandwidth caps.

I have Comcast so it already feels like I am "taking it up the tail pipe." FIOS is available in my area. I know a couple people who have it and are fairly pleased.

I really do worry about how much costs will go up where internet provided media is concerned. Companies are seeing it really is the future and it won't be long until they start to squeeze every freaking penny they can out of us through that.

Edited, Jul 13th 2011 9:49pm by MrTalos
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I'm generally pleased with FiOS internet. Don't have cable.
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We've been debating getting Hulu+. We end up watching more TV shows than movies and Hulu+ would be amazing for that. They have pretty much all the latest episodes of all the popular shows playing now (on regular hulu) as well as offering all the older seasons/past shows on Hulu+.

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I'm generally pleased with FiOS internet. Don't have cable.
Does FiOS have any spooky usage limit warnings like comcast? I haven't been contacted yet, but I guess I'm not supposed to go over 250 gb per month.
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You go over their 250gb/month limit three times and they ban you for a year.
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I have no clue. But I don't have any external hard drives, so I wouldn't have to worry about that.

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#21 Jul 16 2011 at 11:41 PM Rating: Good
Hmm, that's good to know. I haven't gotten any notification on this yet, but it's nice to know. I'll probably just stick with the live streaming service. We've had Dinner for Schmucks for about 2 or 3 months now... we've watched it a few times, just never gotten around to mailing it back yet.
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Heh... I got an email this morning apologizing for disruption of the streaming service yesterday and offering me a 3% credit for the month. Which is 24 cents. And that's fine, since one day is roughly 3% of the month. But, this was what made me laugh, you have to click a link and opt-in to receive your credit or else they won't give it to you. Smiley: dubious

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That's because they hope that only those who were actually affected (i.e. those who noticed an interruption of service) will accept the 3% credit... or that many of these people don't check their email that often. :P

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We had dumped Netflix awhile ago. I haven't missed it. The few movies that come out that I really, really want to see, I'll hope to the cinema for.

Then I can utilize my Dish+HBO to watch one of the kajillions of already released movies that I'm still getting around to.

Maybe this will provide a teeny bit of relief to the walk-in video stores.
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#25 Jul 19 2011 at 8:25 PM Rating: Good
So I'm lazy, and have not called them about my account.
Any of you know how many systems an be going at the same time on the streaming plan? I was paying $30 for the 4-DVD out plan, that way I could have 4 (2 ps3s, a 360, and either a Blu-Ray/Wii) systems watching movies.
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I think it's 5 system total, not counting PC streaming.
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#27 Sep 06 2011 at 1:01 PM Rating: Good
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CNN wrote:
Netflix's streaming content catalog is about to take a big hit: Starz said late Thursday that it has ended contract renewal negotiations and will pull its movies and TV shows from Netflix early next year.
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Netflix still has access to most of Starz' offerings, but its current deal with the network expires on Feb. 28, 2012. The two sides had been negotiating for months about an extension.
The Starz deal seemed to give Netflix a lot of recent movies. I don't know how much of an effect (if any) this will have on TV shows.


I linked CNN because it was the most recent source I was looking at, but I've seen it posted in other places as well.
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Ouch? Netflix stocks get hammered as company revises its customer attrition projections.
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Shares of Netflix NFLX slid more than 13% in early trades to $181 — putting the stock below the $200 for the first time since March. The shares are down more than 40% since peaking above the $300 mark in mid-July.

The drop came after the company issued a statement that reduced its subscriber forecast for the third quarter. The company expects about 1 million fewer subscribers for the period than it did in its initial forecast, given during its last earnings report on July 25.

The change includes the effect of a hike in rental fees that takes effect this month. Netflix expects the biggest change to the base of subscribers using only its mail-order DVD service; total domestic subscribers to the DVD-only plans are 27% lower than the company’s initial forecast of 3 million.


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I jumped ship to the local Redbox (which is like, one whole block away). Been thoroughly disappointed with Netflix and their increasingly frustrating mismanagement.

Using Redbox is saving us a pretty penny on the physical DVDs, and Netflix's streaming service was never much of a draw. It's amazing that years after its launch, they still hadn't made a remotely useful UI for the PS3 streaming system.

