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#27 Nov 11 2005 at 3:59 AM Rating: Good
Ore you rule.

People need to lighten the f*** up, it's a freaking game guys. Level 75 was badass about a year ago, no it mean diddly squat, everyone an there dog has a level 75 character now, that dosn't make you special.

There are alot of elitests out there, infact... I'm even one at times, but only when I know people are being retarted.

I must say though, Ifrit's Cauldron is alot easier to get through in smaller groups.
#28 Nov 11 2005 at 12:49 PM Rating: Decent
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I am thinking the 5 hours of sleep did get to you...

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I have stopped asking if they have it and if i dont see them use right away i cast sneak and invis on them. (Don't even waste my breath anymore)


...cut and dry.

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I always get told that they are saving for some piece of armor and therefore, HAVE oils/powders, but if I can use my mp i should. (Like it's my responsibility to help them save gil,


... simple enuf

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while they ***** about port prices going up)


... referring to the many times i see /shouts in Jeuno with people complaining about this. But b4 you go off on me about that...

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And for those that would like to bash on what i just said... I can often times be found in Jeuno shouting out free ports or helping random people


makes sense to me.... maybe just me >.>

Hope that helps

~Ore

#29 Nov 12 2005 at 4:07 AM Rating: Good
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ok to take the suspense away.... i am that so call un compliant whm that they are talking about.

for another thing orefise I NEVER CALLED YOU GUYS NOOBS you should read your /tells better. i said this "You guys aren't noobish enough to get into trouble." i never said anyone about beeing noobs

but what is really noobish of you guys was talking **** behind myu back inside the linkshell, someone who will remain nameless has told me to go back cause you were talking about me and that paladin. that was uncool, even for you.

and crimsonshadow.... burn in hell because you totally got everything wrong.


a)Worm's Turn, back in my "needing Ni like drugs" days. We do an all LS BCNM, and the split was going to be me getting Ni, and the sum of all the other treasure to be divided amongst the 5 remaining members. This was proposed, agreed upon, and carried out. Whm orb Erase dropped(didnt need it, she was 60+ whm), but instantly she wanted to switch to "orb-drop" rules.

Ok here's the scoop. IT WAS A ******* JOKE!!! :P doesn't mean anything to you does it? and if i wanted to keep the damn scroll i would ahve kept it and enver given any of you the gil now would i? wtf :/ no one can take a joke anymore can you? i even said i was freakin joking.

b) ZM5, Ore had to go back to jeuno to get a few members for Terrigans headstone. Well, about 5 of them needed Earth too(solo one in Caves), so while Ore was in jeuno, Sleek had DC, so Ore told me to take the 5 ragtags through caves to get theirs, which was fine. Took them through(keep in mind that this whm NEVER cast sneak/invis, as she thought no EP would aggro), and we got out in the desert. It dawns on me that we are split up in alliance, I tell them all to drop, and for with me. That way when we get Earth, she can Tele us out of there. This didnt sit well with her, and it took a good 15 minutes of explaining to her that we would reform when we regrouped. But she kept saying she HAD to have refresh for the fight(again, NO fight till Terrigan).

um.... ok riiiight... i did sneak and invis i even did it to the other people :/ i was what lvl 64? whooo i am such a high uber lvl i gotta think i am uber i never got aggro cause i am not stupid enough as you think i am, as for the missunderstanding, isn't everyone allowed to have brainfarts once or twice till they get something right? geez i am not perfect :/ and refresh.... when has anyone ever seen me ask for a god damn refresh..... i never in my whole carreer asked for refresh :/. please all the rdm's that has lvled with me? i think i asked for it once? because i was low on mp and we were still fighting somewhere.... oh i am a refresh ***** :O i must have refresh.

c) The ZM5 run/Ifrit's leg of it, done a different day, to accomodate schedules. It is decided before I even got there that "I" am running this show. Ore is a forgetful little doll, and didnt know the way, Sleek wasnt on for this one, leaving me as the only one who knew where to go. Whm agrees, she WILL listen to me, and she did, till we got to the cauldron. I ask everyone to gather on me, and when I stop, to recast, need it or not, and it's cake. Soon as we gather, off she goes. Most people in alliance(all LS) were hoping the 2 of them died, as it would be poetic. Well, whatever, I lead 12 people to the bottom of the Cauldron in about 15 minutes, using only 4 oils and powders each, and no aggro(Ash wasnt up, talk about luck^^). Afterwards, I tell Ore privately that I am no longer down for anything if this annoyance is coming, as I was at the end of my rope with her, but that was a me-Ore conversation. What happened with Ore and her I'll never know(and don't care, as it is none of my business). All I know is that she is no longer in the LS, and I get a random slapping every now and then(which is nothing new).

i totally ignore you for you bossiness and rudeness so i don't slap you. thanks for thinking it was me :/ i don't even see a point in waving to you :/ so uh yeah nice try buddy :D unfortunately you aren't hated enough for that ^^



as for my so call uberness...... uh yeah so uber lvl 70 whm is the best, i don't do nothing to help people out i don't go out of my own way i don't do ****

yeah maybe i was a tad more responsive to the pld, but meh for one thing, i was all ears to you and everyone, and for another ash dragon never aggroed us the 2 other times we did zm5 for other people :/. I knew you guys well enough to be smart enough to get through the place with out me especially with 2 other whm's. and i was right you guys got through well enough. so maybe you are the one over reacting :/
#30 Nov 12 2005 at 4:50 AM Rating: Excellent
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ok im gonna come right out and say it, the people ore speaks of is myself and shawchert, but i post to stand in my defense.

