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#102 May 17 2011 at 4:18 AM Rating: Good
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If you read the HBO GoT site, the actor playing The Mountain is actually really 7 foot tall in real life. He just doens't come across that way in episode 4 because he isn't standing still next to any of the shorter actors. The actor playing the Hound is only a few inches off 7 foot himself (like in the books), so again, The Mountain doesn't look that big next to him.

They've given him a big horse to carry the weight, and a sword that matches as well, so you have to pay attention to actually get the scale of the actor. Try watching Loras on the ground near where The Mountain and The Hound fight, and later watch The Mountain push through the crowd when King Robert halts the fight.

The actor playing Hodor is halfway between 6 and 7 feet, and the one playing Drogo is the fourth tallest actor at about 6"4'
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I just started this book. I was, initially, having a hard time getting into it. The characters seemed a bit irritating. Last night it finally seemed to grab me though. I'm liking the stunty, Tyrion Lannister.

Is the movie out? Is it good? Should I read the series before watching the movies?
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I just started this book. I was, initially, having a hard time getting into it. The characters seemed a bit irritating. Last night it finally seemed to grab me though. I'm liking the stunty, Tyrion Lannister.

Is the movie out? Is it good? Should I read the series before watching the movies?
No movies, just the HBO series, which will be 10 episodes. 5 are out now.

The books can be slow, especially since the first is based primarily on intrigue and a lack of action (same with the series). If you read the books first you'll get a BIG spoiler before it comes out in the TV series near the end of the season (and vice versa). The books are worth reading due to all the background you miss in the show, but the show is extremely well done up to this point, despite having to make some cuts and snips here and there to make it all fit.

Also, you can like Tyrion all you want. 4 books in and he hasn't snuffed it yet... which is more than I can say for a lot of other characters Smiley: sly

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I just started this book. I was, initially, having a hard time getting into it. The characters seemed a bit irritating. Last night it finally seemed to grab me though. I'm liking the stunty, Tyrion Lannister.

Is the movie out? Is it good? Should I read the series before watching the movies?
No movies, just the HBO series, which will be 10 episodes. 5 are out now.


Also, the series has already been re-upped for a second season, so presumably there'll be another 10-ish episodes down the pike.
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TV series not movie, and THANK GOD, because they couldn't have fitted the plot of the books into a movie, even three movies. It had to be a series from the start.

I'm curious as to what made the characters irritating for you. It's been years since I read the books.

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TV series not movie, and THANK GOD, because they couldn't have fitted the plot of the books into a movie, even three movies. It had to be a series from the start.

I'm curious as to what made the characters irritating for you. It's been years since I read the books.

Edited, May 17th 2011 3:19pm by Aripyanfar
For me, it was kind of annoying in the first book to have these layered characters in the Starks, but have the Lannisters seem to be so one-dimensional. Of course, by mid-book, you see that they are as complex as any other characters.
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For me, it was kind of annoying in the first book to have these layered characters in the Starks, but have the Lannisters seem to be so one-dimensional. Of course, by mid-book, you see that they are as complex as any other characters.
Jaime is still one-dimensional until the third book. It's not until you get chapters in his view that he starts showing anything more than arrogance... although to be fair, it's mostly because he's almost solely arrogant up until that point.
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#109 May 19 2011 at 2:50 PM Rating: Good
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For me, it was kind of annoying in the first book to have these layered characters in the Starks, but have the Lannisters seem to be so one-dimensional. Of course, by mid-book, you see that they are as complex as any other characters.
Jaime is still one-dimensional until the third book. It's not until you get chapters in his view that he starts showing anything more than arrogance... although to be fair, it's mostly because he's almost solely arrogant up until that point.


I find it interesting though, because most of my character empathy comes from hearing their inner monologue, even if they're not good people. They become much more 'real' when you hear things from their perspective, even if they're outwardly just acting like a caricature (as Jaime appears to do for most of the series).

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#110 May 19 2011 at 4:53 PM Rating: Good
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Huh. While it is easier for me to be attached (and have a greater attachment) to a Point of View character, who has an inner monologue, I also frequently get attached (in all degrees) to characters in books who have no inner monologue. They can be just as 'real' to me as point of view characters.



