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Lol. You told them. /rollseyes

I think this is sad too. Because they're willing to sacrifice all their morals to satisfy their desire to get the best gear, they end up diluting the accomplishments of everyone else in the game who actually earned their stuff fair and square. And that's only the start of the negative impact you guys are having on FFXI too. It's a shame that a few always have to spoil things for the whole.

SE should do a big "@#%^ you" to botter shells like LM17 who monopolize landkings by making them force pop like ulli. Take fafnir for example, they could make the darters in the room drop a r/e item that pops fafnir, and fafnir could have a chane to drop a r/e item that pops nidhogg. So instead of the @#%^ botters camping three zones individually(usually) for 9 hours a day, they would have to camp all three zones 24 hours a day and continuously kill kings all day long. Eventually they would get bored,have to go to sleep,go to post office to pick up welfare check for their unemployed asses. Also while they are trying to continue their straglehold on king gear it would leave mobs like cerberus and tiamat for the linkshells that dont have mules at the pop spots telling them they are up.

Or they could go the intelligent route and make the KS99 landkings drop the same things as the normal ones.

thanks for the big news, everybody get out of ifrit while you can, women and small children first.

Head for the hills!

All other things being equal (ie. gear) I really doubt that.

Wow....

Well have fun botting all the land kings an whatever you want. As for me I will just have to have fun playing this game.

Ohhhh yeah just out of curiosity how much did you sell your soul for?

lol Fathoover, you act like there are no other linkshells who can kill the big HNMs in the game. If SPQR had a chance to claim landkings we would kill them pretty easily (we did for awhile before you botters united). We kill uncapped ouryu/baha2 usually once a week, tiamat is basically the same strategy as ouryu if you dont have an army and are lowmanning(which we do for everything). We dont do many ToA HNMs because either their drops arent worth it (beastmen bosses, Hydra), or they are camped by mules. We killed cerb before and im sure we could do it again. We can kill everything in sea (besides AV) with less than a full alliance and in many cases we duo them.

So find us a monster that you guys can kill with 18 people(or less) that we cant. The only things we cant kill are AV and maybe vrtra due to us not being a zoo linkshell(we have no intention of doing vrtra since we get plenty of manteels from baha2), all the bots in the world wont help you kill AV.

Edited, Jan 28th 2008 11:11pm by Ramsos

OP spelled the LS name wrong btw, only 2 Is, thanks.

I just hoped, by this thread Fhq, that in the occurance that people on FFXI were to hop on Alla, maybe they would read this, and take light of what is really going on and that it affects their gameplay just as well as others.

Automated reponces(sp) are being sent to players from GMs about calls about LM17(Wow fragment sentence!) GMs are ignoring any and all things about this certian subject at hand, Special Task Force most likely do not even know it exists. There are a few noteworthy GMs tho.

If anyone can recall, in 2004 there were Several JP players and a mix of NA players who did this very exact thing...rather they were all banned or deleted is unknown to me.

During that time they were either banned/semi-banned(some I would expect)-because it falls under the TOS's rules of Monopolizing Camps. Rather it be big, or small. It also falls under the rules of the TOS of not being allowed to sell rare/ex or EX items to the players of the FFXI economy.

Thats 2 counts of breaking TOS right now definatly punishable, now to look on how to "Prove" you bot, reguardless if you say you do or not in game would be ignored without asolute proof.

There are a couple of people who are looking into this now, and I have faith in their motives of what they are doing currently. Such a mass-scale monopolization, and the selling of Rare/ex and EX items would and definatly get the attention of SE, and possibly have GMs and the STF look into the matter. Sooner or later LM17 will slip up when this occurs.

If people would stop whining and complaining about the matter at hand(alot know who I am talking about..say something and don't do anything)We would be solving problems such as this, rather then watching it go by unnoticed.

