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#1 Jan 21 2008 at 1:08 PM Rating: Decent
a book say...written by Dan Brown is? I mean I know it's not Science Fiction or Fantasy, but what would you classify one?
#2 Jan 21 2008 at 1:47 PM Rating: Good
Rubbish?

Waste of time?


But seriously though, heh, it's a crime novel imo. Or a mystery novel.

#3 Jan 21 2008 at 3:45 PM Rating: Good
Zieveraar wrote:
Rubbish?
Waste of time?
But seriously though, heh, it's a crime novel imo. Or a mystery novel.


I read all 3 books back to back. He had me glued to the pages. But you have to hand it to him, he made the genre popular.

But yes, mystery novel, or conspiracy(sp?) novel?
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#5 Jan 21 2008 at 11:42 PM Rating: Decent
I'm with GieG on this one.
#6 Jan 22 2008 at 8:55 AM Rating: Excellent
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I'd just call it a mystery novel.
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#7 Jan 22 2008 at 12:51 PM Rating: Decent
Gieg wrote:
I read all 3 books back to back. He had me glued to the pages. But you have to hand it to him, he made the genre popular.

But yes, mystery novel, or conspiracy(sp?) novel?


I read the "DaVinci Code" after hearing so much about it, regretted it swiftly but struggled through it. Then I decided it might have been just that book and read his "Angels and Demons". (almost typed Bernini Mystery, but that's the Dutch title for some reason) Finished that one within the hour.

I know better than to touch another of his books, to each his own but this is not for me.

(you might have read the author GieG, Aspe? About the only other author I can finish a book from within the hour and still know exactly what it was all about.)
#8 Jan 22 2008 at 1:31 PM Rating: Good
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I read the "DaVinci Code" after hearing so much about it, regretted it swiftly but struggled through it.


I did the same.

Mostly, I felt that the author was writing the novel as if anyone reading it had to be a total moron and needed everything spoon fed to them.
#9 Jan 22 2008 at 2:25 PM Rating: Good
Zieveraar wrote:

(you might have read the author GieG, Aspe? About the only other author I can finish a book from within the hour and still know exactly what it was all about.)


You mean Pieter Aspe, the Belgium writer?
#10 Jan 22 2008 at 2:30 PM Rating: Decent
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You mean Pieter Aspe, the Belgium writer?


That's the one, from Bruges (as am I, but besides the point). At first, his books were fairly interesting, a good setting (Bruges itself) and not half bad characters.(all centered around a policeman who isn't completely a nice guy, nor follows the rules much) Unfortunately, after 20 or so books, heck after four really, those characters got stuck in development limbo, the city's been used enough and his obvious hatred for any kind of authority seriously diminishes the tales.

Anyway, just an example of the only other author whose books I can easily finish within the hour.

#11 Jan 23 2008 at 2:10 AM Rating: Good
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Belkira the Tulip wrote:
Zieveraar wrote:
I read the "DaVinci Code" after hearing so much about it, regretted it swiftly but struggled through it.


I did the same.

Mostly, I felt that the author was writing the novel as if anyone reading it had to be a total moron and needed everything spoon fed to them.


Agreed. Dude was definitely writing for an audience with, at most, 6th grade reading comprehension.

Maybe THAT's why the book is so inexplicably popular--the average Joe could actually get it.
#12 Jan 23 2008 at 6:50 AM Rating: Decent
Belkira you do sound absolutely correct. But I still liked it.
#13 Jan 25 2008 at 4:39 PM Rating: Decent
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Crap?

a bit strong....

poorly written mushy tripe for the uneducated masses that wouldn't know a well written book if it smacked them in the face?

No no thats Rowling....

I have it.

How to take a great idea and ruin it by letting an amature keep the copyright!

Spot on.
#14 Jan 28 2008 at 4:12 PM Rating: Good
Zieveraar wrote:
Anyway, just an example of the only other author whose books I can easily finish within the hour.


Didn't they make a TV-show out of some of his books? I'll give them a try real soon.

Baron von tarv wrote:
How to take a great idea and ruin it by letting an amature keep the copyright!
Spot on.

Ambrya wrote:

Agreed. Dude was definitely writing for an audience with, at most, 6th grade reading comprehension.
Maybe THAT's why the book is so inexplicably popular--the average Joe could actually get it.


I read a couple of other books in the genre, but they couldn't fascinate me as he did. Maybe I'm just an average Joe, but care to give some examples of writers who aren't amatures?


Sorry Ambrya, I really need to pay more attention when posting at 1AM

Edited, Jan 29th 2008 1:39pm by GieG
#15 Jan 28 2008 at 8:32 PM Rating: Good
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AMBRYA wrote:

Agreed. Dude was definitely writing for an audience with, at most, 6th grade reading comprehension.
Maybe THAT's why the book is so inexplicably popular--the average Joe could actually get it.


