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#1 Dec 17 2009 at 2:12 AM Rating: Decent
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Disney's back to roots brainchild has the feel of a new take on old conventions. There are the classic musicals, classic villains, classic archetypes, and of course traditional animation, but it felt different than the movies of old. Comedy and romance seemed to play more heavily than adventure and excitement. The characters felt more real than in most older Disney movies, and the musicals less memorable.

I felt it was on par for a Disney film, and while not quite like the classics of yore, not a pitiful imitation either. Worth watching.
#2 Dec 17 2009 at 5:53 AM Rating: Good
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Worth watching.
All I need to know.
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#3 Dec 17 2009 at 7:43 AM Rating: Good
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Will be seeing this next week. Glad to hear they didn't ***** it up.
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#4 Dec 17 2009 at 8:01 AM Rating: Excellent
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I've really been looking forward to this movie. It's kinda sad that I'll be a 24-year old straight guy going to see it, but I'm pretty excited about it!
#5 Dec 17 2009 at 9:11 AM Rating: Excellent
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LockeColeMA wrote:
I've really been looking forward to this movie. It's kinda sad that I'll be a 24-year old straight guy going to see it, but I'm pretty excited about it!


Just do what I do if anyone asks why you're going to see it.

"I hate myself for missing the chance to see Mulan in theaters, so now I go to every Disney movie."
#6 Dec 17 2009 at 10:43 AM Rating: Good
I need to still check it out.
I'm all for animation movies, it is nice to see Disney put out a "new" one.
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#7 Dec 17 2009 at 11:40 AM Rating: Good
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The One and Only Poldaran wrote:
LockeColeMA wrote:
I've really been looking forward to this movie. It's kinda sad that I'll be a 24-year old straight guy going to see it, but I'm pretty excited about it!


Just do what I do if anyone asks why you're going to see it.

"I hate myself for missing the chance to see Mulan in theaters, so now I go to every Disney movie."


I gave up on Disney animated movies after I wasted my hard-earned money and irreplaceable time on Pocahontas, but this one just might bring me back. While likely not as enduring as Snow White, Sleeping Beauty and Cinderella, it looks like it could be on par with The Little Mermaid, Beauty and the Beast, and Aladdin.
#8 Dec 17 2009 at 1:10 PM Rating: Good
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Ambrya wrote:
The One and Only Poldaran wrote:
LockeColeMA wrote:
I've really been looking forward to this movie. It's kinda sad that I'll be a 24-year old straight guy going to see it, but I'm pretty excited about it!


Just do what I do if anyone asks why you're going to see it.

"I hate myself for missing the chance to see Mulan in theaters, so now I go to every Disney movie."


I gave up on Disney animated movies after I wasted my hard-earned money and irreplaceable time on Pocahontas, but this one just might bring me back. While likely not as enduring as Snow White, Sleeping Beauty and Cinderella, it looks like it could be on par with The Little Mermaid, Beauty and the Beast, and Aladdin.


This strikes me as funny, because I always felt that Pocahontas had great music, even if it butchered history. And I didn't like Cinderella at all, even as a kid, but especially as I got older. Snow White was good, and I don't believe I ever saw Sleeping Beauty past age 4 or so, so I don't remember it.

But I loved the last three movies you mentioned. Those, plus the Lion King, are my favorites.
#9 Dec 17 2009 at 9:49 PM Rating: Good
LockeColeMA wrote:
Ambrya wrote:
The One and Only Poldaran wrote:
LockeColeMA wrote:
I've really been looking forward to this movie. It's kinda sad that I'll be a 24-year old straight guy going to see it, but I'm pretty excited about it!


Just do what I do if anyone asks why you're going to see it.

"I hate myself for missing the chance to see Mulan in theaters, so now I go to every Disney movie."


I gave up on Disney animated movies after I wasted my hard-earned money and irreplaceable time on Pocahontas, but this one just might bring me back. While likely not as enduring as Snow White, Sleeping Beauty and Cinderella, it looks like it could be on par with The Little Mermaid, Beauty and the Beast, and Aladdin.


This strikes me as funny, because I always felt that Pocahontas had great music, even if it butchered history. And I didn't like Cinderella at all, even as a kid, but especially as I got older. Snow White was good, and I don't believe I ever saw Sleeping Beauty past age 4 or so, so I don't remember it.

But I loved the last three movies you mentioned. Those, plus the Lion King, are my favorites.


