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#1 Jul 17 2010 at 12:49 PM Rating: Excellent
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My husband forced me to go see "Inception" last night.

There was a lot going on in the movie, and I'll admit that when I left the theater, I thought, "Well, I'm pleasantly surprised! I actually really liked that movie."

Then, on the way home much later that evening, my husband and I started actually talking about the movie, and I realized I hadn't liked it as much as I thought I had. It's the type of movie where there's a lot going on, and you really have to pay attention to get what's going on and unravel everything. Unfortunately, that means that the script writer doesn't have to focus on developing the characters or making them very interesting. Two characters where portrayed as interesting. Their backgrounds and the way they were introduced in the movie were interesting. Then there was no further development, and they became as boring as any other character.

The ending was ambiguous.

All in all, it was ok, but I wish I had only payed a matinee price for it.
#2 Jul 17 2010 at 2:16 PM Rating: Good
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Saw it at midnight opening night.

Hands down the best movie of the year. Lots of people are debating whether this or "The Dark Knight" is Nolan's best production to date; pretty solid consensus puts this as better. I really enjoyed it - everything was pretty well done. The effects were stunning, the tension in high gear in the last hour. The music was epic. DiCaprio played his role fantastically well, and will probably win an Oscar for either this or Shutter Island (or was that already last year?).

However, by the end of the movie I felt a bit of what you did, Belk. I didn't like it as much as I thought I would. While the concepts getting thrown around were really cool and novel, there was not much character development outside of Cobb and Mal. I couldn't remember who the kick-ass guy in the snow world was after watching the movie (I blame lack of sleep for some of that, but really, it's a little sad). I saw the ambiguous ending coming from a mile away. And since it was 2:45 when it finally ended, I REALLY felt the long run time.

That said, it really is a fantastic movie and my nitpicks should not be taken as glaring flaws. Hell, IMDB has it at a 9.3/10 rating after over 5000 votes. The action is not all that hard to follow, really. And I didn't see any plot loopholes, so while the concepts might be kinda new and complex, they aren't hard to understand when you see them in action.

Anyway, I really recommend seeing it, because it probably is going to be the best movie of the year.
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#4 Jul 17 2010 at 8:28 PM Rating: Decent
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I rather liked it, though it did seem to lag a bit about two hours in. They could have dropped some of the action scenes in the snow world. The rest of this will be in spoiler tags for your safety. You've been warned.


As to the rest of the characters not being particularly fleshed out, it sort of makes sense, given the rules of the world they inhabit. When you get to the ambiguous ending, and then look back, the whole story makes a lot more sense if you just assume that Cobb is dreaming and the rest of the characters are projections.
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Thanks for the heads up. I'm gonna see it at the Drive-In this week. I enjoy movies with a lot of "think" involved.

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#6 Jul 17 2010 at 11:35 PM Rating: Good
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The ambiguous ending annoyed me because it wasn't necessary. Why not just tell us one way or the other? It's not like it really matters. I know it was supposed to make me think, but in the end it doesn't really matter so what's the point?


Other than that though I really enjoyed the movie. It was nothing special story wise -mostly your standard heist movie- but **** if it didn't look and feel totally awesome during the telling.
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The ambiguous ending annoyed me because it wasn't necessary. Why not just tell us one way or the other? It's not like it really matters. I know it was supposed to make me think, but in the end it doesn't really matter so what's the point?


I've never really understood why some people have such a visceral reaction against ambiguous endings. I don't mean any offense...I'm just puzzled by it. Obviously I often enjoy them, but it's certainly just my opinion, nothing more.

On topic. I just came from the theater. Absolutely loved the movie. I'm going to need a second viewing to fully appreciate it, I think, but I was pleasantly surprised that I was pretty much able to follow the storyline (the reviews that I had read beforehand made it out to be an impenetrable **** It's going to go into my top 3-5 movies of all time, perhaps even higher after I've had some time to fully process it. Nolan is on fire, that's for sure.

My smallest of quibbles: I wasn't crazy about whats-her-name...Ellen Page? Not really a knock on her acting, which was fine enough. More like she didn't really seem to suit the gravitas of most of the scenes. I have trouble picturing her in anything that's not an indy-flick dark comedy, I guess. Other than that, perfect.

About character development: I don't feel like every movie has to lean on character development as its lynchpin. I thought what was provided in Inception did a solid job, particularly where it counted (with Leo and Cillian Murphy's characters). Devoting any more time to character development would have hurt the pacing, in my humble opinion. I wouldn't want the movie to lose any of its shine in other areas in order to further flesh that particular aspect out.

