Here's a voice actor's take on it.
It's an interesting read, basically the same arguments as with the whole movie piracy subject, or downloading music I suppose.
Mind you, I haven't bought that many new cd's since I actually started to download some tracks from artists I would never have considered if I hadn't.
Money is also definitely an issue, if I were to buy the episodes I've seen online, I'ld be broke. I buy most of the manga I'm reading online, be it a year later, but anime is very expensive. 200 episodes of Bleach would be about 170 Euros, not all that expensive (mostly because I'm looking online, a local manga shop sells it for double that price, if not even more) but looking at several people's lists on this forum, total prices would be very high.
Quite a complex situation, although basically it is wrong ofcourse, any views on it?
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I like the thing that Viz is doing with Naruto starting in January. They are themselves offering it free of charge online 1 week after it airs. They are also offering it immediately for those that are willing to pay a small fee. I think this allows those who lack the funds or don't want to pay for a particular show to still see it in a reasonable amount of time, while those who do have the funds and/or want to support the show / want to see it asap have the ability to support the industry while getting what they want.
Personally, I have bought a few DVDs and memorabilia in the past, but have bought nothing in the past few years. I'd like to say that it is because I am a poor college student and anime is expensive (both of which are true and important reasons), but truth be told if it were impossible for me to download them for free I'd probably try to make room for it in my budget.
Personally, I have bought a few DVDs and memorabilia in the past, but have bought nothing in the past few years. I'd like to say that it is because I am a poor college student and anime is expensive (both of which are true and important reasons), but truth be told if it were impossible for me to download them for free I'd probably try to make room for it in my budget.
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Vataro, Eater of Souls wrote:
I like the thing that Viz is doing with Naruto starting in January. They are themselves offering it free of charge online 1 week after it airs. They are also offering it immediately for those that are willing to pay a small fee. I think this allows those who lack the funds or don't want to pay for a particular show to still see it in a reasonable amount of time, while those who do have the funds and/or want to support the show / want to see it asap have the ability to support the industry while getting what they want.
Personally, I have bought a few DVDs and memorabilia in the past, but have bought nothing in the past few years. I'd like to say that it is because I am a poor college student and anime is expensive (both of which are true and important reasons), but truth be told if it were impossible for me to download them for free I'd probably try to make room for it in my budget.
Personally, I have bought a few DVDs and memorabilia in the past, but have bought nothing in the past few years. I'd like to say that it is because I am a poor college student and anime is expensive (both of which are true and important reasons), but truth be told if it were impossible for me to download them for free I'd probably try to make room for it in my budget.
I suppose DB's reaction to Viz's decision is pretty admirable, Viz offers it for free a week after it's been aired, DB no longer offers it at all.
That does seem to send a decent signal.
I do wonder though about effective losses for the industry. If I were to download a movie someone else uploaded from his DVD version, it would be about the same as if I were to watch it on my television on a local channel. Just about every movie is shown on local channels, well save **** I suppose depending on the channel, hence for every movie I download, I have payed my local channels through annual subscription fees to see that move. Just not that swift.
Extremely simplified I suppose, and for anime that doesn't really count as that is never aired on any of my local channels. (as yet, the market is slowly starting to open up for manga and anime)
A question Vataro, if you had no access to free viewings through the internet, would you purchase even close the amount of anime you are viewing now? Would it not be the broad access you have now of anime and manga that has led to new series you like and might consider buying which you might not have if you did not have that access?
If I'ld have had seen Vexille for instance prior to me purchasing it, I would have known that was one seriously poor decision. Having seen parts of for instance Samurai Champloo, I bought and loved the whole series.
Some would say that there is plenty of information on the internet to make an informed decision, Vexille gets a 7.1 rating on IMDB, I would give it a 4 personally and that would be pushing it.
The article is the same sentimental message I've heard again and again. Some companies have decided to take action rather than waste time praying fans spontaneously change their watching habits.
This sums up the article and demonstrates the extreme lack of understanding that led many licensing companies to this current predicament.
