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#1 Nov 03 2009 at 10:15 PM Rating: Excellent
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Maybe I'm out of the loop, but having watched the first movie, I found it to be nothing more than a low budget teenage love story.

What's with all the fuss about it? Why am I seeing girls and ladies alike fall flat on the floor at the mere mention of "Edward from Twilight"? I had a look at him and while I can't claim to be a supermodel myself, he didn't exactly look like Prince Charming, if you know what I mean. And he's not exactly a great actor. What's so special about it all?

You'd think it was a new Harry Potter, but it's basically just a story about a vampire who falls in love with a mortal and vice versa. Wait, wait, where have I heard this before? Oh yeah, Underworld! Color me clueless, but isn't Twilight almost like Underworld, except the main characters are, like, 10 years younger, there's less fighting, less (good) special effects, less **** ladies and more zomgdrama?

Don't get me wrong, I found the movie to be a decent action/love flick, but I don't see why people are going crazy over it. It's like they took Buffy the Vampire Slayer, added a little One Tree Hill and turned it into a movie. We've all seen it before.

Am I sounding too biased? Maybe, I don't know. I'm just tired of hearing about Twilight these days. I went to a book store, looking for the sequel to City of Bones by Cassandra Clare (excellent trilogy, by the way, The Mortal Instruments), but I couldn't find any English literature. I found a guy who worked there and asked him where they kept their English books and he pointed me to a shelf filled with Twilight. I was like "Are you kidding me?"

Twilight-mania sucks. Smiley: frown

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I haven't read the books or seen the movie. Once I heard that the explanation for why vamps don't go out in daylight was that they SPARKLE I wouldn't have touched anything to do with the franchise with a 10-foot-pole. Sparkle? Seriously?

But anyway, supernatural romance/mystery is HUGE right now. Buffy kinda was at the leading edge of the trend, but I think it really Anita Blake that got the snowball effect going. Try going to a bookstore sometime. The scifi/fantasy section is filled with supernatural mystery series, the romance section has an increasing number of vampire romances, and these days the used bookstore has even started to separate the genre out into its own section rather than lump it in with horror or fantasy.

As far as I can tell, Twilight is an effort to cash in on the teeny-bopper niche market for this genre, since the adult series (such as Anita Blake) tend to be pretty gritty and not really fit for young readers.

Problem is, I don't really think vampire mythology can be sanitized all that well, hence the cheesy "sparkle" thing. Dracula was all about repressed Victorian sexuality and since then, vampires have pretty much been about **** and seduction (well, perhaps with the exception of the silent movie Nosferatu.)

But yeah, anyway. Twilight. I don't get it.
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#4 Nov 03 2009 at 11:19 PM Rating: Excellent
It's because every pre-teen, tween, & teen girl in America has read the books & wants to get hammered by Edward Cullen.

Why?

Because he sparkles.
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#5 Nov 04 2009 at 1:02 AM Rating: Excellent
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Twilight has several catches for the kiddos.

Vampires are made out to be just better than humans in every way. They're strong, fast, smart, immortal, they do it all. They snag the power fantasies of tweens. They're also dark, which is to say they're not socially acceptable, the world rejects them, which tweens can sympathize with. All of the main vamp dudes action which should normally be portrayed as excessively creepy and undesirable are portrayed as infinitely affectionate, romantic and loving. Watching a girl while she sleeps? Creepy, nah, just deep love. The female lead's complete dependence on the main vamp dude is portrayed not as a overtly sexist image, but one of loving devotion. Kids are tired of the way feelings are traditionally portrayed, and want something different. Twilight gives them something very different and slaps the label of love on it. It's so unique it must be better than the unoriginal love everyone else has.

or so I've heard...
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I'd imagine it's much the same thing that caused a lot of us back when I was a stupid kid to get into the Anne Rice book craze.
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#8 Nov 04 2009 at 7:16 AM Rating: Good
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I'd imagine it's much the same thing that caused a lot of us back when I was a stupid kid to get into the Anne Rice book craze.