Happy to vote with my dollar. I had expected the service to take off, but it looks like the wheels are starting to fall off, instead.

Edited, Sep 15th 2011 3:02pm by Eske
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Looks like this move by Netflix is cutting deeper than anticipated:

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The company, which split its streaming and DVD-by-mail services two months ago, now expects a total of 24 million subscribers in the third quarter, down from the 25 million it forecast in July.


However at least one analyst predicts that Netflix will remain the top dog in online movie rental...

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Jefferies & Co. analyst Youssef H. Squali said while "Netflix's leadership in online streaming should remain uncontested for a long time


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Is anyone using Amazon prime to stream programming?

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Netflix is rebranding its DVD service as "Qwikster" and offering video games. The streaming service will be known as Netflix.

E-Mail from this morning wrote:
It’s hard to write this after over 10 years of mailing DVDs with pride, but we think it is necessary: In a few weeks, we will rename our DVD by mail service to “Qwikster”. We chose the name Qwikster because it refers to quick delivery. We will keep the name “Netflix” for streaming.

Qwikster will be the same website and DVD service that everyone is used to. It is just a new name, and DVD members will go to qwikster.com to access their DVD queues and choose movies. One improvement we will make at launch is to add a video games upgrade option, similar to our upgrade option for Blu-ray, for those who want to rent Wii, PS3 and Xbox 360 games. Members have been asking for video games for many years, but now that DVD by mail has its own team, we are finally getting it done. Other improvements will follow. A negative of the renaming and separation is that the Qwikster.com and Netflix.com websites will not be integrated.

There are no pricing changes (we’re done with that!). If you subscribe to both services you will have two entries on your credit card statement, one for Qwikster and one for Netflix. The total will be the same as your current charges. We will let you know in a few weeks when the Qwikster.com website is up and ready.

I have no idea how this is supposed to help. Am I supposed to forget that streaming & DVDs used to be bundled if they change one of the names?

Now that I think about it, this will help hide the decreased streaming selection since you won't plug in movies and see "DVD only".

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If it wasn't for straight-to-video Cuba Gooding, Jr. action movies, Netflix's instant streaming catalog would be half the size it currently is.
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I did end up canceling my Netflix subscription this weekend. I am disappointed that I can't remove my billing information from my account though. Reading around online, I guess even if you call them they won't do it.

Their movie selection was pretty weak, and seeing as I already subscribe to Starz through my cable provider and have Starz on Demand, I don't benefit from that contract. TV Shows, I watched quite a few, but have run out of things to watch.

I do find it ridiculous that Netflix can't keep your account active for the remainder of your paid service period. I'd say the vast majority of online monthly subscription services let you cancel your subscription, yet still use the remainder of what you paid for before their service is off limits to you. Netflix had to have decided to do it this way on purpose. Probably to hope people would wait until the last moment to cancel, then forget and get charged another 8 or 9 dollars. If I actually had anything I wanted to watch on Netflix I'd be a little upset that I couldn't cancel now without losing the remainder of my paid month.
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Netflix is rebranding its DVD service as "Qwikster" and offering video games. The streaming service will be known as Netflix.
I'm actually slightly excited about the DVD service now including video games. I'll be cancelling my streaming plan once I clear it of movies and I don't watch enough TV shows to justify maintaining the subscription. I received the same e-mail and I'm still trying to figure out why Netflix even bothered to send it. Is this pathetic-sounding e-mail supposed to appeal to my emotions and convince me that a new name really does justify higher costs?
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Nothing that will change my mind about my actions, but some minor good news for Netflix:
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Netflix has signed an exclusive deal with Dreamworks Animation which will allow them to stream content from the studio to Netflix. The deal will allow Netflix to stream content from Dreamworks which previously supplied content to HBO. The contract was negotiated at approximately $30 million per Dreamworks film title.

The only drawback to the deal is that Netflix will be unable to stream content from Dreamworks until 2013. However, Dreamworks is planning 3 new movies releases that year which Netflix will undoubtedly get.

The deal is very appealing for Dreamworks because under their contract with HBO they were unable to sell digital downloads to other providers. Now under the Netflix contract they will still be able to sell those digital downloads while providing streaming content to Netflix. So the deal with Netflix is relatively “sugar coated” and will allow Dreamworks to keep profiting off their content.

