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#1 Apr 15 2010 at 5:31 PM Rating: Default
Well here is another 1 for all the the good ppl of Lakshmi to look out for LS Name is Forgottensouls there Garuda refugees.
Leader Hixc members are Andey ,Areli ,Blazette, Bobby, Bochers, Calessa, Chimeran, Chrisalan, Cledant, Combatojo, Deece, Demonslayerx, Devilson, Dhalsimir, Dondragon, Elizrt, Fornicate, Gwenolyn, Harryhenderson, Hawktheslayer, Iaxz, Icegod, Kaminokari, Kinksta, Koooo, Ladyyunie, Lyfelyne, Mettaflame, Misterwaffle, Racast, Rangiiku, Refeause, Silus, Susame, Syruss, Timmi, Tooie, Weglo, Wolfknight, Woogwai.

Its really a shame that a few bad ppl from Garuda are making it hard for the good people from Garuda to adjust to Lakshmi, and that Lakshmi folks are stereo typing all the refugee's. I know there's nothing I can do to stop my zones getting jacked other then to post on them so they get less and less party and mission invites like what happened to Vicious were they kicked there leader and now work with our LS so all LS's can get what there members need.
Thanks for your time

DF
#2 Apr 15 2010 at 5:32 PM Rating: Decent
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I recognize Chimeran. Not from Garuda.

Dunno any of the rest
#3 Apr 15 2010 at 5:40 PM Rating: Good
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OK... I know it sucks to lose a Dynamis zone but seriously, this isn't 2007 anymore. Nobody ******* about this anymore. Everybody knows that Dynamis zones are open until you trade an hourglass. Yes, it's nice that we have the RB schedule to make this happen as little as possible, but losing a zone happens sometimes. Man up and head to another zone.

You've been doing Dynamis for what, 2 years or more now? And this is the third time that you've lost a zone? Consider yourself lucky that you've had so few issues.

Edited, Apr 15th 2010 6:41pm by chewzer
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Chew is being a lot more level-headed regarding the whole issue, which is strange because he's probably drunk.
#4REDACTED, Posted: Apr 15 2010 at 5:46 PM, Rating: Sub-Default, (Expand Post) IDK about you Chewzer sometimes your supportive sometimes your not, must be an off med day I guess feel free to not even read my post and I wasn't ******** were ever you got that from I'm informing and that's what took vicious down. And you should know me I careless what you think. Your to fickle.
#5 Apr 15 2010 at 5:58 PM Rating: Excellent
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...what?
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Chew is being a lot more level-headed regarding the whole issue, which is strange because he's probably drunk.
#6 Apr 15 2010 at 6:05 PM Rating: Decent
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I think its the fact that yes we have got jacked once in two years before the merger and now twice in two weeks, that is the whole point of posting, really how hard is it to use the RB calendar??

Sure we expected a few problems with the merger but come on people just use the calendar... unless you like being asshats.
#7 Apr 15 2010 at 6:13 PM Rating: Excellent
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Don't get me wrong; of course I support using the calendar. However, it's just be silly of someone to assume they have special rights to that zone just because they announced beforehand on a website.

Edited, Apr 15th 2010 7:15pm by chewzer
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Chew is being a lot more level-headed regarding the whole issue, which is strange because he's probably drunk.
#8 Apr 15 2010 at 7:17 PM Rating: Excellent
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OK... I know it sucks to lose a Dynamis zone but seriously, this isn't 2007 anymore. Nobody ******* about this anymore.


I'm not even part of the Dynamis scene and I hear random friends ***** about their groups getting zonejacked constantly.

Maybe people don't ***** openly about it anymore, but they certainly do in private.

Personally, I usually just eyeroll at these people and tell them at least they get the chance to do Dynamis and get any relic at all. So far this hasn't worked in stopping the *********
#9 Apr 15 2010 at 7:22 PM Rating: Good
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Fynlar wrote:
Maybe people don't ***** openly about it anymore, but they certainly do in private.

Well of course. It sucks to get everybody together just to have some random jackass run up and claim the zone. I just found it a bit extreme and immature to come here and rage post in an attempt to give all the other shell members a bad name.
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Chew is being a lot more level-headed regarding the whole issue, which is strange because he's probably drunk.
#10 Apr 15 2010 at 10:04 PM Rating: Good
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Personaly I wouldnt be part of a shell who jack zones, so imo the members are just as bad as the leaders because theres no way they cant know what they are doing.

So they are the ones giving themselves a bad name, and posts like this are no worse than the post about people getting ripped off by other players (I.E. Valdan) that the posters here seem to jump on with great joy.

