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Hmm, the violence has actually been pretty tame compared to what is coming next season. Just wait until the battle of King's Landing. People being burned alive, drowned, bludgeoned, hacked apart, and shot with arrows.
Yeah, it's the TV newbies who haven't read the books who are shocked by the violence. The majority of the newbies love the show, think it's the best thing since sliced bread. But the newbies who are probably more used to family-friendly TV have been disturbed, and said they wouldn't watch any more because of:
in ascending order:
Bran being pushed out the tower
Daenery's rape
the beheading of the horse
Visery's crowning
Loras and Renly's Gay scene.
Lady the pet wolf being stabbed to death
The book readers were incensed at
Daenery's wedding night rape and
Loras and Renly's Gay scene.
In both cases book readers felt that these were major deviations from the cannon of the books, that were insulting to Drogo, Loras and Renly. In the latter case, there was vigorous counterargument that it WAS book cannon. GRRM himself confirmed that that was the case. It had always been hinted at in the books, but was never foregrounded due to Renly and Loras not being Point of View Characters.
in ascending order:
Bran being pushed out the tower
Daenery's rape
the beheading of the horse
Visery's crowning
Loras and Renly's Gay scene.
Lady the pet wolf being stabbed to death
The book readers were incensed at
Daenery's wedding night rape and
Loras and Renly's Gay scene.
In both cases book readers felt that these were major deviations from the cannon of the books, that were insulting to Drogo, Loras and Renly. In the latter case, there was vigorous counterargument that it WAS book cannon. GRRM himself confirmed that that was the case. It had always been hinted at in the books, but was never foregrounded due to Renly and Loras not being Point of View Characters.
****, someone beheads a horse? What with?
Might have to watch this.
Might have to watch this.
Kavekk wrote:
sh*t, someone beheads a horse? What with?
A huge-*** broadsword.
Aripyanfar wrote:
The book readers were incensed at
Daenery's wedding night rape and
Loras and Renly's Gay scene.
In both cases book readers felt that these were major deviations from the cannon of the books, that were insulting to Drogo, Loras and Renly. In the latter case, there was vigorous counterargument that it WAS book cannon. GRRM himself confirmed that that was the case. It had always been hinted at in the books, but was never foregrounded due to Renly and Loras not being Point of View Characters.
Eske Esquire wrote:
Kavekk wrote:
sh*t, someone beheads a horse? What with?
A huge-*** broadsword.
I'll be honest, I was hoping for a scythe.
Kavekk wrote:
Eske Esquire wrote:
Kavekk wrote:
sh*t, someone beheads a horse? What with?
A huge-*** broadsword.
I'll be honest, I was hoping for a scythe.
Scythes aren't weapons
Dread Lörd Kaolian wrote:
You can watch episode 7 right now without waiting for next week if you have an HBO subscription of some sorts at hbogo.com. Assuming you don't want to wait. Thats the one where things start to get interesting...
I'm a bit worried right now because in the show they only showed little Bran seeing the evil sis and bro ******** before he was pushed off the tower, but they left out the whole conversation he overheard about usurping the throne - that kinda seems important.
Alma wrote:
I lost my post
Wow, latest episode. Wow.
If you want to start watching the show now, start from the beginning. This season is only 10 episodes and future seasons won't be much longer, because Game of Thrones is one of four "Tent-pole" Sunday-night shows in the same time-slot every year. I think True Blood is starting when GoT finishes this year. However, if GoT remains this popular, it's guaranteed several seasons, because future books in the series are so long that they will be split between two seasons each.
Could have done without the two girls hooking up with each other to provide Littlefinger's backstory. Maybe I'm weird, but doesn't the blatant sexuality and nudity take away from the story? It's a bit hard to concentrate on what Littlefinger was saying when the view keeping cutting back to two naked girls pleasuring one another... or rather, the girls were an unwelcome interjection to a very interesting history.
I also don't care for Littlefinger's character. He sounds too... mechanical? Non-authentic? I know he's supposed to be uber-sarcastic and mocking, but still... it sounds like he rehearsed his lines too much.
