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#1 Dec 17 2007 at 9:54 AM Rating: Decent
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Sometime in the last 10 hours, my account was hacked. All of my gear worth anything has been sold off for less than worth.

Only sites I visit regularly: ffxiah, somepage, and alla.

I have never cheated on this game, and never severely hurt anybody in this game.
I've always tried to be nice to people, maybe a little to nice to some people's girlfriends *wink* ;b. I have had a lot of bad luck in linkshells, and some personality conflicts with people, but in the end, I considered myself a somewhat nice person.. but whatever... It's over now, My account is gone, and SE won't do anything per usual. 3 years down the tubes.

I'm probably one of very few people to have capped their friendlist out. 200 is the limit, and did you know if you have a capped friend list and try to add a friend, you get wierd error codes, some in Japanese even if you have the english client.

Anyway, I didn't have anybody's stuff on me, cuz i rarely borrow anything. My character had a whopping 80k gil, and about 6 mil in equipment. I had 5 mules PACKED to the hilt with misc gear, nothing expensive, full inventories, full mogsafe.

Main Character: Setzor
Mules: Thegimp(armor), Pimptaru(gardener), Khaotix(weapons), Reznoir(accessories), Djx(jeuno galka bazaar/ah)

I don't know where Setzor is now, or what will become of him, but I miss him dearly. The thought of my little taru being controlled by some greasy RMT makes my eyes well up with tears. I just spent a fortune going to fanfest, was just getting into WoTG, I had so many plans for the future, but SE won't help me, what can I do? nothing... Just another victim of circumstance I guess. Bitter irony that the websites i trusted for information ended up killing me.

I won't be coming back, I won't start over, I won't take anybody elses character.

It's done.

Bye,
Setzor of Ifrit
The Setz™

#2 Dec 17 2007 at 10:11 AM Rating: Decent
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Both ffxiah and somepage are compromised with the RMT keylogger.
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#3 Dec 17 2007 at 10:29 AM Rating: Decent
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Set noooooooooo ;_; sorry buddy, wish you all the best irl.
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#4 Dec 17 2007 at 12:05 PM Rating: Decent
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Oh wow. I'm really saddened to hear this happened to you Setz. Keep calling their customer service # to see if you can possibly get your account restored with your rare/ex gear.

If that does not work out, best of luck to you and your wife Minnet in RL.
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#5 Dec 17 2007 at 12:22 PM Rating: Decent
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Real sorry to hear this Setz. You were always a good guy. Don't blame you for not starting over, I couldn't. SE needs to get off their asses and do something about this bs.
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#6 Dec 17 2007 at 1:16 PM Rating: Good
Sorry to hear about this Setz. We had some times together back in XxOMEGAxX; Kys and I both wish you and Minnet best of luck irl.
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#7 Dec 17 2007 at 1:17 PM Rating: Decent
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Aww man that sucks. SE need to get off their backsides and get this sorted out. Seems they only care if an account is being paid for. Their focus is sadly on $$$ rather than on Customer Service.

I really hope you can convince them to give you your account back Setz >< Keep bugging the **** out of them.

Take care

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#8 Dec 17 2007 at 2:03 PM Rating: Decent
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****... sorry to hear about this Setzor. I'll miss seeing you run around.

People, make sure if you have RealPlayer installed that you have it updated, or just uninstall it. There is a security flaw in it that is more than likely at the heart of the trojans allowing people to hack accounts.
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#9 Dec 17 2007 at 2:17 PM Rating: Decent
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The character selling all of my stuff:

if you can safely browse this website:

http://www.ffxiah.com/player.php?id=1097436

#10 Dec 17 2007 at 2:22 PM Rating: Default
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wow this entire **** thing is really ******* me off. SEs reaction of this should be enough to put them out of business... I don't even care if it is alot of work for them at this point when 100s of people are loosing sometimes 5000-15000 hours of play time with posability for 1000s more they need to ******* do something... its past the point of publicly admitting their system is of account security is outdated and needs revision.
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#11 Dec 17 2007 at 2:35 PM Rating: Decent
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Setz, can you screenshot the link you posted? I for one am not opening FFXIAH at the moment. Is it Moonbank or Sunbank?
#12 Dec 17 2007 at 2:41 PM Rating: Decent
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http://setzor.net/ffxiah.gif

the items with crappy black arrows pointing at them are mine.

