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#1 Nov 10 2004 at 2:29 PM Rating: Decent
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ok, a lot of people on midgar are uber-whiney little ****

we all complain about how we're "infested with gil sellers and bots" blah blah blah blah.

wanna know a little something? who gives a flying **** shut the **** up and just **** play. explore, party, quest, do missions, craft, see what else is out there and enjoy the game.

keep your whiney **** drama out of our game community and stop trying to bot-hunt every person that can out pull/voke/whatever you.

don't blame others cos you suck at FFXI, and possibly suck at life.

rate down or up, i care not. you're the one who can't handle the reality of it all and obviously enjoy doing nothing but complaining about something.

Edited, Wed Nov 10 14:30:16 2004 by tofubot
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#2 Nov 10 2004 at 3:07 PM Rating: Decent
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If it's such a problem you can just go past the threads / blist the person whining. Clearly with so many people "whining" about gilsellers, bots and all that junk it must be a real issue. Just because it doesn't affect you much doesn't mean others have it that easy too.
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#3aratz, Posted: Nov 10 2004 at 3:23 PM, Rating: Sub-Default, (Expand Post) Tofubot buys gil!!!
#4 Nov 10 2004 at 6:02 PM Rating: Default
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for one. tak... it effects us all. people that can't help complaining about being too lazy to make a difference shouldn't have a public forum. just play without your gear you want so bad if you're not gonna take time to do anything for it.

and for two. i don't buy gil.. i'm the original bot. how many other people have bot in their name?

ps: most people still suck at this game.
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As much as I dissagree with the way he said it, and with his opinion of most players, I agree with tofubot. People should focus alot less on the negetives about our server and just go out and work on the positives. Complaining about it isnt doing anything, except ruin other people's fun by having to see it in places they normally would have found entertaining. I have avoided these forms for the most part because of the constant whining and complaining, and flame wars. Honestly I am embarassed on how people can act that way for such an enduring amount of time.

Just because things are difficult, dosent make the game or our server any worse or better. I take things very slowly and know every pain and nook and cranny very well as I takes me even longer than most people to accomplish it. The key here is paitence. I realized most people are obsessed about getting the most out of their membership bill, but maybe people are looking for enjoyment by the wrong means. Stop worrying about hastly progression and focus more on enjoying 'life' in this world we pay to be a part of.

Anyways, thats just my two cents. I dotn think everyone sucks, but I do think we can act more civil about these things now.
#6 Nov 11 2004 at 4:20 AM Rating: Default
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Um you have no life do you? You should just play the game and shut up. Anyways I am tired of people complainig either way on this, making a point to tell others to shut up and they suck at the game is just pointless. Kind of makes me wonder how old you are. If your truely smart enough you will just shut up and end this.
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#8 Nov 11 2004 at 11:31 AM Rating: Good
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Um you have no life do you?


I work full time, am currently working on turning a long distance relationship into a life-long one. And entertain two other hobbies besides this one, one of which includes preformance swordfighting. I have entirely TOO much going on. Please dont assume people do not have lives just because they have opinions.
#9 Nov 11 2004 at 12:44 PM Rating: Default
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I think both Tofubot and Hyrist both have good points. I do however feel Tofubot could have been a bit more constructive lol. But Hyrist's point is perhaps the most logical reason that people whine about whatever that I have heard on this forum... the fact that a lot of people race to level their jobs to get the most out of their monthly subscription. I myself think this is what I have been doing for so long until recently I have taken the time to explore other jobs. Can't we all just get along?!
#10 Nov 11 2004 at 1:19 PM Rating: Decent
Tofubot why would to tell other to shut up about complaining & youre doing the thing that you dispise but none the less...call me "Whiney" or "Complainer" whatever Im against all gil sellers & "BOTS" and will report, train, & counter spam or try to impead any and all Gil sellers or Bots...i.e.Mats, Maks, PSuukra and to many others to name b/c they are rude players who dont respect others or FFXI, not to mention that they are played by more than 4 or 5 people...

FYI it is against the rules to sell gil why ? if you dind know which i dout its b/c it lowers gil's value and makes our enconomy the worst in FFXI b/c Migard has the most "sellers" in FFXI..if you dindt already know that.