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#8 Jul 18 2010 at 1:07 AM Rating: Good
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I didn't dislike the ending. I just though it pointless. An ambiguous ending is fine if it makes you think and possibly changes the way you perceive the story, but in this case it didn't. (for me at least. other people are certainly entitled to have different opinions)
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I didn't dislike the ending. I just though it pointless. An ambiguous ending is fine if it makes you think and possibly changes the way you perceive the story, but in this case it didn't. (for me at least. other people are certainly entitled to have different opinions)


Oh that's definitely fine. I don't mean to imply otherwise.

For me, ambiguous endings often work well. It's probably because my artistic training skews me towards liking things that aren't clear-cut or fully spelled out. I was taught to appreciate subtlety and ambiguity, even to prefer it to straightforwardness.

On a more rational level, I like such endings because they allow me to consider two possibilities, while still subconsciously leaning towards the one I prefer. In Inception, I now have the ending that I like, but I'm also able to ruminate on the implications of the other ending, as well. It's sort of like an intellectual bonus, I guess. As I see it, the movie is just a story that was told to me. It's fiction, so I don't need to be restrained by the "truth" of what happened. In my mind, it can end however I'd like it. Nolan put all the pieces in place for me to easily picture whatever ending I'd prefer.

I'm not saying that this is the way that you or anyone else should look at it. Just sharing my viewpoint : )
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#10 Jul 18 2010 at 12:34 PM Rating: Good
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A friend of ours who watched the movie with us made an interesting point the next day. The totem that Cobb was using wasn't his, it was Mal's. I'm not sure if that really makes a difference or not to the ending, as it's my belief that he made the totem his after she passed away, but I suppose it's possible that the ending meant that she was still happy and dreaming. And not once in the movie did we see that totem fall when he started spinning it.

I'm of the mind that, if everything was just a dream as the ending could have suggested, then it started when he took her totem out of the safe. That maybe when they lay their heads on the train tracks, they both died and went to their own limbos.


Or maybe I'm just over thinking it. Smiley: grin
#11 Jul 19 2010 at 12:48 PM Rating: Excellent
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My friend took his girlfriend to see it yesterday. His reaction was about like Belkira's - not a BAD movie, but doesn't see what all the hype is about.
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I didn't dislike the ending. I just though it pointless


It's the point of the entire movie. Jesus, really?? You didn't see the point?

The entire movie revolves around the idea of planting an idea in someone's mind, and having them think it's their own. The whole thing is a structured build up to the final scene designed for the viewer to think "wait, was that real or just a dream?" All the dialogue about inception being difficult and having to be subtle, blah blah blah, is just subtext for the effort gone through to make the spinning top money shot something people feel they can "figure out".

Information is clearly left out of our experience of the film *SOLELY* for this reason, so the ending can deliver.

How long has it been since Cobb has seen his kids? Intentionally not mentioned. What was Cobb's totem before his wife's death, and does he still have it? Intentionally not mentioned. Why isn't Cobb shown calling his father in law, who lives in Paris, and asking him to meet him at the Los Angeles airport? Intentionally not mentioned. Why are his children in identical poses to his memory when he re-unites with them? Intentionally not mentioned. Why aren't they at the airport? Etc. etc. etc. etc. etc. The whole thing is an excersize in meta-communication and marketing theory. The "plot" is meaningless, it's just there to fill space. All characters other than Cobb are meaningless one dimensional cut outs, as depthless as possible. We are meant not to care about any of them, on purpose, so we can see the end and wonder if they were real at all.

Get it yet? It's not the "butterfly dreaming I'm a man" hackneyed cliche that is the original part of the film, it's the wink at the end.

Now, to be clear, I thought it was stupid and ludicrously twee. I don't regret seeing the movie, and I'd recommend it to friends, but it would have been so much better if had been freed from the rigor of having to close the way it did and allowed some of the other characters to develop *at all*, with an actual resolution.

Probably would have sold less tickets, though, and definitely wouldn't have generated the word of mouth effected bu 1,000,000 suckers thinking there was a riddle to be solved.

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How long has it been since Cobb has seen his kids? Intentionally not mentioned. What was Cobb's totem before his wife's death, and does he still have it? Intentionally not mentioned. Why isn't Cobb shown calling his father in law, who lives in Paris, and asking him to meet him at the Los Angeles airport? Intentionally not mentioned. Why are his children in identical poses to his memory when he re-unites with them? Intentionally not mentioned. Why aren't they at the airport? Etc. etc. etc. etc. etc. The whole thing is an excersize in meta-communication and marketing theory. The "plot" is meaningless, it's just there to fill space. All characters other than Cobb are meaningless one dimensional cut outs, as depthless as possible. We are meant not to care about any of them, on purpose, so we can see the end and wonder if they were real at all.