All that aside, a great episode. More character development on Theon and Osha which I don't believe was in the book, and the endings for Dany and Ned were played out fantastically. The action in King's Landing is really heating up, w00t!
I also don't care for Littlefinger's character. He sounds too... mechanical? Non-authentic? I know he's supposed to be uber-sarcastic and mocking, but still... it sounds like he rehearsed his lines too much.
All that aside, a great episode. More character development on Theon and Osha which I don't believe was in the book, and the endings for Dany and Ned were played out fantastically. The action in King's Landing is really heating up, w00t!
LockeColeMA wrote:
Could have done without the two girls hooking up with each other to provide Littlefinger's backstory. Maybe I'm weird, but doesn't the blatant sexuality and nudity take away from the story? It's a bit hard to concentrate on what Littlefinger was saying when the view keeping cutting back to two naked girls pleasuring one another... or rather, the girls were an unwelcome interjection to a very interesting history.
I also don't care for Littlefinger's character. He sounds too... mechanical? Non-authentic? I know he's supposed to be uber-sarcastic and mocking, but still... it sounds like he rehearsed his lines too much.
All that aside, a great episode. More character development on Theon and Osha which I don't believe was in the book, and the endings for Dany and Ned were played out fantastically. The action in King's Landing is really heating up, w00t!
I also don't care for Littlefinger's character. He sounds too... mechanical? Non-authentic? I know he's supposed to be uber-sarcastic and mocking, but still... it sounds like he rehearsed his lines too much.
All that aside, a great episode. More character development on Theon and Osha which I don't believe was in the book, and the endings for Dany and Ned were played out fantastically. The action in King's Landing is really heating up, w00t!
Agreed on all points. I think the guy playing Little Finger needs to dial it back a bit. His character is lacking the subtlety that he had in the books. A lot of that comes from the direction though, too. That sex scene was lacked subtlety for a few reasons...the obvious one, and then the fact that he basically "said" his character's motivations aloud.
That's fine enough I suppose. Little Finger, as written, seems to know exactly what he wants, and acts deliberately to achieve those goals. It's just that in the books he's much harder to pin down. In the series he's much more overtly evil, it seems.
A good example: I didn't like that they had him put the knife to Ned's throat the close the episode. That was weird. It's not characteristic for a guy who deliberately avoids physical confrontations and sticks to his strengths. Little Finger, as written, probably would figure that there was nothing to gain from putting his knife to Ned's throat himself. Hell, he probably would figure that it'd just be safer not to even be there when all that **** went down. I didn't like that at all.
On an unrelated note, Dany's growing on me. Not sure why...maybe she looks better with the tan that she's been developing.
Eske Esquire wrote:
LockeColeMA wrote:
Could have done without the two girls hooking up with each other to provide Littlefinger's backstory. Maybe I'm weird, but doesn't the blatant sexuality and nudity take away from the story? It's a bit hard to concentrate on what Littlefinger was saying when the view keeping cutting back to two naked girls pleasuring one another... or rather, the girls were an unwelcome interjection to a very interesting history.
I also don't care for Littlefinger's character. He sounds too... mechanical? Non-authentic? I know he's supposed to be uber-sarcastic and mocking, but still... it sounds like he rehearsed his lines too much.
All that aside, a great episode. More character development on Theon and Osha which I don't believe was in the book, and the endings for Dany and Ned were played out fantastically. The action in King's Landing is really heating up, w00t!
I also don't care for Littlefinger's character. He sounds too... mechanical? Non-authentic? I know he's supposed to be uber-sarcastic and mocking, but still... it sounds like he rehearsed his lines too much.
All that aside, a great episode. More character development on Theon and Osha which I don't believe was in the book, and the endings for Dany and Ned were played out fantastically. The action in King's Landing is really heating up, w00t!
Agreed on all points. I think the guy playing Little Finger needs to dial it back a bit. His character is lacking the subtlety that he had in the books. A lot of that comes from the direction though, too. That sex scene was lacked subtlety for a few reasons...the obvious one, and then the fact that he basically "said" his character's motivations aloud.
