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#1 Feb 10 2007 at 7:30 PM Rating: Decent
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Self-explanitory. I felt BST needed a group place, since we don't really have a BST linkshell on Gilgamesh.

Anyway, this is just another thread to be in the help center for now. Turn it into what you will.
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There are 2 BST oriented shells on Gilgamesh. Icefire and another one (and although I know the people's names who run it, I cannot remember them. Pretty sure Cutaru is one of them involved with it, but completely blanking on the others, so one of them needs to see this and help me out).

Edit: As noted in my post below, its Eggers and Drawven who run (ran?) the other shell. I'd appreciate if anyone who knows them could get them to chime in here about their status :)

Edited, Feb 11th 2007 3:27pm by pogle
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Self-explanitory. I felt BST needed a group place


Or, you know... like the BST forums.

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Icefire isn't a BST ls, but a normal ls with 4-5 BST's in it. And a very unhospitable place. I've never heard of the other one.

If you were looking for someone to duo with, I'm up for it. Just make sure you haven't forgot how to be a BST in all that NIN, BRD, and not playing time.
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We're definitely inhospitable to jerks who enjoy slinging insults at their LS members, I'll agree with you there; small wonder you left. Need to work on your counting skills though. Darn near everyone in the shell plays BST to some degree or another, and for many its their only love in the game :P

As for the other shell, I'm thinking it might be Eggers who started it up in conjunction with a couple others. I'm not really in the habit tracking random LSs though, so thats still the best recollection of it I have. I know it was mentioned in the BST forums a while back, in the last post when Louis trolled me as a matter of fact. I'll dig into my post history to see what I can find and edit.

Edit: Yar, its Eggers and Drawven. Cutaru was in the thread but not part of things. Name is supposed to be LordOfTheBeasts. I dont really see them around much, so not sure if its still active. Can't hurt interested BSTs to give them a shot, if Icefire is too scary a place for ya.

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Icefire is neither scary nor fun in my experience. It's not really a BST shell either. Nothing against it, people that level BST pass through there from time to time. Matrim and Naatdog seem to be pretty active on it, but you probably won't find a lot of all BST activities there or anywhere.

There is no BST shell on Gilgamesh, nor is there really any call for one. I traveled that road when BST was my highest job at like 50. Barring the return of Asklepios, I doubt there will ever be call for a full shell. If Kaku is the leadership calling for one, then its doomed. All you BSTs can hope that the community rises up against my premonition, but it's unlikely. But if you do, I have some jugs for you!

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cefire is neither scary nor fun in my experience.


Says another person kicked for his total lack of respect for others. I'd almost say its a shame that so few BSTs besides the few that actively hate me read these forums, but then again if constant alla server forum involvement breeds BBS and Louis clones, no small loss that so few of them come here. Have fun trolling all you want after this post, I'm not responding further except to legitimate questions. Maybe someday you guys can get over this whole childish vendetta thing, hm?

On topic, the premise on which Icefire calls itself a BST-oriented shell is that it was an established LS already, with many BSTs already, and doesn't suffer from the BST-only shell problem of people already having their own active shells, thus leaving the BST shell empty most of the time save for one lonely BST (as was the case in the one and only true-BST shell Askle ran ages ago, Elysium). We dont claim to even have a large percentage of the BSTs on the server, and we're certainly not doing the cool stuff like all-BST Kirins like on some servers (and likely never will), but we get by as a safe haven offering advice and help with all those game details for BSTs of all ages.

Bottom line: Try stuff yourself and form your own opinions, whether its Icefire, Egger's group, or even your own attempt at forming one. But as has been noted many times, most endgame-level BSTs are already in their own endgame normal shells, and cannot devote the time to a BST-only linkshell.
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Kaku- I appologize for hijacking your thread but...

While I can appreciate that BBS and Pog have issue with each other (as an acquaintance and friend respectively, I know them both to have strong personalities which conflict, which does happen in our great world), Louis, way out of line. I don't know how long it's been since you were in Icefire, but I've called it my home in game for more than a year. It's full of people I am am very fond of, who will bend over backwards to help people who are both new and long standing members of the shell, and pretty much *everyone* in the shell (minus a few) have a love for BST in some way or another.