Lets not forget about how they have cornered the Sinper Ring Market & price gouge when ever they fell like it We all know the majority of Gil Sellers are from China or some other "Far-East" country ( not being racisit its just the truth ) and sell gil for a real life living b/c its a livable wage in thier country with multiple people playing thier character thru out the day staying logged on for more than 24hrs at a time.

ITS JUST WRONG AND AGAINST THE RULES and with me working a fulltime job and having a real life I hate the fact that I have to compete with Bots & Gil sellers who dont care about FFXI or the universe dont care about thier reputation or helping others..

B/C of these "sellers" it will take everyone IMO 20%-30% longer to get better gear & level thier Character so to me they ruin my personal expirence and I will be dammed if the run me away from the game I love & have been playing the FF franchise for over 10 years ! SOON THE REVOLUTION WILL BEGIN VIVA LA RESISTANCE !!! *Deep Breath From the Absurdity*
#11 Nov 11 2004 at 2:16 PM Rating: Default
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ok, i refuse to be more tactful on the subject, because tact is jsut not saying true things. but really, this game isn't supposed to be about rushing to lvl 75. mmo's are MEANT to take forever to play. so you're still playing this game years from now when shorter attention spans have jumped ship to the latest trend. loads of awesome games have and are coming out, but after i play through those and have my memories with them, i'm still going to be fireing up my hard drive and playing this game. why? cos i enjoy the commitment of time. i work 9 hour days, i have a fiance that i stopped playing for a while because of, and now whenever i'm with her i don't. so my play time is drastically reduced, but i still have fun running around and seeing new sights and going to lvl up. i don't care so much if i just kick back and talk to my LS and never gain a single experience point, or if my stuff on the AH doesn't sell, cos this isn't the center of my life.

yes our economy ingame sucks, but the US economy sucks too. you just have to wait for it to cycle thru. if you don't like it, maybe you shoulda opted for that world shift eh?

we all have jobs and hobbies and other prior agendas before this game, so why make the game a **** chore? only a total drama factory would try to make a communal game built for entertainment purposes into a full time job on top of their full time job. so go and enjoy wasting away your time trying to activly stop something you'll never make a dent into, while i make more friends and have a richer experience. i know a lot of players are whiney teenagers, but those of us that aren't, get out of high school mentally please. you are not a great and mighty force of justice.
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#12 Nov 11 2004 at 2:24 PM Rating: Decent
Very well said & gave me view from the positive side of things which is needed...and I need to realize THEY CANNOT BE STOPED !

Edited, Thu Nov 11 14:27:03 2004 by Roguewarrior
#13 Nov 12 2004 at 9:54 AM Rating: Decent
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Very well said Rogue Warrior, Very well indeed.

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#14 Nov 12 2004 at 12:18 PM Rating: Decent
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Despite all the whining and bit[/i]ching, we all still log in and play when we can don't we? Yeah, there's things wrong, but most of us are still here. If people are so discontent, they'd have jumped servers to Hades when given the chance or would have straight out quit.

That's not to say Gil sellers and the like aren't problems. But we all deal with them in our own ways. Most pretty much ignore them. My beef with them is that they constantly make people's jobs harder with their constant monopolizing of NMs. But I still buy whatever I want. Complaining about complainers is like a cow's opinion....it doesn't matter. We all just keep on keeping on, don't we?

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#15 Nov 12 2004 at 1:07 PM Rating: Decent
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I'll reply just a bit because this is actually turning into a very interesting argument.

While I agree with points made on both sides of this fence, I would like to ellaborate a bit.

I am one of the few people in the game that actually likes to farm, I mean it still takes me FOREVER to get good gil, but it does not bother me.

Now I would like to say I for one AM very upset with the gil farmers, but there is not much I can do about it so I just talk to my LS aobut it, or if someone in a PT brings it up in conversation, I discuss.
Von here, touches on a good subject, many of us want to be the best we can be, nobody wants to feel that they are hurting their pt. I for one don't like showing up to a pt knowing that they feel my gear is going to bring them down. I feel that gear is secondary to good teamwork, but that is another argument.
But it can be a bit frustrating to be 'wanting' this good gear, and not being able to get it, because other people are 'cheating' the hard working players out of it/them. So I don't blame people for getting upset, nor Tof for getting upset with those compalining, I mean, who wants to hear that all teh time. Lashing out that way is not the answer though.
Just because you disagree/complain about something, does not make you a loser in life.

