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#1 Jul 05 2011 at 7:13 PM Rating: Excellent
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Might as well keep up the Comic to Movie thread trend.

The best thing about Captain America's backstory is that, for the most part, it never changes. Unlike other heroes, their backstories have to be altered slightly so their ages make sense. Tony Stark was first injured in Vietnam, but as time went on that didn't work anymore to keep him his age, so it was canonically changed to being injured in Iraq. That kind of change I can tolerate. Sometimes you just have to. Cap, though, has the built in "frozen for whatever amount of time we need" plot device to always keep him in World War II. So no matter how much things change, whether in comics or cartoons or even movies, we'll always have Cap punching Nazis.

And really, that's all I'm looking for in the movie. I enjoy Captain America, though he isn't really that high on my list of favorites. I've been reading his book recently, after I caught up with Iron Man and needed something else to read, and he's got a pretty good story. Though, I don't see it being in the movie. Just from the trailers, much like Iron Man and (I'm asuming) Thor are based on the Ultimate Universe, which I'm unfamiliar with outside the the basics.

I do see a few canon inconsistencies, but they don't appear to be so far off that I'd mind them at all. Even the costume shown doesn't look wrong, just a functional version of his original costume. The one that was just a helmet and not a full cowl. The history looks right, the villain is, to put simply, the only villain I'd expect to see in a Captain America movie.

So what I'm looking forward to: Steve Rogers punching Nazis, and Mad Shield Bouncing Geometry Physics Skills™. Really, this might end up being my favorite comic movie. Though, I will concede that I'll still find issues, but I doubt they'll be anywhere near as epic of annoyances as with the X-Men movies, Spider-Man, and even the lack of butler Jarvis from Iron Man. And yes, I realize that Jarvis in Ultimate is the name of the computer, which makes it correctly done in the movies.

I still miss Jarvis the Butler.
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#2 Jul 05 2011 at 7:30 PM Rating: Decent
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I'll watch it. Pretty much all I know of the storyline is what I've seen in the trailers, so I won't have any of your problems. I wish it wasn't in 3D though.

Honestly, I'm looking forward to Cowboys and Aliens much more than Captain America. But due to the stupidly good deal at the local crappy theater, I'll end up seeing both.

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#3 Jul 05 2011 at 9:37 PM Rating: Good
While I'm looking forward to this, Captain America has never been the most intriguing or entertaining superhero to me. He is a product of a different time, and while I really respect that and do enjoy some aspects of his character (particularly the shield), I'm a little worn out on Nazis.
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#4 Jul 05 2011 at 10:41 PM Rating: Excellent
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I never read comic books, but I've known the super hero movies from their cartoons (spiderman, X-man etc.). Captain America is the one I know almost nothing about. In fact I only know he fought in WWII and he's an Avenger. So I'm looking forward to this one.
#5 Jul 05 2011 at 10:58 PM Rating: Good
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I've never been a huge fan of Captain America either but it looks like an entertaining movie none the less.
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#6 Jul 06 2011 at 12:25 AM Rating: Excellent
We made Capt America shields out of cardboard when I was a kid and hurled them all over. I remember reading some of the stories when I was a wee sprat involving Cap vs Red Skull so that would be pretty cool if it is handled well.
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#7 Jul 06 2011 at 12:37 AM Rating: Excellent
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The only thing I know about Captain America is shield slash into hyper charging star.
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#8 Jul 06 2011 at 1:32 AM Rating: Good
Jarvis the butler was in The Ultimates, & **** to boot, but I think he ended up siding with Loki et. al in Ultimates 2 and got what was coming to him.

I'm less excited to see Chris Pine as Cap than I am to see Hugo Weaving as The Red Skull. I loves me a good bad guy, the Red Skull is about as bad as they come, & Hugo Weaving plays a great villain.

The only thing I see missing from the trailers is any mention of Bucky.
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#9 Jul 06 2011 at 4:53 AM Rating: Good
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The only thing I know about Captain America is Shield Slash into Hyper Charging Star.