1 - i joined the alliance late, and did not know the full situation and plan, yes i was there mainly to help my gf, but one, is that really a crime, and two, i help many people every day, i dont expect anything in return, i don't do it to try to glorify myself, i do it out of pure kindness in my heart... I happened to come for my gf because she asked me to, but it's not like i came for her and only her, noone else...

2 - i have helped zm5 run at least 20 or so times, and the majority of times we did best when each party stuck in their own group instead of as a whole of the alliance, too many times have i seen a bomb self destruct and wipe an entire alliance there, if only one party is wiped, then people are left to tractor/raise/etc.. but if everyone dies...chances are you cant reraise due to immediate aggro or such.

3 - i never said it was my playground, i said i knew the area well cause i've been mining there since god knows when, and I never once said I didn't need to listen. actually, what had happened is i kinda just ran in sneaked/invis and went on my marry way without even thinking, when i realized we were ahead of the alliance, i did kinda just go meh, i know the way, no need for us to be a sneak/invis burdon to the rest of the alliance by running back, so we just continued on our way, i had been back and forth a few dozen times, so i was fairly certain i could make it through without troubles. If we did get aggro and die, better just us two than the whole alliance.

4 - shawchert never called the alliance newbs, in fact, she said that she knew that they weren't noobs, which may have been taken the wrong way, but had no bad intentions. I know Shawchert better than anyone else, she is one of the most sweetest people i have ever met and i truly love her, I know she would never have any bad intentions of any kind, i can promise you that. So she happened to follow me in zm5, does that suddenly make her a bad person to want to stick close to her bf? but to call her "one of the most non compliant, unlistening rags you would ever meet" for that?...That's just wrong crimson. IF you are going to blame anyone blame me, not her...

5 - After being kicked from the ls, i talked with some of the other ls sack holders, who said ore told everyone i had been talking bad about ore and bpp behind their backs, which is completely untrue. I don't know who started this lie, but i can assure you i never talked bad behind either of their backs, in fact i have praised them both a few times on these boards.

6 - the whole alliance wasn't pissed at us, just Ore, bpp, and crimsonshadow. because we didnt follow crimson's every order? I've talked to many of the ls members since then, and just about every one of them thinks im a good guy still except them three. Fizher amd tiah are still my best friends in the game, both in ore's ls, still friends with dak, mango, hin, heffe, mordey, concreteman, sgtkae, sleekmotorworkz, pharroh....the list goes on. I have no intentions of making enemies with anyone from altanastears nor making anyone in the game feel belittled by me in any way.

7 - i hit 75 and i became an elitest? hell, i hate pld, i think i suck at it, i'm glad to get it over with and to move on to other jobs, which is why i didn't come as pld that night. i don't think i'm "all that" and i have just about the most basic pld gear you can get....the main reason i wanted to keep going with pld is so i could be high enough to help out anyone whenever needed. which is the only thing i use pld for anymore. You have no idea the hard times i've gone through, i know what a pain in the butt some of this stuff can be, i just like to make it as easy as possible for others...

8 - recently, i put ore's ls aside, didn't leave, but, for the time being, didn't use it because i had a few issues, i left peacefully and didnt make a scene. Me and Shawchert started our own ls, one day when Shaw was in ore's ls, she came on and asked what's up, ore got on her case, and told her to go shout in jeuno for members for her own ls.....Shaw did nothing wrong to be treated like that, starting your own ls is not a crime, and noone should have to be harassed about it if they do.
#31 Nov 12 2005 at 8:01 AM Rating: Default
Shawchert wrote:
Ok here's the scoop. IT WAS A @#%^ING JOKE!!!


It was after a joke "after" u had said it, and after the law was laid down that it is an even split.

Shawchert wrote:
yeah maybe i was a tad more responsive to the pld, but meh for one thing, i was all ears to you and everyone,


It was a show of respect, that you agreed to. I made it very clear that I was not in the mood for your little tiffs that night. I even left farming in Dynamis - Bastok to help out. So when you say you will do as I say, then run off the first chance you got, yeah I hope you meet a fiery end.

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I knew you guys well enough to be smart enough to get through the place with out me especially with 2 other whm's.