The Stars My Destination by Alfred Bester, and Crime and Punishment by Fyodor Dostoyevsky are both interesting reads because the protagonists of those books are bad men, to greater and lesser extents, over the course of the books.
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#111 May 19 2011 at 7:11 PM Rating: Good
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Jaime is still one-dimensional until the third book.
I don't really agree with this.
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Jaime is still one-dimensional until the third book.
I don't really agree with this.
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Jaime is still one-dimensional until the third book.
I don't really agree with this.
How so? I really can't think of a point where he's not simply shown as arrogant *** (but a brilliant warrior) until he gets a POV in the third book.

-We don't learn why he killed Aerys
-While Cersei does complain about him attempting to kill Bran in both the shows and in the books, he never shows remorse
-In his conversations with Catelyn in the second book, he is an *** the entire way through. The ONLY look we get into any other feelings are when it comes to his sister


I feel a lot of the one-dimensionalness is from his reputation more than anything else. Since he doesn't get a POV chapter, we only hear about his actions, and others' presumptions of his motives. Once you know WHY he acted as he did, and once he starts questioning everything in his life, then he takes on a new dimension. Until then he's the arrogant but gifted soldier.

Edit: If anything he's a wild card. Since we never get in his head (in third-person view), the bets he comes off as is mysterious. But it's mysterious in a "where's the crazy guy" way, not the "what makes him tick" way.

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#114 May 20 2011 at 7:49 AM Rating: Good
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Of all the non-POV characters, Barristan and the Blackfish are probably my favorites. They're two of the few who seem good, competent, and level-headed.

Plus, they're both kinda old, but they still kick major ***. That's awesome.
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#115 May 21 2011 at 5:36 AM Rating: Good
LockeColeMA wrote:
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Jaime is still one-dimensional until the third book.
I don't really agree with this.
How so? I really can't think of a point where he's not simply shown as arrogant *** (but a brilliant warrior) until he gets a POV in the third book.
We do get to see and hear about his absolute love and caring for his brother, even though the father hates Tyrion. That's at least hinting that he might have a softer side to him.
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#116 May 22 2011 at 9:03 PM Rating: Excellent
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You can watch episode 7 right now without waiting for next week if you have an HBO subscription of some sorts at hbogo.com. Assuming you don't want to wait. Thats the one where things start to get interesting...
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#117 May 22 2011 at 9:52 PM Rating: Good
I've been waiting for the Viserys to get his crown since the series began. Favorite part of the book.
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#118 May 23 2011 at 3:08 AM Rating: Good
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And wasn't it so well done? I watched the very end of the last scene in episode 6 several times, because I wanted to get down Daenery's last phrase. It gave me such a frisson when I first heard her say it. Perfect close to the episode.

Anyway, what happened just before her line was just perfect movie magic. I know it wasn't really done, but I can't pick a hole in the effects. Totally, supremely convincing. The producers lived up to that incredible moment in the book.
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#119 May 23 2011 at 7:33 AM Rating: Good
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I have to say, I actually felt sorry for Viserys in the show. He came off as a douche, yeah, but not nearly as bad as he was in the books. Certainly not deserving of having molten gold poured over his head, at least.

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And wasn't it so well done? I watched the very end of the last scene in episode 6 several times, because I wanted to get down Daenery's last phrase. It gave me such a frisson when I first heard her say it. Perfect close to the episode.

Anyway, what happened just before her line was just perfect movie magic. I know it wasn't really done, but I can't pick a hole in the effects. Totally, supremely convincing. The producers lived up to that incredible moment in the book.


All in all, probably my favorite episode so far (but no Jon Snow Smiley: glare). Some really great lines in there.

"Tyrion: I once brought a jackass and a honeycomb into a brothel-
Lysa: SILENCE!
Robin: ... what happened next?

Lysa: "You don't fight with honor!"
Bronn: "No. He did!"

Dany: "He was no dragon. Fire cannot kill... a dragon."