Then into Stars 'N' Stripes or Final Justice.
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#10 Jul 06 2011 at 6:01 AM Rating: Good
I still think it is weird they didn't release Captain America over the Holiday weekend to go with the 4th.
I know nothing really about him other then Red Skull, and he gets frozen (and come back later..). Will probably go see it.
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#11 Jul 06 2011 at 6:07 AM Rating: Decent
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Sandinmygum the Stupendous wrote:
I still think it is weird they didn't release Captain America over the Holiday weekend to go with the 4th.
I know nothing really about him other then Red Skull, and he gets frozen (and come back later..). Will probably go see it.


They probably didn't want to go up against Transformers.
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I'm a little worn out on Nazis.

That's what they do. Get themselves into a bunch of video games and movies and then you're tired of them. Then it's BAM! Holocaust v2.0 & the Second Invasion of Poland and you're all "Meh... I'm stricken with **** ennui..."

It's called the "long game" man, and you've fallen for it.
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Jarvis the butler was in The Ultimates, & **** to boot, but I think he ended up siding with Loki et. al in Ultimates 2 and got what was coming to him.

I'm less excited to see Chris Pine as Cap than I am to see Hugo Weaving as The Red Skull. I loves me a good bad guy, the Red Skull is about as bad as they come, & Hugo Weaving plays a great villain.

The only thing I see missing from the trailers is any mention of Bucky.

Pretty sure Chris Evans is playing Cap.
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#14 Jul 07 2011 at 6:36 PM Rating: Good
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Yeah, its Chris Evans. Can't say I remember any of his movies. I guess that makes it easier to go into the movie without expectations.[quote=Omegavegeta]The only thing I see missing from the trailers is any mention of **** the "Fear Itself" event going on right now. Just a stupidly lame way to get Rogers back into the costume for the movie.[/spoiler]
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#15 Jul 08 2011 at 12:30 PM Rating: Default
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I don't understand why anyone who cares about canon reads comic books.

...Masochism?
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#16 Jul 08 2011 at 5:44 PM Rating: Good
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Yeah, its Chris Evans. Can't say I remember any of his movies. I guess that makes it easier to go into the movie without expectations.
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The only thing I see missing from the trailers is any mention of Bucky.
@#%^ the "Fear Itself" event going on right now. Just a stupidly lame way to get Rogers back into the costume for the movie.

Johnny Storm in Fantastic Four, played the lead role in Push. Other than that, yeah don't remember him doing much.
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#17 Jul 09 2011 at 3:58 PM Rating: Good
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lolgaxe wrote:
Yeah, its Chris Evans. Can't say I remember any of his movies. I guess that makes it easier to go into the movie without expectations.
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The only thing I see missing from the trailers is any mention of Bucky.
@#%^ the "Fear Itself" event going on right now. Just a stupidly lame way to get Rogers back into the costume for the movie.

Johnny Storm in Fantastic Four, played the lead role in Push. Other than that, yeah don't remember him doing much.
Am I the only person who has an issue with one actor playing two major marvel roles?
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#18 Jul 09 2011 at 4:23 PM Rating: Good
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Yeah, its Chris Evans. Can't say I remember any of his movies. I guess that makes it easier to go into the movie without expectations.
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The only thing I see missing from the trailers is any mention of Bucky.
@#%^ the "Fear Itself" event going on right now. Just a stupidly lame way to get Rogers back into the costume for the movie.

Johnny Storm in Fantastic Four, played the lead role in Push. Other than that, yeah don't remember him doing much.
Am I the only person who has an issue with one actor playing two major marvel roles?


Not really, Marvel killed off the Torch a month ago. It's the Terrific Three + Spiderman now.
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#19 Jul 09 2011 at 4:29 PM Rating: Good
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Meh, I'm pretty sure each of the FF have been "killed" before.
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#20 Jul 09 2011 at 9:25 PM Rating: Good

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#21 Jul 12 2011 at 6:43 AM Rating: Good
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Not really, Marvel killed off the Torch a month ago. It's the Terrific Three + Spiderman now.

They're now known as The Future Foundation, & Spidey's new suit is lame.