/rant. Sorry, it really bothers me when people with an agenda about one person make sweeping negative generalizations about a bunch of likable, awesome people.
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>.> Hey, I don't care. This thread was just for the sticky.

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Anyway, this is just another thread to be in the help center for now. Turn it into what you will.


Have a **** of a flamewar, but keep it above the belt, and no eye poking.
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#10 Feb 11 2007 at 3:43 PM Rating: Decent
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Childish venting? So self-righteous, as is consistant with his person. I said that it wasn't fun or intimidating for me. That is the truth according to me. I didn't speak for anyone else, and I'm not venting anything. Pogle, your superiority complex is reading into things again.

Kysmet, I didn't say anything against anyone in the shell. You, and lots of others in the shell, are great people. I suppose Pogle isn't bad, if you have a taste for ego-maniacy (/eyepoke). I have lots of friends in the game, is it so wrong to have an enemy?

EDIT: To be totally accurate, Kysmet, you would have to admit that it really isn't a BST shell though. Not that it should or shouldn't, just that it isn't. I can jab at Pogle all I want, but that doesn't change whether it is or is not a BST shell. What was the last BST event?

Edited, Feb 11th 2007 6:46pm by Bigbangshot
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Actually I think I am going to try to mediate. (Having been in both Icefire and ZRE at one point or another.)

You guys do realize that both shells are very much alike. The only real difference that I could point out is leadership. Pogle goes the iron-fist route, and plans things out way ahead of time, whereas Kelv just says "We'll do it when we can." Things get done both ways, so I don't even see where there's a difference in perspective here.

Socially with Pogle, there is no bullshіt. His sig really says it all. I never noticed Kev step in when there was something going on. (Like when I attacked that idiot PLD who's name I can't remember because he swore that Ninja was the inferior exp tank.)

And really, when Louis wanted to be in Skyward way back in the day, a lot of people said no because he is one to say mean things about other people, whether or not they're meant as a joke I have no idea. (We never really speak, so personally I have no idea.) I think a couple people used to be in a shell with him in the past or something, I forget. But I've heard more than Pogle say that stuff about him, so I guess I'm willing to believe that it happened.

As for me and any duo/trio stuff, I don't see it ever happening. I have no BST specific merits, and no real reason to get any. I think the last thing I used my BST for was uncapped Ballista because Tuu was being annoying and I wanted to Rampage her in the face. Also, where in the **** would you duo at 75? I can't think of any ToAU camps, but maybe I haven't done any research. (And there are no pre-ToAU camps for 75 BST duos.) Either way, I have no real BST gear anyway, minus Haubergeon and CHR gear, and my only axes are Lohar and Rune. =/ I'd feel too gimpy walking around with those...
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My apologies BBS. On re-reading what I wrote, the majority of my statements were directed at Louis, who engages on a 'lolpogle' campaign from time to time for no reason other than spite apparently. I should have differentiated that better, because you were undeserving of some of those statements.

In my own defense, I'm in dynamis, typing between sleeps/stuns >.> Coherency is bound to take a backseat to that.

Edit: I do think it important, however, if someone is to talk good or bad about a shell that they were in at one point, they should be disclosing circumstances around why they aren't in it anymore for accuracy's sake, as that does tend to color the perceptions a bit if the parting was less than amicable :P

Edited, Feb 11th 2007 7:08pm by pogle
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If more Monster Gloves drop, I'm ripping someone's throat out.

Seriously, yo.
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2 more 75 BSTs just got Xarc access and came for the first time today. No drop on them though.

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Using the thread as what it's meant for: I'm a 24 beast and think I would officially like someone to run around and have fun with instead of just soloing to 75, if anyone out in Alla land is interested.
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I did a Dynamis on Saturday, and it was the first for me. We did Jeuno. From my end, Dynamis is nearly unbearable. The BLMS run all over ****, and they're impossible to buff. I only died a couple times after we had a nasty pull after getting the win over by the AH, but that wasn't the problem.

