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#1 Jul 09 2011 at 8:05 PM Rating: Decent
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Back when GRRM finally announced that he had finished the book, I preordered it from Amazon. I just got an email from them, a portion of which says this:

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After five years it seems it's finally going to happen. I'm seriously tempted to take Wednesday off from work and spend the day reading instead.

Yes, this is the closest thing to excitement you will ever see from me.
#2 Jul 09 2011 at 8:59 PM Rating: Good
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Only Wednesday?

You read that fast? :D
#3 Jul 09 2011 at 9:30 PM Rating: Good
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You read that fast? :D
Could probably zerg read 1200 pages or so in a day if you were a lunatic.
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#4 Jul 09 2011 at 10:31 PM Rating: Good
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I could do it. My eyes wouldn't like me anymore, but I could do it.
#5 Jul 09 2011 at 11:21 PM Rating: Good
I really, really need to go out and buy storm of swords and feast for crows...
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Only Wednesday?

You read that fast? :D


It's really not that uncommon. 1,200 pages in a single session is pushing it even for me though.
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Typically, what I will end up doing with a book like this, where I've been anticipating it for a while, is I'll end up reading it fairly quickly, finishing in 1-3 sittings. I'll end up reading it a second time at a more leisurely pace afterwards.
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Monsieur Spoonless wrote:
Typically, what I will end up doing with a book like this, where I've been anticipating it for a while, is I'll end up reading it fairly quickly, finishing in 1-3 sittings. I'll end up reading it a second time at a more leisurely pace afterwards.


I admit, when I read more often, I did this too--only in one sitting. So I'm not saying it's impossible to read it all in one day because I know I can do it too. =X
#9 Jul 10 2011 at 12:29 PM Rating: Good
This might be blasphemous, but I'll probably finish the next wheel of time book that I just started before I even start 'dance'.
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When there is a new release to a series of books, I generally re-read through the whole series of books before I get to the new one, in order to refresh my crappy memory. Because of this, I am very familiar with the first half of the Wheel of Time series. It also gives me an excuse to wait to pick up the book that isn't "I don't have enough money." Now I just need to figure out what boxes my books are still in.

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Monsieur Lubriderm wrote:
This might be blasphemous, but I'll probably finish the next wheel of time book that I just started before I even start 'dance'.


This might be blasphemous, but I tried to read the Wheel of Time series, and could only make it about 1/4 of the way through the first book.
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I could do 1200 pages a day without wanting to die, but I'd come close.

But I'd need to go for a run or something around the middle to purge all my excess energy.

My average reading rate (without trying to read fast) is about 350 words per minute. There are about 250 words per page of a normal novel, so this would be 14 hours of reading without me trying to speed read. I doubt I could go my normal pace,manage to do it in one day, and still have enjoyed reading the book. But I could definitely do it if I wanted to.
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#13 Jul 11 2011 at 2:04 AM Rating: Good
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I'm going to have to pick this series back up. I started A Game of Thrones on a trip and never got back into it for some reason.

Yes, I know, I'm very late to the party. But I need something to do this summer, so...
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#14 Jul 11 2011 at 4:39 PM Rating: Good
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...and my copy came a day early. As soon as I'm done eating it's a time to start the Dance. I just took a quick look and there is a note in the beginning on timelines. Dance follows the story of the North and across the narrow sea during the events of Feast, but about halfway through characters from the South start popping up and the book moves on past the events in Feast. Also, the title of book six will be The Winds of Winter.

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#15 Jul 11 2011 at 6:49 PM Rating: Good
oi. Audio books is well over double the price of the hard cover XD.
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oi. Audio books is well over double the price of the hard cover XD.


That's pretty common. If you have a subscription to Audible, they give you a credit per month that you can use for the audiobook (they typically cost two credits). I can't remember, but I think they give you a couple credits for subscribing. You might be able to use that to get the book for free. If not, it probably won't do you any good now unless you have an interest in other audiobooks and can wait a couple months, but perhaps it's something to keep in mind for the future. The subscription I have is good for 30% off of the cost of regular audiobooks too, so it's pretty worthwhile if you listen to a lot of them (like at work).