Most anime companies currently, and almost all previously, are running ridiculous business models that are completely unrealistic. They seek external solutions to their problem, blaming the customers and making futile attempts to guilt the buyer base into purchasing rather than downloading. It easier to do, but entirely ineffective. They will get nowhere by trying to convince fans that illegally downloading is wrong. Rather companies should be focused on realizing the internal flaws of their product. Fansubbers aren't just offering free anime, they are offering an entirely superior product. If fansubs and legitimate companies priced releases the same, either both free or both cost money, I'd choose the fansub version over the legitimate copy because it is a better product.
Companies need to look at how fansubs are beating them out and find ways to compete or circumvent their weaknesses.
1. Fansubs are free, thus cheaper. There isn't much anime companies can directly do to compete here, but box set prices are drastically inflated, not because the companies are taking a huge margin but because they are wildly inefficient, which I will elaborate on in the following points.
2. Fansubs are faster, not by days, weeks, or months, but by years. Why would you expect anyone to wait two years for what they could easily have today? Crunchyroll got me to stop downloading Xam'd because they beat the torrrent sites to the punch. I could find episodes faster on Crunchyroll than on mininova, so I created an account right away. It was just that easy to steal me away from torrenting.
3. Subbing quality is better than most dubs. Most of the professional dubs companies like aniplex and Viz put out are terrible, and I would greatly prefer to just watch the series subbed. In addition to this dubs greatly lengthen production time and are vastly more expensive. Most anime fans are completely fine with subs so there is no reason to waste time dubbing. Dubbing will only appeals to those outside of the target demographic, the casual viewers.
4. Fansubs are more convenient. I click download, wait a bit, and then watch. I don't have to deal with shopping or shipping.
5. Fansubs allow sampling. I can download a single episode of a series to give it a test and if I don't liek it I haven't lost much. Most legitimate anime are sold in box sets committing oen to a $40-$60 purchase of something he/she may not even enjoy.
Viz media is taking a huge step in the right direction with Crunchyroll. As long as their plan is well executed it will be wildly successful. It corrects so many of the errors other companies are making that it is just silly. They are turning a year and a half long delay for Naruto episodes into a week at most. The service will be offered free or paid if fans want episodes a little faster, which is extremely competitive with fansubs. Streaming is more convenient for fans than torrenting as well. Episodes will be subbed saving Viz an immense amount of money. This is how I said anime companies should have been offering their product years ago. Now someone is finally doing it and it's going to work well. I plan on watching NAruto legitimately there as soon as the service hits. It was just that easy to stop me from pirating.
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but he strongly feels that educating the audience on the damages of fansubbing is the critical component to fixing the problem.
This sums up the article and demonstrates the extreme lack of understanding that led many licensing companies to this current predicament.
Most anime companies currently, and almost all previously, are running ridiculous business models that are completely unrealistic. They seek external solutions to their problem, blaming the customers and making futile attempts to guilt the buyer base into purchasing rather than downloading. It easier to do, but entirely ineffective. They will get nowhere by trying to convince fans that illegally downloading is wrong. Rather companies should be focused on realizing the internal flaws of their product. Fansubbers aren't just offering free anime, they are offering an entirely superior product. If fansubs and legitimate companies priced releases the same, either both free or both cost money, I'd choose the fansub version over the legitimate copy because it is a better product.
Companies need to look at how fansubs are beating them out and find ways to compete or circumvent their weaknesses.
1. Fansubs are free, thus cheaper. There isn't much anime companies can directly do to compete here, but box set prices are drastically inflated, not because the companies are taking a huge margin but because they are wildly inefficient, which I will elaborate on in the following points.
2. Fansubs are faster, not by days, weeks, or months, but by years. Why would you expect anyone to wait two years for what they could easily have today? Crunchyroll got me to stop downloading Xam'd because they beat the torrrent sites to the punch. I could find episodes faster on Crunchyroll than on mininova, so I created an account right away. It was just that easy to steal me away from torrenting.
3. Subbing quality is better than most dubs. Most of the professional dubs companies like aniplex and Viz put out are terrible, and I would greatly prefer to just watch the series subbed. In addition to this dubs greatly lengthen production time and are vastly more expensive. Most anime fans are completely fine with subs so there is no reason to waste time dubbing. Dubbing will only appeals to those outside of the target demographic, the casual viewers.
