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#1 Jun 16 2011 at 11:42 AM Rating: Decent
The Trigun movie is coming to the US, and I was surprised to discover that many of the members of the anime club I used to belong to have never watched Trigun. Okay, it's not the best anime to be released in all time or anything, but it had such a profound impact on anime fandom in the US in the late 90s and early 2000s that it seems like a shame they missed out on the fun wild west sci-fi action (what would technically be classified as steampunk today.)

So I started thinking about what other series are ones that someone who wants to have a broad understanding of anime ought to have watched at some point. As I was going through them, I realized that some of them exist for different reasons - there are some series that arguably aren't that great, but pop up as references in modern anime. And then there are other series that exist on their own merits, or impacted the animation industry in Japan or the US enough to be worth watching.

Here's my list of the two different sorts. Your mileage may vary.

10 anime you probably ought to have watched because of their cultural impact on Japan and references in more recent shows (in no particular order)

- Doraemon - This show had as much impact on many of Japan's adults today as Sesame Street did to American adults today. Three separate anime series were made since the 70s, the most recent one being from 2005. Watch a few episodes to get an idea of what the big blue cat robot from the future is about.

- Sailor Moon - The butt of many jokes, the Sailor Moon anime in Japan is far far far different than the watered down US releases. Mock it all you want, unless you've seen an original unaltered episode, you can't quite get how much this show affected Japan. To this day, parodies of Usagi's final attack speech make their way into anime and manga.

- Neon Genesis Evangelion - Not the first giant roboto show, not the last, but probably one of the most influential. The series is best watched chugging beer, the last movie is best watched sober since it's trippy enough on its own.

- Rose of Versaille - The gender bending story of the last years of the first French Empire. References to this creep into shoujo all the time (arguably the series Revolutionary Girl Utena is one giant reference) and often make it into shounen too. The series may be a bit dated animation wise, but it has one of the most gripping and tragic stories I've seen in anime. Yeah, I cried.

- Tenchi Muyo - Probably the weakest series on the list, but parodied all the time nonetheless. (Again, the series Dual! is more or less one giant reference.)

- Urusei Yatsuru - Rumiko Takahashi's first big hit, and one of the first to establish certain character tropes that haunt shounen harem shows to this day.

- Mobile Suit Gundam (the original) - This needs no explanation.

- Galaxy Express 999 - Another seminole movie that gets references left and right in modern anime. Also just a great sci-fi story.

- My Neighbor Totoro - If you only watch one Miyazaki movie, make it this one.

- Dog of Flanders (1975) - Even today, anime characters make references to crying at the end of the series, probably because their animators did.

10 anime you probably ought to have watched because they had a large impact on US anime fandom. Also, less filler, more substance.

- Revolutionary Girl Utena. Watch this after you watch Rose of Versaille for the most impact. Then watch the movie. The movie is NSFW (actually, neither is the TV series if you pay attention to what's happening.)

- Irresponsible Captain Tyler - Probably the best space comedy Japan has produced. Watch the OVAs too.

- Trigun - What spawned this whole list. You could argue that it was overrated because so little anime was available in the US when it first came out, but it's a show that never gets stale on rewatching.

- Serial Experiments Lain - Probably the weakest one of my list, but I put it here because it was one of the first series available in DVD in the US, and the animation was recorded in clean, digital perfection. The entire series has been likened to a drug trip.

- Haruhi Suzumiya (first season): Those who watched this know what. Probably the newest series on this list, but also one of the best series to come out of the late 2000s.

- Monster - One of the few long series I believe is worth the long time investment. A gripping drama of a doctor framed for murdering traveling accross Europe, tracking down the killer who set him up.

- Card Captor Sakura - The other long series on the list. CCS and its two movies are the best of CLAMP, and probably the height of the unadulterated mahou shoujo genre.

- Kimigure Orange Road - This is a shounen love triangle show, with a lot of sci-fi elements (it's about a family of ESPers.)

- Fruits Basket - Although they only made 26 episodes of the manga, those 26 episodes are some of the strongest shoujo to ever be animated.

- Nodame Cantabile - A josei drama about a strange pianist, a cranky conducting student who can't fly, and their unlikely love story.

Edited, Jun 16th 2011 4:43pm by catwho
#2 Jun 16 2011 at 12:11 PM Rating: Good
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Kimagure Orange Road was one of the first anime I watched subbed, back in high school when I was in an anime club (not associated with my school, just a group of people my brother introduced me to who got together once a week in a church community center to watch stuff). Definitely a great watch.