Overall, great episode! And things really start to heat up from here... and people start to die! I'm excited Smiley: grin

Edit: I was a little surprised at the nudity. Nothing different than a rated R movie (Oh hello thar, Devil's Advocate), but I'm not used to seeing below-the-belt nudity on TV. I guess last episode had that with Theon as well, now that I think of it.

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I have to say, I actually felt sorry for Viserys in the show. He came off as a douche, yeah, but not nearly as bad as he was in the books.


Yeah. I'm going to reread the series when dance with dragon comes out, but I seem to remember wanting the guy dead much more than that by that point in the book.
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I have to say, I actually felt sorry for Viserys in the show. He came off as a douche, yeah, but not nearly as bad as he was in the books.


Yeah. I'm going to reread the series when dance with dragon comes out, but I seem to remember wanting the guy dead much more than that by that point in the book.


Yeah, I did a little fist pump to myself when I read that part. In the show, I think I just said "Ouch, man...that's pretty harsh."
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#123 May 23 2011 at 8:43 PM Rating: Good
As the one who has read the first book most recently (just 6 months ago), I can say you are all correct about Viserys. His fate seems much more deserved in the books, as we haven't seen quite as much of him in the show. HOWEVER, I will also add that the people in my group who have not read the book at all still felt that he got what he deserved. They just don't truly know how much hate the rest of us had for him.
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As the one who has read the first book most recently (just 6 months ago), I can say you are all correct about Viserys. His fate seems much more deserved in the books, as we haven't seen quite as much of him in the show. HOWEVER, I will also add that the people in my group who have not read the book at all still felt that he got what he deserved. They just don't truly know how much hate the rest of us had for him.
Viserys is cruel and petty, but man, Joffrey is pure evil.

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Rereading the third book, COMPLETELY forgot that it was Joffrey who sent the assassin to kill Bran.
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Maybe it's a girl thing, but Viserys "just" holding his sword tip to his sister's womb and threatening to cut her fetus out of her (not something she is likely to survive either) was enough to make me feel satisfaction at him being crowned, rather than pity.

I've been reading the HBO boards, and it's hilarious the amount of viewers who haven't been coping with the violence in the show. This really is not-for-the-faint-of-heart adult entertainment. Smiley: lol
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I've been reading the HBO boards, and it's hilarious the amount of viewers who haven't been coping with the violence in the show. This really is not-for-the-faint-of-heart adult entertainment. Smiley: lol
Did they read the series? I think the violence has been mostly accurate up to this point. With so much going on though it's easy to overlook just how it would ACTUALLY look when seen instead of read. Same thing with the nudity, really.



Just finished rereading the third book last night. I forgot how extremely awesome the last few chapters were: Tyrion killing his father, Jon Snow's election, and Petyr killing Lysa. Probably my favorite part of the series.
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#127 May 26 2011 at 7:24 AM Rating: Decent
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Hmm, the violence has actually been pretty tame compared to what is coming next season. Just wait until the battle of King's Landing. People being burned alive, drowned, bludgeoned, hacked apart, and shot with arrows.
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Yeah, it's the TV newbies who haven't read the books who are shocked by the violence. The majority of the newbies love the show, think it's the best thing since sliced bread. But the newbies who are probably more used to family-friendly TV have been disturbed, and said they wouldn't watch any more because of:

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Bran being pushed out the tower
Daenery's rape
the beheading of the horse
Visery's crowning
Loras and Renly's *** scene.
Lady the pet wolf being stabbed to death



The book readers were incensed at

Daenery's wedding night rape and
Loras and Renly's *** scene.

In both cases book readers felt that these were major deviations from the cannon of the books, that were insulting to Drogo, Loras and Renly. In the latter case, there was vigorous counterargument that it WAS book cannon. GRRM himself confirmed that that was the case. It had always been hinted at in the books, but was never foregrounded due to Renly and Loras not being Point of View Characters.
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****, someone beheads a horse? What with?

Might have to watch this.
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A huge-*** broadsword.
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The book readers were incensed at

Daenery's wedding night rape and
Loras and Renly's *** scene.