what's really awesome, i JUST got my brutal earring yesterday morning, and never got to use it cuz i was on rdm all day yesterday...

now i'll never get to know what a brutal earring feels like on my ninja :(


the royal cloak, trance belt, and fire bomblet were Chronin's.


Edited, Dec 17th 2007 5:48pm by Setzor
#13 Dec 17 2007 at 6:43 PM Rating: Good
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Daveman here,
For all its worth I'm deeply sorry for your loss. Your a good friend and will be missed. Fight like **** to get your acct back, talk to bosses and bosses bosses. It will be your only recourse. They cant hang up on you and they got to listen^^. Just make sure you get their names. Maybe if you can track what site you got the logger you can get funky on them too. In the end, I guess you can dispute the charges for all time if they wont reset you password. I've been hearing that they wont reset if you cant prove the current billing address, in essence you cant prove your the owner. So if your not the owner they been stealing your CC payments. I'm just rambling cause im MAD as he11. So keep your chin up and fight^^.

Setz the uber taru
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#14 Dec 18 2007 at 4:44 AM Rating: Decent
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my deepest condolences about this setz, though i dont really know you^^. anyway.

another thought about this is, that if SE for instance would support the community with more direct info on how things in the game worked, there wouldnt be a need of that many different sites which ppl use, ergo less the chance you get to a low trustworthy site which is in what way ever hacked.

while the chance is unrealistically slim actually, if you could find out who personally hacked your account, you should soooooo sue this person. figuring out the net work hours you spend in there, plus the idealistic loss, he/she should pay for it the next 20000000000000million years.

the main problem i see about this is, that SE should improve their services in receving an account back. like a system/protocol/whatsoever which logs basicly "every" of your actions and can be accessed if there is a dispute to look into the matter. for instance, you probably could prove if some1 logged onto your account from a different ip. that naturally would make things complicated if ppl have dynamic ip´s or when they change their internet provider^^.

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#15 Dec 18 2007 at 5:20 AM Rating: Good
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****, not another one. This crap is really getting out of hand. I didnt know you well setzor, only in passing, but had many friends that knew and respected you, and this just sucks. Stand on SE with both feet, tho i know it prolly wont help much. Sorry to see this happen again, while SE stands idly by and watches it.
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#16 Dec 18 2007 at 7:08 AM Rating: Good
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Setzor!
Does Nia and the rest of SeventhCircle know of this??

That sucks!
#17 Dec 18 2007 at 7:19 AM Rating: Decent
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Today's my birthday! Yay 28 years old ;b 30 creeping up on meh.

You know... While I'm still grieving over my character's loss, and the repeated calls to SE have resulted in smug responses and coy scenarios on why even though I can prove my name, my original address, my POL ID, my date of birth, the day i signed up, the exact minute i hit level 75 on my first Job, I'm just not getting my account back without a court ordered subpoena... Ok, I don't know how many of you guys are lawyers, but I have no idea what the **** a subpoena is, and how the **** to get a court ordered subpoena. And you know what? I don't WANT to know. From the sounds of it, it's some kinda search warrant for information. They don't provide any information on getting one or anything, so that avenue is just a punt off to the "local authorities" for fraud. "Fraud" or not, getting a lawyer and getting a subpoena just isn't freakin realistic for me! I have a wife and 2 kids, expenses are tight enough. And what are the Dallas FBI or Dallas Police really gonna do about a Chinese RMT organization anyway? ZILCH!