Nah, Lestat was just **** cool & bad ass. Well, before Tales of the Body Thief. That book was ghey.

(Memnoch the Devil was cool, again, though)
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I'd imagine it's much the same thing that caused a lot of us back when I was a stupid kid to get into the Anne Rice book craze.


Nah, Lestat was just @#%^ing cool & bad ass. Well, before Tales of the Body Thief. That book was ghey.

(Memnoch the Devil was cool, again, though)


Memnoch was a freaking awesome book.


Also, Allegory's explanation is pretty much exactly it. It taps into the tween/angsty teen market. I don't know why so many grown women like it, but I think it's something to do with it being light smut.

My biggest criticism of the books? They spend several CHAPTERS talking about how **** Edward is, going over all parts of him, all of their emotions, etc etc. Huge with drama, low on action, tons of description. Fast forward to book 4 when they finally have **** (spoiler, **** and it's basically "And then the next day, the pillows were ripped." What the hell!? The characters only think about **** constantly for 3 books and then they gloss over what was apparently the best crazy Vamp **** ever?

The books themselves were only mediocre. I wanted to find out what happens in the story so I read them all... but more because I hate lose ends than having the story be all that interesting. It really is just vampire melodrama with a little bit of suspense and WAY too many teenage emos.
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#10 Nov 04 2009 at 7:41 AM Rating: Good
I read them (GF had 'em) & they sucked. Granted, I'm aware I'm not the target audience, but to build up an entire series to one pivotal fight & have them talk it out was just cruel.

But, I read this thing that got leaked online where the author of the Twilight series (Stephanie Myers) wrote the first book from Edward's perspective & it was actually pretty cool. The fact that he's telepathic is almost glossed over, as the books are from Bella's perspective. & he can't read her mind. His telepathy is pretty much always on, so while it was from his perspective it was also a pseudo-omniscient perspective as well.

But she got PMS over the fact it was leaked & like a little girl decided she wasn't going to do it anymore.

****

Her other book, The Host (GF also bought), wasn't horrible.
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awesome.

I've not seen or read any of the Twilight books.
I like most vampire, werewolf, zombie, and ghost movies.
I just can't see me watching this just to watch it.

There are a few in my family who are all crazed about the books/movie. I just don't get it.
But at the same time, I guess that is how others felt when i was all TMNT crazed as a child.
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It's true about the sparkles.

I was watching the movie (I carelessly stumbled across it at the video store, read the cover and figured it would be a decent vampire movie) when Edward says they don't go into the light, because it shows their true form. He takes that chick through the forest into the sunny patch and I was like "Hells yeah, we're gonna see black smoke, red eyes, membraned wings of awesome and fangs" and then he starts to sparkle. I think I lost a lot of respect for the movie there. So vampires don't go into the sun because it reveals their final form of... glitter? Ooh, scary.

As for Anne Rice, I enjoyed the Vampire movie and loved the Mummy novel. The latter wasn't exactly "teenage romance," though. Unless teenage romance involves a smoking hot resurrected Cleopatra to have **** with you and then snap your back like a twig afterwards. In which case Species, I imagine, would have quite an audience as well. Tongue action!

Thinking back, it's true that the Twilight story caters to a lot of young females. Even more so in the sequel where that native guy gets a haircut and turns out to be a wolfie, rawr. Vampires vs. Lycan-- woops, werewolves. Yeah, original.

Funny thing is, my sister has read the books and watched the movie and she's normally very, um, sane when it comes to judging pretty boys. I was discussing the movie with her and I told her how I didn't get the mania going on. The actor portraying Edward wasn't even that good-looking (I can say stuff like that without questioning my sexuality, by the way). She just dropped her jaw on the floor and told me he was such a "hunk" and dark and handsome. I was like, girl, look at his face. No, look at his face when it doesn't sparkle! Yeah, he's like 10% of the handsome seen in any teenage movie these days. Yes, he's tall and has that dark gothic /wrist thing going on, but seriously, he's not hot.

