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#1 Oct 04 2009 at 9:30 PM Rating: Excellent
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This anime has succeeded in doing something no other animated work has done for me. It managed to make me lose at least half a day's sleep because of nightmares.

And so far, I've only seen the first arc. Smiley: eek

The TVTropes entry on it:
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The year: 1983. When Maebara Keiichi and his family move to the sleepy little rural village of Hinamizawa, everything seems peaceful and rustic at first. But Keiichi quickly learns that there is more to the four girls of the school's game club than meets the eye... and more to the town as well. Revelation follows revelation, and brutal murder follows brutal murder in this enigmatic tale told from a variety of viewpoints and scenarios. Just what links the scenarios together?


I read about it on TVTropes first, and it sounded interesting, then Allegory's description of it when I asked him about an image in his images intrigued me further, so I finally checked it out a few days ago. I was so creeped out that I had to watch a few episodes of Kamen no Maid Guy in order to relax enough to get to sleep. A couple days later, I find myself unable to sleep due to horrifying paranoia filled nightmares.

So, anyone else watch this(or read the manga) or gonna see it now?

Also, anyone ever wake up thinking they saw a girl with a cleaver on their balcony?


Edit: Looking at some other threads on this page, it seems there was a bit of discussion about a related series(Umineko No Naku Koro Ni) back in August(I even posted in it saying I was planning to watch Higurashi at some point in the near future since I had just finished discussing that with Allegory), so I'm guessing at least several folks have seen this. Now I just need to know if any of you had nightmares from it. Smiley: tongue

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Sorry, no nightmares. Definitely creepy, though.
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I know what I'll be wasting time on today! Only 9 chapters in the manga... this should be done in a couple of hours ;-)

Edit: First couple of pages start with a little girl turned inside out, while still alive. Off to a good start! Doesn't really show much other than her head (blank stare eyes) and a lot of blood around her.

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Nope, although its definitely creepy as ****
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Edit1: I am a complete and total moron. There are 11 manga series of Higurashi No Naku Koro Ni. I read Himatsubushi. I am willing to bet some answers and more of the story is available in the other 10! Fun fact, the title means: "When the Cicadas Cry."
I SHOULD have read the entire summary:
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NOTE: The story is divided into a total of eight chapters: four "Question" arcs and four "Answer" arcs. Each chapter keeps the same main characters, but ends in a different way. However, each chapter gives valuable answers, hints, and clues to the previous one, while at the same time bringing forth even more mysteries.
The question arcs are: Onikakushi-hen, Watanagashi-hen, Tatarigoroshi-hen and Himatsubushi-hen.
The answer arcs are: Meakashi-hen, Tsumihoroboshi-hen, Minagoroshi-hen and Matsuribayashi-hen.
The side story arcs are: Onisarashi-hen, Yoigoshi-hen, and Utsutsukowashi-hen


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I finished the manga and read the TVTropes. It looks like the manga and the anime are COMPLETELY different. Here's onemanga's synopsis:
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Summer 1983...Hinamizawa is a tranquil village, but its inhabitants have been plagued by strange deaths and unexplained disappearances seemingly every year. Some say it's the terrifying curse of Hinamizawa's legendary deity, Oyashiro-sama, causing victims to be spirited away by monsters, but is this town harboring dark, horrying secrets even more sinister than any supersition or myth?


The story is left with a lot of unanswered questions, but it wraps up the main action completely. Really it's about an undercover cop who goes to a village that is protesting a dam being built. There's suspicion that the villagers, many of whom are in an NGO referred to as "The Resistance," kidnapped the Minister of Construction's grandson; but no one will talk about it. The undercover cop meets a strange little girl named Rika who sometimes goes a little preternatural and predicts the future.

The story is very straight forward, and not creepy at all. There is brutal violence, but it is only talked about; none of it actually occurs during the story. Long story short they find the grandson and get away alive. Rika had warned Akasaka that he'd regret coming to the village, and he did; while he saved the grandson, the kid would have been released anyway due to an agreement to stop working on the dam. In the meantime his pregnant wife slips at the hospital on the stairs and dies. In the second-to-last chapter, Rika reveals that she sees the future murders that the villagers will commit, including her own. She basically is begging Akasaka to save her, but he doesn't realize it because of his wife's death. He leaves, and several years later learns that all the deaths came true, including Rika's, because she kept hoping he would return and save her. Rika gets the last laugh, though; she doesn't tell the villagers about a poisonous gas leak that would occur after her death, so they all die as well. Akasaka publishes a book on the violence after.