I read the first four books that way. The narrator for the first three, Roy Dotrice, makes them quite worthwhile. He's great. Unfortunately they changed narrator's for Feast for Crows and Dance with Dragons, and the new guy isn't as good.

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I really can't enjoy audio books. There was a while when I was driving quite a lot each day (in large chunks), and they would have been nice. But it just didn't do it for me.

I think the real problem was that hearing it in someone else's voice really just destroyed whatever immersion I could have felt.

It's a shame, really. It would be nice to have that option for long road trips or plane rides. When I was a kid, I could read in automobiles just fine. But I get motion sick now. :(
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#18 Jul 11 2011 at 9:02 PM Rating: Good
I'm the other way, I enjoy being told stories. My reading skills have never been that great, so listening to words being spoken has always helped me with English speaking/reading skills.
I listen to audio books only at work however. It is a boring job so a good story can make the day zoom by.

I'll check the audible site out. Free audio books are always nice..
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Sandinmygum the Stupendous wrote:
I'm the other way, I enjoy being told stories. My reading skills have never been that great, so listening to words being spoken has always helped me with English speaking/reading skills.
I listen to audio books only at work however. It is a boring job so a good story can make the day zoom by.

I'll check the audible site out. Free audio books are always nice..



I got one free book out of registering at audible, otherwise those books are too expensive for my taste.

Avoid Stephen King books read by King himself btw, he's a good writer (imo anyway) but not that great in reading his material.
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Sandinmygum the Stupendous wrote:
I'm the other way, I enjoy being told stories. My reading skills have never been that great, so listening to words being spoken has always helped me with English speaking/reading skills.
I listen to audio books only at work however. It is a boring job so a good story can make the day zoom by.

I'll check the audible site out. Free audio books are always nice..



I got one free book out of registering at audible, otherwise those books are too expensive for my taste.

Avoid Stephen King books read by King himself btw, he's a good writer (imo anyway) but not that great in reading his material.


As of last night A Dance with Dragons is not on audible yet. And agree to the King reading, he is to boring to listen to lol.

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#21 Jul 12 2011 at 6:45 AM Rating: Good
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This might be blasphemous, but I'll probably finish the next wheel of time book that I just started before I even start 'dance'.


This might be blasphemous, but I tried to read the Wheel of Time series, and could only make it about 1/4 of the way through the first book.
Not blasphemous at all. If I weren't obsessive-compulsive about finishing stuff, I'd have probably dropped it.
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#22 Jul 12 2011 at 8:03 AM Rating: Good
WoT is very hit or miss, I've found. It's one of my favorite series, and I know many other people who feel the same way, but I also know several people who hated it. There's no denying that it's very long and very detailed, with way too many characters to keep track of. But I love all that detail and how intricately woven together the plots are. (And the last book comes out in 5 months!!!)
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WoT is very hit or miss, I've found. It's one of my favorite series, and I know many other people who feel the same way, but I also know several people who hated it. There's no denying that it's very long and very detailed, with way too many characters to keep track of. But I love all that detail and how intricately woven together the plots are. (And the last book comes out in 5 months!!!)


My early issue with it wasn't with complexity of detail or number of characters, actually. I have this weird pet peeve about reading: I've never liked books where the main characters aren't "worldly", and everything that they experience is new to them and must be explained.

I understand the reasoning for it...sometimes it's so that the reader can be placed alongside that protagonist. Exposition would seem natural if the character experiences everything newly as the reader would, and must have everything explained.

What it often leads to though, and which I hate, is when some miraculous and convenient thing happens (say, the characters are suddenly saved from the brink of death when one of their companions uses some hitherto unseen magic). The protagonist will say "What was that?! How did you do that?!" to which the magic character will say something like "Oh, I'm a Pyromancer. You didn't know that there were Pyromancers? Oh yeah, and we also use magic, by the way. Sorry for not telling you sooner."

It's such a fantasy cliche. It strikes me as a "cheap" literary technique, I guess. And the first half of Eye of the World was chock full of that. I'm sure that changes soon enough, as the setting is fully fleshed out. I just lost interest early on.

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I purchased "Game of Thrones" at the airport on my way home from Chicago. I really wanted "Wise Man's Fear," so I have only read the prolouge of GoT so far. It was interesting. I then purchased Wise Man's Fear in Detroit and immediately started reading that instead.