Again, you needed it, not me. This was your first time, remember(your own words)? I don't care how many times you have done it since, you were green on this one, and after you aggreeing to listen to me, it took you about 10 minutes to go back on your word and trot off alone. "That" is my beef with you, as it was not the first time you wouldnt listen when doing something you have never done, but had someone along that had.

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but what is really noobish of you guys was talking sh*t behind myu back inside the linkshell, someone who will remain nameless has told me to go back cause you were talking about me and that paladin. that was uncool, even for you.


Now keep in mind that everyone who knows me knows I won't hold back. So "I" never said anything about you "behind your back(what are you? 15? you wanna throw down at the playground?)" that I wouldn't say to you. Actually, if my memory serves me right, I was still talking to you, thinking you were still there. Can't help you depearled, and came back and seen the tail end of my rant.

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one of the most non compliant, unlistening rags you would ever meet" for that


It wasn't just for that. It was a culmination of about 4-5 things that she wouldnt listen on.

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IF you are going to blame anyone blame me, not her...


Like I said man, I have no beef with you. From my watchings, you are a hell of a player, and I enjoy our runs through Dynamis. But her? **** her. Sorry that's your girl, but **** her. Truth be told, the only reason anyone ever had ill will towards you was because of her. Because she would not hestitate to tell anyone how much better you were than them, and would constantly bring your name up for no reason(EX: doing something, and her not listening, saying "Draygorn did it this way, Draygorn this, Draygorn, that, blah blah blah.). It's like the girl in school that had the "perfect" boyfriend in another school. No matter what "you" or anyone else do, "he" has done it, and can do it better. Hope you see where I am coming from on that.

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just Ore, bpp, and crimsonshadow


run that one back hoss' I said I have no beef with you.

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because we didnt follow crimson's every order


Nope. Like I said that night, I wasnt leading you. I said, I didnt care if you ran ahead cuz you knew the way. "She" agrred to follow me, and my plan was stay together. I don't give a flying **** how many ***** up pts get killed there. My way, totally safe, unless ash is up, then its handle with care time. I don't leave anyone behind, and we stay together in case the **** does get raw.

Yes I come off as a **** on here. But it's only because the average person makes me that way. If I don't know about a particular subject, then I have no opinion on it(like Promys, no clue whatsoever, all I know, is I have died in all 3). I have done these ZM so many times I swear I can do it blindfolded now. It's a sign of respect to lsiten to someone who has done it so much. I honestly think I would have let it go if she just followed you. But the fact that she agreed to follow me, then blatently disobeyed me pissed me off something wicked. I don't know it all. I know what I have done multiple times, and I know them well. No one else has a problem with me being the experienced person. It doesn't matter if I loathe a person, if they are in a group I am leading, then they are getting my best.

Edited, Sat Nov 12 08:11:40 2005 by TrueCrimsonshadow
#32 Nov 12 2005 at 10:55 AM Rating: Good
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i have a friend who jokes that there's a quest you have to do when you hit 75 that turns you into an *sshole. i think it's g6.

one thing in defense, when you're 75, you can easily be pulled in multiple directions since everyone wants things from you... this can feed the ego and the intolerance for 'noob' events. (though i don't condone that behavior). much like a whm at any level?
#33 Nov 12 2005 at 10:57 AM Rating: Good
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well the worse thing i see here is the fact that the other zm run in the cape i went ahead with Ravage? what about then? no one cared about me running up ahead then

i am sorry for not listening to every word you said oh king crim, you were being just as bossy then as you were on the ifrit's couldron. I did listen to you, but people make mistakes


and i NEVER wanted to make it your orb your drop, that's still a bunch of bs!!!! i didn't make no damn fuss about nothing, you guys were the ones who took anything way too seriously at that point. :/ you already told us it was a split freaking bcnm and i agreed to it and i didn't complain even after i got erase, which was awesome i never got the best drop before, but still, i was joking around and you guys just took it as me being greedy, trust me i am not greedy i have never had over 800,000 gil this entire time i played this game.

as for my respect for you, it has deminished over time, greatly, a lot of what you said wasn't all true, ash dragon has never aggroed me and the monkey spawns can't be done with a sneak pop.

I do listen, i have always listened maybe it is just you who wants to make **** and start **** :/ I have gone out of my way to help people, and I have helped people on the ls too, but just because i am now a so called high lvl, doesn't mean i don't think i have to listen to you

and as for draygorn this and draygorn that, sure i would like to say something about it, i wanted to see what you guys thought, new ideas to a person might help a little, and if i had known anyone else or was talking with them and asking them advice for what i was doing i would have said the same thing about them to see what you all thought, it is not "I have the perfect boyfriend" unfortunately, i rather follow him or Orefise than following you

in fact NOONE made it clear to me that YOU were the leader, i actually thought Orefise was the leader,

and i see why you are mad at me about going ahead with Draygorn, i do feel bad, and what not, but i thought if you wouldn't mind with Ravage you wouldn't mind with Dray, :/ maybe you should have said something then maybe i would have stayed with you, but it was my fear of always being left behind and last that made me even go with Draygorn, cause i am always left behind, you guys always went ahead of me, when doing things, like your AF in cape Terr. i was right behind you al and i nearly fell last place before getting to where we were going, and i didn't know where we were going.