SE support simply does not care about your account or you getting it back unless you can provide information that can be changed in under 60 seconds after your account is compromised.

The ONLY way to get your account back is to provide the CURRENT address and credit card information on the account. This guy, sitting there, could probably change my password by the press of a button and a few keystrokes, and yes, i'd have a ton of issues to deal with, such as: character transferred to god knows where, and all my stuff missing, but whatever, considering my awesome number of in-game friends, I probably wouldn't have much to worry about. It's not about the stuff, it's about getting back what is rightfully MINE. This is the RMT's blatant lash-back at SE for shutting off a major source of income for them. SE Started this war. But now my character is a P.O.W., metaphorically speaking, and SE isn't gonna rescue me. Just gonna let my character get recruited into the RMT ranks as just another pawn for them to use and lose.

My Setzor is going to get banned and be known on whatever server he's on as a RMT. THAT'S what ****** me off the most.

SE should've expected this. They should've taken steps. My freakin internet domain account has a secret question that is literally the ONLY way to get my account back in case it's stolen. This isn't some new technique, it's been something used since I can remember. This is like someone stealing your car and the police saying "well unless you can tell me the address the people who stole it took it too, we're not gonna get it back for you"

I know my account isn't something physical that can be looked for, like a car, but considering that the Credit Card and Address can be as easily changed as driving a car from one house to the next, THAT'S NOT GOOD ENOUGH OF A SECURITY VERIFICATION, I'M SORRY...

I've gone 20 rounds with SE and I'm tired, Whatever motivation to play has been crushed, and I won't be recommending this game to my friends anymore.

Me, and people like me are merely casualties of war I suppose. The bitter truth is, that nobody in the game really cares unless it happens to them. I accept that and are moving on. All of you trying to stir up some initiative to make SE "REALISE THEIR MISTAKE", are too little too late.

They will probably implement a new security measure after the fact, but for us caught in the middle, there's nothing SE will do. SE provides no address or any phone numbers other than a 858 number to their Customer Service center, which is probably a buncha monkeys sitting in a sea of cubicles with their pre-thought out scripts that they run through to get you off the phone ASAP and maintain good call averages. I did Internet phone support for 5 years, I know the drill..

I appreciate all those fighting for me, and if it gets me my Setzor back, words can't and won't be able express my gratitude. SE is the biggest Notorious Monster of them all, and all they seem to drop are customers.


Sorry about lengthy post,
But thank you for your time,

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Died a P.O.W. to a Chinese RMT.
#18 Dec 18 2007 at 8:10 AM Rating: Decent
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I found another avenue of defense. Call your CC company and claim Identity theft. They got free layers and free tools to put bad marks on SE. Might be worth looking into.
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#19 Dec 18 2007 at 11:15 AM Rating: Decent
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Setz... OMG. I can't begin to express how sorry I am to hear this. You and Minnie have been great friends, and great players. I hope you have the time to fight like **** and perhaps, through some miracle, get your account back. In the meantime, if there's anything Nia or I can do for you, send me a PM on the linkshell website.

{/comfort}
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#20 Dec 18 2007 at 11:56 AM Rating: Decent
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How the **** does SE not think your account was taken? SERIOUSLY.

How can you move to China/Japan, sign onto a bank, get a credit/debit card, move into a house, get internet set up, move your crap into your home, connect the internet, log into POL and change your account and payment info all in a matter of 10 FRIGGIN HOURS.