She couldn't follow me. It was then I realized that the mania had claimed yet another victim. A girl who will never again be normal until she nails that sparkly vampire guy who can't be with her but won't leave her alone.

Bleah.
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This New Moon trailer looks promising. Smiley: dubious
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Jophiel wrote:
Why is there any question as to why this is popular?


Some of us still hold out hope for humanity?


Obviously, you haven't read My Immortal.
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I'd imagine it's much the same thing that caused a lot of us back when I was a stupid kid to get into the Anne Rice book craze.


Yeah, but Anne Rice can write.

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IDrownFish wrote:
The One and Only Poldaran wrote:
Jophiel wrote:
Why is there any question as to why this is popular?


Some of us still hold out hope for humanity?


Obviously, you haven't read My Immortal.


DEAR GOD!!

I think I popped a vein in my head somewhere. Seriously, I need medical attention. The darkness...

Ahaha, this is too good to be true. Seriously, it's 5:40am and I can't stop reading.

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And then…………… suddenly just as I Draco kissed me passionately. Draco climbed on top of me and we started to make out keenly against a tree. He took of my top and I took of his clothes. I even took of my bra. Then he put his thingie into my you-know-what and we did it for the first time.

“Oh! Oh! Oh! ” I screamed. I was beginning to get an orgasm. We started to kiss everywhere and my pale body became all warm. And then….

“WHAT THE **** ARE YOU DOING YOU MOTHERFUKERS!”

It was…………………………………………………….Dumbledore!


Dumbledore is my man! Seriously, that line ought to be in the movies.

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Mazra wrote:
IDrownFish wrote:
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Jophiel wrote:
Why is there any question as to why this is popular?


Some of us still hold out hope for humanity?


Obviously, you haven't read My Immortal.


DEAR GOD!!

I think I popped a vein in my head somewhere. Seriously, I need medical attention. The darkness...


Wow...how have I lived so many years amongst Harry Potter fans and fic'cers without ever having caught a whiff of this phenomenon? It hurts, and yet...I...can't...stop....
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I know, it's like you want to look away, but you're afraid you'll miss something.

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“Bastard!” I shouted angrily. I regretted saying it when I looked up cause I was looking into the pale white face of a gothic boy with spiky black hair with red streaks in it. He was wearing so much eyeliner that I was going down his face and he was wearing black lipstick. He didn’t have glasses anymore and now he was wearing red contact lenses just like Draco’s and there was no scar on his forhead anymore. He had a manly stubble on his chin. He had a **** English accent. He looked exactly like Joel Madden. He was so **** that my body went all hot when I saw him kind of like an erection only I’m a girl so I didn’t get one you sicko.


Smiley: lol

This has to be a joke. A troll. It can't be serious.
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Nah, Lestat was just @#%^ing cool & bad ass. Well, before Tales of the Body Thief. That book was ghey.


It totally was. I think thats why it was my favorite.

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The One and Only Poldaran wrote:
Jophiel wrote:
Why is there any question as to why this is popular?


Some of us still hold out hope for humanity?


Obviously, you haven't read My Immortal.


Thanks to you, my husband is now reading it and making unhappy faces between pulls in ToC.

If he starts reading it aloud to me... <.<
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Lady isyris wrote:
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Jophiel wrote:
Why is there any question as to why this is popular?


Some of us still hold out hope for humanity?


Obviously, you haven't read My Immortal.


Thanks to you, my husband is now reading it and making unhappy faces between pulls in ToC.

If he starts reading it aloud to me... <.<


Just wait until he discovers the drinking game that goes along with it. :D
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Jophiel wrote:
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Some of us still hold out hope for humanity?


Obviously, you haven't read My Immortal.


Thanks to you, my husband is now reading it and making unhappy faces between pulls in ToC.