In short, my thoughts, and mine only, If you really have a problem, tell SE (Square Enix). If you tire of hearing people complain, Blist em.

If you keep getting beat to all teh NM's b4 you can even see em, like me, start farming more, and getting up your crafts.


Sorry for being long winded. 2cents
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#16 Nov 12 2004 at 1:17 PM Rating: Default
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wanting to do something and complaining about doing something constantly are 2 different things that accomplish the same goal.

nothing.

doing something about it, then inspiring others to do the same, that's productive.

i don't understand continuing to play if you wanna keep going on about gil sellers ect. ad nausem.

also, there's better ways to get gil than farming and NM camping. farming should only be used to gather materials for crafting in my opinion. the only time i farm is for seeds. and nm camping is kinda an unfair practice as it is. if it was fair, all NM drops would be rare/ex, and people who camped them would be only the people who need them.

Edited, Fri Nov 12 13:18:40 2004 by tofubot
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Tofubot,
At first i was actually put out by your post, slightly offended then took a few minutes and thought about it before i posted something i'd regret (considering I do agree with you^), but that last one was really good; It made a lot more sense and i appreciate that, Tofu.

Players have a right to dislike our economy/NC/Gil sellers/ect, but whining really wont do anything. Now that we know how the "whinners" (1/2 the server. lol jk jk) are, start working together to make it better guys^^

Think of how many ppl are "screwing" us over, and then think about how many ppl are getting "screwed" . Screwees out weigh the Screwers^^ lol. there isnt anything stopping us from banding together.

Thanks again Tofubot^^ see ya around Midgar
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Edited, Fri Nov 12 16:33:40 2004 by Jait
#18aratz, Posted: Nov 12 2004 at 10:57 PM, Rating: Sub-Default, (Expand Post) **** SE for not making them rare/ex >:O
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if it was fair, all NM drops would be rare/ex, and people who camped them would be only the people who need them.


Of course, let's make all NM drops Rare/Ex and **** up our economy. If the only people who camped it were people who needed it, then you would have a lot more campers since they couldn't buy the drops anymore. Also, say good bye to all of your neat crafted things if all NM drops were Rare/Ex. Things like Behemoth mantle, snipers rings, winged boots, jujitsu gi, cursed armor, dragon rings, etc. Roughly 15-20% of all the craft recipes in the game use some NM drop or another. I'm glad that Square-Enix is too smart to do this.
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#20 Nov 13 2004 at 12:11 PM Rating: Decent
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Damn, I wish I had macros here like I do for FFXI. Maybe I can make a macro in FFXI, that will make me feel like I'm on the forums instead...hmmm.

Macro: "ForumWhine"
/sh Gilsellers/Botters/Undercutters suck!
/sh Sniper's Rings are too expensive and suck!
/sh I'm broke and farming sucks!
/sh lfp sucks!
/sh People hate my Job and that sucks!
/logout (suck)

Wow. Feels like home already.


For the love of god, people, tofubot has a point. A coarse, brash, perhaps even rude point, but still a very valid point. There are a lot of things you can do in our game besides the things everyone **** about.

Point the First:
It's a game. GAME. G-A-M-E. If you're not having fun doing it, you really need to find something else to do. Go take a dinner break, shut it down for the night, take a month off, quit altogether.

Point B:
So you're persistant/masochistic/"not a quitter"? Fine. But keep your **** to yourself. You want to really fix things? Find a solution. Find an alternate means to your ends. Find a better way to do what you do. Lurk some forums. Research. Adapt. Invent.
No one cares if you have a mouse infestation, but they'll listen when you've built a better mousetrap.

Point #3:
What are you doing anyways? Why?
This isn't a race to 75. And if it is, you've already lost to everyone else there. Was Rank5 part of the story to you, or what you had to do to get your Airship License? Did you do quests to raise fame, or to do quests? How many NPCs have you laid eyes on, but never talked to? How many stone monuments have you read without trying to complete the Selbina Clay quest?
Have you ever played FFI - FFX to max your characters' levels instead of playing for the story? If not, then what makes you think FFXI would be any different?


