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#1 Sep 28 2004 at 7:59 PM Rating: Default
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Please read before you karma nuke me. Ok, it's bad enough that Moat Carp, my source of income until now, has been gimped to hell...now people are undercutting the prices on the auction house? Undercut equipment, I don't really mind too much. When you start undercutting prices on things that have had the same damn price for a year, it ticks people off.

I have about 30 stacks of Moat Carp I'm trying to sell and I can't because people have been lowering the price for the past week! The price has fell as low as 3,000 gil! C'mon, you can't wait that extra day for freaking 4,000 gil? You just HAVE to have it sold right away? Please stop it!

/end rant.
#2 Sep 28 2004 at 8:39 PM Rating: Decent
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Juubie !! aaww.... /comfort

by the way, RRA is back up... we now have only a few original members back in :

Stayhigh, Darkelite, Seron, Pesmerga(now Valkyrea), Gwenni, Brolly, me and a few other I can't rememebr ...

Bardock is still waiting for his PC to get replaced... god knows how long thats taking ... argh

let any of us know if you want a pearl!!
#3 Sep 28 2004 at 8:58 PM Rating: Decent
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Well I'd like to bring ChopSuey to RRA but I dropped my Linksack to RRA. I need to talk to Bardock.
#4 Sep 28 2004 at 8:59 PM Rating: Decent
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Wow, I really did say Linksack. Go me! I meant Pearlsack.
#5 Sep 28 2004 at 9:20 PM Rating: Decent
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BTW the price of moats in Sandy is still 4k ^^ People will always need Moats.

In about 30 mins the Windy AH price went from 3k to 4k and from 125 stacks to about 25.

These undercutters slow down selling by about 1 hour or 10 hours depending on when someone has moat carp cravings.
#6 Sep 28 2004 at 9:21 PM Rating: Decent
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Yeah, we should merge!! Talk to Brolly or Pesmerga (Valkyrea). They have access to Bardock's account. Especially Brolly, as he is always hunting VE using Bardock.

And uumm... get yourself a pearl first, ask Stayhigh, he has a sack and is always on!! hehe. I'm at work at the moment, will try and look for you when I log on later if you havent already got a pearl.
#7 Sep 28 2004 at 9:21 PM Rating: Good
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Actually... not going to flame.. but I remember the days where it used to be 3k by default, and it was a lucky day if it hit 4k. Yes you used to dread it when it went 2500.

There's other fish out there ^^ that you can make more money of easier. I really have to take my BLM back out to my old hole and start getting 15-20,000G stacks. I left moat carps ages ago because it was just useless trying to compete.

Edited, Tue Sep 28 22:23:20 2004 by Argonaut
#8 Sep 29 2004 at 6:40 AM Rating: Decent
Hey Juubie! :) Sorry to hear about your Carp issue. I agree it can be frustrating at times. However, (question for you AH experts) what's worse Undercutting or Overpricing? There's plenty of times where I go to the AH and see something I want and it has been bid up 150% of where it was the day or week before. Overpricing is great when you are selling. Sucks when you are buying and just the opposite with Undercutting. If I was going after the Lu Shangs rod I be "Yes! Carps have dropped in price!"

The market seems to go both ways from time to time. I don't know about Moat Carp cause I don't fish but if the people started bidding up the price to 5k/stack people would come in and complain too. Of course then more people would go fishing to get in on the action and some easy money for a while. Then the price would go back down. The AH isn't a NPC vendor where the price is static aside from your fame bonus.

People are always trying to manipulate the market. Check out Bone Arrows in Windy. They sell at about 495 from the vendor in Port Windy. The regularly go from 600-1000 on the AH. Why? I dunno. I guess people don't know they can buy them from a NPC and people overprice them to take advantage of that (or you could say add a convienance fee! LOL) For about two weeks, I used to post a bunch up there just so the the market manipulator who was posting like 40 at a 1000 would buy my 7 out at a 1000 and and I could dbl my money in a short time. Then the market crashed annd low level rangers rejoiced! :)
#9 Sep 29 2004 at 9:39 AM Rating: Decent
Be happy they were once 1500 gil ( and 300 stacks on auction)
#10 Sep 29 2004 at 11:35 AM Rating: Decent
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Maybe has something to do witht he rusty cap 'nerf'

All those fish bots had to move onto something else..

