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#1 Mar 12 2005 at 11:09 PM Rating: Decent
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AAHHHHHHHHHH!!!!!! For those who have read this series (All 3 books), HOW COULD HE DO THAT!?!?!?!?!?!?!?

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This thread has been up for a while, so I thought I would put this up now while I had a chance LOL

For anybody who hasen't read the "Song of Ice and Fire" series, you should pick it up. He has a habbit of killing off main charecters. Veary interesting read, same war, 7 diferent angels. After book 3, I still have no idea who the "Main Character" is, but I deffenetly have my favorites. But serriously, you'll read it, get into the story, THEM BAM!!! HE KILLES SOMEBODY YOU THOUGHT TO BE IMPORTANT!!!!!

**** good read : )

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#2 Mar 13 2005 at 7:21 AM Rating: Good
Snow, Daneyerys <Sp>, the crippled Stark (forgot his name), are probably your three main protagonists. At least I belive so.
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#3 Mar 13 2005 at 12:25 PM Rating: Decent
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Dude, John Snow is a bad ass. : ) Bran Stark, I believe, is going to have some great moments later on. With as much fantasy that I've read, it seams that Bran is going to be worth alot later on. And the beautiful Daenerys, She is going to have a bad **** army. SO, I can see that her army after the war's will be the only one big enough to withstand the Others. She will halt her war, wanting to protect everybody she can (You know her), and that will introduce her to John Snow. Of corse John can't do anything about it, his oath and everything. However, it means that John might become a General in her army, being that he has the most knoledge about the lay of the land, enemy army, and the most knoledge about how to fight Others. And, oddly enough, Bran just went "Somewhere" realy close to them. I can see him on Hodo's back being a great fighter. And also, when he get's older, it's possible that he can better hold on to "What he's holding", but maybe even do multiple Holds. And John know's him so well, of course Bran "Is a high ranking Stark", so naturally he will be treated as such. Now Catelyn is the one to look out for. I would love to see her future part, cause I have honestly no idea where she could go from "Where she is". (Trying not to spoil it for people who haven't read it lmao)

Please write back, I know he might have a message board so I can collaborate with other's : )
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#4 Mar 14 2005 at 5:03 AM Rating: Good
I am pretty much in agreement though I think the Hound and the Stark girl with him might have some stuff to do in the south.

I think Jon will forsake his oath and end up with Daenerys, and they will create a new better place to live.
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#5 Mar 14 2005 at 12:40 PM Rating: Decent
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Hmmm, I keep forgetting about Arya. I hope she find's her wolf. But if you remember, the end of book 3, she leaves the hound... I think she's going to go study how to be a fighter, and come back in the story a bit later. I can see her going on her own little adventure.

As for John, I don't think he'll "Forsake" his oath, but he might sleep with her. : ) But, it's also possible that Daenerys will gather in more people to help her, like nations. Once they see the dangerous threat. I can see the people "Giveing" her the crown, because she's a Targaryan (sp?) and isn't crazy LOL (Or, she will take it by force, she will be queen lmao)

Also, something else to give you a thought, there are Dragons in the world now... Do you think that when magic comes back more, the Direwolf's will help John, Bran and Arya have, "Special Powers" or something. Not actuall magic (Maybe, you never know), but more than anybody else can do. We've already seen it a bit with the "Wolf Dreams" and further on with Bran. I think it exploded in Bran so much because of his fall. His body coulden't do what it should, so his mind advanced the process to compensate. . . : )

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#6 Mar 15 2005 at 12:48 AM Rating: Good
I think majick will make a slow comeback, and become if not common, a more common occurence.

I think the wolves will grant some sort of boons to the Starks, not marshall like the Dragons to Daenerys, but more mystical, and maybe also charasmatic type boons.

I think the Dwarf (forget his name exactly, been a couple years since I read the last one) will survive his family members and lead his house to some sort of semblence of sanity. He won't divorce his wife since this will tie the Lannisters to the Starks once and for all.

I think Arya will have her revenge on the family that murderd her mother and brother, and I think the hound will somehow help her, since I belive his fate is tied to hers now.

Jamie may give Daenerys the crown, since his life is changing, and she would be the person his oath applies to now, since he betrayed her Grand Father.



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#7 Mar 15 2005 at 5:32 PM Rating: Decent
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Strange thought. Daenerys has 3 dragons. The Starks, John (Kind of), Bran, and Arya have 3 direwolf's. I believe all 3 will join up, and I can see the Dragon fighting beside the Direwolf. But with 3 diferent start's, I think there is going to be 3 or more great endings to that character.

And I know that somehow, Tyrion will survive what he's going through. But I think that he is going to be sent to the Wall. Makeing him in the direct fight. And I think that is where he should be anyway. Cause, let's face it, he's smart as hell. And he know's battles a lot better than John and Daenerys do.