DYNAMIS IS THE WORST THING EVER. I was interested in the whole thing for all of 5-6 pulls. Then, it drags on and on, like there will never be any end. I have merited for four hours before, and after about 2 I'm spent and I start slipping. Dynamis is a whole other level. I don't know how you people committ that kind of time. Kev does it religiously, and likes it, I just can't figure it out.

HUGE NOTE: That was the first time I had ever seen an apology out of Pogle, he's come a long way. Kudos to you.

Smaller note: Yup, Kaku, the difference in shells is just the way we go about doing things. I wouldn't have you believe any different. Both are full of cool people, and that's what it's all about. I don't have anything negative to say about IF other than Pogle generally sucks. I think BST friendly was a fair term, but there really are NO (0 (none (zip (zilch)))) BST lses on Gilgamesh. And that's ok, because I just don't see an army of them wandering around looking to band together and kill something crazy.
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Using the thread as what it's meant for: I'm a 24 beast and think I would officially like someone to run around and have fun with instead of just soloing to 75, if anyone out in Alla land is interested.


Holler at me kys, i'll hop along with you (tho i need to catch up a little bit, still 21 BST)
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I'm in no BST linkshell even though I wish I were sometimes ^_^
I don't solo much as BST anymore, as I have terrible luck at charming.
Last time I duoed, me and my partner misscharmed 6 times in a row (3 for each of us). Have we been alone, we would have died and eat a Reraise.

I'm willing to duo/trio/more with any competent BST but I know only of 2 camps usable by Lv 74-75 :
- Bibiky Bay, using rabbit against Tough-Very Tough Cateboplas
- Caedevra Mire, fighting against competition in the overcrowded imps camp using those DC sheep and/or a Slime.

Maybe anyone knows of some other usable camps ? I've heard about some Troll camp in Mt Zahlyom using leech ...

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A) This was supposed to be BST oriented, to my understanding, and bringing up very old issues between a few people was pointless.

B) Kys, I thought you and Sami were duo'ing?! What happened with that?

C) I know both Pogle and BBS, and I agree they both have very strong personalities, but they're also both incredible players, in my opinion. Kudos to both of you for staying civil in light of an apparent misunderstanding.

D) I <3 dynamis, but I still need the Windurst win :/
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And that's ok, because I just don't see an army of them wandering around looking to band together and kill something crazy.


Offhand I can think of 6 or 7 BST's who constantly talk about teaming up with other Beastmasters and killing stuff, and doing ENM's/BC's.

Oh BBS, I'm gonna need another Yovra organ soon ok? You, me, and you-know-who should get together soon again and trio another UFO!
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Smaller note: Yup, Kaku, the difference in shells is just the way we go about doing things. I wouldn't have you believe any different. Both are full of cool people, and that's what it's all about. I don't have anything negative to say about IF other than Pogle generally sucks. I think BST friendly was a fair term, but there really are NO (0 (none (zip (zilch)))) BST lses on Gilgamesh. And that's ok, because I just don't see an army of them wandering around looking to band together and kill something crazy.
I'm still of the opinion that you guys should kiss and make up, then go camp something large as a team. You guys together have more people that most of the "omghnmls" shells, and honestly with a little practice, I'm pretty sure you could be just as good as, if not better than all of them.

And if you two ever do decide to do so, you can count me in as the suicidal meat shield-in-charge. I've never tanked anything except Genbu, but I have all of the gear, sans some of the sea stuff I want (Ninja Hatsuburi/Kyahan +1 and Ethereal.) and enough buffer to make baby Jesus cry. Who knows, I might end up leveling Paladin soon enough, so I'll be flexible too. =3

All I need is a ******* PS2 now. >_> I logged on Saturday night for a few hours at a friend's house and got my Bard to 60, but nobody was on, so I didn't really get to talk to anyone (Except Daimen and Fortuna. <3)


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Oh, and Cutaru, I'd like to duo some time. That actually goes out to Louis and BBS too. After exping on BRD the other night, I remembered why I found normal exp jobs so dull when I first started the game. It would be a nice change for the boring meriting on Ninja where you do nothing but supplement for the Warrior's lack of pure DoT.