My husband decided to read GoT since I wasn't, and he said he won't be finishing the series. He thinks it's a bit boring. He's 100 pages in and said the action in the prolouge is pretty much all the action he has encountered so far. Smiley: frown
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I purchased "Game of Thrones" at the airport on my way home from Chicago. I really wanted "Wise Man's Fear," so I have only read the prolouge of GoT so far. It was interesting. I then purchased Wise Man's Fear in Detroit and immediately started reading that instead.

My husband decided to read GoT since I wasn't, and he said he won't be finishing the series. He thinks it's a bit boring. He's 100 pages in and said the action in the prolouge is pretty much all the action he has encountered so far. Smiley: frown


To use a Harry Potter reference, it's like a game of Wizard's Chess. It's a lot of thinking, punctuated by short bursts of action where one of the chess pieces gets royally screwed over.

Also, the entire series is the game, not the first book. In the first book only a Rook gets smashed, and maybe a pawn or two.

Edit: Also, I am a nerd. And HP7-2 is coming out soon! Smiley: grin

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Belkira the Tulip wrote:
I purchased "Game of Thrones" at the airport on my way home from Chicago. I really wanted "Wise Man's Fear," so I have only read the prolouge of GoT so far. It was interesting. I then purchased Wise Man's Fear in Detroit and immediately started reading that instead.

My husband decided to read GoT since I wasn't, and he said he won't be finishing the series. He thinks it's a bit boring. He's 100 pages in and said the action in the prolouge is pretty much all the action he has encountered so far. Smiley: frown


To use a Harry Potter reference, it's like a game of Wizard's Chess. It's a lot of thinking, punctuated by short bursts of action where one of the chess pieces gets royally screwed over.


That's a good summary of it. There's a lot of jockeying for position, and the action is more of the strategic, political variety, rather than swords and spears and such. Not that it doesn't have the latter, it's just that those elements tend to be quick and brutal. They don't take up a ton of space.

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I purchased "Game of Thrones" at the airport on my way home from Chicago. I really wanted "Wise Man's Fear," so I have only read the prolouge of GoT so far. It was interesting. I then purchased Wise Man's Fear in Detroit and immediately started reading that instead.

My husband decided to read GoT since I wasn't, and he said he won't be finishing the series. He thinks it's a bit boring. He's 100 pages in and said the action in the prolouge is pretty much all the action he has encountered so far. Smiley: frown
A hundred whole pages and it isn't a Bruce Willis movie yet? Shame on George Martin!
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Got another 400 pages yet, It's pretty good so far though. Better than Feast for Crows was. Still could use more action though.

Tyrion is not having a good time so far...
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Got another 400 pages yet, It's pretty good so far though. Better than Feast for Crows was. Still could use more action though.

Tyrion is not having a good time so far...
How about shut up. Vague spoilers are still spoilers.
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Dread Lörd Kaolian wrote:
Got another 400 pages yet, It's pretty good so far though. Better than Feast for Crows was. Still could use more action though.

Tyrion is not having a good time so far...
How about shut up. Vague spoilers are still spoilers.


Smiley: lol

Still haven't picked it up yet, myself. I'm busy with Pillars of the Earth right now.
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I'm busy with Pillars of the Earth right now.


Oh, are you enjoying it? I actually read that years and years ago while recovering from a surgery. It was long and tedious at times, but I found the story beautiful and I really liked it.
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I just bought the **** book today. I recant my earlier statement, Wheel of Time will be sitting a a shelf for a few weeks.
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I'm busy with Pillars of the Earth right now.


Oh, are you enjoying it? I actually read that years and years ago while recovering from a surgery. It was long and tedious at times, but I found the story beautiful and I really liked it.


Just started it. I seem to be in the "back story" part right now, so I'm sort of in wait-and-see mode with it.