In general, I'm surprised that I've only seen about half of your lists.
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#3 Jun 16 2011 at 12:15 PM Rating: Good
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It's Galaxy Express 999, and it's set in the same universe as Captain Harlock and Queen Esmeralda. They even make cameos in the movie.

You should also have Lucky Star on that list, it was pretty good for a slice of life anime.

Edited, Jun 16th 2011 2:16pm by Shaowstrike
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#4 Jun 16 2011 at 12:21 PM Rating: Excellent
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How do you define your second category? I know a ton of 20+s would only knew about anime due to Dragon Ball and Sailor Moon as kids, and a ton of teens+ who only know about it because of Bleach, Inuyasha, and Naruto.

I can't really pick a good list for each of your criteria, because I only have my own personal experiences.

Anime that got me "into" anime:
Dragon Ball (and later series) - my introduction to Shonen/fighting anime.
Sailor Moon, Card Captor Sakura, Fushigi Yuugi - my introduction to Shojo/maho shojo anime. Liked Sailor Moon the best.
Serial Experiments: Lain - Introduction to the WTF mind-trippy anime. Only watched it because a girl I liked suggested it, but got hooked on "dark" series after.
DNA² and Ranma 1/2: Introduction to ecchi

Best series I've seen (most came from this forum):
Trigun - a classic
Higurashi No Naku Koro Ni - best totally crazy murder/drama/horror/psychological anime I've seen
Angel Beats - Favorite take on the classic school days genre. Mostly because school days series are boring as all hell, and this one is short, violent, and awesome. Speaking of "School Days," that one's pretty good too.
Excel Saga - Parody anime that will make fun of almost every other series and genre.
The World God Only Knows - really like this. Great for nerds.

As for some of the ones you mentioned:
Evangelion - yes, the old standby. It's like the LotR of mecha sci-fi/psychological. There was a lot before it, but most people will point to this as the one that really spurred the genre and now everyone copies from it.

Tenchi Muyo - I loved this when I first started watching anime, but it is pretty weak now that I've seen more. As for the two spin-off series, stay away from Tenchi in Tokyo. It is an abomination.

Utena - Never actually seen this, but it is referenced a ton. And was the first series where I actually downloaded and listened to the main theme on my computer.

Monster - I read it instead of watching it. It was good. Really good.

Fruits Basket - Liked the story of the manga better, but the anime was well done and the "Love and Life" song will totally get stuck in your head.


AND HOW DID YOU IGNORE COWBOY BEBOP!? Seriously, whenever I see Trigun referenced, it feels like Bebop is talked about too. Both of them are great.

Edited, Jun 16th 2011 2:25pm by LockeColeMA

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#5 Jun 16 2011 at 12:22 PM Rating: Good
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Ranma ½ was my first series. Lots of fond memories.
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#6 Jun 16 2011 at 12:29 PM Rating: Good
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LockeColeMA wrote:
AND HOW DID YOU IGNORE COWBOY BEBOP!? Seriously, whenever I see Trigun referenced, it feels like Bebop is talked about too. Both of them are great.


On that note you'll have to add Samurai Champloo as well, and for movies watch the first Vampire Hunter D. That and Robot Carnival were the very first two animes I've ever seen.
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#7 Jun 16 2011 at 12:38 PM Rating: Excellent
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Oh, one question:

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Card Captor Sakura - The other long series on the list. CCS and its two movies are the best of CLAMP, and probably the height of the unadultered mahou shoujo genre.

What did you mean by this? I seem to recall CCS having some pretty adult themes (her cousin having a crush on her, her brother and his friend implied being gay, etc), although they were mostly washed out in the English dubs. I mean it was mostly innocent, but there were adult themes too.
#8 Jun 16 2011 at 12:42 PM Rating: Excellent
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I believe FLCL is the litmus test for anime. If you can handle it, anime is for you.
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#9 Jun 16 2011 at 12:46 PM Rating: Excellent
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I believe FLCL is the litmus test for anime. If you can handle it, anime is for you.you can handle rock n roll on LSD
#10 Jun 16 2011 at 12:51 PM Rating: Good
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LockeColeMA wrote:
Oh, one question:

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Card Captor Sakura - The other long series on the list. CCS and its two movies are the best of CLAMP, and probably the height of the unadultered mahou shoujo genre.

What did you mean by this? I seem to recall CCS having some pretty adult themes (her cousin having a crush on her, her brother and his friend implied being gay, etc), although they were mostly washed out in the English dubs. I mean it was mostly innocent, but there were adult themes too.