According to Gigaom, Netflix doesn’t actually like to do exclusive deals it only does them when it has to compete with providers like HBO.

This deal could not have come at a better time as Netflix loses its deal with Starz, Netflix stock falls, and Netflix splits its streaming service and DVD service into separate parts.
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Qwickster is dead before it even got started.

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On Monday, the company said it would reverse a previously announced decision to put its DVD-by-mail and Internet streaming services on separate websites, a plan that was widely derided by Netflix subscribers.
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On Monday, the company said it would reverse a previously announced decision to put its DVD-by-mail and Internet streaming services on separate websites, a plan that was widely derided by Netflix subscribers.


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Whatever. even at $15 or whatever a month, it's still way cheaper than what I used to pay going to Major Video back in the day.
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Well, I don't have cable, and my free time is limited. The portion of that I'm willing to spend on television is even smaller (most of it goes to friends, games and reading).

So, a streaming service is really ideal for me. Until Netflix has a competitor, I'll probably be sticking with them. Since I only generally watch television (with some exceptions) when I feel like being mindless, their less-than-stellar line-up doesn't really bother me. :P

I just pirate my anime (even if NF has the series I want, they almost never have the language I want).

The only things I watch without the intention of doing so mindlessly are documentaries (which NF has a decent selection of) and HBO series, which I just pirate out of desperation (which I don't feel bad about, since I'd be using my parents' cable streaming service to view it, if I could get it to work properly on my pc).

And I've never subscribed to their disc service. Though I'll admit, there are some things on NF that aren't streaming that have been tempting me. Fortunately, all their price/service shenanigans started right around the time I would have seriously considered it. :P
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I still use Netflix instant because it's easier than torrenting everything or finding ****** streams of the shows I watch.
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Holy crap.

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Despite recent troubles, Netflix is a major force on the Internet, accounting for 32.7% of peak U.S. downstream traffic, according to a new report.

Sandvine Intelligent Broadband Networks' report analyzed 200 Internet service providers in 80 countries and found that real-time entertainment apps take up 60% of peak downstream traffic, up from 50% last year. Netflix has more than half of that share. Sandvine considers the hours between 6 p.m. to 10 p.m. to be peak times.
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#43 Nov 01 2011 at 7:27 AM Rating: Good
So I wanted to see if I could watch The Wire on instant, and netflix gives me this:
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My first reaction to that picture is "Is that **** Van **** as a **** Cage Fighter?"
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#46 Nov 03 2011 at 7:13 PM Rating: Good
I changed my plan from 3 DVD and streaming to 1 DVD and streaming. I wish it was cheaper but then again, I'm paying for EQ2 about 15 dollars a month, so why not Netflix? Those are the only two things in the house that are "me time". I don't watch regular TV and my house is filled with stuff for my son except the tiny corner for my PC.

The streaming has improved over the last 2 weeks, I must say. At least for me. I watch a lot of foreign movies on Netflix and I'm seeing more and more appearing on the stream.

I truly wanted to cancel the mail DVD section but I can't find a rental store here?? What the **** happened to all the Blockbusters? Family Videos? Hollywood Video?? Nothing is here... I can't find anything but a Redbox and I don't have a credit or debit card... Infact, I don't have a bank account so I can't use it.

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So I wanted to see if I could watch The Wire on instant, and netflix gives me this:
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Why does netflix think I'm a ****?
I'm surprised it didn't give you Wire in the Blood (which is pretty @#%^ing good, by the way).



Also, watch Luther and the new Sherlock series.


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I truly wanted to cancel the mail DVD section but I can't find a rental store here?? What the **** happened to all the Blockbusters? Family Videos? Hollywood Video??

Hollywood is long dead, killed by Blockbuster and Netflix. Blockbuster is dead with its name and licensing agreements bought up by DirecTv (or Dish? One of them...) but its physical locations closed.

The local Family Video, on the other hand, has a message on its marquee saying that they're opening 60 -- yes, six-zero -- new locations and people should apply for management positions. I've no idea if that's statewide or regionally or nationally or what.
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Belkira wrote:
Wow. Regular ol' Joph fan club in here.
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