The narrative seems well written and properly paced thusfar. I picked it up with the thought that as an architect, I might enjoy it a little bit more. Gratuitous description of building methods and designs would be totally fine by me. Smiley: tongue

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The narrative seems well written and properly paced thusfar. I picked it up with the thought that as an architect, I might enjoy it a little bit more. Gratuitous description of building methods and designs would be totally fine by me. Smiley: tongue

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I'm not an architect, but it was still interesting to me. Smiley: lol
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The narrative seems well written and properly paced thusfar. I picked it up with the thought that as an architect, I might enjoy it a little bit more. Gratuitous description of building methods and designs would be totally fine by me. Smiley: tongue

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I'm not an architect, but it was still interesting to me. Smiley: lol


That's a good sign, then. I'm really hoping to enjoy it. Plus, I just think it has a cool title and cover, though I hear you're not supposed to judge a book by that or something.
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#36 Jul 16 2011 at 7:53 PM Rating: Good
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I read the first four books that way. The narrator for the first three, Roy Dotrice, makes them quite worthwhile. He's great. Unfortunately they changed narrator's for Feast for Crows and Dance with Dragons, and the new guy isn't as good.


It seems that Roy Dotrice is the narrator for this one after all from what I've read online. I'll need to look into this when I finally finish Memory, Sorrow and Thorn. (I can't listen to my iPod at work any more, so I've slowed down a lot now...)
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I read the first four books that way. The narrator for the first three, Roy Dotrice, makes them quite worthwhile. He's great. Unfortunately they changed narrator's for Feast for Crows and Dance with Dragons, and the new guy isn't as good.


It seems that Roy Dotrice is the narrator for this one after all from what I've read online. I'll need to look into this when I finally finish Memory, Sorrow and Thorn. (I can't listen to my iPod at work any more, so I've slowed down a lot now...)


Oh, awesome. I'd wait for the audiobook, but since my girlfriend reads them in book form, I suppose there's no reason to get two different copies.
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The first few chapters are quite compelling, I'm enjoying it so far. Even if I've already spoiled the ending for myself.

(I can't help myself, I tend to read the final pages of books often, it's mostly the build-up of a story that interests me most anyway not always the finish)

And I'm not telling a word, not even with spoiler tags.

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The first few chapters are quite compelling, I'm enjoying it so far. Even if I've already spoiled the ending for myself.

(I can't help myself, I tend to read the final pages of books often, it's mostly the build-up of a story that interests me most anyway not always the finish)
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I'm officially annoyed at George R.R. martin now.

Seriously, its like he has a list of characters that people like, and he just kills them off to see how many people he can **** off. Sure, I'll admit the person stabbed towards the end at that certain location might not actually be dead, but that can't exactly have been healthy either. Then the whole telling us major characters were killed in battle and not describing the battle at all, preferring to put that in the next book when it is released 20 years from now? What the hell. And then hell, while we are at it, lets introduce more major charactrers, kill a few more characters off, almost completely ignore some others, and leave the whole siituation more messed up and less close to resolution than when we started.

Here's how the last book ends: "and then, everybody everywhere died. After that, the corpse people and the others lived happily ever after, the end!"


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The first few chapters are quite compelling, I'm enjoying it so far. Even if I've already spoiled the ending for myself.

(I can't help myself, I tend to read the final pages of books often, it's mostly the build-up of a story that interests me most anyway not always the finish)
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Like I said, the ending isn't always my main delight of a book. Definitely not with a book that's part of a series and isn't the actual ending.

Although, I must admit, the first thing I did with Stephen King's Dark Tower part 7 was read the ending. :D
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Seriously, its like he has a list of characters that people like, and he just kills them off to see how many people he can **** off. Sure, I'll admit the person stabbed towards the end at that certain location might not actually be dead, but that can't exactly have been healthy either. Then the whole telling us major characters were killed in battle and not describing the battle at all, preferring to put that in the next book when it is released 20 years from now? What the hell. And then hell, while we are at it, lets introduce more major charactrers, kill a few more characters off, almost completely ignore some others, and leave the whole siituation more messed up and less close to resolution than when we started.

Here's how the last book ends: "and then, everybody everywhere died. After that, the corpse people and the others lived happily ever after, the end!"


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I know, although I do believe that the character stabbed at the end is physically dead. There seems to be some foreshadowing done in the beginning of the book about other possibilities after that though. As for the ending of the series, Martin has stated at one point that he wanted it to end with Westeros completely in ruins, nothing left but ashes and dust. Valar Morghulis to the extreme I suppose.