Just a thought, not sure how accurate it may be
#11 Sep 29 2004 at 12:04 PM Rating: Good
/Sigh...

I don't understand when people get pissed off at AH prices. It's an economy that works very similar to real life. Supply and demand. If you can make more for selling an item at a higher price, you will. If everyone and their dog is selling an item, prices will go down. AH prices are suppose to change. Most people don't have only one way to make money. Have a bunch and roll with the punches. Farm, craft, fish what is needed at the AH, and make the people pay. Making money on this game isn't suppose to be easy, and there isn't suppose to be one best way to make money. You need to be creative and be ready to adapt to the changes in the economy.

Edited, Wed Sep 29 13:04:52 2004 by VawnLakshimi
#12 Sep 30 2004 at 9:02 AM Rating: Default
VawnLakshimi wrote:
/Sigh...

I don't understand when people get pissed off at AH prices. It's an economy that works very similar to real life.


not quite... ffxi has an unlimited source of everything... the world is quite limited...

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Supply and demand. If you can make more for selling an item at a higher price, you will. If everyone and their dog is selling an item, prices will go down.


this isn't always true...
three days ago i put a mages tunic up in Jeuno... going price was 50k-55k (i put mine up for 55k), the next day i pop on 2 sales 45k, hmmm maybe i should be a little more honest, drop mine to 50k... the following day another 2 for 40k... were talking about a drop of 15k in 2.5 days... thats terrible... 20% drop in 2.5 days...

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You need to be creative and be ready to adapt to the changes in the economy.


i'll take stable over creative any day...

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i understand where everyone is coming from... there is nothing that can be done about the changes in ah pricing, why because there are hundred/thousands of people who are trying to buy and sell...

but come on please, people... i know you want to sell your item oh so quickly so you can make your next purchase... but to undercut a 50k item by 10k... thats like selling fire crystals for 500g...

wait the extra time and keep it within reason...

thanks...

edit: for stupidness

Edited, Thu Sep 30 10:07:29 2004 by DrkrImg
#13 Sep 30 2004 at 12:18 PM Rating: Decent
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I like the volitility of the economy. I use it. I make money from it. If you wait long enough normally your mage tunic will go back up in price. If it doesn't then it was the risk we took when we bought.

I just got hammered with the Seer's Mitts +1.....new item...I HAD to have. I also knew the risk but I did not want to wait. Paid 65k and now the going rate is 45-50. I will probably loose my a** on this one but I will have made it up on the regular Seer's mitts that I buy in Jeuno for 4k and sell for 10k in the other reigns (or was before I posted this lol).

It all works. Just need to keep your eyes open for opportunities.
#14 Sep 30 2004 at 5:45 PM Rating: Decent
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I had to have Falx even though it was 10 lvls below me.
No real loss though; got it for 30k, sold it for 28k.

What is annoying is that for some reason ever since the expansion all my equipment has been going down. Savage Seperates, Greatsword+1 (almost halved in price), etc. Very annoying when you're trying to buy a Valkyrie's Mask, I can tell you. >.>
#15 Oct 01 2004 at 8:41 AM Rating: Good
This post is in response to DrkImg Scholar.

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/Sigh...

I don't understand when people get pissed off at AH prices. It's an economy that works very similar to real life.
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not quite... ffxi has an unlimited source of everything... the world is quite limited...


Is it? Many products and services we buy cost because of the service. Take computer chips for example. They are made out of mostly silicon which is an ingredient in common sand, which we have an abudance of. Often with products you are paying for the work people went into making the item, NOT the cost of materials. For another example consider video games. The cost of the CD or DVD (1-5 dollars) is not what you are paying for. The fact that there technically isn't an infinite amount of materials for making CDs doesn't matter because the makers aren't even going to come close to use all the earth's resources to produce the CDs. (If you think about it you can come up with hundreds of more examples like this).

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Supply and demand. If you can make more for selling an item at a higher price, you will. If everyone and their dog is selling an item, prices will go down.
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this isn't always true...
three days ago i put a mages tunic up in Jeuno... going price was 50k-55k (i put mine up for 55k), the next day i pop on 2 sales 45k, hmmm maybe i should be a little more honest, drop mine to 50k... the following day another 2 for 40k... were talking about a drop of 15k in 2.5 days... thats terrible... 20% drop in 2.5 days...