so because i don't listen to your every since word i am a bad player now? i never saved anyone's *** or did anything good? so be it, i am not the best player but i do know how to play this game,and you are just making it all drama drama drama

and ps i never needed 6-2 anyways, i didn't have it started, so it made no difference if you waited till you got a warp or stayed in ifrit's couldron to say that. so that didn't hurt me much

i am just a normal player, who makes a few mistakes, but now becuase i never listen to every word of king crim i must be the worst

sounds fun

please people if you read this, find out for yourselves, i am quite a nice person compared to what he makes me seem. or i am a piece of trash, all up to you.
#34 Nov 12 2005 at 11:43 AM Rating: Default
..........This is why the baby Jesus cries..........

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well the worse thing i see here is the fact that the other zm run in the cape i went ahead with Ravage? what about then? no one cared about me running up ahead then


No, you didnt. We all went to the Quicksand Caves Entrance. Pharroh, Mightyslayer, and a couple others already had the Earth Fragment, so they hung out in Kuftal. We waited on everyone to gather on me, and then we al lwent together. No one left anyone in the caves that night. We caught aggro in the big room, don't recall who it was, but I came back, we all fought, killed Ants, no harm no foul.

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you were being just as bossy then as you were on the ifrit's couldron.


Of course. You ever try to lead/teach/show someone something and have them not paying attention? Have them chatting about their favorite TV show, what they are doing this weekend, how drunk they are? You say bossy, I say on the edge of a chair with a noose around my neck.

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ash dragon has never aggroed me


I never said it did. I wanted it to when you ran off.

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monkey spawns can't be done with a sneak pop


Odd, they were when I did it. But then again, when I did 6-1, I sneak pulled the Sphinxes too, but when we helped Pharroh do it, both aggroed, so **** happens.

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as for my respect for you, it has deminished over time, greatly


Wow, words of steel, they do cut to the bone......

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sure i would like to say something about it


Imagine my surprise reading that >.>

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unfortunately, i rather follow him or Orefise than following you


Chalk that up to being a child and not knowing how to listen. You didn't like going with me places cuz I don't coddle, and if you **** up, I don't spare feelings. When I am doing something, I am a "get it done first" kind of guy and talk about it later.

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in fact NOONE made it clear to me that YOU were the leader,


Who in the hell do you think you were waiting on? I told Ore to take the ones who missed the random stones to get them, and when Bastok was over I would lead you all through the Cauldron. That's how it went down. before Draygorn joined, none of the guys in the group knew the way. It had been so long for Ore that she herself said she forgot the way. Why do you think you were still in Jeuno? You were waiting on me. Then you gave me some WHM ******** about not having to buy oils and powders(thankfully, someone talked sense into you and you got them anyways). Make no mistake, you guys weren't waiting on me to help me get the stone, you were waitning on me to help you.

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i do feel bad, and what not, but i thought if you wouldn't mind with Ravage you wouldn't mind with Dray


There is a world of difference between the Caves and the Cauldron

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maybe you should have said something then maybe i would have stayed with you


I did. in /p "What did I frikkin say?!? Did I not ask us all to stay together? Did you not agree to stay with the group? People spreading here is not a good idea."

Then I got your "It's safer to go in small groups" crap.

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so because i don't listen to your every since word i am a bad player now?


Nope. It just means you are the most non-compliant, unlistening rag I have ever met.

Shawchert wrote:
but it was my fear of always being left behind and last that made me even go with Draygorn, cause i am always left behind


Poor pitiful me. Here's a thought: Shut up, keep up, and you won't be left?

Shawchert wrote:
please people if you read this,


They wont. Its a dead issue, only I am stupid enough to reply to this, because I rather enjoy the rebuttal.

#35 Nov 12 2005 at 12:19 PM Rating: Decent
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truecrimsonshadow wrote:
"I" am running this show

truecrimsonshadow wrote:
you will do as I say

truecrimsonshadow wrote:
It was a culmination of about 4-5 things that she wouldnt listen on.

truecrimsonshadow wrote:
Yes I come off as a @#%^ on here. But it's only because the average person makes me that way

truecromsonshadow wrote:
blatently disobeyed me pissed me off something wicked

truecrimsonshadow wrote:
Nope. It just means you are the most non-compliant, unlistening rag I have ever met.

truecrimsonshadow wrote:
Poor pitiful me. Here's a thought: Shut up, keep up, and you won't be left?


/clap, i applaud you crim, you are one of the rudest adventurers i have come across in all my time on this game. With all this talk about reaching a high level and thinking their **** don't stink, crim, you meet every aspect of a true elitest, <|Congratulations!|>
#36 Nov 12 2005 at 1:50 PM Rating: Default
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i applaud you crim, you are one of the rudest adventurers i have come across in all my time on this game.