I had almost that exact dialog with Ray after we saw the movie on Sunday and while he loved the movie and I enjoyed the movie, I still wish I went to go see Salt.
#15 Jul 29 2010 at 1:59 AM Rating: Excellent
I thought it was great. In an age where you can CGI action scenes to your heart's content, it was refreshing, & rather impressive, to see a movie do an action sequence the old fashioned way. Especially the hotel scene, that was friggin' gorgeous.

As for the ambiguousness, I liked it. Makes me want to see it again.
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#16 Jul 29 2010 at 10:38 AM Rating: Good
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Oh and if I didn't already say, Joseph Gordon-Leavitt is freaking a cutie. LOVE him in suits.
#17SorinMarcov, Posted: Jul 29 2010 at 10:56 PM, Rating: Sub-Default, (Expand Post) Darn I love to watch this movie but I can't.. It reminds me something that I really hate most =(
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i think the top falls after the movie cuts to black but im really saying that because i love a happy ending and because if they were in a dream the kids would have ran away instead of turning aroundItalic Text
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This comic, written by one of the producers, seems to answer the spinning top question if nothing else.
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#20 Jul 30 2010 at 7:33 AM Rating: Decent
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Special Effects were awesome. Overall plot a let down for me at least. I went in expecting a twist and so 'was this dreams within his dreams' etc just seems so predictable. Still worth a watch though.
#21 Jul 31 2010 at 2:14 AM Rating: Decent
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im really looking forward to go and see this movie this week hope it'll be as good as you ppl say :p
#22 Jul 31 2010 at 9:00 PM Rating: Excellent
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im really looking forward to go and see this movie this week hope it'll be as good as you ppl say :p


Enjoy it. It is very well done.

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#23 Aug 01 2010 at 5:28 AM Rating: Good
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Seriously disappointing movie, but then I hyped the movie in advance for myself so I have no one to blame but myself for my disappointment I suppose.

DiCaprio's performance is identical as in Shutter Island (not surprising as both character are basically identical), the story is weak and just plain uninteresting.

Talk about using a sledgehammer to get a point across, the whole whining about Mal and what he did to her, all through the movie reminded me of Samwise Gamgee's notorious and seriously boring motivation speeches in Lord of the Rings, if at any time in that movie I wished for one character to die, it was right then. The story is flimsy and at times makes little sense, even if it was all a dream or not.

Some compare the movie to "Paprika", an anime movie from a couple of years back, which Nolan said has served as a source of inspiration. The anime is better though. Can't help but think of Roger Zelazny's "The Dream Master", written in 1966 and definitely superior to both with a very similar topic.

Inception is at this moment the no. 3 in IMDB's top 250, seriously overrated.


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#25 Aug 03 2010 at 11:53 AM Rating: Decent
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Personally, I didn't feel that the ending was really all that ambiguous. In my opinion, the top clearly began wavering, pointing to an ending based in reality. However, regardless of whether it was wavering or not, it doesn't matter because he gets to be with his family either way. The important thing to Cobb was that it no longer mattered whether it was reality or not (which is why he didn't bother to finish watching it spin).

Still, I agree with the OP that the characters were lacking. While the ideas of the movie were innovative, intriguing, and thought provoking, it seemed like it lacked emotional substance. Other than Cobb, the other characters seemed paper thin, mere tools to propagate the 'dream within a dream within a dream' framework of the movie. It was as if their primary purpose was to establish the 'rules' of the movie for the audience, resulting in dialogue that seemed forced and awkward at times. But even with Cobb, I felt unmoved by his circumstances because I simply didn't feel emotionally invested in him. Other than the love story, his character seemed one dimensional. Because of this, even the story lacked emotional depth (in my opinion). In turn, my lack of emotional connection to the characters translated into a lack of caring of their overall mission. I simply didn't care that much whether they succeeded or not, nor did I care about their fates.

Overall, I think it was a great movie, it just wasn't my kind of movie. As I mentioned, it was indeed thought provoking, innovative, and visually stunning, however, it seemed to me like they were trying to fit in the emotional substance around the "inception/dream within dream/what is reality" framework. In this sense, the movie emphasized "mind" rather than "heart".
#26 Aug 04 2010 at 10:11 PM Rating: Good
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Just got back from seeing it. It was a good movie, I liked the plot and the writing... but to me I don't feel the need to ask all these questions about the movie. To me, the question of whether or not it is a dream doesn't matter. =/
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I recently went and saw the film and loved it.