That's fine enough I suppose. Little Finger, as written, seems to know exactly what he wants, and acts deliberately to achieve those goals. It's just that in the books he's much harder to pin down. In the series he's much more overtly evil, it seems.
A good example: I didn't like that they had him put the knife to Ned's throat the close the episode. That was weird. It's not characteristic for a guy who deliberately avoids physical confrontations and sticks to his strengths. Little Finger, as written, probably would figure that there was nothing to gain from putting his knife to Ned's throat himself. Hell, he probably would figure that it'd just be safer not to even be there when all that sh*t went down. I didn't like that at all.
On an unrelated note, Dany's growing on me. Not sure why...maybe she looks better with the tan that she's been developing.
Daimakaicho, Eater of Souls wrote:
I agree as well, but would like to comment briefly on the part I underlined; in the book, Littlefinger was definitiley there, and he specifically gave the line "I did tell you not to trust me". I don't recall him actually holding a knife to Ned's throat (though he may have), and I definitely agree that it would be somewhat out of character, but I do think that being there was important to him. While not his usual display of subtlety, I think he wanted to be there for self-satisfaction at winning against Ned (and to rub it in his face), who he obviously considers a rival for Catelyn's affections.
Good point.
Ari wrote:
A Game of Greeting Cards.
Let the image macro'ing begin.
Edited, Jun 2nd 2011 10:06am by Eske
Aripyanfar wrote:
I'd enter her moon door.
Eske Esquire wrote:
Aripyanfar wrote:
I'd enter her moon door.
So I started watching this show. I've seen the first 5 episodes since they have been On Demand lately. I have not read the books. I have been looking into it but they are all checked out at the 3 local libraries.
As many have mentioned there are definitely a lot of characters to take in. I was hoping you guys might be able to help me understand who some characters are.
Robert Baratheron is the King of Westeros which includes all seven kingdoms? He is married to that Lannister woman correct?
Ned Stark is the King's Hand and is married to Catelyn and they have a few children, 2 girls, 2-3 boys or something?
Who did Bran catch having sex? Was that Jaime and the Queen Lannister? Brother and sister?
I'm really confused about who the Arryn's are. Ned keeps talking about someone who he believes was murdered but I don't understand who they are.
Thanks
As many have mentioned there are definitely a lot of characters to take in. I was hoping you guys might be able to help me understand who some characters are.
Robert Baratheron is the King of Westeros which includes all seven kingdoms? He is married to that Lannister woman correct?
Ned Stark is the King's Hand and is married to Catelyn and they have a few children, 2 girls, 2-3 boys or something?
Who did Bran catch having sex? Was that Jaime and the Queen Lannister? Brother and sister?
I'm really confused about who the Arryn's are. Ned keeps talking about someone who he believes was murdered but I don't understand who they are.
Thanks
Hyolith wrote:
So I started watching this show. I've seen the first 5 episodes since they have been On Demand lately. I have not read the books. I have been looking into it but they are all checked out at the 3 local libraries.
As many have mentioned there are definitely a lot of characters to take in. I was hoping you guys might be able to help me understand who some characters are.
Robert Baratheron is the King of Westeros which includes all seven kingdoms? He is married to that Lannister woman correct?
Ned Stark is the King's Hand and is married to Catelyn and they have a few children, 2 girls, 2-3 boys or something?
Who did Bran catch having sex? Was that Jaime and the Queen Lannister? Brother and sister?
I'm really confused about who the Arryn's are. Ned keeps talking about someone who he believes was murdered but I don't understand who they are.
Thanks
As many have mentioned there are definitely a lot of characters to take in. I was hoping you guys might be able to help me understand who some characters are.
Robert Baratheron is the King of Westeros which includes all seven kingdoms? He is married to that Lannister woman correct?
Ned Stark is the King's Hand and is married to Catelyn and they have a few children, 2 girls, 2-3 boys or something?