If he starts reading it aloud to me... <.<


Just wait until he discovers the drinking game that goes along with it. :D


He's crying now. I think it's too late.
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"My Immortal" has nothing on "Artemis's Lover." That fanfic was so bad, my husband printed out a copy and slapped a UN warning label on it saying it violated the Geneva convention.

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When you get done reading those fanfictions, you should read the ones that spawned this list.


http://www.cracked.com/article_16554_indy-lord-voldemort-fanfictions-5-strangest-love-matches.html
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"My Immortal" has nothing on "Artemis's Lover." That fanfic was so bad, my husband printed out a copy and slapped a UN warning label on it saying it violated the Geneva convention.

You think that's bad, you should read "A sorceror, A Demon, and Emeralds." Now there is a story that'll make you rip your eyes out. I don't even dare to link the story. Of course, I read the slightly editted version from this website.

That link looks familiar, though ...
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"The Eye of Argon", he said bustily.


That was actually quite a good read, if you read the MST thing.

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This. Verily this.

Actually, the TVTropes for Eye of Argon reminds me of an "epic story" I started writing when I was like 12. It was terrible and over 300 pages or so. Maybe I should see the infamy I can attain by putting it online at some point.
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My Immortal is an infamous old parody, the work of an insanely dedicated troll with inhuman levels of stupid tolerance. We hope.
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It was as much about socialist revolution and progress of class struggle as sex.

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Roger Ebert's Twilight review actually explains it fairly well.

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If you’re a vampire, it’s all about you. Why is Edward Cullen obsessed to the point of erotomania by Bella Swan? Because she smells so yummy, but he doesn’t want to kill her. Here’s what he tells her: He must not be around her. He might sink his fangs in just a little, and not be able to stop. She finds this overwhelmingly attractive. She tells him he is the most beautiful thing she has ever seen. I don’t remember Edward ever saying that to her. Maybe once. He keeps on saying they should stay far, far apart, because he craves her so much.

Should a woman fall in love with a man because he desires her so much? Men seem to think so. It's not about the woman, it's about the man's desire. We all know there is no such thing as a vampire. Come on now, what is "Twilight" really about? It's about a teenage boy trying to practice abstinence, and how, in the heat of the moment, it's really, really hard. And about a girl who wants to go all the way with him, and doesn't care what might happen. He's so beautiful she would do anything for him. She is the embodiment of the sentiment, "I'd die for you." She is, like many adolescents, a thanatophile.

If there were no vampires in "Twilight," it would be a thin-blooded teenage romance, about two good-looking kids who want each other so much because they want each other so much. Sometimes that's all it's about, isn't it? They're in love with being in love. In "Twilight," however, they have a seductive disagreement about whether he should kill her. She's like, I don't especially want to die, but if that's what it takes, count me in. She is touched by his devotion. Think what a sacrifice he is making on her behalf. On Prom Night, on the stage of the not especially private gazebo in the public gardens, he teeters right on the brink of a fang job, and then brings all of her trembling to a dead stand-still.



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Yeah, but Anne Rice can write.



"Blackwood Farm" and "Blood Canticle" disagree with you though. Seriously, seriously disagree with you.

I suppose we can blame Anne Rice for the current Twilight tragedy, she set the scene for the misunderstood, rebel, gothic, mostly all gay, or bi at the very least, except if they're women as far as I can recall, vampire.

But admittedly, apart from those two truly awful books, she did it rather well. "Memnoch the Devil", "Blood and Gold", "Interview with the Vampire",... all are pretty darn good. (imo anyway)

I wouldn't read Twilight if someone put a gun at my head. Or rather I would but I wouldn't remember a word I read, although I do tend to vividly remember the worst stories I read for some reason.
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DUnno about Edward, I think the werewolves are nifty.
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It's because every pre-teen, tween, & teen girl in America has read the books & wants to get hammered by Edward Cullen.

Why?

Because he sparkles.
And my 22 year old girlfriend.

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(She just watched it for the first time this weekend)
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#40 Nov 08 2009 at 11:34 PM Rating: Good
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It's because every pre-teen, tween, & teen girl in America has read the books & wants to get hammered by Edward Cullen.