4. Fansubs are more convenient. I click download, wait a bit, and then watch. I don't have to deal with shopping or shipping.
5. Fansubs allow sampling. I can download a single episode of a series to give it a test and if I don't liek it I haven't lost much. Most legitimate anime are sold in box sets committing oen to a $40-$60 purchase of something he/she may not even enjoy.
Viz media is taking a huge step in the right direction with Crunchyroll. As long as their plan is well executed it will be wildly successful. It corrects so many of the errors other companies are making that it is just silly. They are turning a year and a half long delay for Naruto episodes into a week at most. The service will be offered free or paid if fans want episodes a little faster, which is extremely competitive with fansubs. Streaming is more convenient for fans than torrenting as well. Episodes will be subbed saving Viz an immense amount of money. This is how I said anime companies should have been offering their product years ago. Now someone is finally doing it and it's going to work well. I plan on watching NAruto legitimately there as soon as the service hits. It was just that easy to stop me from pirating.
I buy a series if I really like it, or if I feel that what I'm getting is a good deal.
3 episodes a DVD = not a good deal. The only one I've paid full price for that had this issue was Utena.
$20 for a boxset = a very good deal. Hell, I'd bought a series I only somewhat liked for this price.
On the other hand, I generally buy officially released manga rather than download it. It's something about having the physical book in my hand that makes it more valuable to me. And even if I don't like the series enough to buy it, I'll read it in the bookstore and buy coffee or tea, rather than just download it online. At least the bookstore is making a little money off me that way :P
And I always, always buy translated light novels. I consider them a genuine value for the price, because translators are expensive and I want to encourage them to continue releasing them. This goes even for series I didn't like that much, like Scrapped Princess.
3 episodes a DVD = not a good deal. The only one I've paid full price for that had this issue was Utena.
$20 for a boxset = a very good deal. Hell, I'd bought a series I only somewhat liked for this price.
On the other hand, I generally buy officially released manga rather than download it. It's something about having the physical book in my hand that makes it more valuable to me. And even if I don't like the series enough to buy it, I'll read it in the bookstore and buy coffee or tea, rather than just download it online. At least the bookstore is making a little money off me that way :P
And I always, always buy translated light novels. I consider them a genuine value for the price, because translators are expensive and I want to encourage them to continue releasing them. This goes even for series I didn't like that much, like Scrapped Princess.
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A question Vataro, if you had no access to free viewings through the internet, would you purchase even close the amount of anime you are viewing now? Would it not be the broad access you have now of anime and manga that has led to new series you like and might consider buying which you might not have if you did not have that access?
No, I would not purchase even half the anime I am watching. I do believe that having free access at the very least to sample is crucial for people to get into a new anime.
Allegory made some great points, and as mentioned earlier Viz is definitely taking a step in the right direction (and yes, kudos to DB for dropping Naruto in support, even though I don't watch it
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I used to remember when it was 8 episodes a DVD.
Though it really is nothing compared to Japanese DVD prices per episode. Where it was roughly 1500円-3000円, per episode. However, at the same time, they churn out extras like it was going out of style. If I remember right, every single episode of Komugi came with its own figurine and a bunch of video extras, so at least you were getting quite a bit out of it.
Qualitywise, I'd give the subtitling to the Fansub groups, but the obvious video quality to DVD/Blu-ray format (I prefer uncompressed to compressed, but I make concessions when it gets out of hand.) What I'll often do is after reading a manga for free online, I'll go out and buy it immediately at a nearby store. But the reason I do that? The price of 13 volumes of manga in Japan for a semi new series is about... 3900円 to 6500円. I'd never do that in North America. The price for the same series would cost me rougly $170 + $20 in tax. THREE times the amount for a similar product.
Though I do have a sizable amount of Doujinsoft, Music and the like and if I cant find it in stores, I will pirate it. Theres an obvious reason for this, a doujin circle will produce a finite amount of product, I'd guess no more than a thousand. So if its any popular, it is impossible to find anywhere legally for a reasonable price. I dont pay scalper prices.
