Good Luck, You're Gonna Need ItFollow

Cheaters ALWAYS think everyone else is cheating as well. It's like in the cheaters handbook or something.

Well at kings camps their tends to be more then one botter, and everyone is acting like demo is the reasons bots are on kujata their was botters before them and will be botters on kujata after they are gone lol. People in this game cheat its a fact, thats why people get banned. I know i don't bot so really im not cheating or am I going to worry about who bots because I have no control over it. If you don't think botting/cheating started till Demo got here seriously just go hang yourself. Oh and btw if you want to really call them on botting bring proof lol, seriously if you like demo or hate them, think they cheat or are clean, want them on kujata or don't, we have no choice in the matter. Demo at the end of 90 days is either going to stay or leave depending on what they want to do. So stop even worrying about it lol, and the 2 run ins I have had with demo, was a talk with gove who was very nice, And Shik Weapon which we claimed over Demo, got kill no robe ;_;. They didn't mpk or try to steal. People need to chill out and stop bithing about everything.

Uh. I highly doubt anyone on Kujata believes there was no botting before this LS got there. At least, no one who was around during the days of DB's running streak in DA would be apt to believe it, nor when SE kicked half of OS/redefine for speed-hacking.

That said - you guys are the new kids on the block, and you come in like you own the show. The other LSes are going to have history - they learned to compete internally, often with strife and rarely with any good grace - that any new LS doesn't have. It would have been wise to maintain a low-profile till you were an accepted part of the Kujata scenery rather than come in like a bunch of hyped-up jack russell terriers eager to play with the big dogs.

If you had been magnanimous (or even just mute) rather than the showboat pr1cks you're showing yourselves to be on Alla (so I can only imagine how ill-mannered you are in-game), you might have found a warmer reception. But d1ck-waving doesn't go over well with anyone, least of all with gamers, and you people sure did come in here ready to unzip and show off.

I don't even play any more, and your better-than-you, holier-than-thou, everyone-cheats party line is grating me the wrong way.

My experience with Demo has been a good one so far. They are always accused of botting etc. when camping!!!! There was one time DB tried to mpk us at fafnog with spiders. There was a member from TBC and i'm going to point his name out; Skullcage kept on casting tractor while i was trying to raise members. Now if you are going to call yourselves respectable you wont do that. As for Demo, have they tried to mpk? have they casted tractor while your whms were trying to raise? Most Demo members dont even talk back when you say crap in /say. When i joined the ls all i heard was, lets not make any enemies, lets not start stuff, lets try to get a good name. Instantly people accused them of botting, being @#%^s. People have seemed to judge the book by its cover. You dont know them, You are not friends with them.

So if my friends and I started making numerous GM calls on you today, by next week could we come back in here and say "They have had LOADS of calls against him and will just add yours to a compendium while they build there case".

Exactly what proof does many calls mean? Ya, they weren't liked by a lot of people on Garuda, and I'm sure that many times people called the GM on them for being pissed off at them, or what have you. But your argument is ... well dumb.

As an outsider to your forum looking in, I'd have to say you seem to have your panties all in a bunch about Demo since your first post in this thread. I'm curious, are you a rival HNMLS leader or something? Are you trying to help make them out to be evil to make your HNMLS look better? Because, frankly, that's the way it's coming off.

They do bot. They admit to it. There have been around 200 GM calls placed to the special task force on every person that has claimed for demo. When they sift through all of these calls and find proof they will be added to the list of this months bannings. If they dont find anything in these calls then the STF is useless because they admit to it.

The proof is in the log files sent to the server. The STF is supposed to be able to go back and check these files. That is why they ask the zone, time, player names etc.

Edited, Jul 10th 2007 11:57am by cem

I was more or less uninterested in this until very recently. The HNM scene is full of mudslinging wherever you go, and nothing can really change that. However this:



...is just disrespectful neglect. Despite all the bickering and nonsense, we actually have a schedule system that works and that people adhere to. This affords us a modicum of sanity and sensibility, and assures the people on our server that we will not be sleighted out of Dynamis runs which are typically a large-scale arduous planning ordeal.