What is left unanswered is WHY all these brutal murders happen. There are some seemingly irrelevant details given. One being that the villagers fed on human flesh, started worshipping a cannibal god, and make yearly sacrifices. Another being that Rika is the reincarnation of said god, so she has something to do with it. And really other than that, just that they're a bunch of creepy mofos who like to kill people. But we never find out who is murdering people, or why. It seems like this is just a story arc and the bigger picture is missing. The ending is disappointing, as Rika gets killed (the scene we see at the beginning is actually 7 years after the story, when Akasaka is told of her death; I was under the impression that Rika was already dead and the villagers just accepted her walking around as a ghost).

It sounds like the anime is a lot more interesting; any sites to get it from, or watch it streamed? I find horror is always done better with sound; sound is just a key part of it.

Edit2: Also, the plot runs pretty close to RE4 in some ways. Creepy village, undercover cop on a rescue mission. No plagas though.
Edit3: Apparently Poldaran watched the anime that relates to the Onikakushi manga. I just started reading it now; only 7 chapters. The main character is Maebara Keiichi.

Edited, Oct 5th 2009 10:34am by LockeColeMA
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#6 Oct 05 2009 at 6:33 AM Rating: Decent
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You just wait... it gets better!

Be ready to watch Kai (second season) and Rei (OVA) if you want to understand something. It all make sense in the end though.

Definitely one of my favorite anime.
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Another update: I'm kicking myself for watching these out of order. I feel I wasn't supposed to know Rika and Miyo die eventually. I also get the impression that the storylines get darker and darker as they go on. So far this one is really light-hearted, besides the weird apologizing fit at the beginning.

Edit: Just met Tomitake Free, and my first thought was "Yep, you die too."

Edited, Oct 5th 2009 10:46am by LockeColeMA

Edit2: The correct order to read them in are, I guess:
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1. Onikakushi-hen
2. Watanagashi-hen
3. Tatarigoroshi-hen
4. Himatsubushi-hen
**Utsutsukowashi-hen
5. Meakashi-hen
6. Tsumihoroboshi-hen
**Yoigoshi-hen
7. Minagoroshi-hen
8. Matsuribayashi-hen
**Kokoroiyashi-hen

the starred ones are arcs that are only in the manga. they're just side stories, but if you DO want to read them, they go in the story in those places i put them in :]


Edited, Oct 5th 2009 10:58am by LockeColeMA

Edit2: Ok, this arc is a LOT cooler. More supernatural and freaky. Very neat so far.

Edited, Oct 5th 2009 11:35am by LockeColeMA
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I finished the manga and read the TVTropes. It looks like the manga and the anime are COMPLETELY different



Not sure about the manga but the anime is an adaptation from a visual novel.
#9 Oct 05 2009 at 8:27 AM Rating: Good
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Finished the first in the series now. That was AWESOME. So many questions left over, but a lot more interesting than the 4th installment. Lunch break now means I can start the next. Yahoo!

Edit: Starting the second manga, and it already seems like it'll rock. It's weird knowing the outcome of some of the characters. I think this one is done from Mion's point of view, as she's glomping Keiichi at the beginning. I can't tell if I like knowing that she's going to die. Actually, all of the club members except for Satoko I know will die. I guess it keeps you from getting too attached to the characters, and lets you put some more distance and see the story from new angles. But there's not as much of an emotional connection then.

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Edit3: Apparently Poldaran watched the anime that relates to the Onikakushi manga. I just started reading it now; only 7 chapters. The main character is Maebara Keiichi.


I watched the first 4 episodes of the anime, so whatever that translates to. Smiley: tongue
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OH, SON OF A -

So I finished reading all of the available second manga on onemanga... and it's two chapters short. It left off at SUCH a cliff-hanger! ARGH!!

I don't quite understand the differences happening in the series. At first I thought that each book was supposed to be an alternate PoV. Then I was thinking it just had a different focus. Now it seems like alternate dimensions. It really doesn't make much sense... but as I have like 8 more of the arcs to read (and I'm still in the "Questions" portion), hopefully eventually I'll get it figured out.

Edit: Answering my own question, I came across this neat review:
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Watching Higurshi is like locking a group of happy people in a test chamber, only coming back to find they've hacked each other into a **** mess. Its horrific, its shocking, and yet a part of you, cannot help but wonder, how did it happen?

The curiosity takes over... and so you repeat the experiment, knowing full well that those cute looking teenagers you just sent are going to end up as **** pulps. But hey, at least each time they die, you're one step closer to figuring out why they died, it's all good.