That's all I've got. Have a good day. I'm going to go log in and see what's new (to me).
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#21 Nov 13 2004 at 1:06 PM Rating: Decent
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Bravo, Bravo, finally people saying to just Shut up, play the game and have fun!! emphasis on the word "fun"!!
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#22 Nov 15 2004 at 1:16 PM Rating: Default
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averno. normally i like what you have to say, but what you just said here makes you a stupid dumb ass.

you can still craft with rare/ex items.

once a person camps and gets their rare/ex drop it's no longer nessecary for them to camp it, so there you go.

also, it'll give people initiative again if they want the drop to get off their lazy **** and camp it instead

there's no easy solution... and there's definitly no solution if you're lazy and suck at this game, or don't want to make a time investment in a game that's not supposed to take a few days or months to "finish" it.

you don't beat this game, you experience it... get over it!
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#23aratz, Posted: Nov 15 2004 at 1:45 PM, Rating: Sub-Default, (Expand Post) LOL
#24aratz, Posted: Nov 15 2004 at 1:47 PM, Rating: Sub-Default, (Expand Post) Dont **** at me for botting then!
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i didn't **** at you for botting.

i just said you suck at this game... it's a world of difference.
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#26ghsfootball, Posted: Nov 15 2004 at 7:18 PM, Rating: Sub-Default, (Expand Post) im getting **** at what you have to say Tofubot you have done nothing but insult people for "Whining".. your form of whining is very wrong
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my response... maybe you shouldn't hire the narcoleptic pilot.
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#28ghsfootball, Posted: Nov 15 2004 at 7:27 PM, Rating: Sub-Default, (Expand Post) >< its an example **** theres lots of reasons a plane could crash thats just an E-X-A-M-P-L-E did you get that? I sure hope so because your too stubborn to listen to anyone
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of course, when you make the example it's serious as all get out.

when i wittily reply you claim it's an example and i should shut up with my smart **** comment.

of course when you wanna get a sniper ring you **** and moan and blame gil sellers for why you hate your game time

but when called on your obsessive need to **** and moan it's "just a game"

again... touche' ****
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1. I havent said "its just a game once" (nice job ****

2. wittily reply? (I think someone is in love with himself)

3. Every melee job needs a sniper ring but because of you and your **** sex friends you dont want to give anyone the chance unless you can make 100+ bucks off it
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/em passes the blunt to tofu!
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#32 Nov 17 2004 at 12:30 PM Rating: Decent
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1. I havent said "its just a game once" (nice job dipsh*t)

2. wittily reply? (I think someone is in love with himself)

3. Every melee job needs a sniper ring but because of you and your **** sex friends you dont want to give anyone the chance unless you can make 100+ bucks off it


1. please don't make me go search to find where you did say this. i really don't feel like researching right now.

2. yes, a witty reply. and yes i am in love with myself,because as the whitney says... the greatest love of all is to love yourself.

3. have i ever said i'm inleauge or support "gil sellers"? no, i've said i just wanna get back to enjoying this game and its resources without hearing this as a scapegoat for all your problems. ****
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----To Tofubot----
OMG you are so @%#*ing stupid,gay,and about the biggest hypocrite i have ever seen. you are complaining about complaining...how screwed up is that. your a **** if your that hypocritical... Hey Tofubot....SHUT UP AND PLAY!!!
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I might not know as much as you do about Final Fantasy XI...but I do have a point. You are making a very hypocritical statement, and I think that since I have pointed it out, you see it and are attmpting to say that I dont know what I am talking about by saying "Treylon sucks at FF".Yea... it is true that ALOT of people complain, but if it annoys you so badly then you should make good use of the blacklist. It is also true Midgard has alot of gil-farmers and gil-sellers on it. And those people cause alot of unrest...and with unrest comes complaining. Since it is impossible to make everyone stop complaining you should stop too.
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hypocritical? i'm sorry buddy, but update your websters.

i was just voicing what needed to be said. stop bemoaning the game, and either quit or learn to enjoy yourself, it's easy as that.
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#37 Dec 23 2004 at 6:35 PM Rating: Decent
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Um... I'm only here because I saw someone passing around a blunt. *Puppy dog eyes* Please?
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/em passes the blunt.
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Thats what I was going to post, then I read over it and did what I myself posted, Though a min and relized I to am **** about this post. i shouldn't have posted anything if I myself wasnt going to Cry about somthing. So all of those who have read this and not posted something Rate up for you, all the rest of us Rate down, in my books were no better then the people crying in game. Just play, us cry is the same as them, dont lower yourself to there level.
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#40 Dec 23 2004 at 9:15 PM Rating: Default
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Dude...you are right....Lets stop this debate about what it right and wrong and ect. and enjoy the Game like Tofubot was talking bout..