I'll have to perhaps borrow some of Daimen's gear, (His Maneater pretty much.) but maybe we could work something out when I get back into the game.
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Okay, so by everyone's definition we're not a BST shell. Fine. However, last night I looked at our LS list and saw that, of the 10-12 people on, half were logged on as BST and most of them 75. I felt I should swap over to my little 27 BST just so I could fit in better. There was also talk of a BST-night to go and cause trouble in Vana'diel.

Label us BST-friendly if you want, but I know that I have an entire LS full of people I can ask about BST-related topics or go duo with should I wish. Doesn't make me a great BST, but it does make the game and the grind a **** of a lot more fun.
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Okay, so by everyone's definition we're not a BST shell. Fine. However, last night I looked at our LS list and saw that, of the 10-12 people on, half were logged on as BST and most of them 75.
Wow, so many people have caught up to all of us oldschool beastmasters. Maybe that's really all we needed to do insane stuff like all-BST Kirins and stuff.
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6? It'll take a few more I'd imagine, but you could do a lot of NMs with 6 BST. Not to mention KS30s...
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I remember a time when it was rare to /sea all 75 BST and find more than 4 people on at a time, excluding yourself.
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That still is pretty **** rare.

Would anyone like to know why I was removed from Icefire?

I was in the shell one day, and I asked about "why is it so hard to get anyone to go anywhere besides the standard exp camps, or use anything but the optimal set up?"

To which Pogle's wife, in her very first response to me was "You're an idiot, it is not."

That then angered me, because not only was she well... completely wrong, but her very first comment also insulted me. I responded about "How if it was so easy, why did the last 10 parties I'd been in, refused to party without a NIN/PLD tank, or refused to use any different camps?" I even mentioned that even those IN the LS, refused to do as I had suggested, so it's not as if the other members were above contempt on this.

Granted, everything I had said had a lot more profanity, and insults in it, as I was being attacked to start with, but that's what I do. I'm a loud obnoxious ***, nothing I or anyone can do about that.

My pearl was then smashed without any warning, by who I don't know. (Though there were only 3 there at the time, with the capability, sooo, not a hard guess.)

Pogle even went so far as to harrass me in /tells for half an hour after someone destroyed my pearl, saying things such as "If you ever speak to my wife like that again, I will break your pearl." and "You are completely out of line." And he did so, AFTER someone had already done so, just to gloat, until I finally blacklisted him, after 30-35 minutes of those tells.

Later I was told someone's mule that had a pearlsack, had sold his account, or was angry at the shell, and ahd logged on and broke many pearls, but that excuse is so fake sounding, trained circus chimps could see through it. Needless to say, this was not the first such incident, except for the pearl breaking, and thus I didn't accept a new pearl later.


But yeah, Kaku, I'd love to go. There's also a 3 sheep vs VT-IT treants and imps camp somewhere in Caederva, that's up one of those one way cliffs. Have to go through Arrapago, but I never found out where it was. Drak used it for his exp ring every day, but I was too low to duo, and figured he could just show me where it was when I caught up to him. I'll go look for it eventually.

I also have to go check out Mamook again. I'm thinking Carriage lizards vs ziz, or puks vs battle bugards could work in a duo, have to check that too. Always the leech vs troll camps too., though that's a lot more fun and exp in a trio, especially with a healer of some sort (even, perhaps even best as a DRG/mage) for extra damage, dia 2, and healing, allowing the BST to sub nin.
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You were the one slinging insults in the shell, specifically asking my wife if she was retarded for her answer to your questions. Plain and simple. And there are several people that remember that. My tells to you were aimed at explaining why that kind of behaviour wasn't kosher with the shell (although anyone with a mental age past 10 understands why insults are generally not conducive to getting along with others).