Higurashi essentially places you in the role of the scientist. It divides itself into several arcs, each of which begin exactly the same. A teenager moves into a remote countryside village, and befriends a group of sweet fangirls that could have come out right from a harem rom/com. Then, explicably, thing go wrong... very wrong. The pacing is excellent, the suspence pulpable. You know terrible things are going to happen, but you don't know exactly what. Higurashi would appeal to two types of people. The maglomanics who cackle madly in seeing a happy community descend into the depth of oblivion, and the curious scientist who watched each arc with intense interest... for they want to know exact *why* everything goes wrong (though they can also cackle madly just a little).

The true draw of Higurashi is the mystery. The series will leave you guessing, postulating all manner of reasons why the sweetest girl in the class is now butchering every child in sight with a giant cleaver. Each experiment you run (arc you see) reveals a few more clues, and you formulate a new theory, only to find it shattered by another totally unexpected horror in the very same arc. The beauty of Higurashi is that a mystery of such grand scale, every detail is meticulous, and while every **** event seems random at first, they all eventually fall into place

Not only are the characters are memorable, and filled with interesting secrets, and unlike school days, they're actually also extreme likeable. This is no small achievements, given that they're portrayed doing everything from ripping nails of off each other to nailing 9 year girls on a cross.

Higurashi is really the pinnacle of a dark mystery. You'll start off the mad scientist, watching those innocents in the test chamber with morbid curiosity. Yet, slowly, that morbid curiosity will be transformed into sympathy, and as you fall in love these victims, that initial curiosity will into turn a genuine desire to figure out whats going on so that they can be saved.


So I guess that's the idea

Edited, Oct 5th 2009 2:45pm by LockeColeMA

Edit2: ARGH! The third arc is 5 chapters short and labeled as inactive. **** you, onemanga!

Edited, Oct 5th 2009 3:38pm by LockeColeMA
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#12 Oct 05 2009 at 10:48 AM Rating: Excellent
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I don't quite understand the differences happening in the series. At first I thought that each book was supposed to be an alternate PoV



I don't want to spoil it for you but just a little hint; it is not the same story with a different POV. Answers will come later.
#13 Oct 05 2009 at 11:03 AM Rating: Excellent
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Now I wanna rewatch Higurashi Smiley: lol

I'm currently rewatching Clannad, so I'll need something a bit darker to watch next anyway.


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I don't want to spoil it for you but just a little hint; it is not the same story with a different POV. Answers will come later.
I remember my friends telling me something like this, and I really didn't get it until the last few episodes.
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I remember my friends telling me something like this, and I really didn't get it until the last few episodes.


That's what I liked about it. You need to wait till the end to make any sense out of it but everything is explained. Unlike similar show where some stuff doesn't quite make sense, Higurashi does a good job at answering all the questions.
#15 Oct 05 2009 at 11:26 AM Rating: Excellent
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Yeah, same. It's what kept me watching Baccano!
Well, that, and I loved the animation style, and the plot.


I liked Gankutsuou for almost the same reason, except the viewer knows what's happening in the plot, it's the main character Albert who finally realizes the truth near the end.
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Sigh, no luck with the rest on onemanga. There are chapters here and there in the second season, but none are completed. So disappointing! I guess I'll have to watch the anime, so I'll ask again; anyone know a good streaming or torrent site? PMs are fine if we shouldn't discuss it on the boards.

Also, anyone know any free manga sites to get the missing chapters that onemanga lacks?
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#17 Oct 05 2009 at 12:53 PM Rating: Excellent
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http://tokyotosho.info/ for most Japanese torrents (Anime, Manga, Music, etc.)
Try searching under "Batch" first, but some series are a little too old to be listed under Batch. If not, Higurashi no Naku Koro Ni will be under "Anime".
I know Kai (2nd Season) is under Batch.

http://btjunkie.org/ for a larger selection, including American movies (may be NSFW ads sometimes)

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anyone know a good streaming or torrent site?


I'm pretty sure you can find it on narutowire or kumby. I think umaianime has it also. All .com of course. It's streaming so quality is not great and sometimes they link to megavideo which sucks monkey balls but I don't think the serie is available yet in North America, at least not the second season or the ova.
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Thanks for the links, Kirby and feelz. Watching the first episode on Kumby right now. I love the seemingly innocent things they do to foresahdow. For example, when selecting a game to play in the first episode, Mion goes to her locker... which contains, among other things, handcuffs and whips. And when Keiichi calls them out on marked cards, they get the "silly evil" expressions... but the theme from the shower knife stabbing in "Psycho" plays in the background.

