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#352 Jul 28 2010 at 4:08 AM Rating: Decent
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Don't forget the fact that we'll probably see about 4-5 filler arcs at random moments until we get there!
#353 Jul 29 2010 at 6:13 PM Rating: Decent
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Bleach 414 is the most perfect chapter.

Thank you Kube. Thank you, thank you, thank you. It was all worth it for Gin alone. I know that eventually you're probably going to soil and ruin Gin, but for now he is perfection.

Edited, Jul 29th 2010 7:19pm by Allegory
#354 Jul 29 2010 at 7:48 PM Rating: Good
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WHAT-

BUT HOW-

HE-

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Because that makes perfect sense, right?
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#355 Jul 29 2010 at 8:14 PM Rating: Decent
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It honestly does. The explicit foreshadowing was done long ago. Before then it was started he was a genius in the turn back time arc, and EVEN before then there was always something off about his character.

While it's a bit of an *** move to have him reveal an ability that he gave no prior evidence for, it makes sense both realistically and narratively. Gin pulled the ultimate charade. He was always deceiving, Soul Society, Aizen, even the readers. It is fitting.
#356 Jul 29 2010 at 9:08 PM Rating: Good
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No, it's great. Telling people exactly how your sword works is so incredibly stupid it should never be played straight.
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#357 Jul 29 2010 at 11:01 PM Rating: Good
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No, it's great. Telling people exactly how your sword works is so incredibly stupid it should never be played straight.


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#358 Jul 30 2010 at 12:15 AM Rating: Good
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Allegory wrote:
It honestly does. The explicit foreshadowing was done long ago. Before then it was started he was a genius in the turn back time arc, and EVEN before then there was always something off about his character.

While it's a bit of an *** move to have him reveal an ability that he gave no prior evidence for, it makes sense both realistically and narratively. Gin pulled the ultimate charade. He was always deceiving, Soul Society, Aizen, even the readers. It is fitting.


I get all that, and I can accept that without breaking stride.

It's the whole my sword actually extends by breaking apart and for some reason secreting an all-powerful poison inside the blade thing that I find to be a complete asspull.

But Gin being a Starscream, yeah. All for that.
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#359 Jul 30 2010 at 12:57 AM Rating: Decent
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That's also easily explained; bankais are WEIRD.
#360 Jul 30 2010 at 3:28 AM Rating: Decent
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It's the whole my sword actually extends by breaking apart and for some reason secreting an all-powerful poison inside the blade thing that I find to be a complete asspull.


Its not literally that it secretes a poison though from how I understand it. It is that you can consider the zanpakutou dust, which would I imagine would pretty much be like tiny metal shards, would seriously mess someone up if its in their body. Its not a chemical poison but it is a poison in a sense that these tiny dust blades are slicing away with each pump of the heart everything they come into contact with.
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#361 Jul 30 2010 at 8:06 AM Rating: Good
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It's the whole my sword actually extends by breaking apart and for some reason secreting an all-powerful poison inside the blade thing that I find to be a complete asspull.


Its not literally that it secretes a poison though from how I understand it. It is that you can consider the zanpakutou dust, which would I imagine would pretty much be like tiny metal shards, would seriously mess someone up if its in their body. Its not a chemical poison but it is a poison in a sense that these tiny dust blades are slicing away with each pump of the heart everything they come into contact with.


"A deadly poison capable of breaking down cells"

Could be bad translation, but I think Kubo actually is saying that his sword dust is an actual poison. =/


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#362 Jul 30 2010 at 12:37 PM Rating: Good
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You know, I hate to rain on Starscream's Gin's parade, but I know next week is going to be Aizen saying he lied about his weakness as well.
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#363 Jul 30 2010 at 12:38 PM Rating: Good
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You know, I hate to rain on Starscream's Gin's parade, but I know next week is going to be Aizen saying he lied about his weakness as well.


Well, duh. Obviously he just said the thing about touching the sword to throw Gin off.

That or him just saying that he's evolved past being affected by poison (or perhaps just evolved past the need for a heart). =/



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#364 Jul 30 2010 at 12:39 PM Rating: Good
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Vataro wrote:
lolgaxe wrote:
You know, I hate to rain on Starscream's Gin's parade, but I know next week is going to be Aizen saying he lied about his weakness as well.