Wait. Is this suppose to contradict what I just said? Sounds more like you are supporting my statement. If anything all you are telling us is that FFXI game prices can fluctuate more quickly that what is normal in real life.

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You need to be creative and be ready to adapt to the changes in the economy.
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i'll take stable over creative any day...


You do that. But next time your money making scheme doesn't work because of changes in the economy don't start a thread complaining about it. The point of my post was that you CAN'T do the same thing over and over and expect to reaped the same rewards everytime. That's the point of an online economy. Don't just make statements like "I want to do this and only this, so please don't ever change the prices I set." If its a good way of making money, more people will do it. When more people do it, prices will go down. Equilibrim. Also, there are people that will grossly undersell items on purpose. They just want to make their way of making money not seem as attractive in an attempt to drive away competition. This happens in the real world too. However, this is illegal in the United States (when big companies lower prices at a loss just long enough to put other companies out of business).

#16 Oct 02 2004 at 4:29 PM Rating: Default
Here is the thing about undercutting: on that item someone is helped, and someone is hurt but all around everyone gets hurt on undercutting.
#17 Oct 03 2004 at 8:14 PM Rating: Decent
Yea I know what you mean Juubie it sucks. My one secret way of making some good gil is now gone because of this. Oh well, and no I won't say what it is because who knows, it might work out for me again^^. Glad to see Chop Suey and RRA are merged. Good to see some of you old members every now and then. Take care guys.
-Zynk
#18 Oct 04 2004 at 11:02 AM Rating: Decent
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not quite... ffxi has an unlimited source of everything... the world is quite limited...

---Vawn---
Is it? --- They are made out of mostly silicon which is an ingredient in common sand, which we have an abudance of. Often with products you are paying for the work people went into making the item, NOT the cost of materials.


yes actually the world is quite limited in supply... do you think because we have unlimited sand that we are going to be able to eat and sustain ourselves for life on that?
and as for oil and gas... do you think those are never ending supplies...

they change their price based on many different "REAL" factors..
ffxi is base on the fact that their are <3> cloaks or <45> cloaks in the auction house


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(If you think about it you can come up with hundreds of more examples like this).



go right ahead... try and stay out of the cpu market if you like...

maybe food... yah we have unlimited amounts of food... (nope)
maybe land... yah we have unlimited supplies of land... (nope)

and if you know where i can find those, please let me know, there are some third-world countries that could use them...

but computers... yes that we will luckily have enough of... so when we run out of food and land, atleast we can still be playing ffxi

and you think that ffxi is going to stop making astral rings? that all of a sudden, there are no more for sale?


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Supply and demand. If you can make more for selling an item at a higher price, you will. If everyone and their dog is selling an item, prices will go down.

---drkr img---
this isn't always true...
three days ago i put a mages tunic up in Jeuno... going price was 50k-55k (i put mine up for 55k), the next day i pop on 2 sales 45k, hmmm maybe i should be a little more honest, drop mine to 50k... the following day another 2 for 40k... were talking about a drop of 15k in 2.5 days... thats terrible... 20% drop in 2.5 days...

---vaun---
Wait. Is this suppose to contradict what I just said? Sounds more like you are supporting my statement. If anything all you are telling us is that FFXI game prices can fluctuate more quickly that what is normal in real life.



if you would like me to continue to respond to your posts please make sure you read what i write and do not assume...

where have i supported your statment? your statment was "if more are up then, they sell for less" that is a SUPER statment... i can see why your a scholar... the point that i was getting at... people want to buy ****, so they sell their stuff at a terrible price... nowhere in my statment does it say anything about 1 or 10 being up on the AH...


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i'll take stable over creative any day...

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You do that. But next time your money making scheme doesn't work because of changes in the economy don't start a thread complaining about it. The point of my post was that you CAN'T do the same thing over and over and expect to reaped the same rewards everytime. That's the point of an online economy. Don't just make statements like "I want to do this and only this, so please don't ever change the prices I set." If its a good way of making money, more people will do it. When more people do it, prices will go down. Equilibrim. Also, there are people that will grossly undersell items on purpose. They just want to make their way of making money not seem as attractive in an attempt to drive away competition. This happens in the real world too. However, this is illegal in the United States (when big companies lower prices at a loss just long enough to put other companies out of business).


