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His last comment didn't help his cause any, but looking at your first picture, what comes to my mind initially is the JA/Casting delay that takes place when trying to claim a NM that's just popped, and you happened to get caught by it.
Were you planning on soloing KA?
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Same sorta thing with Watusa. I saw him fishing on the ferry one time. It felt like a hollywood celebrity sighting.
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Probably not, since the log is scrolled up quite a bit, but it's worth pointing out that he IS soloable if you're good
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Were you planning on soloing KA?
Probably not, since the log is scrolled up quite a bit, but it's worth pointing out that he IS soloable if you're good
Yea wiki says you can solo it as pld/rdm...but id like to see that done first
Yeah, but you don't have Atonement yet (or do you?), and I'd bet it'd be almost impossible to pull off without it. It really is THAT good.
Edited, May 18th 2009 6:58pm by Fynlar
Edited, May 18th 2009 6:58pm by Fynlar
Yea i do have it and i can do about 750 constant after hate is accumulated
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Probably not, since the log is scrolled up quite a bit, but it's worth pointing out that he IS soloable if you're good
His /p macro while trying to claim it kept saying "There are no party members" though.
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svlyons wrote:
Same sorta thing with Watusa. I saw him fishing on the ferry one time. It felt like a hollywood celebrity sighting.
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His /p macro while trying to claim it kept saying "There are no party members" though.
Yes, my bad, we have established now that he was trying to solo it >_>
I just didn't know that he had Atonement.
By the way, I would think that a couple pairs of (cycled) Ice Trousers would be a good thing to have for a solo PLD/RDM, since /RDM doesn't give Ice Spikes.
Edited, May 18th 2009 9:07pm by Fynlar
Nothing new, but then again, they are the same shell that wiped to KA. Looks like they have improved, although it might be that someone who actually has skill can Dual Wield their bot mules.
Edited, May 19th 2009 9:24am by Argonaut
Edited, May 19th 2009 9:24am by Argonaut
I've beat instant job abilities with Dia numerous times. It's not common, but it happens.
You can cast a spell on a mob instantly when it pops, but if the spell goes off before the mob can be claimed (3 seconds, I think?), nothing happens. He probably started casting around 2 seconds, and it went off just as KA became claimable.
Getting beat on a claim once doesn't justify making an accusational thread.
Oh, and btw: Dia cast is 1 second. Was he RDM? Job Trait + Warlock's Chapeau + Duelist's Tabard + Loq Earring = .58 second cast.
Edited, May 19th 2009 6:07am by chewzer
You can cast a spell on a mob instantly when it pops, but if the spell goes off before the mob can be claimed (3 seconds, I think?), nothing happens. He probably started casting around 2 seconds, and it went off just as KA became claimable.
Getting beat on a claim once doesn't justify making an accusational thread.
Oh, and btw: Dia cast is 1 second. Was he RDM? Job Trait + Warlock's Chapeau + Duelist's Tabard + Loq Earring = .58 second cast.
Edited, May 19th 2009 6:07am by chewzer
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Chew is being a lot more level-headed regarding the whole issue, which is strange because he's probably drunk.
Yes it is possible to beat others with dia just because of the pop claim wait. I actually did it with KA just like that person did here. What I did was test the wait time it took me to cast dia and the time I could target a popped mob. So eventually I got down to like wait 1.5 or something around there. And by the time dia went off it was right about when you could claim. It certainly pisses people off but it can happen.
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You can cast a spell on a mob instantly when it pops, but if the spell goes off before the mob can be claimed (3 seconds, I think?)
The waiting time required is randomized. Also, it can be subverted with hacks, because many times I've seen mobs claimed before it should be legitimately possible to claim them. Which defeats the whole purpose of the claim delay fix to begin with, but whatever, it's SE we're talking about remember?
Edited, May 19th 2009 2:10pm by Fynlar
EronofLakshmi wrote:
Yea wiki says you can solo it as pld/rdm...but id like to see that done first
I'm confused. You were PLD/RDM? How were you planning on claiming anything with Provoke?
And beyond that, crying "BOT!" is pretty 2005. I'm sorry Eron, I don't really see anything in your screenshots that doesn't happen every day at every camp. You've done enough NM's and HNM's (Anduril) to know how this stuff works (claim delay, claim "stun", whatever you wanna call it).
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I'm confused. You were PLD/RDM? How were you planning on claiming anything with Provoke?
