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#1 Oct 23 2004 at 8:40 AM Rating: Good
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I know this has been mass posted on the tradeskill forums but i wanted to address my own server's people. The gil sellers are taking a hurt on our AHs whether you want to believe it or not. Most want to argue that the gil sellers are not the reason for undercutting, but check the AH and you will see that all of the PJ's and Rose's stuff sells first because they undercut. It was argued that they aren't the culprits because their job is to make gil, but if they are getting paid by the hour and not by the gil they make, then they aren't going to care how much they receive. They also get mad when you hit a mining point they are camping, but don't mind to help themselves to one you've stumbled upon. Thanks for listening to my rant, they killed my mining profits and its really aggravating.
#2 Oct 28 2004 at 1:37 PM Rating: Decent
I used to be able to go Logging and be the only person their doing it. Now every time I go I see the same five to ten pc every time. Any day of the week any time of the day or night. Please!!! Elm is a rare drop. Used to only be one or two for sale at the AH. Checked yesterday there was 49. WTF. There was only 3 ash logs. Ash is a common drop. This is how gil farmers F--- thing up. Used to s--t a brick if I got one elm log before my items filled up. Now I'm luckly to fill my Items 5 hours of Logging. I never throw anything away, I don't think its right. But Gil Farmers must drop everything that isn't rare. I could go logging one hour and have enough for crafting and to sell at the AH for a week.
Lets start a gil farmer list . I can contribute to the list. That way, we can shaft them anyway we can. Jump their camp etc. We can plan "***** the gill farmer events" Like get enough people to camp all the logging and mining spots in a zone and kill their profi for a day. ***** THEM ALL!!!
#3 Oct 28 2004 at 1:37 PM Rating: Decent
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Yes, it does suck. *shakes angry fist at all the PJ family* mining is also my income in the game and these guys have been selling darksteel ores in bastok at 4200 each!!! >< they stand in front of the AH with their bazaar full of cheap ores and then my stuff doesn't sell on the AH. AGHHHHH >< I hate them!!
#4 Oct 28 2004 at 3:03 PM Rating: Good
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Same problem here calispark... and to whoever decided to rate down at least be man enough to explain why you rate down.
#5 Oct 28 2004 at 8:09 PM Rating: Decent
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From all accounts that have been put forth so far (whether factual or not), the "chinese sweatshop gil farmers" have quotas of currency to earn per shift in order to guarantee job security.


I am pretty sure that nobody is going to pay their gil farmers by the hour. What incentive would there be for them to crank out the product?


That said, by far the most "hurtful" element for average players is not the undercutting of staple items, but the inflated prices set by those farmers who have attempted to monopolize rare, but highly sought after, drops.


Aneue (or however his name is spelled) is a prime example of one of the most notorious Stoper Chyme campers on Lakshmi.

I recall once looking at Archer's Ring price history in Jeuno and seeing his name as the seller for every ring but one in the list.


Items such as this, and the upgraded version, the Sniper's Ring, used to be sold for a fraction of what they now cost, despite being in even shorter supply because they were not being religiously camped for commercial profit.


For all the minor thousands we lose because stacks of crystals and clothcraft materials get undercut, we suffer much more as necessary items get jacked up by hundreds of thousands.


The real "enemy", if you will, are not the ones who undercut, but those who price gouge.







Edited, Fri Oct 29 04:09:24 2004 by Tenmiles
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    #6 Oct 29 2004 at 2:52 AM Rating: Decent
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    i think the best solution to the problem is for everyone to go out and get their own materials for a while and give the ah a break ^^ wont it be hilarious when the whipmaster is patroling the screens and sees that all 7 of the items on the sellers screens suddenly turns red from not being sold and *WHAP*...maybe they will go back to makin bobbleheads ^^....


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    #7 Oct 29 2004 at 8:37 AM Rating: Decent
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    Actually the biggest enemy here are the players that keep these gil sellers employed.

    If you think of the millions of gil that are farmed each day, someone is buying it.

    Don't buy Gil!
    #8 Oct 29 2004 at 10:04 AM Rating: Decent
    It would be next to impossible to get people to stop buying gil altogether. The reason people are buying gil is because prices are so inflated. Come on, 5 million for strider boots? 20+ million for a scorpion harness +1? Who is setting these prices?
    There are 3 ways you can cut down on gilfarming/gilselling

    1) Stop buying these items for these ridiculous prices.
    2) SE, being aware of the situation, needs to increase the amount of gil in the game so that it doesn't become as big of an issue.
    3) If you are lucky enough to get the drop from NMs that give good items then sell it for a fraction of the AH price in your bazaar or something. This won't work unless people stop buying them from the AH though.

    If you stop to think for a moment, the reason people are selling gil are doing so because of price gouging. People looked to close the gap between what they could farm and what the items were costing so they bought gil. Gilsellers started to keep prices high because people were buying gil anyway.
    So rather than stop buying gil, people really need to stop paying so much for items. It's just not worth it.
    #9 Nov 03 2004 at 4:54 PM Rating: Decent
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    Things to do -

    1.Stop buying gil!

    2.Boycott gilfarmer products - this is a little harder to do, simplest way is to persuade everyone not to buy the items they overprice until they're forced to bring the prices down however this requires time (as you won't be able to get "necessary" items during it's boycott) and for a large proportion of the players to do it. The other option would be the setting up of an alternate market which gilsellers cannot access and only buying from that but this also has problems as gilfarmers cannot be excluded from the ah nor bazaars, people who see high ah prices will want to get their monies worth from their sellables and there would still be a low supply if the farmers have a monopoly on the item (not to mention, they could try to buy items at the lower alternate prices and resell on ah)

    3.Out farm the gilfarmers - nearly impossible really, there's a thousand sources of gil and we cna't hope to bottle up every one of them. At most we'd be able to take their monopolies of certain items (think archer's rings) but even then parties of bots or whatever still have their possibilities to outfarm us.

    The simplest strategy I can think of (and the only really practical one) is just for people not to buy gil, but we can't actually control everyone .-.
    #10 Nov 03 2004 at 4:59 PM Rating: Decent
    ~,.,~ go look what theese ******* gil sellers did to Ochidus Kote
    look at the Price history it went up like 300k that ****** Harbinger is making me make like 400k more cause he bought it for a stupid price...SE needs to do somthing about this! {/slap}
    Harbinger >.<


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    #11 Nov 04 2004 at 10:52 AM Rating: Decent
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    I posted it on the main forum, but anyway:

    ffxi.allakhazam.com/forum.html?forum=10&mid=109948386231695904&num=33

    I do tend to agree with Tenmiles though, the mining stuff is chump change compared to what's been happening with rare/valuable items.

    And the real kicker is, no matter how much we say about it, we as players are next to powerless to do anything about it as long as people keep buying gil, which will pretty much always happen, I'm not optimistic enough to think everyone can be converted. Until SE decides to do something about it, we're probably just going to have to grin and bear it, because I don't see any plausible way to beat their operations.

    Anything that can be done is probably a just drop in the ocean, and it's not easy for us to achieve even that.
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