Seriously, how freakin dumb can SE be.
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#21 Dec 18 2007 at 7:58 PM Rating: Good
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SETZOR, call SE and say you want to change your password dont say anything else. someone in the general fourms got them to change the PW and recover their acct by providing their REG keys. Keep calling until you get a CSR that will do it.
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#22 Dec 18 2007 at 9:14 PM Rating: Decent
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were they EU or US... seems the EU accounts don't have to verify credit card information like us US players do. they just have to provide POL registration codes as verification... If i call them up and request a password change they are gonna ask me for the first and last sets of digits on my credit card on file. EVERY time i've called, and I've called quite a few times trying to get someone to help me, they immediately ask for POL ID, Name, and then my credit card digits. That's it. No amount of begging, guilt tripping, convincing, proof, etc. that you can give them on the phone helps. Believe me, I've hit it from every angle. Right now my tarutaru is on Quetz being operated by an RMT farming in lufaise meadows: http://www.qcdn.org/ffxi/showthread.php?t=52914

I am afraid I'm very close to losing all hope on this matter. SE is hiding behind their BS policy on this one. All it does is protect the guilty. That much is obvious. I wouldn't recommend anybody play this game, even if I was paid to do it. The part that hurts the most is that I shook hands with these people at fanfest, that i spent a fortune to attend. So motivated and hopeful for the things to come, now all I wanna do is scream to their faces what I'm really feeling right now.

To all of you who managed to not get screwed, enjoy your time while it lasts. And to all of you who are taking smug attitudes towards those of us who have been victimized, coming up with your own theories to make yourself look smart and get attention, I hope you're next. The pain and suffering from this tragedy is beyond belief. I don't think I've ever felt this helpless and violated ever.

Sincerely,
Setzor of Ifrit.

#23 Dec 18 2007 at 9:50 PM Rating: Decent
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OMG no!

Setzor, you and Minnet have been such wonderful friends to me since nearly the beginning of me starting to play this game so many years ago. I will never forget your kindness and friendship and I will miss you terribly.

I can't believe this has happened to you. Don't stop trying to get your account back!!!

;_;

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#24 Dec 18 2007 at 10:12 PM Rating: Decent
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How the **** does SE not think your account was taken? SERIOUSLY.

How can you move to China/Japan, sign onto a bank, get a credit/debit card, move into a house, get internet set up, move your crap into your home, connect the internet, log into POL and change your account and payment info all in a matter of 10 FRIGGIN HOURS.

Seriously, how freakin dumb can SE be.


SE Customer Support likes to give you great analogies on the possibilities on why you are calling so that they don't have to help you.

In my case, they brought up some BS about "look at it from our side, what if you and your girlfriend got in a fight, and blah blah blah" Once he started rambling that nonsense I almost went deaf with an anxiety attack. I wasn't about to sit there and listen to that garbage.

No, SE's first assumption is that you sold your account and want it back for whatever reason, to defraud someone, to hurt someone, etc.

They stick by that, and it keeps them safe in their eyes.

Unless this problem reaches into the several hundreds of accounts, SE will probably just brush it off as an isolated incident. A little over a hundred accounts getting lost is no big deal to them. The voices of those 100 will eventually fade due to hopelessness and helplessness. I don't mean to bring everybody down, especially those who have been victimized, but lets be realistic here. Is it any real big surprise? Hundreds of accounts or more probably get reported as hacked a year, and probably 75% are bs claims, 20% are just people trying to steal an account, and the other 5% are probably legitimate. I have no basis on those numbers, but given my time in Internet tech support over the years. Tech support companies LOOOOVE to pass the buck. The Customer support Reps aren't paid to care, they are paid to maintain a nice smooth average call time. In and out, nice and easy. They are given scripts to help them shorten the call times. They are given a set of strict support boundaries as to be able to turn away over 50% of the inbound callers within the first minute of the call. I know the GM's work directly for SE, but I doubt this call center does. They probably have around 30 or so guys working at some rent-a-call-center company. I know for a fact that IdSoftware did the same thing, as does all the rest of the big companies. These support reps are probably making around 10-15/hr and therefor will do anything to meet the guidelines of their jobs as to not lose their meager wages.

That's about all I have to add for now.

Again, thanks for your support.

