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#102 Jul 13 2007 at 9:06 AM Rating: Good
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If it was a fake post then why would his friend try to cover for him? As for CFH+MPK+Dynamis. Demo was shouting in whitegate bragging about taking a dynamis zone Wednesday night. Kujata has attempted to mpk demo. This is not the first time Kujata has mpked botters. I am guessing that your not in a real end game LS or you would know this.

Edited, Jul 13th 2007 12:08pm by cem
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#103 Jul 13 2007 at 9:08 AM Rating: Decent
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cem wrote:


The linkshell that you are referring to was Redefine. The botters in that linkshell are actually now member of DEMO.

Edited, Jul 13th 2007 11:56am by cem


So you mean to tell me you want to go on the record saying redefine is a clean ls no botters? This is what I'm trying to say Cem I'm not here arguing that Demo doesn't bot because seriously they probably do. I know you read BG and I know you should have the common sense that END GAME IS FULL OF BOTTERS. Simple like you need air to breath, it is just the fact. Does everyone in Demo bot nope some of them are on PS2, does everyone in kujata endgame not bot, no. Botting is a fact of endgame that benefits every ls that bots. And most ls even if they say they are clean kick botters have 2+ botters in the ls. So atleast if all those post where they say they bot are true then they unlike most people are honest. It is 2007 Cem people really have come to the understanding people bot. Drama wise they have drama haven't really made any serious drama waves here.
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cem wrote:
If it was a fake post then why would his friend try to cover for him?


It was just a point Cem, sometime your read way into things I could really careless about garuda drama or maybe I would have read past the first few posts.


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As for CFH+MPK+Dynamis. Demo was shouting in whitegate bragging about taking a dynamis zone Wednesday night.


Yes they did, Cem you guys don't do dynamis Wednesday nights right? They didn't steal any zones and actaully came to agreements with the ls involved it was more of a "get the **** off our nuts kujata or we will mess with **** shout"

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Kujata has attempted to mpk demo. This is not the first time Kujata has mpked botters.


So you could say you all started the upcoming drama if they mpk you all back right? So you all mpked redefined and the 1+ botters in every shell?

cem wrote:
I am guessing that your not in a real end game LS or you would know this.


Seeing that I'm from ifrit and have only been here since the day transfers opened I would have to say I don't know all the history of your server, kinda like I don't try and say I do. And endgame wise I know tanks form my ls helped you kill Cerberus so what would that be saying about you? But again we can try and make this into a drama fight between the two of us but why bother it's not worth it, All I was saying is you all provoked a LS who did nothing wrong, and will complain about their drama.

So if you get mpked by demo and make a post about it here or on BG, we can come back to this thread and watch you all admit you provoked a LS, starting **** and it will be your own **** fault, for not giving them respect.
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I'll give you that not all HNMs are completely clean from what all I have read. Demo has probably many botters in their LS. The reason for the mass GM calls placed is to get rid of the botters. I dont care if they are in DEMO or any other HNM LS they dont deserve the right to play the game. Demo just seems to be flooded with all of the garbage on our server that fits the category.
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#106 Jul 13 2007 at 6:46 PM Rating: Default
Read more Cem, you're a retard, that post was a joke.

There was a drinking bingo game on the Garuda forums, so I made a most to get the most bingo squares in one post.

Obviously I still have my **** Seriously, if that post is where you're getting your information, you're one sad little individual. Reread the thread, everything in it is a lie. Look at the replies from the people that actually know me.

God damn, why is it always the retarded population thats the most outspoken.
#107 Jul 13 2007 at 8:59 PM Rating: Decent
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So if you get mpked by demo and make a post about it here or on BG, we can come back to this thread and watch you all admit you provoked a LS, starting sh*t and it will be your own **** fault, for not giving them respect.


Yup.

I'm a former Demo member, still on Garuda... I've said this many times, and I'll say it again... in eight or nine months with Demo, I never saw anyone bot. I never read it in /tells, /say, /ls chat, /shouts, /party, anywhere. We had no Web forum then. I was also on ventrillo, and nobody ever talked about it then, either. In fact, we made our share of GM calls to report other HNMLS' voke bots in DA.