Edited, Apr 16th 2010 12:06am by AlyxDK
#11 Apr 15 2010 at 10:56 PM Rating: Good
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AlyxDK wrote:
(I.E. Valdan)

Please, please tell me you know the difference between this and someone who repetitively broke an agreement with parties and took what was not rightfully his. Just by using terms like 'jacking' and 'stole', you are implying that you have some kind of ownership or rights to that zone. That doesn't apply here.

The RB schedule is there for making things more convenient and organized for the Linkshells that participate; and it does a wonderful job of that. However, shells are in no way obligated or required to submit to it, or even check it.

I understand the frustration of gathering at a zone just to have it claimed by another shell, but this is a poor way to respond to it. I wouldn't be surprised at all if they retaliate by doing future runs in the zones you have planned.
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Chew is being a lot more level-headed regarding the whole issue, which is strange because he's probably drunk.
#12 Apr 16 2010 at 4:15 AM Rating: Decent
Chewzer your still missing the whole point of this, when group of ppl in RL run around and do what ever they please when they please without regrade for others, we call them thugs or gangs its no different here, if they want to run around and ruin what other ppl are trying to do that's not cool and not just except there behavior, they may start to act more decent. Yes they can do want they want, but if people ban together and show them that there action are not honorable and don't invite them to parties, missions and other events then they will change and start to work with others. And then everyone will have a better time in game. You also weren't there when this occurred there leader would not respond there members were rude and crude foul spoken. I tried to talk things out but they didn't want to. and you saying this a a poor response means you don't know what your talking about THIS IS A PROVEN METHOD FOR CRUDE BEHAVIOR and has worked in the past. And there are tactics that I can do and other LS can do to disrupt there play time like zone holding but I would rather not do underhanded things I'd rather teach them to be decent and get along with others so we all can have fun in game. and as I stated before feel free not to read my posts seeing how you don't understand the point of it.
#13 Apr 16 2010 at 4:25 AM Rating: Good
I do not appreciate my name being listed here as a bad player. I have been away from the game for a year for personal reasons. To come back and get labeled as a bad player on my first attempt at something is ridiculous. This was my first run with this shell. Yes, you may have said on some forum that you wanted this zone; but to be honest you only had 1 person there; we had the whole linkshell. ForgottenSouls is an awesome linkshell, I have never on my first run in any shell attempted DL and beaten him. I think you forgot to mention that only 1, maybe 2 people were rude; and that would be because you came at us in a rude manner yourself.


As you stated:
Its really a shame that a few bad ppl from Garuda are making it hard for the good people from Garuda to adjust to Lakshmi, and that Lakshmi folks are stereo typing all the refugee's.


Hello, aren't you doing this exact thing?!

Edited, Apr 16th 2010 6:44am by Blazette
#14 Apr 16 2010 at 4:56 AM Rating: Good
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You honestly think that making this post will change a damn thing? No, it hasn't worked in the past. Ever. In fact it always compounds the problem.

And seriously, stop bringing up Vicious. If you honestly think anything you did had any effect on them, much less "took them down", you're completely dense. Hell, if I remember correctly you even got their members flags so they wouldn't continue to run on your scheduled zones.
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Chew is being a lot more level-headed regarding the whole issue, which is strange because he's probably drunk.
#15 Apr 16 2010 at 5:01 AM Rating: Decent
Your and idiot and yes it has Vicious members were not getting invites to parties and missions so they kicked there leader and stopped there aggressive actions and now work with with other LS and yes they use RB calendar. So you really don't know what your saying.
#16 Apr 16 2010 at 5:02 AM Rating: Good
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Blazette wrote:
I do not appreciate my name being listed here as a bad player.
I wouldn't worry about it too much. Smiley: clown Nobody's going to take it seriously.
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Chew is being a lot more level-headed regarding the whole issue, which is strange because he's probably drunk.
#17 Apr 16 2010 at 5:07 AM Rating: Default
That's true no one take you serious.
#18 Apr 16 2010 at 5:09 AM Rating: Good
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Your and idiot and yes it has Vicious members were not getting invites to parties and missions so they kicked there leader and stopped there aggressive actions and now work with with other LS and yes they use RB calendar. So you really don't know what your saying.
And as I said before, if you really think they're 'jacking' of a Dyna zone from some little-known shell had any bearing on the shell breaking, with all the crap they pulled at major HNM camps and other endgame events, then you're a fool.

And for god's sake, if you're going to try to insult me at least make an attempt to spell correctly or use some sentence structure.
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Chew is being a lot more level-headed regarding the whole issue, which is strange because he's probably drunk.
#19 Apr 16 2010 at 5:14 AM Rating: Default
Your a fool you always miss the point of things if its not your opinion its it must be wrong, you haven't stuck to anything you have started in game and just whine and complain how things are not fairly, Most of Lakshmi know your just all talk at least I try to change things for the better unlike you.
#20 Apr 16 2010 at 5:15 AM Rating: Good
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Deathfather wrote:
Your a fool you always miss the point of things if its not your opinion its it must be wrong, you haven't stuck to anything you have started in game and just whine and complain how things are not fairly, Most of Lakshmi know your just all talk at least I try to change things for the better unlike you.