Who did Bran catch having sex? Was that Jaime and the Queen Lannister? Brother and sister?
I'm really confused about who the Arryn's are. Ned keeps talking about someone who he believes was murdered but I don't understand who they are.
Thanks
You're correct on all of the above. Jon Arryn was murdered (I don't think it needs spoiler tags, as the story essentially starts on that). He was Lysa's husband (formerly Lysa Tully, and Catelyn's sister). Jon was the previous King's Hand, and ruler of the Eyrie, which Lysa now rules alone.
This has a nice compendium of characters. It looks like it only has one or two very minor spoilers in it, but I didn't give it a full read-through. I'd only consult it if you're really having trouble though, just in case.
I think HBO also has information on the houses and characters somewhere on their site, as well. That could probably be really helpful and spoiler-free.
Edited, Jun 3rd 2011 11:14am by Eske
Edited, Jun 3rd 2011 11:15am by Eske
Hyolith wrote:
So I started watching this show. I've seen the first 5 episodes since they have been On Demand lately. I have not read the books. I have been looking into it but they are all checked out at the 3 local libraries.
As many have mentioned there are definitely a lot of characters to take in. I was hoping you guys might be able to help me understand who some characters are.
Robert Baratheron is the King of Westeros which includes all seven kingdoms? He is married to that Lannister woman correct?
Ned Stark is the King's Hand and is married to Catelyn and they have a few children, 2 girls, 2-3 boys or something?
Who did Bran catch having sex? Was that Jaime and the Queen Lannister? Brother and sister?
I'm really confused about who the Arryn's are. Ned keeps talking about someone who he believes was murdered but I don't understand who they are.
Thanks
As many have mentioned there are definitely a lot of characters to take in. I was hoping you guys might be able to help me understand who some characters are.
Robert Baratheron is the King of Westeros which includes all seven kingdoms? He is married to that Lannister woman correct?
Ned Stark is the King's Hand and is married to Catelyn and they have a few children, 2 girls, 2-3 boys or something?
Who did Bran catch having sex? Was that Jaime and the Queen Lannister? Brother and sister?
I'm really confused about who the Arryn's are. Ned keeps talking about someone who he believes was murdered but I don't understand who they are.
Thanks
Ned and Catelyn have 5 children together; oldest to youngest they are Robb, Sansa, Arya, Bran, and Rickon. Ned also has a ******* son, Jon Snow. We're not sure who his mother is. Each child is given a direwolf at the beginning of the series; not that it matters, but their names are Grey Wind, Lady, Nymeria, Summer, and Shaggydog. Jon's albino mute direwolf is Ghost.
Bran caught Cersei and Jaime. This, along with Ned's research later, reveals that the "legitimate" Lannister children are all actually Jaime's, and thus products of incest and technically incapable of inheriting the throne.
Arryns are the historic leaders of the Vale of Arryn, one of the seven kingdoms. Their capital is the Eyrie. Jon Arryn fostered both Ned and Robert as boys, and they looked to him as a father figure. Jon Arryn refused to kill Ned as Aerys Targaryen commanded, and instead joined them in overthrowing the king. As a reward, Robert made him Hand of the King. Soon before his death, Jon Arryn discovered Cersei's secret, and was killed as a result (although it is not clear yet in the show who killed him; it is told in the third book). Jon Aryn married Lysa Tully, Catelyn's sister, and their son, Robert (not to be confused with Robert Baratheon) is now heir to the Vale. He's 6 years old and extremely frail.
As for Littlefinger, he, Lysa, and Catelyn grew up together in Riverrun, with Littlefinger being fostered there. He fell in love with Catelyn and tried to fight her fiance, Brandon Stark (Ned's older brother), for the right to marry her. He lost, and Catelyn's father dismissed him from his castle. Lysa was in love with Littlefinger at the time, leading to a fun teenage love-triangle going on.
Think that sums it up? It is a ton to take in.
Locke, he's never going to understand if you gloss over all of the details like that. 
Thanks guys, that clears it up a lot more. If only people knew how to return books on time I could probably grab the first one.
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