Well, duh. That or him just saying that he's evolved past being affected by poison (or perhaps just evolved past the need for a heart). =/


Or his blood is actually the spirit version of acid and it just melted the fragment.
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#365 Jul 30 2010 at 5:14 PM Rating: Decent
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I'm still holding out that it's possible Kube didn't ***** this up and and Aizen is actually dead. After all, he got it this far.
#366 Jul 31 2010 at 11:18 AM Rating: Decent
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Allegory wrote:
It honestly does. The explicit foreshadowing was done long ago. Before then it was started he was a genius in the turn back time arc, and EVEN before then there was always something off about his character.

While it's a bit of an *** move to have him reveal an ability that he gave no prior evidence for, it makes sense both realistically and narratively. Gin pulled the ultimate charade. He was always deceiving, Soul Society, Aizen, even the readers. It is fitting.


Very true, thankfully even. Although I fear that Gin is not deceiving SS but working as one of them still, hopefully not, it would be much better fitting if he's in it for himself alone.
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#367 Aug 02 2010 at 4:21 AM Rating: Decent
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Well, I know that we're talking about Kubo Tite here, but still I think that those chances are pretty dim.

Right now, it looks like either Aizen or Gin is going to survive, and the other one is going to die. That's practically for sure in this situation. If Gin dies then there's nothing wrong of course (Though Aizen would have to whip up some very cheap technique or ability to win this), but if Aizen dies, then Bleach would have no villains left if Gin was still working for Soul Society...

Besides, I don't think they will let a Captain who assaulted several other Captains and Vice-Captains within the Gotei 13. :P
#368 Aug 02 2010 at 7:57 AM Rating: Good
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Zieveraar wrote:
Allegory wrote:
It honestly does. The explicit foreshadowing was done long ago. Before then it was started he was a genius in the turn back time arc, and EVEN before then there was always something off about his character.

While it's a bit of an *** move to have him reveal an ability that he gave no prior evidence for, it makes sense both realistically and narratively. Gin pulled the ultimate charade. He was always deceiving, Soul Society, Aizen, even the readers. It is fitting.


Very true, thankfully even. Although I fear that Gin is not deceiving SS but working as one of them still, hopefully not, it would be much better fitting if he's in it for himself alone.


You think Yamamoto knows of Gin's true motives? I feel that Allegory is correct in that Gin was deceiving everyone, including Soul Society. That doesn't mean Gin's motives aren't for Soul Society, however.
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#369 Aug 04 2010 at 1:06 PM Rating: Good
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Predictable chapter is predictable. I did like some insight in Gin, but overall, it made very little sense. I do hope Gin lives, though.
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#370 Aug 04 2010 at 2:47 PM Rating: Decent
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I thought it made sense, though it didn't take the story in quite the direction I wanted.

Aizen's subordinate in some way wronged Matsumoto in trying to achieve his objective. Gin followed this subordinate and learned that Aizen was responsible. Gin then plotted to commit the ultimate conspiracy to exact his revenge for Matsumoto and told no one of this. In the present, Gin attempts to achieve this revenge. He was a good guy all along :(. Matsumoto is not really dead; Gin masked her reiatsu somehow.

Aizen already said the Hoggywoggy had chosen him, and this concept of it belong to him and granting him power regardless is just a continuation of that.

I see three potential outcomes. 1) Gin fails to finish Aizen, but mangaes in some way to significantly disrupt his plans; this is the best outcome and least likely. 2) Gin entirely fails to stop Aizen, and Aizen kills Gin in a heroic death; more likely. 3) Gin entirely fails to stop Aizen, and Aizen simply puts Gin down or tries to kill him but Gin manages to escape; This is the most likely ending because nobody dies in Bleach.
#371 Aug 04 2010 at 5:22 PM Rating: Good
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Allegory wrote:
I thought it made sense, though it didn't take the story in quite the direction I wanted.

Aizen's subordinate in some way wronged Matsumoto in trying to achieve his objective. Gin followed this subordinate and learned that Aizen was responsible. Gin then plotted to commit the ultimate conspiracy to exact his revenge for Matsumoto and told no one of this. In the present, Gin attempts to achieve this revenge. He was a good guy all along :(. Matsumoto is not really dead; Gin masked her reiatsu somehow.

Aizen already said the Hoggywoggy had chosen him, and this concept of it belong to him and granting him power regardless is just a continuation of that.