Not saying botting didn't occur... for all I know, individual members may have taken it upon themselves to hack without telling anyone else. If they did, they did a great job of hiding it! And the hacks must not have worked very well, considering we didn't get any more claims than all the other endgame linkshells on the server (which, from what I've read, has a lot more competition than you have on Kajuta).

So... you Kajutans can keep cryin' over the arrival of a well-equipped, well-oiled HNMLS that is probably as dominant as any ls you have on your server... or, you can accept them, get used to the competition and move on with life.

Demo isn't going away. And if you think they're gonna go away just because you complain about them in /say, you're terribly mistaken. In fact, you'll just push them to compete harder.

By the way... hi Gov! I'm sad you guys are gone... now there's nobody for me to trio limbus with.

EDIT: I'm not trying to belittle your entire server... I know it's only a small percentage of the total players who make up the base of endgame linkshell members.

Edited, Jul 13th 2007 10:15pm by Thayos
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#108 Jul 14 2007 at 5:39 AM Rating: Good
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Hello Kujata, Gov, and Thay.

I found Thay's post a bit funny...

I was never a member of Demo, but I did get some of the members of that linkshell to admit to using 3rd party tools. However, this was a long time ago and at this time the people using these tools were rarely punished.

I have also been a member of various linkshells with people who used 3rd party tools. Many of these people have already been caught and now the characters and accounts are gone.

In the olden days, it seemed the "elite" HNMls' of Garuda would often bot claim kings. I remember seeing a character fly through the air to claim KB. No, this was not lag, and I don't remember which linkshell he was a member of and it doesn't really matter.

I have also seen characters climb up and down steep walls while camping Serket. I have seen afk characters voke claim a mob that spawned behind them.

These cheats were all done by NA players who were not RMT.

Keep in mind Thay, we have a mutual friend (from Demo) who's acct. was bammed for the use of 3rd party tools.

It's funny how many (so called) innocent people have had their accounts deleted, but I have never even been scolded by a GM. Why? Because I really don't break any rules. I guess I have never really been very competitive.

Most of the people I know who have lost their accounts have admitted to using the 3rd party tools. At first they all denied it, finally they confessed. I don't know of anyone who really lost their account who didn't break the rules. I don't know of anyone who actually had their account hacked. The truth always comes out eventually.

I don't believe Demo wants to use these tools anymore. It's just too risky these days. Perhaps they quit using the tools long ago, I really don't know. I don't enjoy camping kings so we are not in the same circle of friends. Perhaps Demos decision to not use these tool may be one reason they have chosen to leave Garuda and move to a server where there is less botting used by the competition.

Ok... At this point I am just guessing and I should probably quit typing. Sometimes I begin to ramble... I think Gov and Thay already know this about me.



Edited, Jul 14th 2007 6:43am by ANewbForever
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#109 Jul 14 2007 at 5:00 PM Rating: Decent
Yes, Daff, you do ramble, but don't we all sometimes?

Just to clarify... I'm not trying to make Demo people out to be saints, because they're not. They once stole a King Behemoth at 1 percent health from probably the only HNMLS on our server that had seriously never botted (Daffney's old ls, Armageddon)... and more recently, they stole a Kirin from a good fiend's sky linkshell. There have been other well-documented instances of poor moral judgement on the part of Demo members. (note: I wasn't a member when these events happened.)

But botting and hacking? Like I said... from a former insider's perspective, I never saw it. I never saw a king pop claimed to us. Obviously, I've never hacked (I'd rather smash my PS2 than hack, if you could even hack on a PS2), so maybe it's just that I don't know what to look for to know if my teammates are hacking? However, I can't count how many times a king spawned purple to a rival linkshell... I don't recall a single claim we had where the king popped red to us.

Heck, if I ever did see Demo hack to get a claim, I would have broken my pearl on the spot... and I'd be posting now about how you guys are right to be accusing them of cheating!

I have nothing to hide nor gain from giving you this insight about Demo. Like I said, I'm a former member. I left the shell earlier this year so I could experience endgame with longtime close friends in another linkshell. To me, friends are more valuable than drops.

It's just that most of the people in Demo are actually cool people, and it's silly that people single them out for botting and hacking when, in fact, that linkshell's greatest sin is not considering the needs/feelings/efforts of others.

If everyone in Demo bot/hacked as much as people say they do, wouldn't they all have been banned a long time ago?