I fell in love with Nolan's directing back with Momento (and to date is still one of my all time favorite movies) and Inception has the same type of feel to it. If you missed Momento back in 2000, I highly recommend giving it a view (keep in mind you will likely watch it back to back the 1st time - budget your time accordingly).

I agree that a second, and third viewing may be needed to get the full feel for the story. Although Nolan's other works (Follow and The Dark Knight) didn't have the same "whoa I need to see that again!" power, his movies often linger in my mind long after the initial viewing is over.

Inception is on my 'Buy it the day the Blu-Ray hits' list. Nolan's commentary will probably create as many questions as it answers though...



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#28 Aug 06 2010 at 11:25 AM Rating: Good
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Everyone always mentions The Dark Knight and Memento when they bring up Nolan's past works. Where's the love for The Prestige? Criminally under-appreciated movie IMHO, and one of my all-time favorites.
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The Momento is a great movie. I have not seen The Prestige so I cannot comment on that.
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Everyone always mentions The Dark Knight and Memento when they bring up Nolan's past works. Where's the love for The Prestige? Criminally under-appreciated movie IMHO, and one of my all-time favorites.


"The Prestige", now that was a great movie. Even better than The Dark Knight. Even better Christian Bale, excellent Jackman and one heck of a good story.



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I can't deny it, I've been wanting to see this movie ever since I heard of it a while back, definitely after seeing a teaser trailer. Then I actually saw it and was not amazed at all.
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Apparently, Inception stole it's ideas from an old Scrooge McDuck comic.

That's what they say, anyway. Smiley: lol
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Same idea, but definately expressed in different ways.
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I saw it today. It was ok. Extremely well made: good shots, cohesive screenplay and decent acting. Of course with so action-bloated plot characters were a bit flat. I just feel all these gifted actors didn't exactly had anything to work with.
Di Caprio, who I like more and more as he matures, plays similar character to the one in Shutter Island. Good but not mind-blowing. Marion Cotillard's performance was very solid and was one of movie's strong points. Ellen Page, Joseph Gordon-Levitt, Ken Watanabe, Cillian Murphy, Michael Caine ( 2 scenes? really?), Tom Hardy all brilliant actors fell surprisingly flat due to lack of depth and screen time devoted to builiding up characters. It's not that they were bad, but in comparison to Hardy's Bronson or Murphy's The Wind That Shakes The Barley just didn't shine.

I don't mind complex plot filled with pivotal moments as long as it isn't the only thing going for the movie. At some point all this becomes counterproductive.

As for the ending... while I recognize beautifully drafted script that allowed for this moment of confusion at the end I don' feel like it was the best ending this movie could have. Somehow it felt like "ok, now I'm gonna mess with you one last time" sort of thing. Unnecessary for me. Who might have planted an idea in Cobb, what would be the purpose of this. None of this was in any way introduced or even suggested at any point of the movie.

All in all I would certainly recommend watching it. I just don't get all the hype following it. Nolan's Memento and Dark Knight were both better in my opinion.
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In it's own way I see Inception as an Action/Thiller, with emphasis on the Thriller element. I experienced this as one of the best films I've seen for a long time. While I was not literally on the edge of my seat, I was completely entranced and enthralled throughout. My adult sister spent the last half of the movie with her hands over her mouth, and I know how she feels.

The plot device gives itself grounds for massive use of slow-motions, surrealisms, explosions, and floatings away. The director and scriptwriters took full advantage of this and married up all the visuals to that heart-pounding repetitive blare of horns in an incredibly effective way.

Our heroes had a mission to do, and the question became, could our heroes line up their dominoes correctly, do what they had to do, and have the dominoes fall the right way in the end? This is an action film staple story. But I've rarely felt so wound up by such a scenario, and so riveted watching it play out, even as I knew just by the set-up roughly what to expect. (It wasn't a horror, and it was a Hollywood film, so our heroes had to mostly come through with a success, even with a rumoured "twist" at the end, right?)

I felt absolutely no lack by the movie having no character development. It stood magnificently on its own feet as a thriller.
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Too long I thought, I got bored even though it was good.
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I haven't seen this movie but the first thing I thought of when watching the previews was "Paprika" For those who don't know what Im talking about Paprika is a very eccentric Anime movie involving dreams colliding with reality.
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Finally got a chance to see Inception with my wife the other week. I thought the movie was quite enjoyable, but I have been a fan of Nolan's work long before The Dark Knight. My following comments will contain spoilers, but I am not going to tag my whole comment; if you don't want to spoil seeing the film, then you shouldn't even be in this thread.