In both cases book readers felt that these were major deviations from the cannon of the books, that were insulting to Drogo, Loras and Renly. In the latter case, there was vigorous counterargument that it WAS book cannon. GRRM himself confirmed that that was the case. It had always been hinted at in the books, but was never foregrounded due to Renly and Loras not being Point of View Characters.
About the second one, I never really picked up on that the first time through the series. This time around there were some more comments made, such as "sticking a sword so far up into you it would hit places not even Renly had found." That made me go "Oh, yeah. I guess that's not that subtle."
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A huge-*** broadsword.


I'll be honest, I was hoping for a scythe.
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A huge-*** broadsword.


I'll be honest, I was hoping for a scythe.


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You can watch episode 7 right now without waiting for next week if you have an HBO subscription of some sorts at hbogo.com. Assuming you don't want to wait. Thats the one where things start to get interesting...
I've been catching up with the series on HBOGO. I've watched through episode 4 which is where I was in the book. I'm ready to watch 5. I don't want to get ahead of myself, but was really tempted to watch the episode being aired tonight. I'm not.

I'm a bit worried right now because in the show they only showed little Bran seeing the evil sis and bro ******** before he was pushed off the tower, but they left out the whole conversation he overheard about usurping the throne - that kinda seems important.
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Wow, latest episode. Wow.

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#136 May 30 2011 at 11:09 AM Rating: Good
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If you want to start watching the show now, start from the beginning. This season is only 10 episodes and future seasons won't be much longer, because Game of Thrones is one of four "Tent-pole" Sunday-night shows in the same time-slot every year. I think True Blood is starting when GoT finishes this year. However, if GoT remains this popular, it's guaranteed several seasons, because future books in the series are so long that they will be split between two seasons each.
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Could have done without the two girls hooking up with each other to provide Littlefinger's backstory. Maybe I'm weird, but doesn't the blatant sexuality and nudity take away from the story? It's a bit hard to concentrate on what Littlefinger was saying when the view keeping cutting back to two naked girls pleasuring one another... or rather, the girls were an unwelcome interjection to a very interesting history.

I also don't care for Littlefinger's character. He sounds too... mechanical? Non-authentic? I know he's supposed to be uber-sarcastic and mocking, but still... it sounds like he rehearsed his lines too much.

All that aside, a great episode. More character development on Theon and Osha which I don't believe was in the book, and the endings for Dany and Ned were played out fantastically. The action in King's Landing is really heating up, w00t!
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Could have done without the two girls hooking up with each other to provide Littlefinger's backstory. Maybe I'm weird, but doesn't the blatant sexuality and nudity take away from the story? It's a bit hard to concentrate on what Littlefinger was saying when the view keeping cutting back to two naked girls pleasuring one another... or rather, the girls were an unwelcome interjection to a very interesting history.

I also don't care for Littlefinger's character. He sounds too... mechanical? Non-authentic? I know he's supposed to be uber-sarcastic and mocking, but still... it sounds like he rehearsed his lines too much.

All that aside, a great episode. More character development on Theon and Osha which I don't believe was in the book, and the endings for Dany and Ned were played out fantastically. The action in King's Landing is really heating up, w00t!


Agreed on all points. I think the guy playing Little Finger needs to dial it back a bit. His character is lacking the subtlety that he had in the books. A lot of that comes from the direction though, too. That *** scene was lacked subtlety for a few reasons...the obvious one, and then the fact that he basically "said" his character's motivations aloud.

That's fine enough I suppose. Little Finger, as written, seems to know exactly what he wants, and acts deliberately to achieve those goals. It's just that in the books he's much harder to pin down. In the series he's much more overtly evil, it seems.

A good example: I didn't like that they had him put the knife to Ned's throat the close the episode. That was weird. It's not characteristic for a guy who deliberately avoids physical confrontations and sticks to his strengths. Little Finger, as written, probably would figure that there was nothing to gain from putting his knife to Ned's throat himself. ****, he probably would figure that it'd just be safer not to even be there when all that **** went down. I didn't like that at all.