Why?

Because he sparkles.
And my 22 year old girlfriend.

orz

(She just watched it for the first time this weekend)


I know you're mentioning the age for comparison to the preteens, but I read that as if there is a large age gap between you and her. Now I'm imagining you as a 30 yr. old with a hot 22 y.o. girlfriend. No offense =/.
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DUnno about Edward, I think the werewolves are nifty.


I bet Nix agrees.
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loledwardcullen, I've seen hotter guys on the buses at school. Why can't they just swoon over Brad Pitt and George Clooney like they're supposed to?
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#43 Nov 09 2009 at 3:49 AM Rating: Good
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Because George Clooney can act and Brad Pitt ... well, George Clooney can act.

Okay, okay, against my better judgment I've enjoyed a ton of Brad Pitt movies, too.
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Okay, okay, against my better judgment I've enjoyed a ton of Brad Pitt movies, too.


I think his role as Floyd in True Romance is the best thing he's ever done.

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#46 Nov 18 2009 at 11:20 AM Rating: Good
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I like it. I like it probably more than many "young adult" or "teen" directed fiction. No need to hate it just because it's popular...that frame of mind is also only cool to the younger crowd.

I read the first of the Harry Potter novels, directed at roughly the same age group but I didn't care for them. The Twilight books were a little better written (though, as with all teen novels, written with the tendency to hit you over the head repeatedly with any important plot point but that's to be expected). I enjoyed the character development of the side characters at least as much as I enjoyed the main characters...possibly a fair bit more. I found the ending of the series predictable, but that doesn't make it bad either. Sometimes predictable is fun. The movie was, and I never say this, about as good as the book. The minor tweaks that the director made to the plot weren't horrible and the soundtrack and cinematography were fun. I really enjoyed the baseball scene. It probably helps that I like most of the bands on the soundtrack.

It's just another supernatural Pride and Prejudice for teens, really. Nothing to be overwhelmingly excited about but certainly nothing to look upon with great disdain...unless you're just one of those people that hates anything that's popular.

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#48 Nov 18 2009 at 3:03 PM Rating: Decent
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No need to hate it just because it's popular...that frame of mind is also only cool to the younger crowd.


Just for the record, I don't hate it because it's popular. I hate it because it sends the wrong message to the target audience: teenage girls. It tells them that it's okay for a boyfriend to break into your house and watch you sleep. It's okay for him to be controlling over different aspects of your life. It's okay if he's borderline abusive, because he loves you! Oh, and let's not forget the classy, it's okay to not have an abortion when the fetus will kill you!

I'll admit, I haven't read the books and I haven't seen the movie. I've read enough in different reviews of the book to be extremely bothered by the Twilight mania though. I actually really like the Harry Potter books, and I think they try and pass on good values to the readers: the importance of friendship is a huge one. Twilight on the other hand, no. All it does is promote the author's conservative/Mormon views on her audience, and I think that's incredibly **** up. I've also heard a lot of people complain that her books aren't even well written, but I'm not going to agree or disagree with that since I haven't read the books. However, the idea of Edward "sparkling" is just retarded.
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Nexa wrote:
I read the first of the Harry Potter novels, directed at roughly the same age group but I didn't care for them. The Twilight books were a little better written (though, as with all teen novels, written with the tendency to hit you over the head repeatedly with any important plot point but that's to be expected). I enjoyed the character development of the side characters at least as much as I enjoyed the main characters...possibly a fair bit more.


I found Harry Potter vastly superior. The overall story was just so much better. Twilight focuses on character interaction... and by character interaction, it's pretty much Bella and Edward to the exclusion of almost everyone else. Bella's human friends literally become "Oh, now he's dating her" later on. That's all. You get back story with the vampires, but you hardly ever go into detail like the main couple.

After 4 books, I was SO over it.