However, neither Meabh nor I broke your pearl; if I had broken your pearl, why would I threaten to break it in tells afterwards? I even talked to Drakengard because I figured you'd just dropped the pearl, and told him you were welcome back if you avoided the insults in the future. I've broken three pearls, ever, and after talking to each person first; it was never without warning, out of the blue. And you aren't one of the three. The other sackholder present also denied breaking the pearl. You dropped it, plain and simple. Only thing that would convince me otherwise is a screenshot, in which case I'll be talking to the officer who denied breaking it.

I don't know who told you the supposed angry person story of breaking a bunch of pearls, first time I've heard of it and we've not had that happen to us at all.

In summation, get your facts straight and stop spewing made-up crap, thanks.

Edit: Oh yes, due to my packrat nature,I also have the original parser logs of the entire conversation. Here's a fun highlite:

"<Louispv> what are you a @#%^ing ******? 0e"

I'm not posting it all here, but if your memory needs jogged further I'm happy to toss it on my website :P

Sorry for further adding to the BS here, but such outright blatant lies simply cannot be left uncontested.

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1. The only name I call people is "dork"; everyone understands that this is a joke. What I did say was "<Meabh> come out of your effing box louis, there isn't just one way to play 0e" in response to your insistance that you *must* have the best gear to get parties (hasn't BBS proved the entire **** world wrong about that? no insult intended BBS, a compliment in ways) and that you *must* have 6 party members to get XP. Everyone else on the LS was explaining why that wasn't really the case, but you didn't want to listen. BTW, I just duoed my DRG with a RDM and got decent enough XP. No 1337 gear, just standard AH stuff that you invest in for use with multiple jobs (ex. Baron's Saio on Excaliber).

2. I don't accept malicious name-calling in the LS. The fact that you called ME a name ("******" to be exact) didn't help your case. :p

3. I didn't break your pearl. Pogle didn't break your pearl. Norellicus didn't break your pearl. We never officially kicked you. We assumed/heard that you had dropped it. My saying "Goodbye" at the end of the convo was ME leaving the shell, your pearl intact. You WERE reprimanded by both Pogle and I for your behaviour and threatened with pearl-breaking, but no such thing occurred.

4. I'm glad that you've found a LS where you fit in better, but please stop libelling IceFire. We've done nothing to you besides trying to broaden your perspectives on certain aspects of the game. I'm sorry you took the discussion the wrong way, but that was clearly indicative of the fact that you would not be able to put up with the normal discussions that are a constant part of IceFire life.

Kaku, I'd spar with you but I simply don't have the charisma of the mind twins. ;)
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You'd have to get down on your knees to be on my level.

Plus, out of sheer respect for Pogle, I'd never do it. ._.;
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Also...XD I missed this somehow.

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Back in those days? I'm still rocking as a gimp, and everyone knows it. I am a testament to the fact that FF is based around the job you play and how you play it FAR more than the gear you have.

My dream is to get everyone to understand that job selection is much more important than gear and have Fafnir go unclaimed for weeks at a time. I'm doing my part. Are you?

It's unfair, though. They designed this game with a bunch of melee jobs that need items to be effective and a few mage jobs that need all of jack squat to be effective. BLMs without elemental staves are still 90% more effective as DDs endgame than a fully pimped mnk or a Ridill WAR. I just happened to decide on levelling the easiest and most overpowered party character in the game. Is that so wrong? It's not my fault that SE decided to make the job have all of its weapons before lvl 40, or that even naked the job outclasses just about any other replacement in a 6-man group. I didn't make that motivation, they did. I just made the least I could with what they gave me.

Don't get me wrong, there is a place for every job. A PUP will take BRD slot for salvage any day of the week, but for the most part I bet you get what I'm saying.

Meabh, that backhanded slight was tasteful and left me wanting to cheer. I like it. Yours are always so pleasant. Maybe you could logon to pogle sometime and merit his charisthma up a couple points. He's clever enough, but more on the unpleasant side of the coin. If he could dish it out in that purely maternal, pat you on the head, smile and nod, all while saying, "you're stupid but I still love you" way, I think he would earn more style points.