On an unrelated note, Dany's growing on me. Not sure why...maybe she looks better with the tan that she's been developing.
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Could have done without the two girls hooking up with each other to provide Littlefinger's backstory. Maybe I'm weird, but doesn't the blatant sexuality and nudity take away from the story? It's a bit hard to concentrate on what Littlefinger was saying when the view keeping cutting back to two naked girls pleasuring one another... or rather, the girls were an unwelcome interjection to a very interesting history.

I also don't care for Littlefinger's character. He sounds too... mechanical? Non-authentic? I know he's supposed to be uber-sarcastic and mocking, but still... it sounds like he rehearsed his lines too much.

All that aside, a great episode. More character development on Theon and Osha which I don't believe was in the book, and the endings for Dany and Ned were played out fantastically. The action in King's Landing is really heating up, w00t!


Agreed on all points. I think the guy playing Little Finger needs to dial it back a bit. His character is lacking the subtlety that he had in the books. A lot of that comes from the direction though, too. That *** scene was lacked subtlety for a few reasons...the obvious one, and then the fact that he basically "said" his character's motivations aloud.

That's fine enough I suppose. Little Finger, as written, seems to know exactly what he wants, and acts deliberately to achieve those goals. It's just that in the books he's much harder to pin down. In the series he's much more overtly evil, it seems.

A good example: I didn't like that they had him put the knife to Ned's throat the close the episode. That was weird. It's not characteristic for a guy who deliberately avoids physical confrontations and sticks to his strengths. Little Finger, as written, probably would figure that there was nothing to gain from putting his knife to Ned's throat himself. ****, he probably would figure that it'd just be safer not to even be there when all that sh*t went down. I didn't like that at all.


On an unrelated note, Dany's growing on me. Not sure why...maybe she looks better with the tan that she's been developing.
I agree as well, but would like to comment briefly on the part I underlined; in the book, Littlefinger was definitiley there, and he specifically gave the line "I did tell you not to trust me". I don't recall him actually holding a knife to Ned's throat (though he may have), and I definitely agree that it would be somewhat out of character, but I do think that being there was important to him. While not his usual display of subtlety, I think he wanted to be there for self-satisfaction at winning against Ned (and to rub it in his face), who he obviously considers a rival for Catelyn's affections.
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I agree as well, but would like to comment briefly on the part I underlined; in the book, Littlefinger was definitiley there, and he specifically gave the line "I did tell you not to trust me". I don't recall him actually holding a knife to Ned's throat (though he may have), and I definitely agree that it would be somewhat out of character, but I do think that being there was important to him. While not his usual display of subtlety, I think he wanted to be there for self-satisfaction at winning against Ned (and to rub it in his face), who he obviously considers a rival for Catelyn's affections.


Good point.
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I'd make her fly... if you know what I mean.
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So I started watching this show. I've seen the first 5 episodes since they have been On Demand lately. I have not read the books. I have been looking into it but they are all checked out at the 3 local libraries.

As many have mentioned there are definitely a lot of characters to take in. I was hoping you guys might be able to help me understand who some characters are.

Robert Baratheron is the King of Westeros which includes all seven kingdoms? He is married to that Lannister woman correct?

Ned Stark is the King's Hand and is married to Catelyn and they have a few children, 2 girls, 2-3 boys or something?

Who did Bran catch having ***? Was that Jaime and the Queen Lannister? Brother and sister?

I'm really confused about who the Arryn's are. Ned keeps talking about someone who he believes was murdered but I don't understand who they are.

Thanks
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So I started watching this show. I've seen the first 5 episodes since they have been On Demand lately. I have not read the books. I have been looking into it but they are all checked out at the 3 local libraries.

As many have mentioned there are definitely a lot of characters to take in. I was hoping you guys might be able to help me understand who some characters are.

Robert Baratheron is the King of Westeros which includes all seven kingdoms? He is married to that Lannister woman correct?

Ned Stark is the King's Hand and is married to Catelyn and they have a few children, 2 girls, 2-3 boys or something?