That movie is all about Gus Gus. The story really revolves around him :p

Edited, Dec 17th 2009 9:54pm by Sandinmygum
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#10 Dec 17 2009 at 10:35 PM Rating: Good
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LockeColeMA wrote:
Ambrya wrote:
The One and Only Poldaran wrote:
LockeColeMA wrote:
I've really been looking forward to this movie. It's kinda sad that I'll be a 24-year old straight guy going to see it, but I'm pretty excited about it!


Just do what I do if anyone asks why you're going to see it.

"I hate myself for missing the chance to see Mulan in theaters, so now I go to every Disney movie."


I gave up on Disney animated movies after I wasted my hard-earned money and irreplaceable time on Pocahontas, but this one just might bring me back. While likely not as enduring as Snow White, Sleeping Beauty and Cinderella, it looks like it could be on par with The Little Mermaid, Beauty and the Beast, and Aladdin.


This strikes me as funny, because I always felt that Pocahontas had great music, even if it butchered history. And I didn't like Cinderella at all, even as a kid, but especially as I got older. Snow White was good, and I don't believe I ever saw Sleeping Beauty past age 4 or so, so I don't remember it.

But I loved the last three movies you mentioned. Those, plus the Lion King, are my favorites.


I found the music of Pocahontas to be so-so, it was so excessively happy-happy-PC I just wanted to gag. The early Disney films aren't actually MY favorites, but they have a staying power that is actually quite impressive. They truly are classics and have stood the test of time (admittedly, this may be more due to Disney's marketing machine always keeping them in the forefront of our pop-culture conscious than the quality of the films.)

Personally, I loved the last three I mentioned the best, but by that time the films were starting to get overrun with cutesy side-kick characters, and after those films, Disney would start to deviate from the fairy tale template quite a bit. I saw Aladdin probably half a dozen times in the theater and adored it, but unfortunately I don't think it's going to stand the test of time the way the others did, because too much of the material is topical and thus subject to being dated. I mean, what kid nowadays is going to understand why the genie's ******* Hall impersonation is funny?

As for The Lion King, it was ruined for me when the lesbian friend I saw it with started chanting under her breath to the lionesses, "Overthrow the patriarchy!"
#11 Dec 18 2009 at 12:16 AM Rating: Excellent
I was reading a few critical reviews from Black scholars over Disney's decision to give the prince European features rather than obviously African-American features like his princess.

Some theories:

- His European nation was invaded by Moors, and thus he has a darker coloration
- He is from the Caribbean, and is thus Afro-Caribbean and not European or American
- Disney doesn't know how to draw attractive black guys, or hell, how to draw them without them being a stereotype. Thus, Disney sucks.
- Disney intentionally gives a big FU to the anti-miscegenation crowd by having a mixed race couple. Thus, Disney wins.

Most of the comments were positive, although one scholar critiqued the "erasure" of the Black princess, by deleting her in the beginning of the film (turning her into a frog.) She was concerned that the message this sends to young girls is that their presence needs to be hidden. I can kind of see the point, but I don't think she was intentionally erased so much so that she was a victim of the plot.

There was also a complaint that the darker side of racial politics is completely glossed over; no mention of Jim Crow of lynchings or anything.
#12 Dec 18 2009 at 2:07 AM Rating: Good
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LockeColeMA wrote:
I've really been looking forward to this movie. It's kinda sad that I'll be a 24-year old straight guy going to see it, but I'm pretty excited about it!

I'm 27, straight, and I'll likely be seeing this with my mom. That make you feel any better? :)

My family traditionally goes to a movie Christmas Day. Since Mom doesn't like violence, that narrows the field a bit. Not that I'm not looking forward to Princess and the Frog. It looks a lot better than Disney's done in the past, and the return to old-style animation, as opposed to obvious CG, is kind of refreshing.
#13 Dec 18 2009 at 6:12 AM Rating: Excellent
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27 and I'll be dragging my wife and daughter to see it. Cuz, you know, a six month old needs to see Disney. Right? Right. We clear? Ain't for me, its for her.

Shut up, don't judge me.
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#14 Dec 18 2009 at 2:15 PM Rating: Excellent
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22, will also probably be seeing this with my mom. But my gf will also be there, so that makes it better. Right?
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#15 Dec 18 2009 at 2:57 PM Rating: Excellent
But can anything outdo Enchanted?

For the record, Sleeping Beauty has always beeen my true favorite Disney movie... what with the epic castles and of course, Maleficent... who I have a statue of right next to the Buddy Christ on top of my TV.
#16 Dec 18 2009 at 3:11 PM Rating: Excellent
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But can anything outdo Enchanted?