See ya,
Setzor
#25 Dec 18 2007 at 11:06 PM Rating: Decent
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Pikko,

In case you are reading this, my wife(Minnet) was the woman dressed up as the "naked" tarutaru at FanFest that you took a picture of, and later sent to her. I don't know how much of a connection you have with SE, but we're dying here...I didn't sell my account to RMT, yet RMT control it on Quetz server. I don't expect you to help me, but it seems our options are running out :(





#26 Dec 19 2007 at 2:10 AM Rating: Decent
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shatting **** setz!

rostof here..

i dont condone this but....
i reckon you need someone to steal Setz back for you........
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#27 Dec 19 2007 at 6:58 AM Rating: Default
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well this really sucks... I don't think SE will leave it for to long they are getting really bad reviews on this entire thing. Alot of veteran players with alot of friends are being affected by this and SE knows I just hope they do whats right and restore accounts to wear they were... I mean they should have back ups or something done like once a month. They would be stupid not to do that. Either way if I lost my char and they told me the best they could do was was reset it to December first I would be like alright... and it would be so easy to see who did it... anyone who phoned in and had their address replaced to some place in Asia or the CC replaced to some foreign credit card company would be those who were targeted.
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#28 Dec 19 2007 at 7:59 AM Rating: Decent
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Setz Ultimodragon here. Its a load of horse **** thats goin on here with all these accounts. Do a couple of things that will possibly get SE's attention. 1)Call the BBB givin it isnt a huge hit I did it once and the company I did it on got a nasty call from the BBB to the CEO. 2)Like some other ppl have recomended call the CC company and dispute every CC charge that SE put on your CC. While you may not get anything back from it that will definitely put a hassle bar into SE's machine. 3)After you do all this make sure you call PO and tell them what you have dont and speak to a supervisor while it may not result in an instant replacement of your acct I would throw in a BS statment that you have told the several other people to do the same thing so expect alot of **** then just straight up hang up. I dunno if this will do anything but **** i would be ****** and if ima be ****** you better believe I would make SE *******
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#29 Dec 19 2007 at 6:45 PM Rating: Decent
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Setz, I am in shock. I just got back from Australia to see this heartwrenching news. You've been a good friend for as long as I can remember in this game and I'll do anything I can to help you get Setzor back. I've already done the satisfaction survey and I'll be contacting SE tomorrow to get on their case.

It goes without saying that if you need help getting your stuff back, I'll do everything I possibly can.

In the meantime, take care of yourself and that beautiful family until we can get this all sorted out.

Nia
#30 Dec 19 2007 at 7:48 PM Rating: Good
Setzor i am really sorry this has happen to you. It really makes me upset when someone gets there account stolen from them. Even if i dont like them it is still awful way to happen to anyone. SE should make it that if your account adress is move more than 50 miles you would need to verbally confirm some account information. I hate how SE is handling this rash of stolen accounts but if they dont want to do something maybe we as players will have to take action.
#31 Dec 19 2007 at 9:57 PM Rating: Decent
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Aww T.H.X., are you saying you don't like me :'( j/k. Thank you everybody. Still trying to keep my chin up in this situation. I'm not the only one feeling the pain from this, and it's awesome how all the servers are coming together to try to get this figured out. Really shows the power of this community when we join forces. SE may have messed up, but I believe they are gonna work for the greater good of their players. After repeated conversations with different people at SE, I'm finally able to be somewhat at ease that they are gonna get me my Setzor back, but there's still that lingering doubt. I hope everyone victimized gets back what's rightfully theirs.