The person to whom I refer to, got through to a noteworthy GM willing to listen to Ideas to fix problems instead of whining about it, talked face-to-face with SE, and soon, the Special Task Force. Something will be done sooner or later, or so I hope. If you all can help out, then maybe this 1-person effort right now, won't go to deaf ears.

I expect some comments(of course) from LM17 saying they are shaking in their boots /whoo no wai! But I promise you, if enough people join together, we will beat your a$$s down, and remove your filth from this server!

Rather any one cares about what I say, or rather they might taken light to this, I do not know. You all decide rather the botters stay, or rather they leave. I'll let it sit at that.

Edited, Jan 29th 2008 10:44am by Jarmarious

Better recheck your informant before you post we killed that Tiamat. Botting was the arguments since 2003. Try tell JP to stop botting kings and have a fair claim. Hope they listen to you.


Edited, Jan 29th 2008 9:52am by SkyeIfrit

Do you mean this one? on 1/27/2008
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To be fair we were attempting that thing with say 8 people, 2 or 3 of which were dual-boxes and we held for almost an hour until adds started to get messy, with 3 tanks - 2 of which had no fire builds (including me) since some of us don't tank as often as others.

So here is the rundown of what happened, we held for almost an hour and wiped, ps2 claimed and wiped somewhere in the 10% margin, JackyTeam claimed and let it regen about another 10%, they wiped and we claimed for the win.

So obviously you didn't know we killed, and I didn't even see you there - so make sure you know what happened before you throw out such remarks.

Fair enough, you got the kill. But you wiped. If you guys are going to trumpet the skill horn, don't wipe.

Also, I agree that kings camps are horribly, horribly broken. I understand why LM17 bots. If they didn't bot, then other linkshells who did bot would be the focal point of the original post. The bottom line is SE needs to fix their design and move the drops to some other more accessible activity that doesn't require linkshells like LM17 to cheat and screw over honest players. At least LM17 has the balls to stand up and say they bot, rather than hide behind a veil of lies. I suppose in some sick way that's admirable, but that admiration is short lived when those fuckers out-claim us. =P

Claiming that you don't care about what anyone thinks of you is laughable. That's the only reason you're all here arguing. It's the only reason you would risk compromising or being suspended from everything you accomplished so far. The very reason why you cheat is exactly that: because you care about what other people think of you.

And that's why I know it hurts to hear this: Because you've made that choice and been flagged as a cheater, anything and everything you accomplish now and ever in this game has been completely invalidated. Nobody who knows or matters will ever look at your gear and go "oh wow"; We will simply see a person who was so desperate for acceptance that thay paid somebody real money and circumvented the rules to attain some intangible video-game equipment in the hopes of validating themselves.



Nobody in your LS has a good reputation anymore.

You are coming off as quite the idiot. All members of LMXVII aren't here defending themselves to win people back, they are saying yeah and explaining (once again, not defending) and telling people to quit with the bitching because nothing is coming of this thread. Furthermore, I can't speak for anybody in particular because I'm not even in this game anymore, but the reason they "cheat" so to speak isn't necessarily because they care what others think (if they did they wouldnt be so open about it), but maybe for personal enjoyment. I dont blame people for getting sick of standing at a king camp for 5 hours only to walk away empty handed... for months on end.

As for whomever said that the shell is a bunch of people that could care less about each other and are only in it for gear, well... once again I can't speak for anybody in particular but i knew a good amount of atarii members before the merge, and can say that many of the people from that shell are rather close. Whether people were in it for the gear or not in the beginning, i know many members who ended up in LMXVII and many who did not still keep in touch to this day.

Once again, I was never in any of the mentioned shells so take this however you'd like it.