(And a note: in regards to the mutual friend who Daffney spoke of, I know of only one time he hacked... and that was during a bcnm, outside of the linkshell. He'd called me out to help him, and I didn't know he was using it until suddenly he started flying across the screen at lightning speed. Like I said, though, I never saw anyone, this guy included, use any such program in an event where any kind of competition was involved. In fact, the only other direct hack I've ever seen (besides the appearance of mobs spawning purple) was a little taru (or something like that) fly across a zone to claim behemoth... and that taru was not in Demo.)

Anyway, do what you will with my insight. I hope you guys can someday find a way to coexist with them, without the drama.

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#110 Jul 14 2007 at 10:55 PM Rating: Default
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They once stole a King Behemoth at 1 percent health from probably the only HNMLS on our server that had seriously never botted (Daffney's old ls, Armageddon)


That was Summit, not Demo >.>
#111 Jul 16 2007 at 8:46 AM Rating: Default
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Heh.. summit.

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#112 Jul 17 2007 at 7:33 AM Rating: Good
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Yes they did, Cem you guys don't do dynamis Wednesday nights right? They didn't steal any zones and actaully came to agreements with the ls involved it was more of a "get the **** off our nuts kujata or we will mess with sh*t shout"


Actually Demo did take my LS's Xarcabard on that Wednesday night and we were never contacted by anyone in Demo, so I'm not sure where you got that info from. It was a member of another linkshell that shouted in whitegate to warn us that they were taking the zone. We just went and did another city that was open as there was nothing we could do about it.

As far as I know Demo has now agreed to go along with the dynamis scheduling, so as far as I am concerned let bygones be bygones as long as they can have a little respect for other linkshells.

And if you guys don't think people bot to claim...lol...isn't that just expected?
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#113 Jul 17 2007 at 2:30 PM Rating: Excellent
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I just don't get this.

I mean, here a bunch of people come over to Kujata, and yes they are met with apprehension, and I'm sure if the shoe was on the other foot the same would apply to another HNMLS moving to what ever the server in question is. I read what people had to say about Demo on places like BG and KI, some of it was not good. And yet others gave good responses to the people in Demo and particularly to Governor.

Yet I'm compelled to read what happens, and to see for myself on a daily basis what transpires on this server. I'm sorry if we greeted your LS with our bear gloves on, but at the same time, I haven't really seen Demo show us any reasons not to. I've read atleast 5-6 threads from Demo members bashing the HNM scene on Kujata. There has been questionable posts and threads about Demo bots, ect ect. I'm not asking that you give up on your HNM stance or give other LSs claim just because they have been here longer, but I'm asking that you be fair. If you truely are a fair LS, you should have no problem declaring that your LS will not support botting. Sure it's just a game, and you can lie to us and say you support that, but if you really are a good guy that enjoys playing the game the way it was meant to be played, what do you have to lose? You might just gain something good out of it.

And if the botting is true, in time we'll see the GMs and the task force do their jobs. I'm sure everyone in Demo realizes that they are under a microscope, people are watching you, not just GMs and task force people, but other players, checking for any small infraction to use /helpdesk.

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#114 Jul 17 2007 at 6:25 PM Rating: Decent
Honestly, most of the discussion against Kujata's HNM scene is directed towards TBC. Their childish antics and attempts to lag out our stunners at Cerb is just wrong. I've stated a few times I have no issues against other HNMLS on the server. DB and whoever else has really done no wrong. Then again, MINT's CFH antics are another thing to laugh at.

As for botting, I have no problems annoucing that I am openly against botting. If you have evidence of any of our members botting, I'll bring it to the round table with the other leaders of Demo with punishments from loss in lotting status to removal from the linkshell. Thats been Demo policy. We also do not tolerate stealing or MPK attempts either.

I think I've said this before but.. I really didn't expect us to be welcomed with open arms, but I didn't expect the spam in /say and the mpk attempts. We've worked out an agreement with other Dynamis shells where we go in a little earlier and they go in a little later. We're not here to strongarm our way into Kujata's HNM scene, we're here to get gear for our members. So far the only drama caused so far by us was one Dynamis, which pretty much was just a sign of our resolve. People pretty much just assumed they could post trash about us all over the forums and attempt to mpk us with no response before that. I apologize to the linkshell that we took Dynamis from. I think we can all agree it worked out for the best though, opened up some dialog between Demo and the Dynamis scene.