But I'm kind of worried about Sansa. I have no idea what's going to happen to her.
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#8 Mar 16 2005 at 1:23 AM Rating: Good
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But I'm kind of worried about Sansa. I have no idea what's going to happen to her.


I am not a fan of Sansa. I feel she betrayed her family, and the dire wolves by her actions. Courage would have served her better then simpering whineyness.
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#9 Mar 16 2005 at 12:33 PM Rating: Decent
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That's about how I think of her. I have no idea what she would do, I would imagine she would want to be with her family though. And Tyrion will most likely end up at the Wall eventually, but she is a mystery I don't care to know about honestly.
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#10 Mar 18 2005 at 3:51 AM Rating: Good
I alas have to wait for the paperback version of the next book, so am dying here. Lucky for me I have the Rhapsody series to carry me through, rereading them for now.

Let me know if the next one is as good as the previous 3, if you get the hard back book.
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#11 Mar 18 2005 at 3:45 PM Rating: Decent
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I can guarentee I'm going to get the hard back book. I'm already planning on owning a copy of the 6th Harry Potter books. If you haven't read all 5, I sugest you start. Book's 1-2-3 are alright, but 4-5 were amazing. Great plot twists.

As for A Song of Ice and Fire, do you have any idea when it's going to be released? I haven't heard any dates yet.

I also need to get Terry Goodkind's newest book, and eagerly anticipating the next Robert Jordan book. I still have high hopes for Jordan's series. If he would bring it to an end some time soon. ^^
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#12 Mar 19 2005 at 4:49 AM Rating: Good
I am gonna have to wait for Jordan to finish the series so I can start over on book one and read straight through the end.

Sword of Truth series is fairly boring to me, don't like the main character. I have been reading Haydons series and also Brooks most recent Shanara books.

Potter books are just not my cup of tea, maybe one day I might pick them up, if I have read everything else in the bookstore. Smiley: wink

http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/tg/detail/-/0553801503/qid=1111225616/sr=1-1/ref=sr_1_1/103-0146684-5283864?v=glance&s=books
A Feast of Crows is supposed to be out soon.

http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/ASIN/0812570812/qid=1111225664/sr=2-1/ref=pd_bbs_b_2_1/103-0146684-5283864
This is the first book in Haydons series if you have not read it, extremely good read.
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#13 Mar 19 2005 at 6:48 PM Rating: Decent
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July 26th huh... That's not that bad of a wait. And from what the reviews stated, it would seam that Martin comes through and dosen't let anybody down at all.

As for the Potter serries, if you read like I do, you can have the entire series done in 2-3 weeks. Realy fast read, and realy enjoyable to. 1-3 is so-so, but 4-5 are bad ass.

Maybe I'll pick up the Haydons books when I get done with Goodkind's next book. (Whenever I can buy it that is... ; ;)
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#14 Apr 07 2005 at 10:39 AM Rating: Decent
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Martin has said on his message board that he will post when the book is finished. His last update was in Jan., basically stating that he has most of it done, but that it isn't done yet. All the quotes you read on amazon.com are basically pipe dream dates as he's not done yet.
I'm supremely irked by him by his delay as well... I met him when book 2 came out in Atlanta and he didn't look so well then... I'm worried that he is going to die before he finishes the series.
That said, an amazing fantasy series that keeps you guessing and really, really gets you worked up emotionally.
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#15 May 24 2005 at 2:58 AM Rating: Decent
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That said, an amazing fantasy series that keeps you guessing and really, really gets you worked up emotionally.


Definitely gets ya worked up. How many times have you guys thrown one of the books? I have chucked the books twice.

Once when i realized what was really going on at the wedding and once when Arya got the blunt side of the Hound's axe... I thought she got the sharp side.
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#16 Jun 28 2005 at 9:39 PM Rating: Good
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I'm worried that he is going to die before he finishes the series.

Zelezny....

As for the topic of main characters, I think that all the houses have important people but as to survivors, I think Tyrion will survive and the rest of the Starks as well. Daenerys could easily be in power in the end, but I'm not so sure on the idea of her and Jon. I'm sure that Bran's going to live, and will probably meet Jamie again at some point, but I have no idea how that scenario would play out. Jamie I can see either living or dying in a heroic manner, but I can also see him being the one that kills Cersei (sp).

Good books. I can't wait to read Feast. The only other series I've read that gave me the kind of feeling that this one does is Memory, Sorrow, and Thorn, and that's one of the reasons I really like it.
#17 Jul 01 2005 at 9:38 AM Rating: Decent
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I personally find the killing off of so many 'main' characters by Martin to be a bit annoying, I prefer being able to get into a character and follow them throughout a series, that's really personal preference though. I like Martin overall though and find the plot to be rather twisted and interesting and the constant switching of views makes for a more exciting read.

Brooks is decent but I really disliked the massive shift in the newer versions where the original series he made is basically ancient history, he literally turns the world upside down in comparison to the earlier novels and I really dislike that there's no books joining the series timeline wise to give some continuity to it. With all the changes that take place it's really harder to follow when going by what you know from earlier books, just doesn't flesh it out really well in my opinion.