I don't want to throw around names or add in to the bashing thats already going on here. I don't do HNMs, it doesn't interest me, thats all you guys. However, I am politely requesting that you try to adhere to the schedule our server has been maintaining for a very long time. All it takes is one shell to start sniping dynamis zones, and the whole system goes to hell. We have 2 very large and dedicated Dynamis-only LS'es that make it a point to reserve these zones ahead of time and let everyone else know about it. Our HNM shells hold to this as well.

I know you guys are new here, and it would go a long way toward your credibility to help out the server as a whole and work with the established Dynamis calendar. Thanks.

I love how you guys are acting like children saying crap about every member of Demo but as soon as someone says something about you, you cry about it and go report it to a moderator to have it deleted.

Edited, Jul 11th 2007 3:25pm by Kenjakat

The quote from Dave is the second post in this thread.
As such, someone from another server gave a heads-up, and one of your own decided to kick the drama-llama in the balls.
You (Demo) brought this on yourself.

Well I can't help but notice that my LS should be entering xarc in 45 minutes...and Demo is out there right now. /goodbye dynamis calendar.

Edit: oh how kind, they shouted in whitegate that they were stealing it.

Edited, Jul 11th 2007 6:31pm by Wstwd

I have to say that this comment here really sums up everything, except there isn't a ls on Kujata that will admit to botting which we all know is just for PR purposes. The rule of end game FFXI has always been bot it if you can, you see if you don't you'll be wasting your time. Some people choose to take the moral high ground on this matter but I don't think any of you complaining about this LS has ever camped Kings, let alone could find your way to Dragon's Aery.

Awesome. I'm just trying to be a moderator here, and I'm getting nuked for it.

Look, I'm really not trying to slap anyone in the face here. I have not had any experience with any members of Demo outside of these forums. Theres a large chance I won't for quite some time. As a matter of fact, my Dynamis shell goes to events on Tuesdays and Fridays. Therefore we aren't in much danger of Demo taking one of our zones if you guys decide to go on Wednesdays and Sundays.

That being said, you're acting like the endgame population on Kujata should have welcomed you with open arms. Of course they don't like you. Of course they're acting like childish pricks - flaming, /say spam, botting accusations... At the very base level you're an outsider that has upset the way things have been here for a long time. You guys are competetion, and people don't like competetion. I don't see why this is a surprise.

I suppose you can go one of 2 ways with this. You can say "well, everyone thinks we're jerks, so we may as well be jerks" or you can be the better man. The shell that you guys jumped in front of last night at Xarc... did they really deserve that, or are you punishing them for friction you had with another shell?

You're not helping.

Redefine is still together under new leadership.

And as for Demo.... I am just waiting for the next mass bannings and we wont have to worry about them anymore. The people they have picked up from Kujata are the people that we refused to keep in our shells. They have been kicked from all of the good shells on our server. If they somehow miss the banstick they will fall apart because of the people they have let in. Demo is a time bomb waiting to explode. We'll be rid of them soon.

Edited, Jul 13th 2007 7:51am by cem

I'm no Demo fan, nor do I have anything against them, but's it's naive to think they are all magically going to get banned. Gov has been around longer than the vast majority of all of you and I predict he will be until he decides to quit.

Lol, GM connections.

"I know Demo is a botting linkshell, I know of several members who do it. Although I never condoned it, I did reap the benefits."-Governor (KillingIfrit.com)

Oh I dont like her. I just know what she has the ability to do.

Ex-Member talking about Demo
"Now comes where the part where I rattle off a bunch of dodgy sh*t that went on while I was in Demo.