As for me, I'm not sure if anyones noticed on game yet or not. Governor is played by two different people. Hogiwan and myself. Hogiwan posts on the forums as Hogi, and I post as Governor. So when you start blasting him for whatever I may post on the forums, just try making sure you're blasting the right person. I'll admit I'm a bit more outspoken than Hogi and lately hes been getting the brunt.

If anyone has any questions or comments, I'll be more than happy to answer them. Here or on our forums @ http://www.demols.com/forums/
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Wow this thread is commin around nicely and about to end on a hallmark moment. ^^;
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#116 Jul 17 2007 at 7:59 PM Rating: Decent
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Nicely put Governor...




Edited, Jul 18th 2007 12:01am by FFXISoldur
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#117 Jul 18 2007 at 3:59 AM Rating: Default
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Man! You too Hogiwan too?

Jesus, you took like 70% of the remaining day 1's with you gov.

I'm so ronry now, and its not fair!
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#118 Jul 18 2007 at 5:35 AM Rating: Default
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#119 Jul 18 2007 at 9:09 AM Rating: Excellent
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Governor,

Now I'll admit I'm guilty of saying some bad stuff against your LS in /say at that last fafnir, but I hope you realize where this stigma comes from. Your LS had a reputation that came from Garuda that had been questionable and people have called out your LS for botting. You arrive in Kujata, and start claiming everything on a streak that would make Spammer, Genjo, Xtek, and a few other notorious botters from kujata's heads spin. And in posts and comments we get the opinion from you, that "everyone else bots so why shouldn't we?"

If that was the case, I'm sure TBC would have more than just Tiamat claims to brag about. And you call us childish, say we suck, ect ect which I'm sure is a very adult thing to do. But before you polish your halo too brightly, please remember that you, Dug, and a few others seem more than happy to dish out the /say comments. Is that a problem? I wouldn't imagine it is, since it's the few moments of comedy that occurs from sitting in DA for hours. It's always been that way. Competitive teams trash talk each other.

Just to put the shoe on the other foot, I'm sure if you had gathered together 14 people, waiting on a back up tank to arrive, to have TBC run in and hold khimmy for 30 mins with only 4 people before any more members showed up, you'd probably think that was a rather dirty move too. Heck, I bet the 14 members of your LS that were screwed over by that move would be more apt to believe that the LS that screwed you out of a claim, had more dirty tricks up their sleaves too.



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#120GovernorOfGaruda, Posted: Jul 18 2007 at 10:24 AM, Rating: Sub-Default, (Expand Post) Question: What do you do if you have 14 people at Khimera and theres a rival linkshell en-route.
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Actually until the server change took place there were a number of times that other LSs had GM'd tbc to give up claim on a HNM due to lack of damage. You had one smn that would take 1% off of khimmy every two BPs, so at that point you were looking at a 200 min long khimmy. It took 30 mins for your guys to show up. And as far as the POSing, i wasn't aware that we ever said that about you.

In fact, in LS chat people said you ran right up for the claim. Hmmm, POS hacking you say?

Silencing you members? I'm not asking that you do that, or you reel their behaviors in, why would i? People play this game for fun, and it's a game, a competitive game at times too. Competitive people say things like this. It's the nature of places like DA. Immature, sure we can be (sure anyone can be), but name calling is immature in it's nature too.
And as for being able to call out two names, I'm very sorry, but i don't really know any of you. In fact other than me posting a few things here, what do you know about me?

Well either way, you and i will not see eye to eye on these matters, it's moot for me to do more than voice my concern about fair play.

See you around, and don't forget, you have to share your personal playground. I picnic here.

Edited, Jul 18th 2007 2:45pm by SCrow
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#122 Jul 18 2007 at 11:14 AM Rating: Excellent
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If annoying others were a punishable crime most hnmls would have members on death row. There are idiots in ALL end game shells. Just as there are decent, good people in ALL end game shells.

Apparently though, if I am reading Govenors posts correctly, Demo's leadership does not endorse or encourage cheating? Why did it take three pages of posts to make this statement?