Good question >_> Either he changed his /ja line to /ma Dia while leaving the /p line intact, or he just plain forgot that he didn't have voke. If it's the latter, that's probably one of the more epic ways to lose chance at claim ever >_>
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And beyond that, crying "BOT!" is pretty 2005.
It is pretty obvious when someone is cheating/botting for claim, and people still do it, so no, it's not really 2005. Unfortunately I was not at this particular camp (nor do I ever intend to be at a future KA camp, as I view it as a lost cause) so I can't say anything myself. I'm sure KA is botted at least some of the time though; if you're trying to claim otherwise I'd say you're being blissfully unaware.
I can confirm that E was pld/war. Unless he changed his subjob somehow at Jugner.
With that said, I'm not going to believe or not believe about the bots. His last line certainly doesn't help his cause, as has been stated before, but there's no real way to prove it either.
With that said, I'm not going to believe or not believe about the bots. His last line certainly doesn't help his cause, as has been stated before, but there's no real way to prove it either.
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It is pretty obvious when someone is cheating/botting for claim, and people still do it, so no, it's not really 2005. Unfortunately I was not at this particular camp (nor do I ever intend to be at a future KA camp, as I view it as a lost cause) so I can't say anything myself. I'm sure KA is botted at least some of the time though; if you're trying to claim otherwise I'd say you're being blissfully unaware.
Complaining about it IS quite 2005, actually. Perhaps I'm "blissfully unaware", but ... ******** about botters, whether they exist or not, is pointless because there's no proof. No, the screenshots are not proof of anything. I'm not trying to defend Vic, but people shouldn't cry wolf when beaten to a claim.
Who said there had to be a point? People ***** because it helps them feel better, not because they necessarily think it will do any good. Usually, we know it won't. We can see obvious RMT (both sellers and buyers) all the time but we almost never have definitive proof that's what they are; I guess that means nobody should ever complain about RMT either?
When one person can consistently claim a spawn during the period where I'd be certain to get anti-claimed if I tried to claim, that's all it takes for me to suspect foul play.
When one person can consistently claim a spawn during the period where I'd be certain to get anti-claimed if I tried to claim, that's all it takes for me to suspect foul play.
I'm sorry, but I must agree to disagree. There's more to this than just ******** to feel better. ******** to feel better is "omg, I spent 14 hours camping this and got beat, life sucks!" This is making an accusation. There IS harm and there OUGHT to be a point (and proof) if you're going to try and accuse someone of cheating.
All I see here is someone got beat to a claim, so out of spite they try to make it something else. I don't see a pattern of being beat by the same guy over time, I see 2 screenshots from one instance. Hell, when I was camping Mysticmaker I got real good at claiming him, nearly on the order of 90%. I did it using shadowbind, TODs and the monster radar. I'm sure some people felt I was botting (a real trick on an X-Box), because people would rather belive that than the truth: I was just better than them on that particular day. End of story.
But enough. It's more "fun" to gossip someone is cheating I guess. I'll go back to my non-posting closet.
Edited, May 20th 2009 12:00am by widenorg
All I see here is someone got beat to a claim, so out of spite they try to make it something else. I don't see a pattern of being beat by the same guy over time, I see 2 screenshots from one instance. Hell, when I was camping Mysticmaker I got real good at claiming him, nearly on the order of 90%. I did it using shadowbind, TODs and the monster radar. I'm sure some people felt I was botting (a real trick on an X-Box), because people would rather belive that than the truth: I was just better than them on that particular day. End of story.
But enough. It's more "fun" to gossip someone is cheating I guess. I'll go back to my non-posting closet.
Edited, May 20th 2009 12:00am by widenorg
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I'm sorry, but I must agree to disagree. There's more to this than just ******** to feel better. ******** to feel better is "omg, I spent 14 hours camping this and got beat, life sucks!" This is making an accusation. There IS harm and there OUGHT to be a point (and proof) if you're going to try and accuse someone of cheating.
Didn't necessarily say it was harmless, but it is true that scapegoating when you lose at a claim or nearly anything else in life is pretty much exactly what I said -- a way to feel better about yourself.
I didn't lose to the marathon runner, I lost to his steroids!
Of course, like I said, I have no idea if the dude bots or not, so I'm not taking sides here.