Who did Bran catch having ***? Was that Jaime and the Queen Lannister? Brother and sister?

I'm really confused about who the Arryn's are. Ned keeps talking about someone who he believes was murdered but I don't understand who they are.

Thanks


You're correct on all of the above. Jon Arryn was murdered (I don't think it needs spoiler tags, as the story essentially starts on that). He was Lysa's husband (formerly Lysa Tully, and Catelyn's sister). Jon was the previous King's Hand, and ruler of the Eyrie, which Lysa now rules alone.

This has a nice compendium of characters. It looks like it only has one or two very minor spoilers in it, but I didn't give it a full read-through. I'd only consult it if you're really having trouble though, just in case.

I think HBO also has information on the houses and characters somewhere on their site, as well. That could probably be really helpful and spoiler-free.

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So I started watching this show. I've seen the first 5 episodes since they have been On Demand lately. I have not read the books. I have been looking into it but they are all checked out at the 3 local libraries.

As many have mentioned there are definitely a lot of characters to take in. I was hoping you guys might be able to help me understand who some characters are.

Robert Baratheron is the King of Westeros which includes all seven kingdoms? He is married to that Lannister woman correct?

Ned Stark is the King's Hand and is married to Catelyn and they have a few children, 2 girls, 2-3 boys or something?

Who did Bran catch having ***? Was that Jaime and the Queen Lannister? Brother and sister?

I'm really confused about who the Arryn's are. Ned keeps talking about someone who he believes was murdered but I don't understand who they are.

Thanks
Robert Baratheon is the king, yes. Some 15ish years ago, he and Ned Stark spear-headed a war against the "rightful" king, Aerys Targaryan (called "The Mad King"). Their rebellion won, Aerys and almost his entire family were killed (except his son Viserys and daughter Dany). Robert married Cersei Lannister, twin to Jaime Lannister, who turned on his former king during the war and slit his throat, earning him the nickname "Kingslayer." Robert and Cersei have three golden-haired children. Robert also has several bastards (16, if you want to be exact), but I don't think any have made an appearance yet. Robert also has 2 younger brothers, Stannis (the middle brother) and Renly (the youngest, and gayest).

Ned and Catelyn have 5 children together; oldest to youngest they are Robb, Sansa, Arya, Bran, and Rickon. Ned also has a ******* son, Jon Snow. We're not sure who his mother is. Each child is given a direwolf at the beginning of the series; not that it matters, but their names are Grey Wind, Lady, Nymeria, Summer, and Shaggydog. Jon's albino mute direwolf is Ghost.

Bran caught Cersei and Jaime. This, along with Ned's research later, reveals that the "legitimate" Lannister children are all actually Jaime's, and thus products of incest and technically incapable of inheriting the throne.

Arryns are the historic leaders of the Vale of Arryn, one of the seven kingdoms. Their capital is the Eyrie. Jon Arryn fostered both Ned and Robert as boys, and they looked to him as a father figure. Jon Arryn refused to kill Ned as Aerys Targaryen commanded, and instead joined them in overthrowing the king. As a reward, Robert made him Hand of the King. Soon before his death, Jon Arryn discovered Cersei's secret, and was killed as a result (although it is not clear yet in the show who killed him; it is told in the third book). Jon Aryn married Lysa Tully, Catelyn's sister, and their son, Robert (not to be confused with Robert Baratheon) is now heir to the Vale. He's 6 years old and extremely frail.

As for Littlefinger, he, Lysa, and Catelyn grew up together in Riverrun, with Littlefinger being fostered there. He fell in love with Catelyn and tried to fight her fiance, Brandon Stark (Ned's older brother), for the right to marry her. He lost, and Catelyn's father dismissed him from his castle. Lysa was in love with Littlefinger at the time, leading to a fun teenage love-triangle going on.

Think that sums it up? It is a ton to take in.
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Locke, he's never going to understand if you gloss over all of the details like that. Smiley: rolleyes
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Thanks guys, that clears it up a lot more. If only people knew how to return books on time I could probably grab the first one.
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