1. i would do that if i could...
2. i don't ***** and complain when my money making schemes go a stray... i was comforting another poor soul with a story of how stupid online people really are! (i'll get flamed for that one!)
3.a) god almighty... listen man... smarten up
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Don't just make statements like "I want to do this and only this, so please don't ever change the prices I set."

3.b) you my friend are an IDIOT go back and show me where i said that... i have no problem with fluctations in a market...

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They just want to make their way of making money not seem as attractive in an attempt to drive away competition. when big companies lower prices at a loss just long enough to put other companies out of business


wow... you actually came out with something that was so close to makeing sense and being accurate...

the whole problem is... i'm looking at this argument from MY pov, which is based on the MAGES ROBE... to drop 20k in two days is stupid... plain and simple... there is no reason for an item to drop almost 50%... especially one that is not as common as fire crystals...

you want to argue the change in crystals or bee chips or some other small item thats fine... i expect those to change...

but for those selling astral rings... what if tomorrow instead of 220k they were selling for 100k... you think there might be an uprise...

Edited, Mon Oct 4 12:08:38 2004 by DrkrImg
#19 Oct 04 2004 at 11:24 AM Rating: Good
Ok first of all, calm down. Second of all, I don't know how my name changed from Vawn to Vaun about halfway through your rant. Third, I don't think you understand my point at all.

This "limited" supply argument is ignorant. I understand what you are trying to say, but you are missing my point entirely.

For many products you buy, the fact that their is a limited supply to make the products is completly irrelivent. Yes there is a limited supply of sand. BUT... if all of the sudden there was twice as much sand, cost of computer hardware and software would not drop. Not one penny. Why? Because we have more than enough sand to make 100 times the products we already have, without hurting our sand supply at all. This is the reason why, for all intended purposes, we can say we have an "infinite" amount. We are not paying for the sand, we are paying for the research, labor, work, and ideas. In FFXI, we are paying for the same things when we buy from the AH.

Oh and finally. Don't let things like this get you so riled up. I can imagine the steam coming out of your ears while you tried to let me know how dumb my post was.

PS: I would love to hear some other's ideas on this subject. And I hope it doesn't have to be a flame war. I just happen to think the online economy is one of the things that make MMORPGs challenging and fun.

Edited, Mon Oct 4 12:25:43 2004 by VawnLakshimi
#20 Oct 05 2004 at 9:21 AM Rating: Decent
VawnLakshimi wrote:
I don't know how my name changed from Vawn to Vaun about halfway through your rant.


my fault on the name thing...

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This "limited" supply argument is ignorant. I understand what you are trying to say, but you are missing my point entirely.

For many products you buy, the fact that their is a limited supply to make the products is completly irrelivent. Yes there is a limited supply of sand. BUT... if all of the sudden there was twice as much sand, cost of computer hardware and software would not drop. Not one penny. Why? Because we have more than enough sand to make 100 times the products we already have, without hurting our sand supply at all. This is the reason why, for all intended purposes, we can say we have an "infinite" amount. We are not paying for the sand, we are paying for the research, labor, work, and ideas. In FFXI, we are paying for the same things when we buy from the AH.


ummm.. once again, with me staying calm as you put it, we are talking about fluctuations in pricing at the ah... when you have an unlimited supply of mob's followed by an unlimited supply of items...

it means people set prices based on how many are up at the ah... eg <1> item = jack price <20> items = lower price...
these people don't think "hmmm... well leaping lizzie took me 20 minutes to find, then another 10 mins to kill, then i had to run around like an idiot for another 15 mins"

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Oh and finally. Don't let things like this get you so riled up. I can imagine the steam coming out of your ears while you tried to let me know how dumb my post was.


its no probem helping others to learn that they are not always as smart as they think they are is all apart of my job! =)

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PS: I would love to hear some other's ideas on this subject. And I hope it doesn't have to be a flame war. I just happen to think the online economy is one of the things that make MMORPGs challenging and fun.


i would like to think that there is absolutly nothing we can do... with the euro release you are going to see more and more fluctuations...