Sure. I could nitpick things whenever I see a film where Hollywood is trying to be "smart". According to the rules of the movie, we assume Eames is the dreamer of the ice fortress level, yet when his character becomes weightless in the hotel level, why doesn't that affect the gravity of his dream like it does for Arthur? Do I really believe there is one standard time conversion factor for all dreams even though everyone's mind works differently and at various speeds so you could exactly calculate and time a series of dream-within-a-dream kicks? But should I let these little things detract from an enjoyable and challenging (by Hollywood standards) movie? Certainly not.

Having seen and enjoyed Nolan's Memento and his remake of Insomnia, I see Inception as following a similar theme: how we perceive and question reality and how we do have some control and can affect our own reality. The whole movie is constructed that way, just like in Memento and Insomnia, where Nolan deliberately makes choices to shroud the viewer in uncertainty so the questions of reality and perception are more significant. The supporting characters in Cobb's team are intentionally somewhat one-dimensional, as if they are only what Cobb knows and can project of their personality. The questions Mal challenges Cobb with as she argues his knowledge of reality tug at us - is there really a mysterious corporation chasing him around the globe or is that fantasy? The locations in the "reality" scenes can be confined and seem staged. And the ending sequence once Cobb awakens on the plane is very deliberate in its dream-like direction.

The ending scene is not so much for us to question "Is he in a dream right now or is it real?" but rather to witness and appreciate the evolution and change in Cobb. Near the beginning of the film he is sitting in a hotel room anxiously holding a gun and watching the top intently. At the end of the movie he has accepted that he is happy with a reality where he is with his children, whether that happens to be the "correct" reality or not and doesn't even care to see what happens to the spinning top. I think it has more to do with this change from haunted and paranoid to calm and content than whether the last scene is reality, Cobb's dream, or **** even Mal's dream where she has forgiven him and wants him to forgive himself and be happy, or something else.

Anyways, I enjoyed it and look forward to more of Christopher Nolan's projects.
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My following comments will contain spoilers, but I am not going to tag my whole comment; if you don't want to spoil seeing the film, then you shouldn't even be in this thread.


Not even to see if other people liked the movie and decide if you really want to see it...?
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Belkira wrote:
CountFenris wrote:

My following comments will contain spoilers, but I am not going to tag my whole comment; if you don't want to spoil seeing the film, then you shouldn't even be in this thread.


Not even to see if other people liked the movie and decide if you really want to see it...?


It's a blanket disclaimer for my laziness.
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My following comments will contain spoilers, but I am not going to tag my whole comment; if you don't want to spoil seeing the film, then you shouldn't even be in this thread.


Not even to see if other people liked the movie and decide if you really want to see it...?


It's a blanket disclaimer for my laziness.


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Belkira the Tulip wrote:
CountFenris wrote:
My following comments will contain spoilers, but I am not going to tag my whole comment; if you don't want to spoil seeing the film, then you shouldn't even be in this thread.


Not even to see if other people liked the movie and decide if you really want to see it...?


Also, by the time they got that far down into the thread they A) had already seen it, B) had already decided to see it (and thus probably went to see it before continuing in the thread), or C) decided to not see it. There were plenty of spoilers earlier in the thread so I don't blame Fenris for not putting the tags ;).
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My following comments will contain spoilers, but I am not going to tag my whole comment; if you don't want to spoil seeing the film, then you shouldn't even be in this thread.


Not even to see if other people liked the movie and decide if you really want to see it...?


Also, by the time they got that far down into the thread they A) had already seen it, B) had already decided to see it (and thus probably went to see it before continuing in the thread), or C) decided to not see it. There were plenty of spoilers earlier in the thread so I don't blame Fenris for not putting the tags ;).


I wasn't, necessarily. He did announce it, so anyone who continued reading can only blame themselves. I was just picking a little. Smiley: smile
#44 Aug 31 2010 at 7:01 PM Rating: Good
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Well, can't blame me for picking on you a little too! :P
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#45 Sep 01 2010 at 8:34 AM Rating: Good
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Vataro wrote:
Well, can't blame me for picking on you a little too! :P


Of course I can. Smiley: mad
#47 Sep 12 2010 at 8:15 PM Rating: Decent
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This movie is interesting both in terms of the plot and the background. however, the ambiguous ending really makes me feel annoyed.There is no need to leave the audiences in doubt of the ending.
#48 Sep 12 2010 at 11:05 PM Rating: Good
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This movie is interesting both in terms of the plot and the background. however, the ambiguous ending really makes me feel annoyed.There is no need to leave the audiences in doubt of the ending.


The ending isn't ambiguous, the movie itself is.

Re-Read Smash's post for examples.
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