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I know, although I do believe that the character stabbed at the end is physically dead. There seems to be some foreshadowing done in the beginning of the book about other possibilities after that though. As for the ending of the series, Martin has stated at one point that he wanted it to end with Westeros completely in ruins, nothing left but ashes and dust. Valar Morghulis to the extreme I suppose.

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Figures. The wall's coming down when some idiot blows that soundless horn they found with the dragonglass way back in the beginning that turns out to be the real horn of jourmuz or whatever the **** it was, Arya's going to singlehandedly kill eveyone within a 500 mile radius of wherever she ends up, Brans going to make all the trees shoot death rays and laserbeams at everyone, the direwolves are going to eat all the crannogmen and the children of the forest, The dragons are going to eat all the dothraki and most of the slavers, Sansa's going to go insane and turn berserker and kill everyone up that direction, Tyrion is going to end up in some sort of trebuchet incident gone horribly wrong, the others kill everyone else, then a massive undetected asteroid takes out the whole planet. Then a black hole eats the galexy for good measure. Maybe rickon will turn cannile and eat roose.

I figure we're in for at least one more "head of the dragon" to be suprise revealed next book, though I can't imagine who it would be.
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Just finished. Wow.

So, 110% better than the last book, that's for sure. We went from ~60% Lannister chapters to having only about two chapters of Cersei and one of Jaime (although I'll admit I'm curious as **** as to what happened with Brienne and him after they disappeared).

Pretty much loved all of it...
And then Jon gets stabbed to death. COME ON! He's my favorite! Yes, it is not 100% sure that he died, but no death really is. Martell was ambiguous too until the next chapter. I honestly thought we were going to get some Dany magic from him and he wouldn't be roasted alive. Not that I liked him, but I'm fully expecting three dragon riders, and so far we only have one. Kevan was kinda disappointing, but oh well.

My thoughts on the future/present

-Tyrion gets to Merene, worms his way into Dany's service (likely as a servant or something), eventually gets the grey plague, and dies. I really hope he gets to **** up Penny first. And then she dies of the plague too, because GRRM hates happy endings.
-Stannis isn't dead. I don't know what's up with the banker showing up with the Ironmen, but I don't think Stannis bit it in the blizzard.
-Mance was captured and tortured. How Ramsay got through the glamour I don't know, but it probably has to do with him losing the ruby. Flaying revealed the rest of his secrets, but Theon and Jeyne got away and back to Stannis. I want Ramsay to die SOOO badly. He's the only truly "evil" character we've had since the Mountain.
-Jon Snow is probably dead. Sad to say, but I can't see him surviving several knife wounds from his friends. And honestly... this sounds rough, but he deserved it. He was skirting his vows for a while with the wildlings, and while his plan to kill Ramsay made me cheer, his death was fully justified by his oath.
-In all likelihood, Melisandre will save his life, because honestly Jon's just too awesome to kill off. Right? RIGHT!?!?
-I really missed hearing anything from Sansa in this book. She only had, what, three chapters last book? But they were my favorite out of all of them.
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Some other thoughts:
-Jon is probably dead. However, I'm thinking he will be placed in Ghost. From there, a few things could happen: he could be brought back by Melisandre; he could go see Bran; or hell, maybe he learns more about being a Warg.

-Jon is a Targaryn. It's a stretch, but the fact that SO much speculation has been going on about his mother leads me to believe he's one of "heads of the dragon." First, Melisandre is seeing him again and again in prophecy. We assume Ned is his father, and the timeline wouldn't make sense for the father being Brandon Stark (who was dead more than a year before), but Rhaegar had "kidnapped" and been "raping" Lyanna during the time Ned was at war. Her last words ("Promise me, Ned") could have been her making him promise to raise Jon as his own child.

-From this, I think Jon will become a head of the dragon. Either he gets his body back, or he becomes a warg and takes control of a dragon.

Other things...

-The greenseer with Bran is likely a former commander of the Night Watch from a hundred years ago. Apparently he's part of a series of short stories from Martin called "The Adventures of Dunk and Egg," and is nicknamed Raventree. Only issue with this is I'm preeeeeetty sure they said the greenseer is a few hundred years old, and this would put his age at about 100 (Egg is Maester Aemon's brother).

-Coldhands is pretty much universally thought to be Benjen.

-I missed it before, but Rickon s on Skagos, an island of cannibals.