I actually like Goodkind's Sword of Truth series a lot, although it reminds me a lot of the Wheel of Time, very similiar main characters in my opinion and there are a lot of ties between the two, feels that way when reading it.

I used to thoroughly enjoy Jordan's Wheel of Time but I think he's become a complete sell-out in at least the last 3 books in the series. Look at the most recent, how much actually happens in the 500-700 odd pages of the book? There's very little plot progression and if you go by his earlier novels I think the newer books would only take up a few chapters worth if he wrote in the same style. I just find it depressing to read through 500 pages and feel like most of it is useless garbage, I mean in the most recent book think about how many people are actually killed in any kind of combat and compare that to every other book, I think you can count the number of them on one hand and they are all, I think (been awhile since I read it), just random nobodies that don't even matter.

My current favorite however is Raymond Feist, his series is an excellent long drawn out chronology, has a nice blend of new and old characters and has great continuity while still progressing forward at a good rate.
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#18 Aug 10 2005 at 8:16 AM Rating: Decent
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It's been so long since I read the last book of the series but my first question whenever I enter barnes an nobles is, "Is the new George R.R. Martine out yet?" I love the way he writes his novels, it makes me sad when he kills off his main characters (like when he killed off the young stark guy in the last book and the stiched his wolf's head to his neck) that was pretty gruesome and now his mom is like a walking zombie. omg when does new one come out, this dude is slowest writer on planet. I think all six harry potter books came out after his last book and he is still writing the same **** novel.....it better be good.
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Release date

Still a long wait, I believe postponed again too as I recall seeing a release date for Semptember at one time too.


Anyway, it'll be released soon and I'm quite anxious to find out how exactly it continues.

Apparently, there are going to be at least 3 more parts after the next one? Not sure, but read somewhere that there are going to be 7 parts in total?

My only problem with the series is that Martin is killing of my more liked characters, I wouldn't have had a problem if Samwell for instance died but that's just me.

Edited to add: whilst checking out the link, I noticed that the next part after a Feast for Crows is already mentioned: A dance with Dragons. Said to be released in February 2007. Now that's another long wait :(


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By the time he is done writing his series I believe georgie boy will be about dead =(
#21 Aug 11 2005 at 4:26 AM Rating: Decent
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Catelyn is the one to look out for. I would love to see her future part, cause I have honestly no idea where she could go from "Where she is".


I think it is fair to assume that she will wreak havoc on the Freys... at least I hope so.
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#22 Apr 05 2006 at 6:59 PM Rating: Good
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Have any of you heard the speculation that Jon Snow is not, in fact, Eddard's bastard? Instead, people are suggesting he is the child of Lyanna Stark and Rhaegar Targaryan. Saying Eddard took Jon as a son and agreed to protect his identity from the realm and especially Robert who hates anything Targaryan. Is it possible this was the "promise" he gave his sister as she died giving birth?

Heheh. Just seemed suitably dramatic.
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#23 Apr 17 2006 at 5:56 PM Rating: Good
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Oh, good god, that would be crazy.

I'm on page 410 of Feast of Crows right now.

I don't like Sansa Stark. At all.
Adore Arya, Tyrion, Jaime and Jaqen. Even like the Hound. :)
Catelyn really got on my nerves, and the Red Wedding drove me crazy with disbelief.

This author sure knows how to emotionally control his readers.
**** him, where is Jaqen? :X
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#24 Jan 02 2007 at 8:59 AM Rating: Decent
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Gutspraygore wrote:

Have any of you heard the speculation that Jon Snow is not, in fact, Eddard's bastard? Instead, people are suggesting he is the child of Lyanna Stark and Rhaegar Targaryan. Saying Eddard took Jon as a son and agreed to protect his identity from the realm and especially Robert who hates anything Targaryan. Is it possible this was the "promise" he gave his sister as she died giving birth?

Heheh. Just seemed suitably dramatic.


That would fit the mystery of the promise Eddard made to Lyanna, and it certainly has its costs... But I recall a viewpoint of Arya that had one of the Daynes of Starfall claim that Jon Snow's mother was his wet nurse. That doesn't necessary mean your theory is not true, that could be a facade or a half-truth. A very interesting theory, though. I'm inclined to believe it, since it makes sense of many of the holes in the story.

Does anyone have any idea when Book 5 is coming out? I'm awaiting it anxiously. Book 4 was fine, but it was missing the viewpoints of my favorite characters.
#25 Jan 02 2007 at 3:44 PM Rating: Decent
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For killing off main characters...I don't mind that he does it. What I absolutely hate though are all of the fake deaths where he wants you to think a character is dead when they aren't. This sucks because you start to assume that any time he kills someone they aren't dead and it loses any emotional impact it would have had.
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