if people would think more about the community and less about themselves we would see more of a stable economy...
#21 Oct 05 2004 at 2:10 PM Rating: Good
You guys will throw stones at me for this, but I undercut sometimes.
This is why:

1) I want the stuff I farm to sell faster, and I don't mind taking a few gil hit for it.
2) Regardless of what you guys think, NO ITEM should be worth more than 100k gil(200k gil max). +3 AGI/DEX (an Emperor's Hairpin) can just be attained just as easily with other gear for a lot cheaper. This, I know, is arguable, but you'll not be able to convince me to shell out a few million for some gear; especially if there are 20+ of this item in stock.
3) By undercutting, it counteracts the need for people to have to buy gil over the net because prices are lower.
4) People will have to find new and creative ways to make gil. This will force people to, God forbid, explore the game a little more (ack! not that!!!)
5) Items can now be accessible from the casual to the hard core player. No more of this "leet" nonsense.
Now if people want to complain about the prices messing them up remember these three things:

1) Find something new to farm
2) Farm more of what you're selling and sell more of it
3) NO ONE wants to pay the maximum price for an item. Those who complain about prices are often guilty of trying to get good deals on materials/equipment.

I know it can be frustrating. I bought two +1 Beetle Rings 4 months ago for 9.5K gil each. Now they are selling for 2k gil. Guess what I did? I sold them for 2k gil each. Big stinkin deal. The stack of silk thread that sold for 13k gil is now selling for 9k gil.
Just to prove my point, some time this month, I am going to put some leaping boots on sale for 15k at one of the auction houses. If one of you bids that much, and you're on here whining about undercutting, then you're a freakin hypocrite because you know for a fact you wouldn't be complaining about the good deal you got on it.
You used your item and got your money's worth. Stop whining. FARM SOMETHING ELSE!

Rate me up, rate me down....I said my piece. But if you don't want to buy my stuff for 500-1000 gil cheaper, then go ahead and pay full price. Either way, I win.
#22 Oct 06 2004 at 10:18 AM Rating: Good
Abzalom good comments.

As for DrkImg, I give up on this guy. He just doesn't make any sense (but he keeps giving long posts that make no sense).

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it means people set prices based on how many are up at the ah... eg <1> item = jack price <20> items = lower price...
these people don't think "hmmm... well leaping lizzie took me 20 minutes to find, then another 10 mins to kill, then i had to run around like an idiot for another 15 mins"


Ok? There is a point in there somewhere. But if everyone could get this NM every 20 minutes, I am sure the price would drop. (And on a side note, what are you killing this lizard with that takes 10 minutes -- a toothbrush?). But until then people will sell it for what's its worth. Once again, supply and demand.

He also gave us this gem

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if people would think more about the community and less about themselves we would see more of a stable economy...


This comment right here pretty much tells us this yahoo knows nothing about economics. It's the exact same in the real world. Would you sell your car for $2500 less than what you know you could get for it in an attempt to stabalize the economy? Maybe a few (very few) people would, but in general people look out for themselves. You've stated you want to have one "stable" way of making money and that people who are undercutting, etc, ruin it for you. When I suggest having different ways to make money and to learn how to use the economy in your favor you let me know how ignorant that idea is.

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its no probem helping others to learn that they are not always as smart as they think they are is all apart of my job! =)


Really? Who hired you?

I have no doubt, I won't get the last word on this. So please go ahead, quote me on everything, give me your insight one last time on how this all works and how it is nothing like a real-world economy, and lets be done with it.
#23 Oct 06 2004 at 11:53 AM Rating: Decent
Let me just expand on one thing here....

Certain items simply should not cost that much.
In the game I am having to spend several hours, if not days, trying to get enough Norg fame to get a stinking level 12 Ninjustsu scroll called Utsusmi. Apparently NO ONE allows a Ninja into his party unless he tanks and uses Utsusemi. So what happens? We all put up the scroll on the AH for 250k gil. This means that someone who is the casual player has NO chance is ever playing a Ninja unless he dedicates a few solid weeks in building enough fame to get the scroll.
This is just one example.
NO ITEM should be out of reach of the casual player. We work, we have families, and we do other things. We do not have the (mis)fortune of living our parents' basements.
I will gladly pay a fair price for an item, but when I am done with it, I don't mind selling it at a nice discount to help someone out.
If anything, you should be THANKING me for giving you a good discount. You guys simply amaze me....really...I NEVER have heard anyone complain because I am giving someone 25%-30% off.
I'll tell you what....
In addition to selling some leaping boots for 15k, all you guys who hate undercutting, send me a /tell Tzipporah. I will put you on a list, and everything I sell, I will give to you at a 30% extra. This way you can't accuse me of ruining the economy of the game.
Sound fair? Either way....guess who wins? I do ^.^