I see three potential outcomes. 1) Gin fails to finish Aizen, but mangaes in some way to significantly disrupt his plans; this is the best outcome and least likely. 2) Gin entirely fails to stop Aizen, and Aizen kills Gin in a heroic death; more likely. 3) Gin entirely fails to stop Aizen, and Aizen simply puts Gin down or tries to kill him but Gin manages to escape; This is the most likely ending because nobody dies in Bleach.


Well. I won't deny the fact that it makes sense, but... well...

If Gin actually wants revenge on Aizen for "hurting" Matsumoto... he actually spends 500!!!!!!!!!!!!!! years getting ready for it. ****, he'd be more of a friend then Ichigo will ever be to anyone, no matter how many times he comes through for Orihime!

Of course, it may very well be that Bleach will run for 500 more years, in which case my Ichigo saving his friends point is null and void.
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#372 Aug 05 2010 at 7:42 AM Rating: Decent
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Allegory wrote:
I thought it made sense, though it didn't take the story in quite the direction I wanted.

Aizen's subordinate in some way wronged Matsumoto in trying to achieve his objective. Gin followed this subordinate and learned that Aizen was responsible. Gin then plotted to commit the ultimate conspiracy to exact his revenge for Matsumoto and told no one of this. In the present, Gin attempts to achieve this revenge. He was a good guy all along :(. Matsumoto is not really dead; Gin masked her reiatsu somehow.

Aizen already said the Hoggywoggy had chosen him, and this concept of it belong to him and granting him power regardless is just a continuation of that.

I see three potential outcomes. 1) Gin fails to finish Aizen, but mangaes in some way to significantly disrupt his plans; this is the best outcome and least likely. 2) Gin entirely fails to stop Aizen, and Aizen kills Gin in a heroic death; more likely. 3) Gin entirely fails to stop Aizen, and Aizen simply puts Gin down or tries to kill him but Gin manages to escape; This is the most likely ending because nobody dies in Bleach.


This might be the exception.

It would seem indeed that option 3 is the most likely, even if only to show Gin explaining himself to Matsumoto. Or Kubo could do that in a flashback too ofcourse. (there's the time he and Matsumoto spent before he tried to kill off Aizen, or at least damage him)

This time he might actually get killed by Aizen, as Gin does continue to pose a threat to him, even if only remotely.

I didn't expect to see the hougoyoku get pulled out of Aizen this soon, I thought Ichigo would have done it, thinking he'ld won and then seeing Aizen just go on as usual.

Marvel Comics did a similar move a while back during the Onslaught crossover



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#373 Aug 05 2010 at 8:06 AM Rating: Good
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Ta-daah, introducing the all-renewed Butterfly Aizen! Almost feels like I'm watching Winx Club or something.

Simpily put, I am very dissapointed by this meager plot twist. It's just that every time Aizen is almost dead, Kubo Tite comes up with a rediculous and overpowered ability or transformation to milk the storyline out even more. At this point, Ichigo shouldn't even be able to kill Aizen anymore; Gin practically outmatches Ichigo in everything, and even Gin is only a small threat to Aizen. How is one new technique going to save him?

I'd have preferred it is Gin's Bankai killed Aizen, and Ichigo ended up fighting Gin. Gin just would've been a far better villain.
#374 Aug 05 2010 at 8:47 AM Rating: Good
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Of course it would get stupid again. Ichigo has to be the one to save the day, even if there is no logical reason why he should be able to.
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#375 Aug 05 2010 at 11:37 AM Rating: Good
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Here we have Aizen having an ****** with the force of a thousand suns, and two or three frames later he digivolves to Butterflymon. **** it, I knew Gin wasn't going to accomplish what he was doing, but my way would have been a little better than "Oh, that didn't work."

"Oh, I tricked you into thinking that would work because no self-respecting villain would tell anyone their real weakness*," would have at least been intelligent storytelling, if overall cliche. This stuff, here? Just ... no.

* Yeah, I know. I know. Marvel and DC villains always tell the heroes their weaknesses. They ain't bright either.

Edited, Aug 5th 2010 2:58pm by lolgaxe
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#376 Aug 19 2010 at 8:37 AM Rating: Good
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Well, as expected Gin couldn't do ****, and now Yusuke Goku Ichigo is here to save the day. The next 2 4 10 chapters will be recounting what happened in his dream world, then we might get to see Aizen kick his ****.
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