This is going to be awesome.

Edit: Also the quote during the card game "You're demons... you're all demons. Except you, right Rena-chan?"
"Sorry Keiichi..."

So far the manga and anime line up pretty much the same, but the drawing in the manga is better.

Edited, Oct 5th 2009 6:13pm by LockeColeMA

Edit2: First 4 episodes related perfectly to the first manga arc. Onto the second! Also, the anime is amazing; the cicadas and the music totally make the story come to life. And within the first 10 second of the second arc, I have already said outloud "What the ****

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Edit2: First 4 episodes related perfectly to the first manga arc. Onto the second! Also, the anime is amazing; the cicadas and the music totally make the story come to life. And within the first 10 second of the second arc, I have already said outloud "What the @#%^!?"
Smiley: lol

Higurashi has one of my favorite anime opening's.

Ah yeah. The start of episode 5 made me squemish the first time I watched it.
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It's more fun to watch this freaking mindf*ck of an anime with friends:

Mion: "People who violated the Buddhist precepts were put on display as they were brutally murdered. That's what those tools were for."
Friend: "That doesn't sound very much like what Buddha would want..."

End of the episode

"Man, I hope they make this into a hentai. People are already getting nailed left and right!"

... ok, it was better to laugh than curling into a ball and crying in the corner.

Arc 2, done!

Trying to get to episode 17 tonight (I hear it's a fun one), but I doubt I'll get past 15.

Edit1: Arc 3, 3 episodes in. Holy sh*t, Keeichi is crazy.

Edited, Oct 5th 2009 10:09pm by LockeColeMA

Edit2: And arc makes the series get a WHOLE lot more f*cking weird and freaky.

Edited, Oct 5th 2009 10:41pm by LockeColeMA
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I await your commentary after you finish the series Smiley: lolSmiley: lol
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Kirby, Star Breaker wrote:
I await your commentary after you finish the series Smiley: lolSmiley: lol


Honestly, I'll probably just keep going :-P Well, for two more. On 16 right now; skipped most of 14 and 15 because I read the manga and the episodes were pretty much the same. 16 is off to a good start, as Mion is dragging Shion around unconscious. Or it might be the other way around.

Edit1: I'm totally having a Cloud/Zack moment with Keiichi/Satoshi.

Edited, Oct 5th 2009 11:13pm by LockeColeMA

Edit2: I've resigned myself to the fact that everyone in this series is batsh*t crazy, and just take turns acting like it. On to episode 17, which I have been advised to not eat before watching! Yahoo!

Edited, Oct 5th 2009 11:25pm by LockeColeMA

Edit3: I expected more screaming. That said, I think I'll be dreaming of that episode when I go to sleep. *Shudder*

Edited, Oct 5th 2009 11:46pm by LockeColeMA

Edit4: Episode 18. Awwwww yeah, "Shion on Mion action." That was my friend. Not me. Maybe.
Edit5: Man, what a nice cliff-hanger to end on! So far it seems like 16-18 are pretty much the same as the second arc (episodes 5-8). I GUESS that lines up with the "answers" section, but I was under the impression that the "answers" were the second season. If not, well, looks like Shion has pretty freaking bad luck.

Edited, Oct 6th 2009 12:12am by LockeColeMA
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I agree though, I watched it with a few friends, and it was much better.
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That's a safe call to make.
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Sigh, no luck with the rest on onemanga. There are chapters here and there in the second season, but none are completed. So disappointing! I guess I'll have to watch the anime, so I'll ask again; anyone know a good streaming or torrent site? PMs are fine if we shouldn't discuss it on the boards.


I think I mentioned the names of at least one of the sites I use for streaming when I can't get ahold of an anime through more legal means(such as when it hasn't been released in the US yet) in a PM a week or so ago.

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Also, the anime is amazing; the cicadas and the music totally make the story come to life.


Also as touched on in that same PM, I'm a big believer that watching the anime(of any series) is often quite superior to reading the manga(if the anime was done well, that is) just because of the music.

Edited, Oct 5th 2009 10:19pm by Poldaran
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Since I had no nightmares today(though I did dream about mermaids, which is due to another, unrelated anime I watched this morning), I think I'll watch another arc when I get home from work. Smiley: yippee



It's either that or marathon it on Halloween, which I should have off(as will my roommates).
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LockeColeMA wrote:
Sigh, no luck with the rest on onemanga. There are chapters here and there in the second season, but none are completed. So disappointing! I guess I'll have to watch the anime, so I'll ask again; anyone know a good streaming or torrent site? PMs are fine if we shouldn't discuss it on the boards.