--Setzor
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maybe when you get Setz back you'll find 3 other jobs levelled to 75 lol
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#33 Dec 20 2007 at 2:08 AM Rating: Good
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You know you got all of Revenge behind you. I posted on every server forum on here the link for that petition that your wife found... and Anu posted on killingifrit.. although his posts were deleted soon after because he was spamming the forums. I'm hoping everyone who reads our posts will sign it so that something can start getting done about this. I refuse to believe that we've lost you forever. I know we'll see you again soon on the linkshell and on the game under rightful ownership.
#34Pandoraxero, Posted: Dec 20 2007 at 4:28 AM, Rating: Sub-Default, (Expand Post) Fyona - in case you didn't get the message i left in your thread in my home forum of Asura, you've been relentlessly rated down by me in all but 4 of your posts. Spamming is not appropriate, no matter who's doing it or for what purpose.
#35 Dec 20 2007 at 9:18 AM Rating: Decent
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Fyona - in case you didn't get the message i left in your thread in my home forum of Asura, you've been relentlessly rated down by me in all but 4 of your posts. Spamming is not appropriate, no matter who's doing it or for what purpose.


This is something that EVERYBODY should be aware of. I commend Fyona in helping getting the word out. Had some of us had earlier warning a majority of us wouldn't be in this mess. Rate down all you want, this issue is way above yours and anybody elses personal opinions and pet peaves.

#36 Dec 20 2007 at 12:15 PM Rating: Default
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ffxi.allakhazam.com/forum.html?forum=10;mid=1198112653273628371;num=28;page=1

the topic had already been brought up. subsequent instances classify as spam. and that's not personal opinion, that's definition.

If someone wants to bring a topic back, they may do so, but NOT THIRTY-TWO different times in THIRTY-TWO different subforums with THIRTY-TWO duplicate posts.

Edited, Dec 20th 2007 3:28pm by Pandoraxero
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#37 Dec 20 2007 at 12:42 PM Rating: Decent
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spam or not, if it was your 3 years of legitimate work washed away in a single moment, or a friend you've been with for that large amount of time, you would let emotions take over, and do whatever you thought it would take to correct the situation. Not saying it's right or wrong. But please understand the heart of the situation here.

and now that this thread has been completely de-railed by the previous person, things seem to be quieting down, lets hope it's the "calm before the storm".



Edited, Dec 20th 2007 4:03pm by Setzor
#38Pandoraxero, Posted: Dec 20 2007 at 12:57 PM, Rating: Sub-Default, (Expand Post) Were it not for your kin, that would not have happened. Had that thought crossed your mind?
#39 Dec 20 2007 at 12:59 PM Rating: Good
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Pandoraxero wrote:
ffxi.allakhazam.com/forum.html?forum=10;mid=1198112653273628371;num=28;page=1

the topic had already been brought up. subsequent instances classify as spam. and that's not personal opinion, that's definition.

If someone wants to bring a topic back, they may do so, but NOT THIRTY-TWO different times in THIRTY-TWO different subforums with THIRTY-TWO duplicate posts.

Edited, Dec 20th 2007 3:28pm by Pandoraxero


Why don't you take your dumb *** back where you came from. We aren't interested in anything you have to say. Setz is a very well liked person on our server and as he said this IS a server wide issue. Take your negativity and go back to momma. In other words, **** off *****.
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#40Pandoraxero, Posted: Dec 20 2007 at 1:20 PM, Rating: Sub-Default, (Expand Post) You'd be well-advised to not confuse objectivity and negativity. If there exists a problem, the initial primary concern in solving it would be finding the cause on an individual basis, then summarily eliminating that cause, rather than complaining about it.
#41 Dec 20 2007 at 1:26 PM Rating: Decent
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Looks like you don't have to worry about rating people at all anymore, ******. Enjoy your non-scholar status.

Edit: I rated several people up, since this self-appointed moderator decided to rate people down. The last thing Setz needs right now is some holier-than-thou jackass to make a bad situation worse.

Edited, Dec 20th 2007 1:29pm by Fhqwghads
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#42 Dec 20 2007 at 1:28 PM Rating: Decent
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Face it. You had it coming.


Got at least 400+ people that would tell you otherwise.