I read a couple of other books in the genre, but they couldn't fascinate me as he did. Maybe I'm just an average Joe, but care to give some examples of writers who aren't amatures?


Well, mystery/suspense isn't a genre I tend to follow a lot, so I really can't speak to that, but if you want an example of damned fine contemporary literature, try the Kushiel's Dart trilogy by Jacqueline Carey. Don't let the cover art and description fool you--it may look like mere erotica on the surface, but it's an extremely well-written trilogy.

Most notable is the author's use of language--very elegant and sophisticated, definitely NOT something written for a reader with a 6th-grade vocabulary. The narrative prose reads almost like poetry at times. Just read the excerpt (should be the first 6 or so pages of the book) for an idea of how beautifully she chooses her words.

It's hard to pigeon-hole this trilogy into a genre--if you look in the bookstore, you'll find it in Fantasy, but it's really much more. It's not so much fantasy as an alternative version of European history, starting with the question of what would happen if in the first few centuries after Christ and the fall of the Roman empire, Christianity had not become the predominant religion in Europe, and most of what was once called Gaul--France and Germany, mainly--were settled by a race of people descended from angels.

The book has elements of romance and erotica, yes, but primarily, it's a mystery, dealing with the political intrigue and machinations of the heroine's homeland. She may be a courtesan and a divinely-inspired *********, but her proclivities do not carry the plot, they merely provide a goad here and there and serve as the means by which she finds herself becoming involved in the political intrigue.

Aside from the language, the other really strong point in this trilogy is the plotting. It's tight and sharp, all the way through. Though the characters may occasionally have to veer off-course, the plot itself runs through the books with laser-beam focus and precision. This is one of the reasons why I haven't been as pleased with the second trilogy set in the Kushiel world (third book is due out this summer.) That trilogy is more of a character exploration and doesn't have the same sort of tightly-plotted tension as the first trilogy did.

At any rate, if you're looking for examples of writing that are considerably less hackney-ed than Dan Brown, that's where I would recommend you start.

#16 Jan 29 2008 at 4:13 AM Rating: Decent
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Didn't they make a TV-show out of some of his books? I'll give them a try real soon.


Yeah, not really that good, mostly due to the rather wooden acting performances. Ofcourse, the characters are all pretty cookie cutter types, predictable like hell. But they stopped following the books after the first season, so it might have improved.

I would actually advice reading the first couple, they weren't half bad. But only a couple though.


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I read a couple of other books in the genre, but they couldn't fascinate me as he did. Maybe I'm just an average Joe, but care to give some examples of writers who aren't amatures?


Umberto Eco's "Foucault's Pendulum". A heck of a lot fleshier and so much more interesting. Some very similar themes: huge conspiracies concerning Templars, Catholic church,... but so much more interesting.
#17 Jan 30 2008 at 7:04 AM Rating: Decent
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Yeah, not really that good, mostly due to the rather wooden acting performances. Ofcourse, the characters are all pretty cookie cutter types, predictable like hell. But they stopped following the books after the first season, so it might have improved.

I would actually advice reading the first couple, they weren't half bad. But only a couple though.


There was a TV show following the books?

probably sucked...
#18 Jan 30 2008 at 1:30 PM Rating: Decent
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read a couple of other books in the genre, but they couldn't fascinate me as he did. Maybe I'm just an average Joe, but care to give some examples of writers who aren't amatures?
I'm not a fan of this Genre, but figured i would read it to see what all the hype was all about.

Angels and Demons was ok but Da vinchi code was appaullingly written, the whole point was that it was a mystery right? so why did i see everything coming three chapters before it happened? It was painfuly obvious and so couldn't hide the even more obvious shortcomings of the writer.

I would recommend you try an author called "Wilbur Smith" as a good start try reading "Sunbird" as it's his best standalone novel or my favourite at least, if you like that one, try any of his series.
#19 Feb 01 2008 at 2:47 AM Rating: Good
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Zieveraar wrote:


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I read a couple of other books in the genre, but they couldn't fascinate me as he did. Maybe I'm just an average Joe, but care to give some examples of writers who aren't amatures?


Umberto Eco's "Foucault's Pendulum". A heck of a lot fleshier and so much more interesting. Some very similar themes: huge conspiracies concerning Templars, Catholic church,... but so much more interesting.

Zieveraar beat me to it. Foucault's Pendulum is the closest that I can think of to something like The Da Vinci Code, except it it qualifies as "Literature".
#20 Feb 02 2008 at 4:24 AM Rating: Decent
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There was a TV show following the books?

probably sucked...


Yeah, pretty much. Not only fairly poor casting (main character was nothing like the book version) but some of the books just didn't translate well to the screen. It improved a bit after they started to write specifically for the television. Only a little. And so I've heard, stopped watching it pretty quick.
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