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#22 Jul 12 2011 at 7:01 AM Rating: Good
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I kind of like the story involved with the three Spider Armors. Getting Peter back into Super Science has been a pretty decent move, though I'm sure the Spider Island event will bring Spidy back to his original power set. Just hope they keep the Super Science intact afterwards.
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#23 Jul 17 2011 at 10:17 AM Rating: Good
Who are the bad guys in the Captain America movie? I saw a commercial for the game, and he was fighting some alien looking things.
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According to the trailers it's the Red Skull, Arnim Zola, Baron Strucker, and Hydra, along with the standard Nazis.
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#25 Jul 17 2011 at 10:36 AM Rating: Good
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According to the trailers it's the Red Skull, Arnim Zola, Baron Strucker, and Hydra, along with the standard Nazis.
Oh, ok, I thought maybe they were going to puss out and not use Nazis.
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#26 Jul 19 2011 at 4:24 PM Rating: Excellent
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Going Thursday Night for the premiere. Gonna wear this shirt.
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#28 Jul 21 2011 at 6:07 AM Rating: Excellent
I was listening to Chris Evans being interviewed and he mentioned that there Captain America will be needed for at least nine movies in this line of them. I may go check this out in theaters since it won't be a one and done (probably).
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#29 Jul 21 2011 at 7:32 PM Rating: Good
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Can you go wrong with a movie where nazi's get their butts kicked? NOPE!

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Sitting in theater now. Will do review after movie. Almost got into fist fights with two costumed Captain Americas for my decison to dress as, essentually Ezekial Stane with my Tony Was Right shirt. Already enjoying the night.
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Almost got into fist fights with two costumed Captain Americas for my decison to dress as, essentually Ezekial Stane with my Tony Was Right shirt. Already enjoying the night.
Smiley: laugh

That's kinda awesome.
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#32 Jul 22 2011 at 2:07 AM Rating: Good
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What can I say? Neckbeards and their holy obsessions. Smiley: laugh

Unlike my last review, there won't be a Comic Nerd Full Spoiler version. Spoiler tags will be used for places they need to be, but I have a reason. Let's start.

Wow, what can I really say? This might have been, by far, the best Comic Movie to date. And I'm including Dark Knight in this statement. Plenty of action, plenty of humor, and a few little things that made me giddy. I was quite impressed. Unlike X-Men First Class, which was kind of slow paced, this movie had absolutely impeccable pacing. It started slow, as Steve Rogers tries to enter the Army and is rejected. It picks up about midway when he eventually enlists and he's put through training, with not so subtle but possibly subtle little scenes giving insight into his character, and ended quite strong. Not only that, but peppered with well placed humor.

Chris Evans is a good Captain America, very believable. I'll comment more about this a little later. Agent Smith Hugo Weaving was a good Red Skull, but again, I'll have to comment a little later on him as well. Not that I had problems with either of them. I feel the real star was Tommy Lee Jones as Colonel Phillips. He was absolutely hilarious. At one point, Agent Carter kisses Rogers. A beat later, Rogers looks at Phillips and the Colonel is all "I'm not kissing you." Most of the best scenes in the movie had TLJ in them in some way. Well cast movie, great actors acting great, but he simply stole the movie.

Now, my problem with Evans and Hugo is that I feel they were under utilized in the movie. What makes Captain America great isn't the action itself, but the way he carries himself and tries to inspire and lead the people around him. There just wasn't much of that, if any at all. No stirring speeches about the American Dream, and I feel that is a shame. That really held Evans back from being a great Captain America. Likewise, Red Skull was amazingly well done, but just wasn't shown enough of for my tastes. Which is a shame, because Hugo really had the ... I want to say presence for the role. I'll go as far as saying I believed he was the Red Skull.

One thing I liked more about the movie than the comics. Like I said about Rogers' main draw is his ability to speak inspirationally and lead. A little after being turned into Captain America, he's put in situations where he has to gradually become better and better as a speaker. While they didn't emphasis on this more, this characterization works much better. After all, he starts off as a scrawny kid. I somehow doubt he just had the ability to be so well spoken and confident straight out of the box. Really good work on that part.

Another plus. HOWLING COMMANDOS, YAY! A negative to that: Nick Fury wasn't in charge. Final plus: Dum Dum Dugan is awesome. Even his name and his trademark bowler cap and Manstache is awesome. You will love DDD.

Now, here's the thing. As far as a purely 616 canon, this was nowhere near it. Not in the least. So far off that Bucky is the same age as Steve (give or take, wasn't really explored), a SGT. instead of a war orphan that just happens to be there. They got his marksmanship aspect correct though, so that was a plus. The movie followed the basic premise of the storyline, of course, but very losely. Again, I'm going to have to assume it is more in sync with the Ultimate canon, and I know little of that.