They also cut the original 70 episodes down to a heavily edited 40 IIRC.
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#11 Jun 16 2011 at 1:02 PM Rating: Excellent
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Oh god 4Kids nightmares.
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#12 Jun 16 2011 at 1:45 PM Rating: Good
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Bebop, as the only anime that I can really watch (let alone truly enjoy) seems like a glaring omission.
#13 Jun 16 2011 at 2:41 PM Rating: Good
I actually talked about Cowboy Bebop with my husband, He Who Got His PhD Studying Otaku, and his response was that Cowboy Bebop wasn't all that popular in Japan. So while it could go on the second list (heavy influence on US fandom and/or stuff that's good on its own), it doesn't earn a slot on the first list (stuff that influenced animators in Japan.)

"Unadultered" was a typo. I typed that list up on lunch break at work and I'm on IE8 there and have no spell check. Smiley: mad It was supposed to be "unadulterated." There are some more recent mahou shoujo shows that like to break or even deconstruct the genre (Utena, and most recently Puella) but CCS simply worked within the confines of the genre and did it very, very well.
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I actually talked about Cowboy Bebop with my husband, He Who Got His PhD Studying Otaku, and his response was that Cowboy Bebop wasn't all that popular in Japan. So while it could go on the second list (heavy influence on US fandom and/or stuff that's good on its own), it doesn't earn a slot on the first list (stuff that influenced animators in Japan.)


I was thinking about the second one, yeah. Didn't know that it wasn't a big hit Japan though; that's news to me. I suppose it's not surprising, considering how western its influences are.
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I don't quite like the way the categories are constructed, because it's more about historical importance than present importance. For example, Marvelous Melmo might be said to have popularized the panty shot, but it's not especially significant outside of being first and having others follow. While Evangelion can be said to possibly originate or at least heavily popularize the god-robot genre, it still has lasting significance of it's own outside of being a vanguard. Tonari no Totoro has lasting significance because of it's strong usage of exploration to create interest rather than conflict.

I also can't believe you left out Akira from your second list. It bears a lot of the responsibility for why there are significantly more anime fans today.

Edited, Jun 16th 2011 6:15pm by Allegory
#16 Jun 16 2011 at 5:24 PM Rating: Good
I actually.... was sort of grossed out by Akira, honestly. Smiley: laugh
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Yes. Also, not only is Akira a movie that happens to be the one everyone showed their friend to get them into anime, but it is also an excellent example of animating things right.
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Yes. Also, not only is Akira a movie that happens to be the one everyone showed their friend to get them into anime, but it is also an excellent example of animating things right.


Yeah, Akira was amazing...

Too bad it's being turned into live action, moved to "New Manhattan," and potentially starring Justin Timberlake and Robert Pattinson instead of anyone remotely Asian, huh? Smiley: laugh Oh Hollywood, what WON'T you ***** up?

Edited, Jun 16th 2011 7:39pm by LockeColeMA
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Have we decided if that was better or worse than Keanu Reeves as Spike Spiegel?
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I don't have a problem with any of that, because I don't expect live action remakes to be anything resembling art, and I understand that every change is done because of 1. convenience, and 2. to sell the film to people who otherwise know nothing about it.

It seems many people, or at least Americans, care a great deal about celebrities. I've noticed many English dubbed animated movies will use big name actors who have little or no experience voice acting. Because of this, it seems likely that live action versions will use big name stars regardless of how like the source materiel it is. This explains both racial and age differences. Americans are also fairly xenophobic, and so strange places and brown people don't appeal to them, hence those changes.

All these changes are done to make the film commercially successful, and that I understand. What I don't understand are changes that don't improve the commercial success of the film.
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All these changes are done to make the film commercially successful, and that I understand. What I don't understand are changes that don't improve the commercial success of the film.


I'd argue that often they're one and the same. Everything I've seen indicates that those very changes that are done to make such films more commercially viable frequently only undermine their commercial success.
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Allegory wrote:
I don't have a problem with any of that, because I don't expect live action remakes to be anything resembling art, and I understand that every change is done because of 1. convenience, and 2. to sell the film to people who otherwise know nothing about it.


I disagree, and can give an anime relevant example:

GTO.

Sometimes, live action can be pretty darn good. I loved the live action series. According to wikipedia:
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Nevertheless, the changes in the live-action accomplishes to capture the spirit of GTO very well. According to Tokyopop, the final episode was the most watched television program ever in Japan.


Edit: But ***** the OVA (movie?). Bah, Canadaland.

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I don't have a problem with live actioning an anime. Its when they Americanize it that it gets very irritating.
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I don't have a problem with live actioning an anime. Its when they Americanize it that it gets very irritating.
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Sad that I can actually imagine that would be on Saturday mornings in between the fifty episodes of the various Yu-Gi-Oh series ... seri ... serieses ... episodes.
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