The only part of the series I liked, literary-wise, was near the beginning of the second book, when it just lists the months and otherwise blank pages. I thought it made the point simply and directly; probably because the rest of the **** book was Bella crying over Edward, in great detail. It was a neat deviation, but it says a lot (to me, anyway) when the best part of the series in writing is where you write practically nothing.

As for the series itself, well, the 4th book was my favorite just because something actually HAPPENS in it. But as said, the long-awaited **** scene was totally glossed over. Another example of fail (I understand the target audience, but there are so many sexual allusions made already that some vague but hot description would have been perfect there).


I definitely don't hate it due its popularity. It's just, unlike series like HP, I just cannot understand how people think the writing is good. It might be the frame of mind you're in, though. I enjoy HP, but I'm sure a lot of Twilighters think it's not that good and would rather have several chapters describing Edward's abs as some kind of marble statue. Can you imagine having **** with that? Ugh.
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#50 Nov 18 2009 at 3:40 PM Rating: Good
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No need to hate it just because it's popular...that frame of mind is also only cool to the younger crowd.


Just for the record, I don't hate it because it's popular. I hate it because it sends the wrong message to the target audience: teenage girls. It tells them that it's okay for a boyfriend to break into your house and watch you sleep. It's okay for him to be controlling over different aspects of your life. It's okay if he's borderline abusive, because he loves you! Oh, and let's not forget the classy, it's okay to not have an abortion when the fetus will kill you!

I'll admit, I haven't read the books and I haven't seen the movie. I've read enough in different reviews of the book to be extremely bothered by the Twilight mania though. I actually really like the Harry Potter books, and I think they try and pass on good values to the readers: the importance of friendship is a huge one. Twilight on the other hand, no. All it does is promote the author's conservative/Mormon views on her audience, and I think that's incredibly @#%^ed up. I've also heard a lot of people complain that her books aren't even well written, but I'm not going to agree or disagree with that since I haven't read the books. However, the idea of Edward "sparkling" is just retarded.


haha, I see that you haven't read the books. It's funny that you'd have so many comments on what happens in a book and a movie you haven't read/watched, but to each their own...I'm more of the "original research and form your own opinions type".

I like the back story and human interest of each of the books and I think they both have their arguably good and bad influences. I think it's a little silly to take the protective behavior of a vampire who is trying to keep his human girlfriend safe from another set of vampires set on murdering her to the level of "it teaches kids that obsessive boyfriends are cool". Also, the abortion thing is just silly. I'm certainly pro choice but I would never favor FORCING a woman to have one against her will.

Again, I've read both, neither are fantastically well written or will go down as literary classics...they're just fun fantasy and both are perfectly safe for teenagers to read. I've read a lot, and I've done a lot of research on both literature and psychology and there's nothing that jumps out at me as anything but silly fun. I guess if someone were unstable, that would be another problem, but hell...the meow mix commercial could be dangerous then.

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#51 Nov 18 2009 at 3:44 PM Rating: Decent
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It's just, unlike series like HP, I just cannot understand how people think the writing is good. It might be the frame of mind you're in, though. I enjoy HP, but I'm sure a lot of Twilighters think it's not that good and would rather have several chapters describing Edward's abs as some kind of marble statue. Can you imagine having **** with that? Ugh.


haha, yeah, I'm not a big fan of the rambling descriptions. I think part of that problem was also that it *is* directed at a younger audience and books that are directed at younger audiences always seem to ere on the side of "these people have zero memory" and so the first couple of chapters of each book in a series seem to be summing up what happened thus far and/or rehashing events/characters/etc that we already know. I think that for normal adults, that ends up with "jesus, she's talking about how hawt Edward is AGAIN" but I have to accept that they're not written to be read in order over the course of a few days. /shrug

Do the HP books get better? Some of you seem to have really enjoyed them but I found the first one to be so "children's book"...which is fine, if that's what you want to be reading. I felt like I was reading any other little kids book like the Boxcar Children or Nancy Drew...do they get more...I don't know, advanced as they go along or something?

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