Which, leads me to one major characterization that I didn't like. 616 Cap dislikes guns. I've only read up to around 325, and he's only ever once used a gun. The situation was a hostage situation, his shield was thrown to take out one shooter, he'd taken down two others hand to hand taking him further away from said shield, and the last gunman opened fire into the crowd of hostages. He had to use the gun (which was part of his disguise) to take him out immediately or risk more casualties. Even then, he was enraged and hellbent on taking out the storyline's Big Bad because of it. Of course, I understand that without that the movie would be a little less exciting and action packed.

Which is really why I didn't nerd rage at all during this movie. We all know what happens to Bucky, but it isn't 616 style. Had to be fit in with time constraints, and it was worked in pretty well.

Okay, I may have spoken incorrectly. Give me a break, I'm tired. Red Skull's behavior near the beginning was ... somewhat out of character. 616 would never do that, considering he still believes to this date (Well ...) what he believed in the 1940s. That was really about it for my Nerd Rage, which wasn't really rage. More of an exasperated grunt of disappointment.

**** got punched, shields got thrown. By far my favorite comic movie. Worth the ten bucks, and I'll probably even buy the DVD/Blu-Ray when it is released. Of course, this is my opinion and your mileage may vary. I enjoyed the **** out of it. I laughed, and I cheered.

One note, stick around through the ending for the Avengers preview. I've mentioned why this movie disappoints me in a different thread, even before a trailer. The lack of Hank Pym is an atrocity to me. Even though according to IMDB he is getting a movie ... I guess time will tell.

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Good to know. I hope to go see it tonight.
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Good to know. I hope to go see it tonight.


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Thoroughly enjoyed the movie, and the trailer after.
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#36 Jul 23 2011 at 12:42 AM Rating: Good
If you haven't read The Ultimates (1&2, you skip 3), do so. Right out of the box the creators made Cap a soldier first, everything else 2nd so of COURSE he uses guns.

And honestly, The Ultimates probably inspired a lot of the movies that have been coming out do them taking place in modern times without 50+ years of back story.

Imma try & see this Monday or Tuesday, looks like fun & its getting positive reviews.
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#37 Jul 24 2011 at 8:58 AM Rating: Excellent
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This movie was ridiculous.

Ok, perhaps that's not fair. Captain America is a cliched propaganda piece as is, and so was this movie. Most of the lines were incredibly corny (I had a bunch of people cracking up when I commented on how "cheesy" the fondue comments were), with the notable exception of Tommy Lee Jones, who I wish had gotten more screen time. If I was into the comics, or say, 15, I would have loved the heck out of this movie. As was it just came off as American propaganda and action.

Which is exactly what it was.

That said, I really enjoyed it. It's not an excellent movie IMO, but it's exactly what you'd expect. If you like the concept, you won't be disappointed.
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Yeah, I get the feeling that's true as well, which presents a problem for me. As much as I'd like to get into the Marvel Ultimates universe, that would mean I'd have to keep track of yet another continuity, and I already have enough fun keeping up with Spider-Man's current Wolverining. He's on what, two Avengers teams and the Future Foundation, plus his own adventures and probably a role of some sort in whatever event that comes around? Ugh.
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As was it just came off as American propaganda and action.
Well, yeah. It's the 1940s, dude. I'd be shocked if they didn't hit on the era's American propaganda machine. Same with the cheesy dialogue.
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#40 Jul 26 2011 at 10:34 PM Rating: Good
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Yeah, I get the feeling that's true as well, which presents a problem for me. As much as I'd like to get into the Marvel Ultimates universe, that would mean I'd have to keep track of yet another continuity, and I already have enough fun keeping up with Spider-Man's current Wolverining. He's on what, two Avengers teams and the Future Foundation, plus his own adventures and probably a role of some sort in whatever event that comes around? Ugh.


Ultimates 1 & 2 are their own continuity, though. All you need to know about the Ultimates is in those two volumes. It's only when you get past them & into the various cross-overs, Ultimates 3+, New Ultimates, Ultimate Avengers, etc. that it could get confusing.

Trust me, man. Mark Millar, Bryan Hitch, the team that brought us The Authority doing The Avengers. It was fantastic, then they left & it wasn't.

Ultimate Spidey is/was a good time though. "Was" if he stays dead, "is" if he doesn't.
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