I think I mentioned the names of at least one of the sites I use for streaming when I can't get ahold of an anime through more legal means(such as when it hasn't been released in the US yet) in a PM a week or so ago.

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Also, the anime is amazing; the cicadas and the music totally make the story come to life.


Also as touched on in that same PM, I'm a big believer that watching the anime(of any series) is often quite superior to reading the manga(if the anime was done well, that is) just because of the music.

Edited, Oct 5th 2009 10:19pm by Poldaran


Sorry Poldaran, I totally forgot about your PM! Thank you for it :D

And I agree with the (subbed!) anime being better... IF it is well done. Unfortunately, most of the anime I have seen is not; either it is given too much filler, or misses way too much from the manga. Both Love Hina and Ichigo 100% are inferior for the manga, IMO. Higurashi No Naku Koro Ni is so far MUCH better as anime (although the stories are pretty much identical from what I've seen).

Edit: BTW, episode 19 is refreshingly different than the others so far. Go Shion! Who, unfortunately, is also probably **** crazy. Sigh.

Edited, Oct 6th 2009 7:56am by LockeColeMA
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LockeColeMA wrote:
(subbed!)


I'll refrain from getting into that argument today since I'm basically a centrist who chooses between subbed/dubbed on a case by case basis.
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The One and Only Poldaran wrote:
LockeColeMA wrote:
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I'll refrain from getting into that argument today since I'm basically a centrist who chooses between subbed/dubbed on a case by case basis.


Eh... I haven't seen any dubbed anime I would consider good. Then again, I've seen far less anime than I've read manga, and far less dubbed anime than subbed. I actually think Trigun was pretty well dubbed.

I'm trying to figure out where episodes 16-20(?) relate to the other stories. I think they're a counterpoint to the second arc. Gives a very interesting view of what was actually going on.

Edit: My analysis really is only interesting for me, so I'm taking it out :-P Anyone know how many arcs there are here? I can't tell if there's three or four (or more yet to be found). So far I think of them as "the pure story" (1-4), Shion (5-8, maybe 16-20), Satoko's uncle (9-13), and the cop's view (14-15). However, the cop's view might just be the same as Satoko's uncle, just during a different time frame. Some things line up (Rika's death is the same, and the entire village is destroyed by poisonous gas), and nothing contradicts (although Keiichi surviving is not mentioned.)

Edited, Oct 6th 2009 8:57am by LockeColeMA

Edit: Yup, looks like the anime goes in order. The manga does for sure, at least. Meakashi, which is the Shion solution arc, is what I'm on right now. I think that'll wind up soon. Next should be Tsumihoroboshi arc, which answers the "pure story." According to wikipedia, it is drastically different than the first story arc, however.

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You're on the right track Locke. The answers really start coming in the second season (Kai)


That's what I figure. I'm trying to piece together as much as I can before then. Unlike a game, I know I'll be told the answer eventually; but I want to figure it out for myself.

The entire thing makes a lot more sense if you look at it as a scientific experiment or one of those "choose your own adventure" games. Well, the game part makes sense, as it was originally a game. Each arc is just another chance to see what a change will do to the story, so you get the chance to pinpoint where everything goes wrong. For example, if you do nothing, X seems to kill Y and Z. If you add in S, Y is left alive, but Z looks like she kills S, X, and S and T for the **** of it. But if you follow the same story from a different point of view, it turns out Z isn't the murderer, but rather S is.

Sorry for the letters, but I think you get the idea. There isn't just one variable changing each time, though the ones I mentioned before are the most obvious ones. Personalities change as well. In the first arc, Keiichi loses trust in his friends. In the second, he apologizes and tries to sacrifice himself for them. In the third, he goes overboard trying to help them (and ironically is the only survivor). Other characters change somewhat as well. Rena and Keiichi seem like a couple in the first arc, but in the second it's Keiichi and Mion, and in the third, Keiichi and Satoko (more like brother and sister than a couple).

I almost feel like more arcs need to be added, changing one thing at a time. How do I know if someone goes crazy because a new character was added, or because they were hanging out with someone else? I guess in the game this is easier to do; in anime, it would become tedious to the extreme.