This is a video game. The whole point of it is for people to enjoy themselves, and that is what KoJ was getting at. Certain people want to risk their accounts in order to do so, so be it. There is more for you to do in this game than wait for your ridill. Why not enjoy the aspects of the game that are immune to bot-claiming? Einherjar, dynamis, salvage, Nyzul Isle? Or is it that you don't have the social competence to put together a decent group for any of the above? Regardless of what people think, members of FS and Atarii those who are and those who arent in LMXVII accomplished some impressive things in my eyes. You can sit around all day and be a skeptic about how certain people programmed a bot to level then 1-92 in 2 and a half hours while making sure to kill stray mary whenever she pops, no matter what zone the player is in. The truth of the matter is that these players are only taking a minimal shortcut.

In essence, to claim a king you will typically need three things. Time, skill and luck. All of the players are sitting at their computers waiting for the pop so if they do claim there isnt just a mass wipe. That's the time investment. The skill comes in when 5 people across 8-10 characters kills a king in 15 minutes. Excuse them for eliminating most of the luck in who can hit their stun macro at the right time when the window hits. Sure it isn't particularly fair to others camping, nor is it fair to you when some idiot cuts you off on the way to a gas station, and buys the winning lottery ticket that would've been yours. That's life.

I challenge your morality, work ethic and personal determination and you come back at me with some watered down comment about my abilities as a White Mage? Am I supposed to say touchê?

I'm sure your reputation is just fine within your little LS, which seems to be where you're all living. Maybe you've failed to notice how much there is to FFXI besides camping Kings, or even how there are alternatives to most of the gear which can be earned fair and square.

Real-life money? What rl money, our programs are made by a friend of the LS and none of us pay any money for the programs we use.

As far as us not caring about what you think, we don't, really, but as is common knowledge end-game of FFXI is boring, the only real thing left to do is cause drama / revel in it. For me anyways, this happens to be one of my most enjoyable experiences playing FFXI.

Truth be told, I don't care what any of you think, nor will I argue the position about skill or any other objective stance, however if there was a toss-up between which LS actually played the game to it's fullest extent, I'd say us and TTK are tied (they participating routinely in events like waking the beast, einherjar, and NMs like Gulool JaJa while we cover anything worth gil.) I'm well aware other LS do activities and events, but in terms of sheer scale of events I think this is reasonable fact.

I'm only posting because I personally, get a huge kick out of people being butthurt on our LS and calling all of us botters and cheaters and hackers.

The hard, solid facts of it are, despite me and Fqh having it out on BG, I recognize a valid point when I see it, his last post in this topic is hard fact. Until SE fixes the game, they're not going to do sh*t about us, wanna make petitions to SE? Want to report our names en-masse? Fine, go for it, you wasting your time when you could be actively enjoying the events that you participate in while playing FFXI is all laughs for us.

This /game/ needs fixing. Ever hear the expression 'building a better mousetrap'? This game is a solid example of it. You can ban the RMTs, and the botters, both will come back. You can break the tools, people will make better ones, until the actual root of the problem is addressed, whining and leaking your vaginas all over the respective FFXI online community does nothing.

Would I welcome an instancing to every HNM in game? Sure! Do I think I'm awesome for having an M. Body that I never use because I've had Ares' since before most of the NA community ever started salvage (think back to before last summer)? Nope, not one bit. King gear is not a sign of dominance, it just happens to be the sh*t you want to get if you want to be good at your jobs, I don't think any of us flaunt the Ebodies that half the server's endgame population has, it'd be like saying "Look! I'm as good as any normal player who dedicated more than 3 weeks to the aery!"

Sure, instancing would kill our ABJ sale market, we're pretty clever cats over here, I think we'll survive, survived for years without selling and we'll survive when they fix it. The point is, while your moral indignation towards us may seem justified, what you don't understand is there will ALWAYS, ALWAYS ALWAYS ALWAYS, be somebody else to take our spots, until the game is fixed.

You think there will be a time when legit players get their chance in this game as it is currently? Not on Ifrit, and not on Fenrir either, sure servers exist where everyone co-exists peacefully, but that's not us, and it never will be.

