Bush's speechFollow

More than a Gramm, sir.

Clever, allthough I noticed a slight Delay in your response.

/nod

I think I've had this argument with either AF or Nobby in the past when they have talked about feeling slightly warm and fuzzy when Bush has suddenly changed directions or done some small thing to appease the left after goofing up. If I recall it inspired a sense of hope that he was willing to change suddenly. I argued that it was just hot air being blown up Americas collective **** in order to buy time for damage control and allow the defeat to move out of the public eye.

Each time I have had to make the argument I am proven right 6 months later. I admit this time I may be wrong, the impossible can happen, hell Jroc managed to get himself laid. However I will take the safe bet and say I'm right. Of course I am unsure how long Bush will be able to stand goiing down for the republicans before he gets sick of it. In two years the Democrats might be too old for him to find it appealing anymore.

Just because his thumpin is more permanent as opposed to temporary doesn't mean it is indicative of some change in character or him deciding to take more of an indepentant stance (as opposed to what his handlers said he should say) now that he has nothing left to lose.

What we have here is a complete hump of a man relying on old tactics while he desperately tries to figure out what to do next after he got served with the worst case scenario.

Edited, Nov 8th 2006 at 11:36am PST by bodhisattva

Just because his thumpin is more permanent as opposed to temporary doesn't mean it is indicative of some change in character or him deciding to take more of an indepentant stance (as opposed to what his handlers said he should say) now that he has nothing left to lose.

What we have here is a complete hump of a man relying on old tactics while he desperately tries to figure out what to do next after he got served with the worst case scenario.

It'd be nice if the world was that uncomplex and black and white, but if it were, the Republicans would be right about most things.

Fortunately, it's not.

Bush isn't a chartoon character, he's a man. He's not really a moron, and he's not completely unprgamatic. He *IS* a team player and he *DOES* delegate, a lot. A change in who advises him equals a very real change in his policies. If Rove is out and Baker is in, you'll see a very diffrent Bush for his last two years.

This is his chance to get immigration reform through, to salvage his legacy on Iraq, and to attempt entitlement reform.

He's still going to fight for things I hate, but a minnimum wage bill with some pork for buisness in it is radically diffrent than a wiretapping bill with some pork for buisness in it.

If Democrats actually think that this "change of heart" is utterly true and Bush is changing his paths because he has "seen the light" than they are more gullible than I thought. If all it takes is getting rid of one person and changing his verbal tune one day later to make Bush look good and the people believe him, than there will not be much change in the next few years.

Gullable would be thinking he'd gain something somehow by not comprimising to accomplish things now that he won't be running for anything ever again.

It's not about being gullible. I would hope by now it's understood that intelligence doesn't trump hope. While I don't expect a 180 from the man, the simple facts are that some concessions will have to be made, and he's starting to realize that. If not, look at the Rumsfeld resignation.
He will probably go on to do things I'm not fond of, but for fuck's sakes, be gracious in victory, people. Kids. No manners.

Eloquence belongs, to the conqueror.

However Canadians never win anything besides the occasional hockey game. So I can still say that I am pleased by todays results and hold no allusions about the reality of Bushs new stance.

However Canadians never win anything besides the occasional hockey game. So I can still say that I am pleased by todays results and hold no allusions about the reality of Bushs new stance.

Ohhh, Canidian, that explains it. Sorry.

No excuse for DSD though!

A moderate due to necessity.

You think he is doing it because of a legacy.

I think it is because its his old trick and he has nothing left to fall back on.

Difference of opinion aside, it is still nice to see a situation where it is necessary for him to be a moderate regardles of the true source of the humble pie.

God Bhod, you'd make a ****-poor politician.

Fair enough.

If you want to cop out of your argument that Bush was not really that much of a **** and that he was only the way he was because he thought following Rove would get results, well that's just fine. Playing the jaded card is old hat but I'll let it slide.

I can accept that you can't take that argument any further.