P.S. <3 Sara. She seldom embroils herself in controversy or drama so it's good to see her concerns being addressed respectfully by the Demo leader.
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#123 Jul 18 2007 at 11:26 AM Rating: Default
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Actually until the server change took place there were a number of times that other LSs had GM'd tbc to give up claim on a HNM due to lack of damage. You had one smn that would take 1% off of khimmy every two BPs, so at that point you were looking at a 200 min long khimmy. It took 30 mins for your guys to show up. And as far as the POSing, i wasn't aware that we ever said that about you.

In fact, in LS chat people said you ran right up for the claim. Hmmm, POS hacking you say?


I think the exact quote was speed hacking. I wasn't there couldn't be 100% sure. I don't really know what the anecdote about your extremely long fights due to being underprepared was all about though.

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Silencing you members? I'm not asking that you do that, or you reel their behaviors in, why would i? People play this game for fun, and it's a game, a competitive game at times too. Competitive people say things like this. It's the nature of places like DA. Immature, sure we can be (sure anyone can be), but name calling is immature in it's nature too.


Namecalling? Calling a spade a spade is just my style. I don't think my dialog has degraded to a TBC level yet though. As for reeling in the behaviors of your members, you have to understand the actions of a few reflect on many. I don't expect an LS full of choirboys but I do expect some moderation and respect for the other linkshells who are in Dragon's Aery with us. Is that wrong of me?

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I think it's time for a new sig anyways. Especially the way you completely screwed over one of our members which wasn't an isolated incident. Last time I checked, we never did anything like that to your LS.

God save Kujata the day Demo stoops to your linkshells level.

(Figured I should add the linkshells between your and level considering I didn't mean to target Sara.)

Edited, Jul 18th 2007 3:38pm by GovernorOfGaruda
#124 Jul 18 2007 at 11:46 AM Rating: Excellent
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I'd like to know about the Demo member we screwed over. I'm not aware of this juicy tidbit since I'm in Seattle for the week with Mr. Crow and won't be online till i get home.

So what happened? Who was smited, and who did the smiting?

Honestly, if you are the upright citizen of Kujata that you want to be, lets clear some air, get some open communication going and stop with the name calling. Because what you do with 'stoop to tbc level' ect ect really only goads the situation, it does nothing beneficial to the reason I'm posting at this point, and hopefully the reason you are posting.


Edited, Jul 18th 2007 3:49pm by SCrow
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#125 Jul 18 2007 at 11:51 AM Rating: Default
http://demols.com/forums/viewtopic.php?t=79

I don't know about you, but it's always been one of my personal policies to not let the HNM bullsh*t bleed into other aspects of the game. Cdog let him buy all his 50cap gear before straight out booting him.

Edited, Jul 18th 2007 3:55pm by GovernorOfGaruda
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This will not be the last non HNM resistance that Demo will have. I know of many TBC members that will not speak to any Demo members. Don't be shocked if other HNM ls's do the same: Missions, Quests, Xp etc. It's happened in the past on this server and looks like it is happening again.
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#127 Jul 18 2007 at 12:27 PM Rating: Default
That's fine. I have no problem taking the moral high ground. If you're really that bent out of shape of losing your Tiamat/Khimera monopoly, so be it. Really isn't going to affect me, might take Emph a few more days to get his Swift belt. All your hurt was an innocent member of the linkshell who hasn't even seen you guys yet. If you still feel like the big man after that I feel sorry for you.
#128SevIfrit, Posted: Jul 18 2007 at 12:38 PM, Rating: Sub-Default, (Expand Post) Hey gove i have hate and 50 cap gear if he wants to get his swift belt. That **** is just pathetic I'm sorry. Pure Class, btw cem does this mean I'm /blockaided because demo doesn't bother me?
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I'm sure it doesn't matter much, but my appologies to Zarithon. I really don't endorse that type of underhanded moves, if I had a problem with a person I'd straight up tell them so, and have in the past.

This will sound harse, again sorry for that, but the only thing I can suggest is that if a Demo member is crossing paths with a TBC member, better do a lithmus test before investing gil.. I'll pledge not to let this be my play style, booting or not. (Heck, i leveled war from 45-52 helping people get swift belts and to this day i still don't have one)

That being said, I'll gladdly drg burn with any drg that knows which way the lance is meant to go. Yes I said it, drg burn 4 drgs 4 wyverns 2 brds. So many pets it lags out everyone else in the thickets ^^;
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#130 Jul 18 2007 at 12:53 PM Rating: Good
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I personally will not inv you to anything. Gov posted the info and I was just letting him know that this is how Kujata has worked for years. There has and will be people(not all) in HNMs that refuse to do things with ppl in hated linkshells. It is viewed the same as being in a party with a cgf by some.