This game is immense fun if you choose to enjoy it, play it with your friends, start a scouting the ashu talif static, do ENMs, do assaults, if you people actually actively pursued the alternatives to kings SE has offered you I promise that you would make more money day by day than we do individually. How do I know this? Because I do every money event in this game, daily or as timers allow and I make more money from it than I do from cerberus cuts and the like.

Just seriously, there's so much to do, and I'd bet money that if you're here so butthurt about 5 year old content that I promise you isn't as fun as it looks you're also not experiencing the enjoyable events you can do with good, skilled friends.

We're not going anywhere, we're not going to get banned, anything we do is undetectable by GMs which is why it exists, you don't see us poshacking around or crazy sh*t like that, we're untouchable. Focus on fixing what is fixable, the content itself, or if that's too much for you and the tunnel vision you suffer from is too severe then I don't know, quit?

Join a LS with people who do KS99, einherjar, salvage, nyzul, assaults, dynamis, Ashu Talif, Mithran Trackers, ENMs, and then come complain to me about how awful it is that we're botting kings, I'll be waiting with open ears, because if you actively pursue these very profitable events there will be no complaints. You'll be rolling in gil while still participating in somewhat challenging events on a day-to-day basis at your leisure, not around solid 3hour window kings that aren't challenging at all.

I dono why people think if you can't claim HNM you can just go do Einherjar >_< I have tried it and I have also killed a couple HNM here and there... Einherjar is significantly harder and as far as I know only thing that drops body is Odin and I would dare anyone on this server to even get him to 30% because I doubt they could, doesn't matter how many HNM you can kill, hes like the king of HNMs.

My linkshell does most of the things you mentioned and im still mad that you guys bot kings Sath!!

But seriouly, you are right that if you guys just vanish, someone else will take your place as the botting shell. We had Ackz for awhile and im sure Valour still has bots. The botting problem wont be fixed unless they instance every HNM in the game. I personally did not get into endgame untill after the botting problem started. I have friends who did endgame back then though and I know what you guys went through with the JPs. You have to realize, you have become what you hated. You have to understand that this is the only way we(by we I mean people who refuse to cheat) have to vent our frustration. We see you people with landking gear and it gets some of us angry, regardless of if we have better gear already or not. Sure I would love to have a ridill for my war, or an Mbody for my pld. That will never happen unless SE fixes the problem. Einherjar was a weak solution to the problem. To win, you either need an army of people for the boss, or people with extremely good gear. And even with these things, you can still get screwed over by the layout. Like I said earlier, the easy and intelligent solution is to make KS99 landkings drop abjs.

Understandable, honestly, and you won't find me bitching about people hating us for legitimate reasons and with actual logic, I don't mind it and I do understand it.

I just feel that the OP, and the general demeanor of the thread besides your posts and a few others is that of an infant throwing a tantrum. Much flailing and crying and not a whole lot of progress comes out from this, or any of the threads like it.

Like I said, I too would love a fix, kings often land smack in the middle of time I'd like to be doing other things, including salvage, and that's where the fix needs to come from.

And regarding dalm and crimson body, while yeah you have valid points, sh*t is situational and yeah wooo dring, good luck, but it's a very reasonable alternative and in many cases better or just as good. The real choices you have are to actively pursue what you can, make money on the way as you do it and afford the morrigans / hq errant body for enfeebing, or cry about it on forums that won't get anything changed. Like I said relating to ramsos, I understand the outrage, but you can be outraged and take full advantage of the alternatives, or you can be outraged and sit back and pray we all get banned.

It's really everyone's own personal choice at the end of the day, but I'm going to be leveling RDM soon, and I'd personally much rather a morrigan's robe than a dalmy, and I'll be using RDM pretty exclusively for solo.

lolol I still lurv you noodle <3<3

people buy gil to buy abj from LM17 the end... >_>

Couldnt have said it any better myself fhq.

Obviously not people who ask stupid rhetorical questions..

AM I RIGHT!?!?! LMAO!