Thanks. I hope she polishes your knob a little harder tonight for your chivalrous act. Even when I said we were cool, you still felt someone hit your buzzer, or you had to defend your honey, or whatever. Well congrats, you have stuck up for her and let all of Lakshmi know that I am the rudest jerk in the game. Hope its a hell of an ******^^
#37 Nov 12 2005 at 11:33 PM Rating: Decent
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you can't expect me to just sit here and watch you accuse my gf of stuff and call her names like that when in my honest opinion, she did nothing to deserve it. of course im going to get defensive over it. I had no beef with you either til you decided to begrudgingly insult my gf and accuse her of things.
#38 Nov 13 2005 at 12:21 AM Rating: Good
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no one else thinks this has escalated beyond an acceptable level? i mean...come on now lol...can't this be done over e-mail or /tell?
#39 Nov 13 2005 at 12:32 AM Rating: Good
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or even not at all it's useless crap flying around
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#40 Nov 13 2005 at 3:03 AM Rating: Decent
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Eh, i've come to the conclusion that this board has just become a place to rant. There are very few threads that dont turn into a flame fest between a group of people. This thread could have been fine left as a generalization. Just that alot of people DO infact become pricks when they hit 75. Except, one thing leads to another and things take a turn. :(
#41 Nov 13 2005 at 12:20 PM Rating: Default
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well when someone feels the need to post on here lies and such about me and my gf and create a bunch of uneeded drama, of course im going to feel the need to defend myself.
#42 Nov 13 2005 at 1:21 PM Rating: Decent
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Eh, i've come to the conclusion that this board has just become a place to rant. There are very few threads that dont turn into a flame fest between a group of people. This thread could have been fine left as a generalization. Just that alot of people DO infact become pricks when they hit 75. Except, one thing leads to another and things take a turn. :(


unfortunately ore should have generalized it a little more, but i had my say already i don't need to defend myself anymore. although i like the keys for whatpuls, but i had to defend myself a little on the lies that i have come across on here...
#43 Nov 13 2005 at 2:07 PM Rating: Good
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I happened to come for my gf because she asked me to, but it's not like i came for her and only her, noone else...



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yes i was there mainly to help my gf,



you showed you were there for for JUST her by sending me tells saying that you were in fact, in your playground. That you mine up there right next to ash dragon all the time, that you know that area better than anyone and you weren't gonna waste your time on taking a "whole alliance" thru there. (No one asked you to lead anything) Especially when you figured we would all wipe. "This way, if you do then Shaw is here to raise you." IMO, it is harder to run off and be away from people you need to raise (not knowing where they are cause you ran off) and then trying to cast magic and getting aggro yourself from trying to raise/tractor people. Fact is we all made it thru, we won the battle. Your conduct (I reread the /tell 6 times while talking TO Draygorn and Shaw (not behind anyone's back) DID in fact call the alliance n00bs, perhaps you made another "mistake" and typo'd.

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i did kinda just go meh, i know the way, no need for us to be a sneak/invis


Yet you didnt say it.... hmmmmmm.

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After being kicked from the ls, i talked with some of the other ls sack holders, who said ore told everyone i had been talking bad about ore and bpp behind their backs, which is completely untrue.


FYI, you were kicked by a vote of 8 people. People you claim are still your friends. The LS is set up so that not just one person has total control to kick/invite people. What I had said is that i was told you were doing this. I even asked you about it straight up. You denied it. the LS knew all of this prior to voting. You in fact, weren't kicked immediately after the vote. We pretty much gave you another chance. Next chance = ZM5 run. Guess you blew that one huh. I received many /tells that night from several people in LS that went on that run.. "When did Draygorn start acting like this?" "My, those two have changed a LOT" "Just when you think you know someone..."


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recently, i put ore's ls aside, didn't leave, but, for the time being, didn't use it because i had a few issues, i left peacefully and didnt make a scene.



You have told me many times that because of the structure of the LS (leaders etc) that you have "issues with the leadership of the LS"(comment made in LS chat) and then left the LS. You got pissed at me cause i didnt make you part of the leadership. You DID in fact, tell me that you didnt see why I didnt just RESTRUCTURE THE WHOLE LS TO MAKE YOU A LEADER. That you in fact, didnt want to be anyone's 2nd in command because you were better than them and shouldnt have to listen/follow anyone. (because you helped them out b4)

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the whole alliance wasn't pissed at us, just Ore, bpp, and crimsonshadow. because we didnt follow crimson's every order? I've talked to many of the ls members since then, and just about every one of them thinks im a good guy still except them three. Fizher amd tiah are still my best friends in the game, both in ore's ls, still friends with dak, mango, hin, heffe, mordey, concreteman, sgtkae, sleekmotorworkz, pharroh....the list goes on. I have no intentions of making enemies with anyone from altanastears nor making anyone in the game feel belittled by me in any way.