Apparently episodes 16-the end of the first season are the "answer" arcs. If it was a game, these would be the "bad" endings (but not as bad as the first four arc endings), which you get for playing through the game without a bleeding clue of what you're doing. So then you try again, which is the second half of season 1, learning from your mistakes the first time, or coming at it from a different approach. You take your time to figure out more about Shion instead of Keiichi (episodes 16-20). And while the ending is still horrific (I just believe episode 20 will be **** as heck), you learn a little more. So you take Shion out of the equation again, and see what you get (these should be the final episodes of season 1). I expect the ending is still freaking horrific, but you learn more and more.

The answer arcs give a lot more information, but (so far) still don't have the information to make things "good." Season 2 sounds like you get a lot of the answers, and figure out the good ending. Not sure what the answers will be, or what season 3 would hold, but I'm guessing that's how it's going.

Edit: I just totally remembered what avatar Poldaran was saying Allegory had before; the maniacal laughing Shion/Mion face, right? Yeah, that creeped me out for a while. Now that I know the anime, it makes a lot more sense.

Edited, Oct 6th 2009 11:18am by LockeColeMA

Edit2: So the Shion arc actually goes through episode 21. Which, by the way, was gruesome. The BIG unresolved question is Mion gets killed by Shion. Shion accidentally kills herself. Who the **** kills Keiichi in the hospital!? Actually, the big unresolved question is "Who killed Satoshi, or is he still alive?"

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At this point, I can't tell you anything more without risking spoiling it. Sounds like you're having a lot of fun, it would be a shame to ruin it for you.
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Just finished episode 25. Holy crap, this really IS Resident Evil 4. Beware Las Plagas!
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Go go, start of season 2! First episode was just a basic recap, following an arc (either the ending recap of season 1, or the ending of episodes 14-15, or a combination) that explains what has happened. It's pretty freaky still, but the answers are coming faster. Or least AN answer; no idea if it's true or not. But my allusion to RE4 wasn't too far off, haha.
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marathon it on Halloween


It has been decided. That's what we're gonna do. We're gonna have what will likely go down in history as an extremely geeky Halloween party and watch the entire 1st season in a night while enjoying many of our favorite Halloween party treats. With the lights off, because we're crazy like that*.

So, Locke, don't ruin it for me(okay, I'm kidding, I've read a fair bit ahead). Smiley: tongue





*The next night, when I'll be home alone, I will not be surprised if I have to keep all the lights on all night. And keep my knife with me all night. Mostly because I have an overactive imagination and the terror threshold of a 6 year old.
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Sorry Poldaran, trying not to ruin it... using spoilers on anything I think is major! :-P From what I hear, season 2 is a lot more about answers than freaky violence. Season 1, if you think of it as a game, is a lot of the "bad" endings. Season 2 should get to the "good" ending. So far three episodes in, and it's pretty slow, light-hearted, and not that interesting. I accidentally spoiled something for myself just by looking at images online; there's an image on the wikipedia page with the 7 school kid friends (Shion gets included).

... wait...

Seven!?

So I think I know to whom Rika is talking :-P

Edit: Proper English! Not "who Rika is talking to"!

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Sorry Poldaran, trying not to ruin it... using spoilers on anything I think is major! :-P


I'm just teasing. Smiley: tongue

Edit: BTW, since you're here, I wanted to ask...did you ever get around to watching Strawberry Panic?

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Sorry Poldaran, trying not to ruin it... using spoilers on anything I think is major! :-P


I'm just teasing. Smiley: tongue

Edit: BTW, since you're here, I wanted to ask...did you ever get around to watching Strawberry Panic?

Edited, Oct 7th 2009 6:33am by Poldaran


No! :-( It was next on my list and then Higurashi no naku koro ni distracted me, haha. After I finish the series, Strawberry Panic is next; it looks really interesting, and I've never actually watched a yuri series before (though I hear it isn't all fan-servicey, which is good. I'd feel kinda dirty watching it then). I'll write about it as soon as I get through it, probably in a week or two. Uggghhh, I can't believe I still have more than 20 episodes of Higurashi No Naku Koro Kai to watch!
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No! :-( It was next on my list and then Higurashi no naku koro ni distracted me, haha. After I finish the series, Strawberry Panic is next; it looks really interesting, and I've never actually watched a yuri series before (though I hear it isn't all fan-servicey, which is good. I'd feel kinda dirty watching it then). I'll write about it as soon as I get through it, probably in a week or two.


There's a bit of fanservice, but not too much. There's also a bit of nudity, but it's mostly covered(I think you see some side-boob and a **** or two).