I love my friends, and I let them know on a daily basis, be it in just going through my capped out friendlist just to say hi, or when I see them in passing.
I help people I don't know all the time. I convince people that want to quit to stay. I couldn't ask for a greater crowd to be around as my fellow Ifrit players. I don't hate ANYBODY except the cheating/hacking RMT's.

I have been a PC Technician for almost a Decade. I've worked for various major ISP's as a service tech and phone support rep. Namely SouthwesternBell / PacificBell / SBC twice(both in dial-up and DSL). I am aware of all forms of Internet protection/prevention/reaction. Don't assume for a second that you have ANY idea what kind of network topology I have setup in my home, and what kind of software I run on my boxes. Also, don't assume anybody else cares what you have to say here.

You come off as an angsty teenager starved for any attention. Nobody complained but you, yet probably hundreds saw it already. You went out of your way to look through all the server forums just to find grounds to start a fight. And then on top of that you come here trying to insult my friends and my intelligence. I've had enough of that from SE.

During stressful/heartbreaking times like these, the last thing we need is players turning on eachother for whatever reason. Why don't you put as much energy into helping us as you have into trying to argue and pick fights with us. But alas, you apparantly think all of us "had it coming". So the point is really moot isn't it.

I won't be posting in this forum anymore after this post. The next time any of you guys will hear me speak will be when SE returns me back to Ifrit server.

See you, my friends, thanks again for the support you've shown. If worse come to worse, None of you guys will be forgotten.

Your friend,
Setzor


#43 Dec 20 2007 at 1:50 PM Rating: Decent
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Noooo. :o The little taru that slapped my *** all the time. :< Sorry to see you go hon, I didn't know you well, or much at all for that matter. Never heard anything bad about you though, and you were always pretty nice anytime I spoke to you.

To anyone who wants to avoid possibly being hacked in the future Avast! Anti-virus is a great tool and there's a free trial that you can download, it works really well. It will restart your computer to run in safe mode to delete any trojans, spyware or adware that is more easily hidden while your computer is running and then it runs on your computer to help protect it. I found spyware on my computer the other night and had it immediately removed with Avast.

I'm sorry this happened to you, again, Setz. :< If you ever come back and need any help getting on your feet lemme know, I can understand how ****** it must be, if anything happened to Ria I'd be upset. :( Happened to my friend Sharmat too.

Here's that URL for the avast download though: For anyone that might want an extra system to scan their comp: http://www.avast.com/eng/download-avast-home.html
#44Pandoraxero, Posted: Dec 20 2007 at 1:58 PM, Rating: Sub-Default, (Expand Post) Thank you all. You have truly brought a smile to my face. The fact that you rate posts up that flame one who is trying to bring you the light of logic, whereas you rate DOWN that very person does not cease to amaze me. Your opinions of me mean nothing. If you think I CARE about my status, you're dead wrong. Status reflects the views of hypocrites. Anyone who disagrees with "popular" opinion is summarily rated down to oblivion for expressing his honest opinions, even if he is doing so in a way that was not in any way intended to offend. Never once did I insult any one of you, and yet, I was called all of the following:
#45 Dec 20 2007 at 2:38 PM Rating: Decent
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...and yet, I am the bad guy

Maybe because you could have dropped the Forum Police Badge for a minute here. It wouldn't have interfered with your life one bit to just ignore the cross posting on this issue. Instead you come here and 1. Wave around an attitude. 2. Insult those who lost their accounts. 3. Continue to come back and make the situation worse.

Edited, Dec 20th 2007 5:38pm by LindorieIfrit
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#46 Dec 20 2007 at 3:01 PM Rating: Decent
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"angsty teenager starved for any attention" (which, by no means is true. I am, in fact, 21 years of age)

So basically your telling us that your either a big *** jerk who should know better or you are a 21 year old with the mentality of a 13 year old.
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#47Pandoraxero, Posted: Dec 20 2007 at 3:03 PM, Rating: Sub-Default, (Expand Post) Well, look who's instigating now.
#48 Dec 20 2007 at 7:06 PM Rating: Good
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If your rating me down, then subsequently comming on here and insulting a dear friend of mine and the thousands of other people who have had their accounts stolen, has served to get the word out more, then I humbly thank you for the attention you have garnered for the cause.