Though one thing I found that was really great, is when I bought "夢想å¤éƒ· A Summer Day's Dream" a Touhou doujin anime by Maikaze for 2500円. It touched my heart when I saw that they had an english subtitles already ON the DVD. They went out of their way to make sure that not only were the Western fans able to understand it, but that it was correct and proper english. So nobody would miss out on their release.
In my opinion, not to knock the localization teams, is for most Animation companies in Japan to release their own DVD's with english subs, or do the online distribution route (ie Crunchyroll/BOST TV).
Though it really is nothing compared to Japanese DVD prices per episode. Where it was roughly 1500円-3000円, per episode. However, at the same time, they churn out extras like it was going out of style. If I remember right, every single episode of Komugi came with its own figurine and a bunch of video extras, so at least you were getting quite a bit out of it.
Qualitywise, I'd give the subtitling to the Fansub groups, but the obvious video quality to DVD/Blu-ray format (I prefer uncompressed to compressed, but I make concessions when it gets out of hand.) What I'll often do is after reading a manga for free online, I'll go out and buy it immediately at a nearby store. But the reason I do that? The price of 13 volumes of manga in Japan for a semi new series is about... 3900円 to 6500円. I'd never do that in North America. The price for the same series would cost me rougly $170 + $20 in tax. THREE times the amount for a similar product.
Though I do have a sizable amount of Doujinsoft, Music and the like and if I cant find it in stores, I will pirate it. Theres an obvious reason for this, a doujin circle will produce a finite amount of product, I'd guess no more than a thousand. So if its any popular, it is impossible to find anywhere legally for a reasonable price. I dont pay scalper prices.
Though one thing I found that was really great, is when I bought "夢想å¤éƒ· A Summer Day's Dream" a Touhou doujin anime by Maikaze for 2500円. It touched my heart when I saw that they had an english subtitles already ON the DVD. They went out of their way to make sure that not only were the Western fans able to understand it, but that it was correct and proper english. So nobody would miss out on their release.
In my opinion, not to knock the localization teams, is for most Animation companies in Japan to release their own DVD's with english subs, or do the online distribution route (ie Crunchyroll/BOST TV).
I rarely pay list price for manga, though. Our local Borders caters well to the anime fans in the city -- two huge rows of manga spilling over to the ends and outside display tables -- and all Borders discounts apply. The last time I did a big batch of manga/novels, I caught a "mystery coupon" day. For a purchase of $50, I managed to snag a $25 coupon. Even though I only paid half price, the publishers were still paid in full from the bookstore, and the sale counted toward their numbers (unlike a used book.)
I have $5 in Borders bucks that I'm hoarding for the softcover of Juuni Kokuki novel 2 in February.
I have $5 in Borders bucks that I'm hoarding for the softcover of Juuni Kokuki novel 2 in February.
catwho, pet mage of Jabober wrote:
I rarely pay list price for manga, though. Our local Borders caters well to the anime fans in the city -- two huge rows of manga spilling over to the ends and outside display tables -- and all Borders discounts apply. The last time I did a big batch of manga/novels, I caught a "mystery coupon" day. For a purchase of $50, I managed to snag a $25 coupon. Even though I only paid half price, the publishers were still paid in full from the bookstore, and the sale counted toward their numbers (unlike a used book.)
I have $5 in Borders bucks that I'm hoarding for the softcover of Juuni Kokuki novel 2 in February.
I have $5 in Borders bucks that I'm hoarding for the softcover of Juuni Kokuki novel 2 in February.
Haha, yeah, back in Canada I would rarely see a sale. Not to mention in terms of DVD's quite a few years back, the low Canadian Dollar would make DVD's seem even more expensive than it would normally.
$45 vs $30 really did make a difference if I wanted to pay or not.
The bookstore that I used to always go to for manga closed down a couple years ago, and there are none in the town I go to school in either, so it's been a long time since I purchased any manga. However, I don't read much manga anymore anyway, so that hasn't affected me too much. 
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I'm not against fansubbing as a whole. But, I also dislike it when they damage the Anime industry here in the USA. I'd have to be biased against the Free downloading of Anime series because I've been involved with many of the aspects of the Anime industry. I have met and talked with many of the Voice actors and people involved in bringing and making Anime available to the American public.