Oh and Tofubot...srry bout saying crap..lol ^_^
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WOW!!!
Look at the time i post that last message and the time now i went from a 3.22 rating to a 2.48 **** people hate me. ohh well. just wanted to post how fast my rating dropped. guess im wrong on this.

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Hummm, maybe i dont understand this rate thing now this post is a 3.21 weird.

Edited, Thu Dec 23 21:52:49 2004 by SeverZ
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#42 Dec 23 2004 at 9:49 PM Rating: Decent
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"i was just voicing what needed to be said. stop bemoaning the game, and either quit or learn to enjoy yourself, it's easy as that."
Hey your right...so since all this **** is such a problem to YOU, just like gillsellers are to others, then you should take your own **** advice dumbass, and leave the forums, and if **** is such a problem for you in game you should quit that too.
Also if you think that just because you were "voicing what needed to be said" that all the **** is gunna go away then you are just as ignorant as the people who think **** is gunna change things with the gillsellers.
However one thing is against the rules of the game, another is not.
So shut the **** up with your stupid **** rant about **** because with this thread you just became one.
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WOW!!!
Look at the time i post that last message and the time now i went from a 3.22 rating to a 2.48 **** people hate me. ohh well. just wanted to post how fast my rating dropped. guess im wrong on this.

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Hummm, maybe i dont understand this rate thing now this post is a 3.21 weird.


Karma **** lol
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#44 Dec 23 2004 at 10:46 PM Rating: Decent
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hey dic, crawl back under your bridge buddy.

oh and **** you too.

i can say all of you people crying bot gillseller nerf ect. should stop crying about the game and enjoy it and not be a hypocrite for this reason...

i'm still enjoying the game reguardless of you and your drama soaked e-persona, gil sellers, fish bots, NC, or whoever else you choose to blame.

don't blame me and my ability to adapt and evolve.
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#45 Dec 23 2004 at 11:21 PM Rating: Default
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Blame you? When did i blame you for anything. Other then just being one of the people you seem to hate so much. Those people who whine.
I never once said i cant enjoy the game because of gilsellers. I never once said i cant enjoy the game because of Nc,fish bots or anything.
Did I? No i said that you were being a **** for **** about **** since it wont DO anything.
You said that complaining wont DO anything, you were absolutely right. So why are you complaining that people complain?
I love how you respond to me with nothing more then **** you too" and with things i didnt even say.
Thats great you can adapt, so has everyone else that is still playing the game despite the people who gilsell.
You just need to either accept that people can voice what their opinions are, or stop voicing your own.
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#46 Dec 23 2004 at 11:41 PM Rating: Default
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hey dic. again, **** you.
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/hurray
Glad to see you took the advice and stopped ****
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i don't feel the need to continue explaining the same point. i've said my piece, and you're just to thickheaded to understand a simple concept.

thanks for playing who wants to be a forum troll. a winner is you.
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#49 Dec 24 2004 at 1:29 AM Rating: Default
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WOW...I feel bashed...i took bak what i said and you reply with

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"can say all of you people crying bot gillseller nerf ect. should stop crying about the game and enjoy it and not be a hypocrite for this reason..."

You really are a hypocrite hipocrite... now i dont take back what I
said. Dicdonya has a point..he was saying the same thing I was saying. He is right. You need to stop complaining. lol and if anyone is a "Forum Troll" its you!

why don't you take your own advise and shut up and play
#50 Dec 24 2004 at 1:29 AM Rating: Decent
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Doh went down again 2.10 on last one whaat will this post. be im just post stuff here now to post stuff becuase its funny to watch Girls fight they pull hair and stuff. kinda mean if you ask me but girls dont hold back you know?
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3.17 when i posted this. lets see how many more rate downs i get. after this im not post anything else sont want to go below 3.00

Edited, Fri Dec 24 01:29:56 2004 by SeverZ
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#51 Dec 24 2004 at 1:45 AM Rating: Default
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Nice work! This **** doesnt deserve scholar status.
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