And while I notice that you said you rated me down... I still have a rating of Decent and you no longer have rating privilages. So at least I know that there are some people out there who actually give a rip about their fellow players and want to help them out.

Edited, Dec 20th 2007 7:06pm by Fyona
#49Pandoraxero, Posted: Dec 21 2007 at 12:39 AM, Rating: Sub-Default, (Expand Post) if, by providing an objective point of view, i come off as insulting, whose fault is that? not mine. I'm stating facts. If I'm coming off as cold, mean, whatever, that would be because you can't handle the truth, told exactly how it is, in an objective way. Would you rather I lie to you, tell you i care, that I hope everything gets fixed, whereas really it has no effect on me and i don't care, and i'm actually bullsh*tting you... or would you rather i tell you that up-front? Face it. The truth hurts. So does honesty. If you haven't learned that by now, maybe you need to live a little while longer.
#50 Dec 21 2007 at 4:42 AM Rating: Good
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Pandoraxero wrote:
if, by providing an objective point of view, i come off as insulting, whose fault is that? not mine. I'm stating facts. If I'm coming off as cold, mean, whatever, that would be because you can't handle the truth, told exactly how it is, in an objective way. Would you rather I lie to you, tell you i care, that I hope everything gets fixed, whereas really it has no effect on me and i don't care, and i'm actually bullsh*tting you... or would you rather i tell you that up-front? Face it. The truth hurts. So does honesty. If you haven't learned that by now, maybe you need to live a little while longer.


You like to refer to your point of view as objective when it in fact it is not. It is subjective. I suggest you look in a dictionary and see the difference. What you keep pandering are not facts, is not Truth (with a capital T), it is opinion. Your opinions are your own and you have every right to them, but don't try to come across all self-righteous as if your opinions should be regarded as more than they are.

You denigrate and demean the rating system on Alla once you become the target, yet you several times attempted to use it (when you had the ability) against others, making a point to let them know that you were doing so. That is rather hypocritical of you wouldn't you say? You were quite full of yourself and you have been deflated. Your current attempts at seeming impartial and objective fall just as flat.

I truly do thank you for some seriously hilarious Friday morning laughs however. This statement; "If you haven't learned that by now, maybe you need to live a little while longer." really had me rolling. Oh yes, please regale us with the wisdom of your 21 years of experience. What have you done in that 21 years that you have gained so much wisdom?

Are you a Combat veteran? Did you raise your siblings from a young age? Did you suffer the struggles of an abusive childhood? Are you a father/mother who works/worked hard every day to feed and clothe their children, sacrificing their own welfare so they might have a better life? Have you perhaps survived the death of a dearly loved wife/husband? Which of life's struggles has imparted such wisdom and knowledge in one so young? These are a few of my own life experiences and I don't consider myself yet wise. If you haven't shared these events of life or their like I doubt you have much to impart of life to me, or to anyone else for that matter.

You in fact show your own immaturity and LACK of wisdom in your own statement, "Would you rather I lie to you, tell you i care, that I hope everything gets fixed, whereas really it has no effect on me and i don't care," which shows a complete deficiency in empathy and concern for others. It identifies you as someone who has never struggled, never done without for anyone else, never sacrificed. In fact, you paint a picture of one who is self-centered, selfish, immature, and anything but wise or learned. Therefore, one who's opinions are faulty, who's conclusions are suspect.

In closing, you have nothing of value to say, nothing of worth to impart, nothing to teach, nothing to give. You may now leave.
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#51 Dec 21 2007 at 6:24 AM Rating: Decent
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Setzor, I'm so sorry to hear about this. I hope everything works out and you come back soon. We all miss you.

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