The you will be kicked comment is from the event not the linkshell. The only way they would be kicked from the linkshell is if it was competition with TBC. Swift Belt does not fall into this.

Edited, Jul 18th 2007 3:59pm by cem
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#131GovernorOfGaruda, Posted: Jul 18 2007 at 1:01 PM, Rating: Sub-Default, (Expand Post) I'm not sure but they really seemed like it came from someone higher up, maybe you should get Cdog to explain himself. Honestly, if TBC really wants to treat us like **** eventually we're going to get sick of it. List the things that Demo's done to you and I'll reply with a list much longer than yours of what TBC has done to Demo. Maybe we should be the ones boycotting your linkshell, but you know, we're not like that.
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Really this is now going in a direction I was trying to steer this run away train from (do you actually steer trains? I mean they go straight.. that's about it, not like you can turn a wheel and go any place the tracks don't point to..)

So I'll wish you all a good day, happy gaming, and yada yada.
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I keep trying to pinpoint what it is about Governor's posts that bothers me, and I think I finally have it.

Governor, in various and sundry posts, has referred to himself as the kind of person who calls a spade a spade and one who takes the moral highground. Yet, here he is, going to great lengths to point fingers at TBC without coming out to make any direct accusations.

A person who calls a spade or spade would just say it - TBC has a lot of under-handed, childish players; they always have; this is not news to most of Kujata.

A person who takes the moral highground would have to stay out of the cess pool. You can't point fingers at TBC with one hand and make a peace sign with the other. It's hypocritical.

Either let it go (moral highground), or just call TBC childish pr1cks (spade a spade). You can't have it both ways.

Edited to add: See? Saracrow took the moral highground. Way to be an example!

Edited, Jul 18th 2007 9:15pm by KarmaBum
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#134Valark, Posted: Jul 18 2007 at 6:10 PM, Rating: Sub-Default, (Expand Post) their case? I am not sure I understand...a GM talked to you about the status of another player's account and what they are planning to do eventually about them?
#135 Jul 18 2007 at 11:41 PM Rating: Default
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wow really?

ok, let me catch up really quick... in order of appearance:

cem wrote:
And as for Demo.... I am just waiting for the next mass bannings and we wont have to worry about them anymore. The people they have picked up from Kujata are the people that we refused to keep in our shells. They have been kicked from all of the good shells on our server. If they somehow miss the banstick they will fall apart because of the people they have let in. Demo is a time bomb waiting to explode. We'll be rid of them soon.



...lol

cem wrote:
It also looks like Demo is starting to **** off Hinty. I'm sure they dont know it since they dont research anything, but she has GM connections.


...LOL

Kenjakat wrote:
Is everyone on Kujata 12 years old?


it would appear so...


cem wrote:
I play completely legit and have beaten bots.


LOL yet again XD

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You mean, if a mob goes yellow you're not supposed to claim it? Wow... Dynamis calander? sounds like a good idea, too bad that since it's not SE supported, you can't really do much to enforce it.


God **** Gov... sounds like so much fun over there. Can I come please? can I can I? I promise you my conscience died years ago so I can do whatever unethical needs demo requires! (lol)

For those of you who have a hard time seeing sarcasm (apperantly there are a few)... That was it...



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#136 Jul 19 2007 at 5:47 AM Rating: Decent
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Spikido wrote:
a lot of drama-taunting crap.


You know, there's a couple ways this can go, and I've been saying it the whole time. I've had now (second-hand, mind you) good experiences with Governor. The leader of my LS spoke at length with him about the dynamis scheduling, and a compromise was struck. I see that as pretty helpful and considerate.

Now, we can continue to **** whine and moan about each others' HNM crap; We can spew out a bunch of idiotic finger-pointing and make Fidant really happy to read all the drama.