-I also missed it, but some of the Freys who had been killed were served as pies at Ramsay's wedding. A lot of Abel/Mance's singing alludes to more than they seem to. Even Abel itself is an anagram of Bael (the Bard) who stole the lord of Winterfell's daughter in the wildlings' songs.
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Oh, and not that it matters, but there seems to be some debate on who killed Little Walder.

Honestly I'm not sure why this is. It seemed immediately obvious to me that Big Walder and/or the Bastard's Boys did it, looking for an excuse to start trouble. Abel and his girls deny it, and I don't think Manderly could have done it. That leaves what seems to be an obvious answer: Big Walder was getting sick of his cousin and decided to cash in on the recent deaths. Little Walder didn't enjoy torture like Ramsay's other toadies, so they offed him.
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Just finished. Wow.

So, 110% better than the last book, that's for sure. We went from ~60% Lannister chapters to having only about two chapters of Cersei and one of Jaime (although I'll admit I'm curious as **** as to what happened with Brienne and him after they disappeared).

Pretty much loved all of it...
And then Jon gets stabbed to death. COME ON! He's my favorite! Yes, it is not 100% sure that he died, but no death really is. Martell was ambiguous too until the next chapter. I honestly thought we were going to get some Dany magic from him and he wouldn't be roasted alive. Not that I liked him, but I'm fully expecting three dragon riders, and so far we only have one. Kevan was kinda disappointing, but oh well.

My thoughts on the future/present

-Tyrion gets to Merene, worms his way into Dany's service (likely as a servant or something), eventually gets the grey plague, and dies. I really hope he gets to **** up Penny first. And then she dies of the plague too, because GRRM hates happy endings.
-Stannis isn't dead. I don't know what's up with the banker showing up with the Ironmen, but I don't think Stannis bit it in the blizzard.
-Mance was captured and tortured. How Ramsay got through the glamour I don't know, but it probably has to do with him losing the ruby. Flaying revealed the rest of his secrets, but Theon and Jeyne got away and back to Stannis. I want Ramsay to die SOOO badly. He's the only truly "evil" character we've had since the Mountain.
-Jon Snow is probably dead. Sad to say, but I can't see him surviving several knife wounds from his friends. And honestly... this sounds rough, but he deserved it. He was skirting his vows for a while with the wildlings, and while his plan to kill Ramsay made me cheer, his death was fully justified by his oath.
-In all likelihood, Melisandre will save his life, because honestly Jon's just too awesome to kill off. Right? RIGHT!?!?
-I really missed hearing anything from Sansa in this book. She only had, what, three chapters last book? But they were my favorite out of all of them.



Jon should be a warg with Ghost I think, not sure how that can change after it happens, I don't think a dead skinchanger can jump anymore after his final choice. I think the thought that he's a Targaryen rape child is pretty accurate, but it would be hard for him to become a dragonrider later on. Although, nothing's certain at this point.

Anyone know when the next book is due?
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Anyone know when the next book is due?

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You're funny!





... oh, you were serious? No idea. Apparently at least 100 manuscript pages were moved from ADWD and put in the next book. So far there's only been three confirmed POVs:
Arianne Martell
Sansa Stark
Aeron 'Damphair' Greyjoy

There also may be a POV chapter for Arya Stark, but that was from GRRM's livejournal in June of 2010, so it's possible it was moved back into ADWD. And I think it's been confirmed that Rickon and Osha make a reappearance, as well as Mago, a Dothraki from the first book (who was actually killed in the TV series, despite the producers being told that he'll be back).

Since the last book took 6 years, and Martin is busy with his other writing and the TV series, it'll likely be a couple of years at least. In the meantime there are several novellas (including the ones I mentioned in previous posts) being developed, as well as a potential companion volume.

All of this might whet our tastes, but will likely also slow writing for the new book Smiley: mad
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Gonna finally go buy it tomorrow.


Until then, I should really stop clicking this thread. No good can come of it.
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THE BLACK THREAD


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So I still haven't picked up a copy yet, but I was just speaking to a girl on the train who was reading it, and she let me take a look-through. It's like a goddamned geography text....what are there, 12 maps?

She had it signed. Apparently GRRM was in town last week for a big signing. She said he was super-friendly, and looked like a tugboat captain.

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