Most of the people in the LS havent said **** to you cause i told them to let it die. (Obviously, Crimson for one doesnt listen too well himself =P) I have no reason to "out of the blue" state what i have stated about you guys. I didnt just wake up one morning and decide that you guys said these things. What do i gain from it??? Absolutely nothing. You two on the other hand, try to come off like you are innocent in all things.

Not to mention the fact i didnt say **** to you guys. You two sent me /tells afterwards asking what was up cause i wasnt talking to anyone. YOU TWO asked if i was mad. I was honest with you both. I didnt talk **** behind your back. I told you two exactly what was on my mind, and how i felt about what you did. I tried to be polite but straight forward with you both. It is never easy for anyone to tell someone they ****** up and were acting like an ***. No matter how you put it, it still comes across harsh.

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You have no idea the hard times i've gone through, i know what a pain in the butt some of this stuff can be, i just like to make it as easy as possible for others...


Your right, i am the clueless whm that static'd with you when others were treating you like **** and refused to help you and/or pt with you. When people were saying behind your back what a piece of **** you were, I stood up for you. so **** you I dont know what "hard times" you went thru.

Running off in ANY situation when you are to be part of a team is NEVER to make it easier on the team.

* Edit~ I did try to generalize it as much as possible. I used you guys as examples w/o using names so that I wouldn't just be dragging peoples names thru the mud. I am sick of the whole additude. I had dropped this issue days ago, only to find it up near the top again. Even started a new thread of GOOD examples. (which lately i am VERY proud to say I feel the urge to add to)



Edited, Sun Nov 13 14:39:21 2005 by Orefise
#44 Nov 13 2005 at 2:43 PM Rating: Good
Orefise wrote:
(No one asked you to lead anything)


That's right, it was me running it^^

orefise wrote:
FYI, you were kicked by a vote of 8 people. People you claim are still your friends. The LS is set up so that not just one person has total control to kick/invite people.


Which is brilliant.

Orefise wrote:
That you in fact, didnt want to be anyone's 2nd in command because you were better than them and shouldnt have to listen/follow anyone.


Which is baffling. Cuz I am better than Sleek, yet I am still his b***h. I have no problem following orders^^

Orefise wrote:
(Obviously, Crimson for one doesnt listen too well himself =P)


Bah, someone dropped a quarter in them, they brought a dead thread up, so I put the lock down on them^^

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you I dont know what "hard times" you went thru.


Hard times = kicking on the street at swap meets, turning tricks to feed your newborn, those are hard times^^

Edited, Sun Nov 13 14:53:43 2005 by TrueCrimsonshadow
#45 Nov 13 2005 at 5:56 PM Rating: Good
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couple side notes....

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i hit 75 and i became an elitest? hell, i hate pld, i think i suck at it, i'm glad to get it over with and to move on to other jobs, which is why i didn't come as pld that night.


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the main reason i wanted to keep going with pld is so i could be high enough to help out anyone whenever needed. which is the only thing i use pld for anymore.


... don't these seem like opposites? You only use PLD to help out, yet you didnt use pld to help out? o.O

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Me and Shawchert started our own ls, one day when Shaw was in ore's ls, she came on and asked what's up, ore got on her case, and told her to go shout in jeuno for members for her own ls.....Shaw did nothing wrong to be treated like that


... If you are going to tell the story, make it a complete one. Shaw was shouting in Jeuno for members to join her LS... while she was in the LS (Altana's Tears) talking about how no one listens to her or helps her etc. THAT would tick anyone off. So i told her if she thought it was that bad, go back to Jeuno and shout for more members of the LS she was creating and stop whining.


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This was your first time, remember(your own words)

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ash dragon has never aggroed me


... w00t! gj ^^ the ONE TIME you went you didnt get aggro, forgot to mention that he wasn't up on that run, did ya?

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in fact NOONE made it clear to me that YOU were the leader, i actually thought Orefise was the leader,


... i call BS!!! we were all in Jeuno waiting to leave and I said several times that Crimson was going to lead us thru Ifrit's, your response was "OK ^^ I am all ears"


#46 Nov 14 2005 at 1:41 AM Rating: Default
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Orefise wrote:
you weren't gonna waste your time on taking a "whole alliance" thru there. (No one asked you to lead anything) Especially when you figured we would all wipe. "This way, if you do then Shaw is here to raise you.


ok, i never told you in /tell i wasnt going to waste my time getting a whole alliance through there, i have no idea where that came from....and i never figured we would all wipe...it's just that i've seen entire alliances wipe in there, and i didn't want that to happen to us, i appologize if i seemed like i felt we would all wipe but i didnt...

Draygorn wrote:
i did kinda just go meh, i know the way, no need for us to be a sneak/invis burdon...


why would i have to say it? i didn't think anyone would take offense to be honest. i'm sorry.