Enchanted was a really surprisingly good movie.
#17 Dec 18 2009 at 3:31 PM Rating: Good
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Yeah. It could very easily have been really, really bad, but it was done so perfectly that it just worked somehow.
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#18 Dec 18 2009 at 3:47 PM Rating: Excellent
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I haven't seen it, but it's apparently on tonight on TV so I'll be watching it.
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#19 Dec 18 2009 at 11:03 PM Rating: Decent
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Karlina wrote:
LockeColeMA wrote:
LadyOfHolyDarkness, Eater of Souls wrote:
But can anything outdo Enchanted?
Enchanted was a really surprisingly good movie.
Yeah. It could very easily have been really, really bad, but it was done so perfectly that it just worked somehow.

What movie were you guys watching? First of all, the movie was heavily promoted as a animation hybrid. No, it has 10 minutes of animation in the opening and 3 minutes later on. It was just another crap live action Disney movie. Second, it was pushed as Disney's answer to Shrek. It wasn't. It wasn't a movie lampooning various fairytale conventions. It was a romantic comedic dressed up so that moms would feel ok dragging their kids along to it. That's what the movie is. Not a family movie. Not a comedy. A romantic comedic like the kind that are made explicitly for women and targeted specifically towards women. Stick ten minutes of animation in front of "How to lose a Guy in Ten Days," and you have the same movie. It wasn't funny either.

Edited, Dec 18th 2009 11:08pm by Allegory
#20 Dec 19 2009 at 12:21 AM Rating: Excellent
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But was the music good?
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#21 Dec 20 2009 at 1:06 AM Rating: Good
Allegory wrote:
Karlina wrote:
LockeColeMA wrote:
LadyOfHolyDarkness, Eater of Souls wrote:
But can anything outdo Enchanted?
Enchanted was a really surprisingly good movie.
Yeah. It could very easily have been really, really bad, but it was done so perfectly that it just worked somehow.

What movie were you guys watching? First of all, the movie was heavily promoted as a animation hybrid. No, it has 10 minutes of animation in the opening and 3 minutes later on. It was just another crap live action Disney movie. Second, it was pushed as Disney's answer to Shrek. It wasn't. It wasn't a movie lampooning various fairytale conventions. It was a romantic comedic dressed up so that moms would feel ok dragging their kids along to it. That's what the movie is. Not a family movie. Not a comedy. A romantic comedic like the kind that are made explicitly for women and targeted specifically towards women. Stick ten minutes of animation in front of "How to lose a Guy in Ten Days," and you have the same movie. It wasn't funny either.

Edited, Dec 18th 2009 11:08pm by Allegory


That's one opinion. I thought it was hysterical. My bf who has seen it, doesn't care for it other than the scene where James Marsden gets hit by all the bikes. My step-dad and my mom liked it though. It is very silly and over the top, but that's the point. I suppose if you don't like silly humor, I can see how you wouldn't like it. You do make a valid point about the animation hybrid thing though. It would have been nice if they had made it more like Mary Poppins or Bedknobs and Broomsticks in that sense.

I am excited to see Princess and the Frog though. It definitely made me sad when Disney stopped making musicals about 10 years ago, so it's good to see them return to their roots in that sense.
#22 Dec 20 2009 at 4:35 PM Rating: Decent
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Perhaps I was just overly disappointed when I realized it wasn't really an animated movie, and I was really looking forward to one. I've never really enjoyed the Disney live actions.
#23 Dec 21 2009 at 10:25 AM Rating: Good
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Saw the movie last night. It was really good! The animation was top-notch, the plot moved around quickly, the villain was pretty cool. The really disappointing part for me? The music was thoroughly enjoyable, but none of it was amazing. It was very forgettable; it fit the scenes perfectly, but after the scene was over you're like "Huh, ok, cool, next!"

I still highly recommend it!
#24 Dec 21 2009 at 2:26 PM Rating: Decent
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I pretty much agree word for word with you Locke. One of my first comments after the movie was the high quality of the animation, despite Disney not having produced a traditionally animated movie in some time? How did they keep the talent; heck, how did they improve it?
#25 Dec 21 2009 at 7:19 PM Rating: Good
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I am a sitter for a 6yr old and a 5yr old, both girls, and took them to go see it. They both absolutely loved it and I enjoyed it too. They have also started listening to more Jazz because of it, which thrills me to no end. If it's between Jazz or Hannah Montana, I'll take Jazz any day.

All in all, a very good movie.
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