#24 Oct 06 2004 at 12:04 PM Rating: Decent
OK...one more thing....

Here are my prices for things I sell:

Fire Crystals (stack) 1.8k gil <=== 1k cheaper than AH!
Wind Crystals (stack) 1.2k gil
Beastmen Blood (stack) 10k gil <=== 3k cheaper than AH!
Dhalmel Meat (stack) 400 gil <=== 1/2 price!
Honey (stack) 1.5k gil <=== 500 cheaper than AH!
Tree Cuttings (stack) 40k gil <=== 10k cheaper than AH!

If you don't like my prices, feel free to pay full price (or more if you like). Either way, I make a killing on sales.



#25 Oct 06 2004 at 12:11 PM Rating: Good
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We all put up the scroll on the AH for 250k gil. This means that someone who is the casual player has NO chance is ever playing a Ninja unless he dedicates a few solid weeks in building enough fame to get the scroll.
This is just one example.
NO ITEM should be out of reach of the casual player. We work, we have families, and we do other things. We do not have the (mis)fortune of living our parents' basements.


It's a good point, but the economy is what it is. Nobody is in the wrong for selling their items higher. If you can get more, get more. Nobody is in the wrong for selling their items cheaper, if you want your items sold first and quickly, offer a cheaper price.

As for the time issue, I think we will all agree. But that's the game we all choose to play. Everything takes a ton of time. This isn't a game you expect to finish (if finishing is even possible) in a week or a month or six months.

You got to remember often why prices are high is the effort it takes to get the items you want to buy. If the price is too high, there usually is a way for you to get the item yourself (quest it, etc). But it all comes down to supply and demand. My original point was we should not accuse people of doing wrong by selling items at a price we do not like (too high or too low). People will do what they believe is best for them. Instead, learn how the economy works as a whole and let this be advantageous to you. Find what items people are willing to pay for now (it will always fluctuate) and then decide if the effort to get these items is worth what people are willing to pay for them. This is meant to be helpful advice for everyone trying to make gil in a game that is frankly pretty tough to make good gil. I am not trying to start a flame war (you know who I am talking about), but rather help people out with my advice. It's the scheme I use to make money and it has been very beneficial to me.
#26 Oct 06 2004 at 12:17 PM Rating: Decent
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While I agree with Tzipporah to a certain extent. Many of the items deemed nessessary by the general public are pricey. And thats the enire problem. Its never been a big secret that anything worth while in the game takes massive amounts of time to accomplish your goal. I dont mind spending abit of effort to get some of the items I want, but it would be nice to have to spend about half that time.

I sell at the steep prices simply for the cases I need to buy certain pricey items, I also am stuck buying at the steep prices. I know at what point I will NOT buy an item. But its just how things are going to be, Leaping Boots will never be a cheap item, so people are almost forced to price their stuff appropriatly to buy these.

I have recently become semi-fond of crafting. One thing I have noticed recently is alot of the overpriced items for recipies can be bought at HUGE discounts from various NPC and regional vendors. I almost had a fit when I looked up a stack of rock salt in Bastok. 700g for an item that is sold for 12 or 22 gil... can not remember. The only issue about this is you NEED to to where you can buy these items, in this case it was Sandy. Took me about 1.5 hours to round up all the needed crafting items to skill up about 4 points in Alchemy.

The free market is definatly stacked against the lower levels, as it is harder for them to get around, and also harder for them to aquire gil, higher lvls get BCNM and airships, so the lower levels are forced to price what they can farm at prices that make getting some of their great equipment attainable

EDIT: Note that Dhamal meat can be sold to a vendor for just under 600 gil i think it was........

Edited, Wed Oct 6 13:19:50 2004 by DexxH
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