One of the things that I can say is that Fansubbed anime is in most cases translated crudely if not in some cases wrong to everyone. This is very dependent on the people doing the translations. Anime companys like Viz, Gencon, ADV spend lots of money on getting proper translations and making Dubbes that have better voice matches to the characters. They also add more sound to the anime than the Japanese do and dont just gather the actors around one mike for a take like the Japanese are known for. I still remember when ADV changed much of the industry by actually using Children for Children's voices.
Nadia is one good example of this. (I actually watched some of the Actors doing taping of it)
Attend a con and talk with the Voice actors and people that produce and bring over the titles you can purchase and you will get some suprising answers to the Fansubbing.
One of the things that I can say is that Fansubbed anime is in most cases translated crudely if not in some cases wrong to everyone. This is very dependent on the people doing the translations. Anime companys like Viz, Gencon, ADV spend lots of money on getting proper translations and making Dubbes that have better voice matches to the characters. They also add more sound to the anime than the Japanese do and dont just gather the actors around one mike for a take like the Japanese are known for. I still remember when ADV changed much of the industry by actually using Children for Children's voices.
Nadia is one good example of this. (I actually watched some of the Actors doing taping of it)
Attend a con and talk with the Voice actors and people that produce and bring over the titles you can purchase and you will get some suprising answers to the Fansubbing.
No matter how much work they put into them, there's a lot of us who consider dubs to be sacrilage and freak out when we hear them. I think it's because a lot of the studios are based in Canada, and to those like me who live in the southern US, the accents just sound flat and robotic. Even when they're being emotive and expressive, I just can't enjoy it as much because the passion and energy from the original Japanese feel lacking.
That's why dual audio DVDs make everyone happy :3
That's why dual audio DVDs make everyone happy :3
I used to prefer dubs on some shows, but mainly these were ones that I had never heard the Japanese on. Like Catwho said, English dubs just seem to be lacking something; often times they almost sound too cartoony... of course, for all I know the Japanese voices are worse offenders there, but I wouldn't know and I like the way they sound more.
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At our first convention in Austin ADV gave us a real treat by Showing us part of the Neon Genisis movie that they were working on. Tha part that made it so great was that the Voice acting cast was there to talk about what they did and added to it. They also played the JP version and compaired it to the American Dub. You would be suprised as to what was added. In fact I have had a JP producer comment that the Americans take more time and do a much better job adding sounds and voices to anime than the JP counterparts.
I'm of the opinion that they should offer it free of charge after a time frame (be it a couple of days to a week or 2) uploaded on a website, with ad-based revenue stream. NBC does an excellent job of this for Heroes which is set up online the day after it is shown on TV (and in High Def no less!), and I hope that this business model becomes standard practice for Television and its relatives (including Anime). Additional revenue can be gained from having merchandise available in a store section of the site.
If those sites ended up having both subbed and dubbed versions available, for people who enjoy one medium over the other, and for those who are deaf but still want to see the show that would be best.
If those sites ended up having both subbed and dubbed versions available, for people who enjoy one medium over the other, and for those who are deaf but still want to see the show that would be best.
Just as Planned.
If it wasn't for fansubs I wouldn't have watched most of the anime I have today. Official subs usually turn out to be complete crap, and at least half the dubs out there suck ***.
And fuuuuucckk about DB actually dropping naruto. How am I supposed to watch it now? I can't que up 20 streaming episodes on firefox and then watch them all in a row while lying down in my bed!
Edited, Jan 16th 2009 12:40am by Deadgye
And fuuuuucckk about DB actually dropping naruto. How am I supposed to watch it now? I can't que up 20 streaming episodes on firefox and then watch them all in a row while lying down in my bed!
Edited, Jan 16th 2009 12:40am by Deadgye
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And fuuuuucckk about DB actually dropping naruto. How am I supposed to watch it now? I can't que up 20 streaming episodes on firefox and then watch them all in a row while lying down in my bed!
Yeah, that would be tough lol.
At least be happy you can still get Naruto from Crunchyroll directly, they're unaccessible for Belgium for some absurd reason.
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At least be happy you can still get Naruto from Crunchyroll directly, they're unaccessible for Belgium for some absurd reason.