Edited, May 20th 2009 4:02am by Fynlar
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I'm sorry, but I must agree to disagree. There's more to this than just ******** to feel better. ******** to feel better is "omg, I spent 14 hours camping this and got beat, life sucks!" This is making an accusation. There IS harm and there OUGHT to be a point (and proof) if you're going to try and accuse someone of cheating.
Didn't necessarily say it was harmless, but it is true that scapegoating when you lose at a claim or nearly anything else in life is pretty much exactly what I said -- a way to feel better about yourself.
I didn't lose to the marathon runner, I lost to his steroids!
Of course, like I said, I have no idea if the dude bots or not, so I'm not taking sides here.
Edited, May 20th 2009 4:02am by Fynlar
Ok, ******** and complaining to your closest friends might make you feel better. ******** and complaining on a public forum where people doubt your accusations because you have no hard evidence is an entirely different thing. Not only is the complainer trying drag the other party's name through the mud, he's doing so at the expense of his own name.
You can say, "I didn't lose to the marathon runner, I lost to his steroids!" to your closest friends. People will get a good chuckle and console you. However, if you say the same thing to a major newspaper covering the marathon and your quote gets published, then you've got an entirely different thing. You're going to be slammed with a lawsuit for slander. Granted, nothing significant like a lawsuit will happen, but the idea is the same.
Not that I'm disagreeing with you, Fyn. Just your analogy to the OP's post needed tweeking.
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Fynlar wrote:
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I'm sorry, but I must agree to disagree. There's more to this than just ******** to feel better. ******** to feel better is "omg, I spent 14 hours camping this and got beat, life sucks!" This is making an accusation. There IS harm and there OUGHT to be a point (and proof) if you're going to try and accuse someone of cheating.
Didn't necessarily say it was harmless, but it is true that scapegoating when you lose at a claim or nearly anything else in life is pretty much exactly what I said -- a way to feel better about yourself.
I didn't lose to the marathon runner, I lost to his steroids!
Of course, like I said, I have no idea if the dude bots or not, so I'm not taking sides here.
Edited, May 20th 2009 4:02am by Fynlar
Ok, ******** and complaining to your closest friends might make you feel better. ******** and complaining on a public forum where people doubt your accusations because you have no hard evidence is an entirely different thing. Not only is the complainer trying drag the other party's name through the mud, he's doing so at the expense of his own name.
You can say, "I didn't lose to the marathon runner, I lost to his steroids!" to your closest friends. People will get a good chuckle and console you. However, if you say the same thing to a major newspaper covering the marathon and your quote gets published, then you've got an entirely different thing. You're going to be slammed with a lawsuit for slander. Granted, nothing significant like a lawsuit will happen, but the idea is the same.
Not that I'm disagreeing with you, Fyn. Just your analogy to the OP's post needed tweeking.
It's Eron, no one takes him serious anyway.
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Ok, ******** and complaining to your closest friends might make you feel better. ******** and complaining on a public forum where people doubt your accusations because you have no hard evidence is an entirely different thing.
People ***** and complain on the forums to feel better about themselves all the time, generally for reassurance ("you're right, soandso really is a gigantic ****!") or because they feel like they are doing the public a favor by bringing an important issue to light. Doesn't necessarily have to be your close friends. It might be "wrong" to do so in public depending on the circumstances, but that doesn't change the fact that people will generally feel better about themselves when they *****, and is therefore going to be a reason why they do it even if it seems "pointless" to someone/everyone else.
Yall do realize it wasnt the claim i was complaining about right?....it was the timing between all 3 chars because.....even if you run 3 different windowers...its not possible to switch that fast between windows to get off everything in less than 1 second. Im not complaining the fact that he got claim.....just the fact that all 3 chars basically went off at once
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Yall do realize it wasnt the claim i was complaining about right?....it was the timing between all 3 chars because.....even if you run 3 different windowers...its not possible to switch that fast between windows to get off everything in less than 1 second. Im not complaining the fact that he got claim.....just the fact that all 3 chars basically went off at once
Yeah, I realize that. And I also realize that the chat log does not always show actions at the exact time they were performed; for instance, "starts casting" messages will appear right when someone starts casting, but it takes around a second for "uses Chi Blast" or "uses Provoke" messages to appear after they were used (in other words, the abilities are used well before you see them appear in the log). All of which just reinforces how close together those actions were, even more so than what timestamp will indicate.
I do think that if someone were to pull that off legitimately, they probably would not be using a triple-instance of FFXI on one comp, because yeah, I don't see how you would possibly switch between instances that fast.
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