Now you've actually made me laugh out loud.
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Chew is being a lot more level-headed regarding the whole issue, which is strange because he's probably drunk.
#21 Apr 16 2010 at 5:19 AM Rating: Default
Well good that's better then listening to you crying again.
#22 Apr 16 2010 at 5:49 AM Rating: Decent
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Fynlar wrote:
[quote]OK... I know it sucks to lose a Dynamis zone but seriously, this isn't 2007 anymore. Nobody ******* about this anymore.


I'm not even part of the Dynamis scene and I hear random friends ***** about their groups getting zonejacked constantly.

Maybe people don't ***** openly about it anymore, but they certainly do in private.

Personally, I usually just eyeroll at these people and tell them at least they get the chance to do Dynamis and get any relic at all. So far this hasn't worked in stopping the *****************

I know I am a total outsider (being an EQ2 player, mainly) but I have to ask, and please understand I do not know Dynamis from Dy-no-mite! but...

SE designed this zone with a mechanic that makes it contested, allowing others to come along and steal it, yes? Is that what I am understanding? This entire issue is because the devs designed the zone to be jack-able, intentionally, but the players have found a solution to work around it rather than demand that the devs change the dynamic?
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#23 Apr 16 2010 at 5:54 AM Rating: Excellent
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That's the jist of it, yes. A clan website has volunteered to host a schedule that other clans can submit to in advance to avoid conflicts. Obviously, it's not used by the entire playerbase since it's an unofficial schedule, and not all clans plan in advance.
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Chew is being a lot more level-headed regarding the whole issue, which is strange because he's probably drunk.
#24 Apr 16 2010 at 6:53 AM Rating: Default
a /tell to me anytime before the day of a scheduled run. and we can work things out.

Edited, Apr 20th 2010 2:45pm by ChrisHicks
#25 Apr 16 2010 at 8:37 AM Rating: Decent
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Right now, you are griping because a set of supposed 'rules' that you and many other Lakshmi shells agreed to use, is being broken by a group that never agreed to those rules.

I'm going to draw a parallel situation here so you can maybe understand how ridiculous this is -- This is not intended to start a religious debate in any way, but I'm using this example because nearly everyone has experienced it in some way, either through observation or directly:

A fanatical Christian, well-intentioned, gets upset with someone else because that person, who is not a Christian and has not agreed to the same set of moral standards, is having pre-marital sex.

How would you judge that Christian if he or she took a public stand and denounced that person? That is what you are doing here.



It is unfair to lump all the members present in the zone with the leadership of a shell. Many shells have @#%^ leaders and wonderful members. BECAUSE I was present last night, I can say for certain that not all of our members necessarily understood what was going on. I freely admit I knew what was going on, and let me be quite clear: I don't care about your RB calendar.

Simply put, there is no reason anyone - or rather, in this case, any shell - should be required to use a 3rd party organizational tool of any kind to schedule events such as Dynamis. Are such tools useful? If everyone agreed to use them, possibly. However, more problems crop up as the number of shells increase, and a server merge increases that number, indeed.

I play with ForgottenSouls because I like the way the shell operates in regards to drops, payouts, etc; and it worked well with my personal schedule when I joined -- which many other shells did not. The reality is that every shell operates differently internally, and they all operate on different schedules, and so new shells will always be made. Eventually, Rusty Buckets will hit capacity on some time block, and then what? Zone jacking will be the ONLY method for new shells that want to run in that time block at that point.

If I was a shell leader relying on Rusty Buckets for scheduling, I'd be pulling out at this stage -- With the upcoming level-cap increase, you bet your *** some shells are gonna try to start low-manning Dynamis and running it more often with multiple smaller groups. I await the day a single shell is in all zones at once.

Edited, Apr 16th 2010 10:38am by Calessa
#26 Apr 16 2010 at 9:11 AM Rating: Good
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Ever since I started Dynamis on Lakshmi is has been mostly drama free as far as zone clashes go thanks to the RB calendar, the majority of NA linkshells have always used it, is been a great way to avoid this sort of thing and to outright refuse to even consider using it is just rude.

Sure this might not been the way you did things on Garuda bit if things had happened the other way around and Lakshmi had been eaten by Garuda then you would have expected us to conform to the ways you guys do thing, it would be nice if you guys could atleast try the RB calendar out.

And Hixc if you dont know WTF a rusty bucket is you've oviously never been fishing :)
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