If you end up liking that one, you should then check out Maria-sama ga Miteru. But that's really a discussion for a different thread at a different time. Smiley: nod
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Season 2, episode 6...

The mysterious seventh main character appears! Well, to Rika. I have to say, Satoko has the WORST luck (the world takes a big stinking dump on this girl in every arc she's the star of), and it totally sucks to be Rika. It's the like worst case of Ground Hog's Day EVER.

Also, did anyone else think to themselves after a dozen episodes "Why does Mion have a shoulder holster with some sort of gun (probably water or a taser) in it?" I just thought that to myself. Took 31 episodes, but... wtf?

Edited, Oct 7th 2009 7:47pm by LockeColeMA

Edit2: Arc selection time! If this was a game, the question would be
"To whom do you give the doll?"
-Mion
-Rena

NORMALLY Keiichi chooses Rena, which leads to OMGWTFBBQKITTENSHIONSLAUGHTERSEVERYONE, but now he gave it to Mion! And it was SOOOO kawaii! Ah, my kingdom for those two to kiss once! This is so exciting!

And once again this shows how random these freaking choose-your-own-adventures are: giving a doll is a life-altering decision. Gosh darn, I use hope MY life isn't like that! Not like I get dolls. Well, not too often >_>

Edited, Oct 7th 2009 7:51pm by LockeColeMA

Edit3: Holy crap! It's even more than that; refusing to play the game set out automatically is what changes the arc! It keeps Rena from going ZOMGSTAYAWAYFROMMYDADDY! Although, to be fair, that arc ended nicest out of all of them so far.

Rena: "It's important to talk to others. I've kept this all within myself... but that's all wrong!"
And voila, by episode 6, the lessons from the first season are completed. YATTA!

Edited, Oct 7th 2009 8:08pm by LockeColeMA

Edit4: LMFAO. This (episode 7) is probably going to be my favorite episode, closely followed by the finale of season 1. Ni-pa indeed, Takano-san!

Edited, Oct 7th 2009 8:14pm by LockeColeMA

Edit5: If this was like a game, it would be like Solitaire. Not only would you need to have all the right choices you made, you would need luck to have the situation line up correctly each time. Take the game in the game shop with Ooishi and the kids. The odds of getting three snake eyes in a row is like... what, 1/280ish? Assuming the dice are not loaded. Even barring that, Akasaka listening in the past to Rika's warning, and Tomitake/Takano requesting additional support are each at best 50/50. Granted, Rika has relived this for over 100 cumulative years, but this kind of luck is sooooo fantastically improbable. Like Solitaire, you wouldn't know if you were going to lose when you deal the cards, even if you do everything "right." I HATE games like that. Especially since this is just episode 7 in the season, I feel it will all end up terribly. Inviso-girl has it right: the more you hope, the harder it is after. Fingers crossed!

Edited, Oct 7th 2009 8:26pm by LockeColeMA

Edit6: If I made a +1 each time I updated, I'd have enough posts to make Jophiel jealous! One thing that wasn't explained (or I missed it): what change made Shion come to school with the rest of the kids? Or is it just the luck of the draw (in some worlds she does and in some worlds she doesn't?)

Edited, Oct 7th 2009 8:38pm by LockeColeMA

Edit7: I just realized this is called the "Massacre" arc. That sure doesn't sound hopeful.

Edited, Oct 7th 2009 8:55pm by LockeColeMA

Edit8: Oh, crux of the problem.
Rika: It's not easy to save Satoko.

No kidding! Well, honestly, one casualty isn't THAT bad...

Edited, Oct 7th 2009 10:17pm by LockeColeMA

Edit9: Episode 11. That decides it. Tomitake-san really needs a freaking break. I'm cosplaying as him for Halloween.

Edited, Oct 8th 2009 12:09am by LockeColeMA

Edit10 (and final, for tonight):
HOLY ANSWERS, Batman! I hated her freaking stoner eyes from the beginning!

Edited, Oct 8th 2009 12:16am by LockeColeMA
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I noticed that in the first arc. It's an airsoft gun, according to TVTropes.


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Now that you've stated it on the boards, you have to post pics. You know the rules. Smiley: grin

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Also, did anyone else think to themselves after a dozen episodes "Why does Mion have a shoulder holster with some sort of gun (probably water or a taser) in it?" I just thought that to myself. Took 31 episodes, but... wtf?


I noticed that in the first arc. It's an airsoft gun, according to TVTropes.


Ah... that makes more sense. I guess. I think she uses it... once? Still a little odd. I guess no one calls her on it because of her family.