Orefise wrote:
you were kicked by a vote of 8 people. People you claim are still your friends. The LS is set up so that not just one person has total control to kick/invite people.


well, after i was kicked i talked to at least 2 council members, hin, dak, and i talked to a few other members such as fizher and tiah, don't remember who is/isnt council, but all of them claimed they never heard a thing about this or knew any reason why i was kicked.

Orefise wrote:
What I had said is that i was told you were doing this. I even asked you about it straight up. You denied it. the LS knew all of this prior to voting. You in fact, weren't kicked immediately after the vote. We pretty much gave you another chance. Next chance = ZM5 run. Guess you blew that one huh


doing what? you never asked me anything about my conduct or behavior or anything prior to the zm5 run, what did i deny? given another chance? i don't even know what my first offense was.

Orefise wrote:
I received many /tells that night from several people in LS that went on that run.. "When did Draygorn start acting like this?" "My, those two have changed a LOT" "Just when you think you know someone..."


I'm truly sorry if i did seem that bad that night, im really sorry i hadnt realized that what i was doing was so horrible. It wasn't my intention to seem like an *** or act like im too good for the alliance. and i did't mean to sound stuck up or anything, if i did i really want to appologize to anyone who thought this way, but one incident shouldnt be enough to accuse me of being an elitest >< i try my hardest to be as nice as i can as much as i can, and i'm really not like that. honest, just get to know me a little better before you make any judgements. i'm sorry.

Orefise wrote:
You have told me many times that because of the structure of the LS (leaders etc) that you have "issues with the leadership of the LS"(comment made in LS chat) and then left the LS. You got pissed at me cause i didnt make you part of the leadership. You DID in fact, tell me that you didnt see why I didnt just RESTRUCTURE THE WHOLE LS TO MAKE YOU A LEADER. That you in fact, didnt want to be anyone's 2nd in command because you were better than them and shouldnt have to listen/follow anyone. (because you helped them out b4)


I'm not calling you a liar Orefise, but i think you misunderstood, i did sorta have a problem with the structure of the ls yes, i didn't say i had issues with the leadership aside from one person, who ended up leaving the ls anyway...you know who. I never got pissed at you, i wasn't even angry in the least bit, emotions cant go along with just words, you didnt know the sound of my voice or my actions, i was never mad at you ore =(. and i didn't ask you to restructer the whole ls, i never asked you to do that at all, i did ask if i could be a leader since i was one in your previous ls, i felt i had done a good job as a leader, i didnt abuse my power or boss anyone around or act elite at all, even you know that. But i guess in doing so making me a leader would mean you'd have to restructer the ls yeah but i didnt think of it that way im sorry. also, i never once said i was better than anyone, or i shouldn't have to listen to anyone (because i helped them out before???) I have never once said i was better than anyone, or say i shouldn't have to listen to anyone, i really dont know why you think i said that but i know for a fact i did not and would not ever in a million years say anything remotely like that i promise. i'm sorry maybe you misread something i said, but i didn't mean it like that at all.

Oreifse wrote:
I have no reason to "out of the blue" state what i have stated about you guys. I didnt just wake up one morning and decide that you guys said these things. What do i gain from it??? Absolutely nothing. You two on the other hand, try to come off like you are innocent in all things.


Well, i don't think you just made it up, but i do think you may have misunderstood or read into something the wrong way. I didn't say we were completely innocent, but i think some of the stuff that has been said was taken way out of context and made us out to be huge ******** or something. I've appologized for a few things that, yes, i agree, could have been taken out of context easy, and i have promised that none of these things were meant in a harmful way of any kind. I don't know why you don't believe me.

Orefise wrote:
Not to mention the fact i didnt say sh*t to you guys. You two sent me /tells afterwards asking what was up cause i wasnt talking to anyone. YOU TWO asked if i was mad. I was honest with you both. I didnt talk sh*t behind your back. I told you two exactly what was on my mind, and how i felt about what you did. I tried to be polite but straight forward with you both. It is never easy for anyone to tell someone they @#%^ed up and were acting like an ***. No matter how you put it, it still comes across harsh.


We sent you tells because we didn't know what we had done. Cause none of the things we said we're meant in a harmful or rude way, i think that they were just taken the wrong way. misread, out of context, ionno, but i never meant any harm with w/e i said during that zm5 run and neither did shawchert. I appologize again if you thought we did.

Orefise wrote:
Your right, i am the clueless whm that static'd with you when others were treating you like sh*t and refused to help you and/or pt with you. When people were saying behind your back what a piece of sh*t you were, I stood up for you. so @#%^ you I dont know what "hard times" you went thru.