Or everyone can quit goading one another, since this thread isn't really helping anything at this point. People who are truly on the moral high ground will do so and step back; let the drama mongers keep spewing out drivel like the above, and continue on with their game. Eventually, if we all stop slapping one another in the face, the swelling is gonna stop.

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Really this is now going in a direction I was trying to steer this run away train from


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#137 Jul 19 2007 at 8:15 AM Rating: Decent
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Agreed!


Why can't we just all get along...
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#138 Jul 19 2007 at 9:08 AM Rating: Good
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MOAR!
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#139Kenjakat, Posted: Jul 19 2007 at 9:47 AM, Rating: Sub-Default, (Expand Post) Hey Cem, I'm curious; how old are you?
#140 Jul 19 2007 at 11:02 AM Rating: Good
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This thread really needs more Fidant :D

Well this is day 2 of me reading this, and I have to say, the mud flinging really needs to pick up MOAR. Allakhazam hasn't been this busy in months. Maybe Pikko can send us all flowers for getting more people to read these webbies.


But in all honesty, I do appreciate this, it has created open dialog between the parties involved. Now which side is pyongyang has yet to be decided. Diplomacy the game!

So to recap, Governor, thank you for making that statement against botting, i appreciate that gesture or goodwill.

BTW all this drama lately has me afraid that when i get back in the game, I'll find Bastok burnt down, Demo and TBC will be pointing fingers at each other, and I'll be forced to avenge my toasted moogle.

I'm out of here, too much sugar in my drinks
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#141 Jul 19 2007 at 11:19 AM Rating: Good
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Kenjakat wrote:
Hey Cem, I'm curious; how old are you?


god forbid a thread should take a constructive turn away from you and your juvenile name calling. Let it go already.



Edited, Jul 19th 2007 3:20pm by Hotdiggity
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#142 Jul 19 2007 at 12:47 PM Rating: Excellent
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24 like I just posted on your forum. I have yet to see any proof that Demo does not bot. With the way the claiming system is in ffxi a mob can not spawn claimed to any person. All I have seen is 5+ demo ppl casting on a mob. Depending on how long the mob is up there are different people that start casting. This is a clear sign of bots.

And the Nidhogg that was pulled yesterday was claimed by me. Bots are NOT impossible to beat. Even a person with a good system + connection is at a disadvantage, but NOT an impossible one.
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#143 Jul 19 2007 at 1:21 PM Rating: Default
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The reason I asked about your age is because I figured anyone above the age of 12 would have long exhausted themselves on such pointless stalking and obsessing that you're portraying. No one cares Cem; grow up.
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#144 Jul 19 2007 at 1:33 PM Rating: Good
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I REALLY REALLY REALLY REALLY hope to god SE whacks all the botters, then we can sort this whole mess out once and for all...

Until then there will still be finger pointing every which way, I know that some people bot but I also know that I was able to claim 2 fafnirs out of the maybe 15 times I was there without botting so that ratio is good enough for me...
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#145 Jul 20 2007 at 7:29 AM Rating: Decent
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So all he has left is to talk **** because in reality he can't do a **** thing about it.


so apparently since im in an established shell I don't like competition..? I haven’t been in an HNMLS in like... a year I just don’t like lying aww inspiring pricks. Now you think you can come into this server and be the boss?

**** maybe you can but I hope every one throws salt in your wounds when your down. And trust me you will be down maybe you get out botted maybe you all get banned. (fix hopefully you all get banned) but it will come and I hope the day it does im there to sit take a screen shot and laugh.
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#146 Jul 20 2007 at 8:33 AM Rating: Default
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How do you take a screenshot of banned players?
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#147Spikido, Posted: Jul 20 2007 at 11:13 AM, Rating: Sub-Default, (Expand Post) 3 page thread in the first month
#148 Jul 20 2007 at 12:24 PM Rating: Good
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well its not the banned player you sc... its the 5 threads they start about how A. they got banned for using windower or B. they got banned for no reason and how SE are just pricks who randomly ban good ol boy's like your selfs.
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#149 Jul 20 2007 at 5:08 PM Rating: Good
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god you guys
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#150 Jul 21 2007 at 12:13 PM Rating: Decent
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This thread bores me now.
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#151 Jul 22 2007 at 11:25 PM Rating: Decent
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Wow! I can't believe this thread is still going. Incredible.

Just goes to show the staying power of drama.
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