Anime is only anime because I can lie down in my bed and watch 10~200 episodes in a row. :/
It's the reason I never got into reading the mangas for anything, because I can't do that lying down eating foods.
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I'm not sure I see your problem Deadgye. Why can't you stream as many episodes you want in advance? Even if you cannot stream fast enough and have to let episodes buffer a bit why can't you open up 10 tabs in firefox and wait for them to load? Is that really so very different from torrenting?
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I'm not sure I see your problem Deadgye. Why can't you stream as many episodes you want in advance? Even if you cannot stream fast enough and have to let episodes buffer a bit why can't you open up 10 tabs in firefox and wait for them to load? Is that really so very different from torrenting?
It's really just a convenience issue. I use my computer for a lot of stuff, and having 20 tabs of episodes that I can't close until I finally get around to watching them days, if not weeks later will really slow it down. That and when I decide to rewatch everything again months later I'll have to sit through downloading everything again. Right now it would only be 20 tabs, but in the future when I rewatch everything it would easily be 50+.
Also, with torrents I'm able to bring everything to my friends house or to school with me and watch it there without spending hours waiting for everything to load. If they are able to release box sets and the subs actually are good enough I won't have any problems.. but it's so rare to find official subs that are great.
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The reason why Fansubbing is great is because fans have access to their favorite anime a lot more easily. Most people usually pick up an anime by watched the dubbed version in their country. Unfortunately, 9 times out of 10, the series is completely behind due to production time and costs. Instead of someone having to wait for the next episode to come out, they can watch the fansub version and be completely caught up in the series instead of waiting for the dub version. For me, this is what draws me to fansubbing. Here's an example. Back when Dragonball Z started airing here in America, the series was completely over in Japan. Only 52 episodes were dubbed because the company that did it, lacked the funds to continue on. The show just ended on a somewhat crucial part in the saga and then the broadcast stations would just start over from episode one. Most people in the know visited their local comic book/anime stores and watched the VHS fansubbed versions of the episodes because at that point in time, there was no reason to believe that the series would actually be dubbed in its entirety.
Another example is Detective Conan (Cased Closed here in America). Last time I checked, FUNimation only dubbed between 50-60 episodes and then stopped, while the show is still going strong in Japan with some 520 Episodes.
People want the convenience of being able to watch their favorite anime without having to wait for it to be available in their respective country in their language. Fansubbing takes care of this, and when I heard what Viz & Crunchyroll was doing, I had nothing but praise for them. Even though fansubs are free, I still try to support the anime by purchasing the dubbed version whenever I feel that the voice acting/series was well done. The complete Full Metal Alchemist series was one of my very first anime purchases. Speaking of which, I really hope that Crunchyroll picks up Full Metal Alchemist when it gets rebooted in April.
Another example is Detective Conan (Cased Closed here in America). Last time I checked, FUNimation only dubbed between 50-60 episodes and then stopped, while the show is still going strong in Japan with some 520 Episodes.
People want the convenience of being able to watch their favorite anime without having to wait for it to be available in their respective country in their language. Fansubbing takes care of this, and when I heard what Viz & Crunchyroll was doing, I had nothing but praise for them. Even though fansubs are free, I still try to support the anime by purchasing the dubbed version whenever I feel that the voice acting/series was well done. The complete Full Metal Alchemist series was one of my very first anime purchases. Speaking of which, I really hope that Crunchyroll picks up Full Metal Alchemist when it gets rebooted in April.
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It's really just a convenience issue. I use my computer for a lot of stuff, and having 20 tabs of episodes that I can't close until I finally get around to watching them days, if not weeks later will really slow it down. That and when I decide to rewatch everything again months later I'll have to sit through downloading everything again. Right now it would only be 20 tabs, but in the future when I rewatch everything it would easily be 50+.
I wont' argue that it isn't less convenient, and that portability and rewatching are a problem, but I don't see the issue when it comes to casual watching. Surely you don't watch 20 to 50 episodes in one sitting? I go on binges myself, but how can you regularly watch 8 to 10 hours or more of a series a day?
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I wont' argue that it isn't less convenient, and that portability and rewatching are a problem, but I don't see the issue when it comes to casual watching. Surely you don't watch 20 to 50 episodes in one sitting? I go on binges myself, but how can you regularly watch 8 to 10 hours or more of a series a day?