Orefise, i wasn't directing that statement to you, it was more directed towarsds everyone else, you of all people know best what i've gone through, we used to talk so much and I always appreciated your help. you always we're a friend and did stand up for me. and i know that, and i always tried to be the best of friend i could to you. But you told me that someone said i was talking **** about you and bpp behind your backs, i felt like you believed them, but in fact, i never did, i'm not the kind of person to talk about ppl behind their backs, i never did and never will. I don't know who was saying i was a piece of **** >< that's news to me. but ore, you really have no idea how much i've always appreciated the things you've done for me. I'm sorry if i seemed like i didn't care. when you came back after you quit i was excited to see you again, i sent you tells all the time, but you rarely talked to me anymore, you started an ls with mordey and noone told me about it, i joined before it died and you guys started altanastears without letting me even know, i had to find out through fizher. i felt left out, like you no longer wanted me as a friend, like you didn't want me in your ls or even want me talking to you. It felt bad =( I thought of you as one of my best friends. I had no idea why you werent until you told me you heard i was talking about you and bpp behind your backs, but i honestly never did ore...

Orefise wrote:
Running off in ANY situation when you are to be part of a team is NEVER to make it easier on the team.


you know you're completely right about that, and i'm sry, i didn't have any bad intentions, i just wasn't thinking, i'm sorry.

Orefise wrote:
... don't these seem like opposites? You only use PLD to help out, yet you didnt use pld to help out? o.O


I used WAR that day cause you already had tanks, i thought another dd would be more helpful than another tank, i use pld to help out when ppl need a tank. war when ppl need a dd.

Orefise wrote:
.. w00t! gj ^^ the ONE TIME you went you didnt get aggro, forgot to mention that he wasn't up on that run, did ya?


the one time? that wasn't my first time, i didn't say it was, I've been on at least 15 runs before that zm5 and 2 since then, and i've never gotten aggro from Ash Dragon and he's been up just about every other time i've gone.

Orefise wrote:
... i call BS!!! we were all in Jeuno waiting to leave and I said several times that Crimson was going to lead us thru Ifrit's, your response was "OK ^^ I am all ears"


pls stop blaming shaw for running ahead on zm5, all she was doing is following her bf, how can you blame anyone for wanting to stick by their bf's side? it was my fault i was the one who went ahead, don't blame her pls.

Edited, Mon Nov 14 01:59:53 2005 by DarkDraygon
#47 Nov 14 2005 at 10:09 AM Rating: Decent
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OK time to stop i think. Hell i know all four of you orefise , crimsonshadow , draygorn and shawchert. I wasn't in the ls at the time all this was going because i was taking a 6 week break because i had personal issues that i needed to deal with.
Now i've had no problems with any of you 4 people in my time in game and enjoyed your company.

I'll probably be told to butt out of the ARGUMENT.

I feel that this debate is starting to get a bit stupid now you all have different opionions on this event that occured. You can all keep posting comebacks from each others posts or you can sort this out with out needing to keep posting.

If you wanna sort it out then stop posting and talk to each other in game or the alternative is to just stop posting and leave each other alone.

This whole thread is just turning pointless you've all had your say and in my eyes you should just stop it all now.

#48 Nov 14 2005 at 10:21 AM Rating: Decent
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Quoting every line of every post makes baby jesus cry.
#49 Nov 14 2005 at 10:27 AM Rating: Good
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well, after i was kicked i talked to at least 2 council members


I'm thinking she was talking to Shaw. Make no mistake, you are basically in this situation because of her.

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you never asked me anything about my conduct or behavior or anything prior to the zm5 run, what did i deny? given another chance? i don't even know what my first offense was.



Again, has to be directed at Shaw. Cuz there was a few times that we, as a LS did stuff, but Shaw would not listen, and more importantly, wouldn't shut up and pay attention.

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the one time? that wasn't my first time,


Again, this is for your sweetie bear. It was her first time there. And given the fact that Ash wasnt up when we ran through, her saying she didnt catch aggro is not much of an achievement.

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pls stop blaming shaw for running ahead on zm5,


No. Typically, when something is someone's fault, you have a tendency to blame them.

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how can you blame anyone for wanting to stick by their bf's side?


Easy. She said she was staying with the group, then she trots off with you.

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it was my fault i was the one who went ahead, don't blame her pls.


Gal must have solid gold up in there for you be trying to put all of her faults on your shoulders. Congrats on being so chivalrous, liek I said, I hope the knob was polished many a time^^
#50 Nov 14 2005 at 10:46 AM Rating: Decent
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blah blah blah

crim please shut up cause i have, i am tired of you ******** me out ok.... unfortunately NO ONE KICKED ME!! i dropped the shell,

i don't care what you think, i know your rep and stupidity anyway, so kindly shut up, i told dray to calm down now i am telling you, this is an old thread

i said i was done talking but unfortunately my name was brought up and **** on, you keep you **** thoughts to ore and everyone else in the linkshell, i don't like listening to you i never have so get over it, besides everyone makes mistakes,

please just let this damn thread drop!!!!

Edited, Mon Nov 14 11:04:01 2005 by shawchert
#51 Nov 14 2005 at 11:04 AM Rating: Decent
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