Orefise wrote:
you weren't gonna waste your time on taking a "whole alliance" thru there. (No one asked you to lead anything) Especially when you figured we would all wipe. "This way, if you do then Shaw is here to raise you.
ok, i never told you in /tell i wasnt going to waste my time getting a whole alliance through there, i have no idea where that came from....and i never figured we would all wipe...it's just that i've seen entire alliances wipe in there, and i didn't want that to happen to us, i appologize if i seemed like i felt we would all wipe but i didnt...
Draygorn wrote:
i did kinda just go meh, i know the way, no need for us to be a sneak/invis burdon...
why would i have to say it? i didn't think anyone would take offense to be honest. i'm sorry.
Orefise wrote:
you were kicked by a vote of 8 people. People you claim are still your friends. The LS is set up so that not just one person has total control to kick/invite people.
well, after i was kicked i talked to at least 2 council members, hin, dak, and i talked to a few other members such as fizher and tiah, don't remember who is/isnt council, but all of them claimed they never heard a thing about this or knew any reason why i was kicked.
Orefise wrote:
What I had said is that i was told you were doing this. I even asked you about it straight up. You denied it. the LS knew all of this prior to voting. You in fact, weren't kicked immediately after the vote. We pretty much gave you another chance. Next chance = ZM5 run. Guess you blew that one huh
doing what? you never asked me anything about my conduct or behavior or anything prior to the zm5 run, what did i deny? given another chance? i don't even know what my first offense was.
Orefise wrote:
I received many /tells that night from several people in LS that went on that run.. "When did Draygorn start acting like this?" "My, those two have changed a LOT" "Just when you think you know someone..."
I'm truly sorry if i did seem that bad that night, im really sorry i hadnt realized that what i was doing was so horrible. It wasn't my intention to seem like an *** or act like im too good for the alliance. and i did't mean to sound stuck up or anything, if i did i really want to appologize to anyone who thought this way, but one incident shouldnt be enough to accuse me of being an elitest >< i try my hardest to be as nice as i can as much as i can, and i'm really not like that. honest, just get to know me a little better before you make any judgements. i'm sorry.
Orefise wrote:
You have told me many times that because of the structure of the LS (leaders etc) that you have "issues with the leadership of the LS"(comment made in LS chat) and then left the LS. You got pissed at me cause i didnt make you part of the leadership. You DID in fact, tell me that you didnt see why I didnt just RESTRUCTURE THE WHOLE LS TO MAKE YOU A LEADER. That you in fact, didnt want to be anyone's 2nd in command because you were better than them and shouldnt have to listen/follow anyone. (because you helped them out b4)
I'm not calling you a liar Orefise, but i think you misunderstood, i did sorta have a problem with the structure of the ls yes, i didn't say i had issues with the leadership aside from one person, who ended up leaving the ls anyway...you know who. I never got pissed at you, i wasn't even angry in the least bit, emotions cant go along with just words, you didnt know the sound of my voice or my actions, i was never mad at you ore =(. and i didn't ask you to restructer the whole ls, i never asked you to do that at all, i did ask if i could be a leader since i was one in your previous ls, i felt i had done a good job as a leader, i didnt abuse my power or boss anyone around or act elite at all, even you know that. But i guess in doing so making me a leader would mean you'd have to restructer the ls yeah but i didnt think of it that way im sorry. also, i never once said i was better than anyone, or i shouldn't have to listen to anyone (because i helped them out before???) I have never once said i was better than anyone, or say i shouldn't have to listen to anyone, i really dont know why you think i said that but i know for a fact i did not and would not ever in a million years say anything remotely like that i promise. i'm sorry maybe you misread something i said, but i didn't mean it like that at all.
Oreifse wrote:
I have no reason to "out of the blue" state what i have stated about you guys. I didnt just wake up one morning and decide that you guys said these things. What do i gain from it??? Absolutely nothing. You two on the other hand, try to come off like you are innocent in all things.
Well, i don't think you just made it up, but i do think you may have misunderstood or read into something the wrong way. I didn't say we were completely innocent, but i think some of the stuff that has been said was taken way out of context and made us out to be huge ******** or something. I've appologized for a few things that, yes, i agree, could have been taken out of context easy, and i have promised that none of these things were meant in a harmful way of any kind. I don't know why you don't believe me.
Orefise wrote:
Not to mention the fact i didnt say sh*t to you guys. You two sent me /tells afterwards asking what was up cause i wasnt talking to anyone. YOU TWO asked if i was mad. I was honest with you both. I didnt talk sh*t behind your back. I told you two exactly what was on my mind, and how i felt about what you did. I tried to be polite but straight forward with you both. It is never easy for anyone to tell someone they @#%^ed up and were acting like an ***. No matter how you put it, it still comes across harsh.
We sent you tells because we didn't know what we had done. Cause none of the things we said we're meant in a harmful or rude way, i think that they were just taken the wrong way. misread, out of context, ionno, but i never meant any harm with w/e i said during that zm5 run and neither did shawchert. I appologize again if you thought we did.
Orefise wrote:
Your right, i am the clueless whm that static'd with you when others were treating you like sh*t and refused to help you and/or pt with you. When people were saying behind your back what a piece of sh*t you were, I stood up for you. so @#%^ you I dont know what "hard times" you went thru.
Orefise, i wasn't directing that statement to you, it was more directed towarsds everyone else, you of all people know best what i've gone through, we used to talk so much and I always appreciated your help. you always we're a friend and did stand up for me. and i know that, and i always tried to be the best of friend i could to you. But you told me that someone said i was talking **** about you and bpp behind your backs, i felt like you believed them, but in fact, i never did, i'm not the kind of person to talk about ppl behind their backs, i never did and never will. I don't know who was saying i was a piece of **** >< that's news to me. but ore, you really have no idea how much i've always appreciated the things you've done for me. I'm sorry if i seemed like i didn't care. when you came back after you quit i was excited to see you again, i sent you tells all the time, but you rarely talked to me anymore, you started an ls with mordey and noone told me about it, i joined before it died and you guys started altanastears without letting me even know, i had to find out through fizher. i felt left out, like you no longer wanted me as a friend, like you didn't want me in your ls or even want me talking to you. It felt bad =( I thought of you as one of my best friends. I had no idea why you werent until you told me you heard i was talking about you and bpp behind your backs, but i honestly never did ore...
Orefise wrote:
Running off in ANY situation when you are to be part of a team is NEVER to make it easier on the team.
you know you're completely right about that, and i'm sry, i didn't have any bad intentions, i just wasn't thinking, i'm sorry.
Orefise wrote:
... don't these seem like opposites? You only use PLD to help out, yet you didnt use pld to help out? o.O
I used WAR that day cause you already had tanks, i thought another dd would be more helpful than another tank, i use pld to help out when ppl need a tank. war when ppl need a dd.
Orefise wrote:
.. w00t! gj ^^ the ONE TIME you went you didnt get aggro, forgot to mention that he wasn't up on that run, did ya?
the one time? that wasn't my first time, i didn't say it was, I've been on at least 15 runs before that zm5 and 2 since then, and i've never gotten aggro from Ash Dragon and he's been up just about every other time i've gone.
Orefise wrote:
... i call BS!!! we were all in Jeuno waiting to leave and I said several times that Crimson was going to lead us thru Ifrit's, your response was "OK ^^ I am all ears"
pls stop blaming shaw for running ahead on zm5, all she was doing is following her bf, how can you blame anyone for wanting to stick by their bf's side? it was my fault i was the one who went ahead, don't blame her pls.
Edited, Mon Nov 14 01:59:53 2005 by DarkDraygon