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Now that you've stated it on the boards, you have to post pics. You know the rules. Smiley: grin

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Hahaha, I guess so! The outfit shouldn't be hard, actually; it's basically a military outfit. I have a green hat already, and green pants that will suffice. I'd need a tight dark green sleeveless shirt, dog tags, boots, and to figure out how to get and put some little pouches on the side of my belt. I have a camera that I'd use; it isn't like his (since it's 1983, it's an old Kodak; mine is a cheap digital camera from Wal-Mart), but I'd have to get a strap for it and paint it black for it to work. My hair isn't long enough, but his isn't long enough to warrant a wig. I already wear glasses.

I also figure a generous amount of fake blood for my neck and hands will work :-P

Edit: The shirt is actually a dark enough green to let me get away with a black version, I think. I'm using these pictures as a model Looks like I need a watch as well.

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I don't know if I like season 2. I mean, I do... but there's NO mystery compared to season 1. It's weird. I enjoy that the characters now seem to have a fighting chance, but part of me misses the horror when everyone goes insane for seemingly no reason. I'm 15 episodes through season 2 right now, and the most recent episodes talk about Takano's past. I still feel like there's some missing information year, but everything seems to be winding down. There's a lot more talk than action.
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Episode 22 of season 2. The series is winding down. Akasaka rocks.
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Ok, finished the series (except for the "Rei" season, which I believe is just light-hearted fun asides).

Spoilers ahoy!

Tanako is the "main" bad guy. I use "main" because she is actually funded by a division of "Tokyo," and we never learn which of them are the ones behind it. The entire thing is wrapped up well in the last 8 or so episodes. All the major lose ends are closed. Satoshi was NOT killed, but was affected by the terminal symptoms, which in turn affected his brain. They don't explain why he wasn't dissected, but I'm guessing Irie stopped it. Tomitake FINALLY lives. No one dies in the last episode, not even Tanako, who is taken in to be treated. At the end of the final episode some lady who looks like a grown-up Rika warns the child Tanako about the accident her parents will be in. Tanako chooses to die, but I guess by her being there, both her parents and her survive it or something. That part wasn't really wrapped up well.

Thoughts overall: I enjoyed the first season more. I REALLY liked the ending of season 1, even if it isn't the best ending (Tomitake dies, and it is implied Rika does as well, and thus everyone dies). Season 1 has a lot more action and a bunch more freaky stuff going on. In fact, since in the ending no one dies, I actually felt the ending coasted to a stop, as opposed to having an epic conclusion. I kinda felt like the ending was watching an anime version of Home Alone. Somehow the kids survive against people who should have killed them several times over.

The series is a great murder mystery, and completely f*cked up in some of the first season's episodes. I feel like it would make an awesome game to play. While season 2 wraps it all up, it took away from the mystery and was a bit of a let down.

A couple of things not explained:
1. How/why do Mion and Rena have the level 5 virus to infect Keiichi at the end of episode 4, season 1? And why do they stop going psycho once they inject him? The closest answer I can find is that Keiichi is already showing Level 5 symptoms due to his stress level and imagines everything that happens with Rena and Mion, including them injecting him with the virus.
2. Why does Rika have the virus at the end of the Shion-is-evil arc? She tries to inject Shion, but it never explains, in my mind, where she got the syringe. It's POSSIBLE that it isn't the virus in the syringe, but it seems implied that it is.
3. Was everything just REALLY lucky at the end? I mean, it seems like a lot of the choices made aren't made by the main characters, but happen on a whim of the side characters.
4. Not a big question, but what happens to Keiichi at the end of the Satoko arc? He's the sole survivor. Later both Satoko's end and Rena's future are explained. Actually, in that same idea, why do Rena/Satoko/Keiichi, in separate worlds, survive the effects of Rika's death?

That's really about it. Nothing big is left over.
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Only the first one. Episode 2-3-4 actually give a lot of answers about Hanyuu and her relation with Rika.

You should watch them.


Nipah!!
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Only the first one. Episode 2-3-4 actually give a lot of answers about Hanyuu and her relation with Rika.

You should watch them.


Nipah!!


Is the constant Ni-pah-ing just like a cutesy thing to do, like the de'su's (what the heck? Why the **** is de'su censored?)? I figure it is, but didn't know if it translated to something like "I'm gonna kill you all! Ni-pah!"

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Yes.
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Talk to Usagi. If he wasn't the one whose shenanigans got that word censored, it's likely he knows who did.
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