I can't watch anime casually, it leaves too much stuff drawn out. Especially with naruto. When I watch anime I start, and then finish as soon as possible. When I first started watching naruto I downloaded 1-50. Then in the time frame of 4 days I watched 1-50, downloaded 51-100, and watched 51-100.
It's how I roll.
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I have a few issues with subs vs dubs, and some of them have already been stated.
(hai btw, just found this place
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Almost every dub really is crap, whether it be through bad voice actors, bad voice actor match ups(ie, Johnny Yon Bosch does Ichigo like a champ, but he can't do Lelouche Justice), or unneeded censoring. Look at what they did to the onepiece sub
(which, admittedly, the voice actors for the first episodes match up pretty well, but the new ones were utter ****)
With Subs atleast, you can mentally change the wording a bit if it doesn't sound right, and if they translate something unneeded, or something that sounds better in japanese, you can ignore it.
I'm honestly amazed they didn't translate Chidori and Rasengan, for example, when they translated EVERYTHING else, even kakashi's Raikiri in the zabuza fight.
Along with the above, you can access a lot of shows online that we would never stateside, outside of poorly done DVD box sets that never get advertised, since the only stations that honestly play anime are kiddy stations which butcher stuff, and sci-fi, which doesn't really take it seriously.
the TTGL dub was just...
There's also adult swim, but their selection isn't given enough love, and half if it is ******* inuyasha.
Admittedly, there's not nearly as much love for anime here as in japan, since most americans are more into episodic stuff, with story arcs rarely branching more than a few episodes for most shows.
Ah well, I'll stop watching subs when dubs stop sucking(good example, bleach dub is pretty good, naruto dub needs to gtfo)
(hai btw, just found this place
) Almost every dub really is crap, whether it be through bad voice actors, bad voice actor match ups(ie, Johnny Yon Bosch does Ichigo like a champ, but he can't do Lelouche Justice), or unneeded censoring. Look at what they did to the onepiece sub
(which, admittedly, the voice actors for the first episodes match up pretty well, but the new ones were utter ****) With Subs atleast, you can mentally change the wording a bit if it doesn't sound right, and if they translate something unneeded, or something that sounds better in japanese, you can ignore it.
I'm honestly amazed they didn't translate Chidori and Rasengan, for example, when they translated EVERYTHING else, even kakashi's Raikiri in the zabuza fight.
Along with the above, you can access a lot of shows online that we would never stateside, outside of poorly done DVD box sets that never get advertised, since the only stations that honestly play anime are kiddy stations which butcher stuff, and sci-fi, which doesn't really take it seriously.
the TTGL dub was just...
There's also adult swim, but their selection isn't given enough love, and half if it is ******* inuyasha.
Admittedly, there's not nearly as much love for anime here as in japan, since most americans are more into episodic stuff, with story arcs rarely branching more than a few episodes for most shows.
Ah well, I'll stop watching subs when dubs stop sucking(good example, bleach dub is pretty good, naruto dub needs to gtfo)
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Except if it were baby photos, it would be like looking at before and afters of Michael Jackson. Only instead of turning into a white guy, he changes into a chick!
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Reiterpallasch wrote:
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Am I the only one who clicked on this thread expecting actual baby photos [of Jinte]? o.O
Except if it were baby photos, it would be like looking at before and afters of Michael Jackson. Only instead of turning into a white guy, he changes into a chick!
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I'm honestly amazed they didn't translate Chidori and Rasengan, for example, when they translated EVERYTHING else, even kakashi's Raikiri in the zabuza fight.
What I liked most about the moves were how they kept the japanese name and displayed the english meaning up above on the top.
Dear people I don't like: 凸(â—´―｀â—)凸
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There's also adult swim, but their selection isn't given enough love, and half if it is @#%^ing inuyasha.
sadly even thats off of adult swim were now down to Bleach and code geass(sp) and possibley something else thats at like 3am sunday morning...they now only air on saturday nights at ungodly hours (I believe the earliest one is 1:30am so tech is sunday MORNING they air)
Edited, Jan 20th 2009 12:47am by Bobtheinvicible
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