Now, you probably know that Deb is friend with the rmt up in sky, but here's what you don't know. Henrygaru, the leader of the rmt up there, thinks Deb is a woman in real life. Deb uses this fact to get pop items off them cheap. He thinks Deb's real life name is Rebecca.

Two words: Stun bots. Oh, and there's pos, but that's a given.

All you need to do to get in demo is be a whm or smn or have a friend that is one and make him bring you along.

Demo's dynamis shell is named after a bisexual whm who hacked like a mother@#%^er.

Laya, who used to be Vampyr, who used to mightymerlin, was banned twice and kicked from the linkshell once and is still in there somehow.

Deb once tried to buy FFXI app for some people in the linkshell. ( as in "let's merit our flying skill" app) using gil from the LS bank. Let me explain. He contacted the guy who made App and asked if he could send him gil in place of real money."
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A responce from a leader in Demo
lol, wow alittle sand in the vagina huh? hey atleast we don't spend 8+ hours in sky wasting our lives farming pop items. prolly just jealous we get discounts on items huh? hey get the beach out of your vagina.

lol.. you make it seem only demo hacks. /NO/ linkshell is completely legit so get the @#%^ over it. hey, you know what whm and smn's are useful jobs. Demo isn't so asstight about recruiting so shut the @#%^ up.

lol some linkshells habve their bad days, dont @#%^ing tell me your LS is perfect lol. cause you know what its not. you know im not gonna lie we might have a few hackers in demo but again you need to get over the fact that people hack. I bet that atleast 1 person in VV or w/e LS your in..
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A responce to Demo leader
Although demo doesnt keep most things a secret it seems, just watch them camp a king, if u cant tell they hack pull you must be retarded. It was funny because i remember the first time i really saw demo camping fafnir i noticed they all stood in the middle of the pit and i said "wtf are they doing all standing in the middle of the pit", ofcourse the obvious response was, "does it matter when you can 360 hack pull?". From that day i notice almost everytime a king pops behind me and demo pulls, the person standing infront of me facing the same way always does an action on it lol. Must be nice to claim no matter which way you are facing! Also dont even try the "using stnpc on another mob to target the nm when it pops" crap cuz on many occasions where ive seen this happen nothing was up to stnpc in the first place.

I think you might have more people on Garuda that like you than Kujata. LOL

You would say anything to not have your rep here as bad as your rep was on your previous server. Your the scum of this game that just wont die. All I can do is just wait for you to get banned and laugh in your faces.

OK seeing i haven't been at any kings/toahnms/wyrms camp since demo has arrived, I just want this info from cem and who ever from demo is on.

Since they have been on kujata, because garuda ls don't seem to like one another.

How many CFH calls were made by demo?
How many CFH calls were made by the kujata ls (all)?

How many Mpk attempts were made by demo?
How many Mpk attempts were made by the kujata ls (all)?

How many kirin's have been stolen by demo?
How many kirin's have been stolen by kujata ls (all)?

How many dynamis zones have been stolen by demo?
How many dynamis zones have been stolen by kujata ls (all)?

How many times has demo members come on this thread randomly and said @#%^ You Kujata?
How many times has Kujata People come on this thread and randomly said "@#%^ You" Demo?

Seriously they haven't @#%^ed anyone over yet (because you never know). They are competition and have beat the other Kings Ls so they aren't liked this doesn't mean they are here to burn kujata to the ground. /sigh

Cem you completely avoid my question tho. Truth be told they haven't @#%^ed over anyone yet. It's competition for you all and you don't like it, that is what it boils down to.

That was my point i know it was a fake pic, you do understand how easy it is to fake sh*t on the net right? You can fake posts all the time its not a hard thing Cem. You like to point out drama, right? TBC as all ls have drama. Spamming GM calls on bots that you don't really know if they have is clean sh*t tho right. If you can't beat someone cry until they get banned? But seriously answer my questions from before. This topic should have died long ago, simple thing Demo moved to Kujata they probably bot, they had mpk/steal history from a server of drama who all did nothing but this.