Gotta admit though, a Yag drink and a Tav taco on a lvl 20 mage is better than couple pieces of ****** armor and a pineapple juice... The stats don't lie, and isn't that what it's all about? (lolol man, I love this argument)

Seriously though, you guys take care. This is a video game after all.
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Missing the point, as always. Some things never change.
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Please stop talking about stuff that happened almost/over a year ago now.

Honestly, I thought Pogle woulda scrapped Icefire by now, but he hasn't, so I'll give him some props for that.

Personally, I think BBS and Louis harbor, and always will, some ill-feeling of IF cause they were kicked.... someone broke louis' pearl.

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However, last night I looked at our LS list and saw that, of the 10-12 people on, half were logged on as BST and most of them 75.



If this is true, and IF has a party, or almost a party of 75 bsts, then they can call themselves a bst shell IMO.


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This made me lol. Not so much Pogle, he still plays a lot... but BBS... lolz. Incredible is a strong word.

"Prince was incredible" -- Charlie Murphy

This is a believable statement.



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I like you Merlynus, but we all know you were just trying to be nice to him. ^^


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Pogle and I, Icefire and ZRE, BBS, Louis, and... well a lot of people, aren't really gonna get along a lot of the time. Still a video game guys, not really that big a deal.

IMO




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I'm disappointed...all of your cleverly disguised wit and this is all you could come up with?
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Kev, I've tasted water with more flavor than that post. I know you're sick, but come back and try again when the Nyquil wears off. I will agree though, if they decide to do things as BSTs, it's a BST shell, I never contested that argument. I just contested, and still do, that there isn't a shell actively doing BST things. When we do sacrarium, minotaur, and hakutaku using BSTs as vital players, it's about as close as anything, and I don't call ZRE a BST shell...

Nore, a two sentence heckle with no real frame of reference doesn't deserve wit. It deserves what it got.

Merlynius, I might be on in the next few days, but no guarantees. My pack of retarded learning teammates for my MBA 560 course require herding. I wrote half a paper and they submitted the final product adding only another quarter and not even writing two sections. They left the ******* headings there, just didn't put anything under it. I hate people. Hate them. This and two more classes, and then I'm done. Education blows goats. Anyways, I conned the prof into giving us two more days. I might get done later today or tonight, or maybe it'll be two days of constant provocation. Either way, I'm gonna need to play some video games to chill my emo-*** out.

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Hey all, 68 BST here. To Pogle: I still have my Icefire pearl in my Gobbiebag at all times and stopped in a couple times to say Hi, my apologies for not being on more but trying to get more active in Rabidmoogle since they have helped me so much in the past.

So umm yeah, also just wanted to post in a Kaku thread.

If you want to duo or trio in game send me a /tell BUT do not be offended if I decline or don't respond. My play time can be flighty, so I tend to just go at my own pace solo.
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No worries on just dropping in from time to time; we're quite fine with that. Lately I spend a lot of time out of Icefire doing endgame with other shells, altho I usually have one of my mule accounts on my other machine there so I can stay involved.

Edit: Also, yay 68! You're in for a treat when you finally catch the Red Kisser v. Colibri camp empty. I actually skipped Ifrit's Cauldron Round 2 (which I had been looking forward to for ages) because that camp was so insanely good. Drops off at 72, and I've been so depressed about that I've not leveled BST since (j/k, mostly doing NIN at the moment with BST as a sideline). But yeah, I went 68 > 71 in 3 days there. G-7 in Thickets. Only really supports one BST. Nice xp as a duo @68-69 though, as well.

Edited, Feb 13th 2007 3:22pm by pogle
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I can testify to Sora being about the best casual gamer ever. Always friendly and generally helpful, but you can never be sure if he is at his keyboard or not.

My BST is 65 and if I work on it a bit, maybe I'll catch you. But I will make the same open-ended promise. I'm married, employed, a student, and a BRD most of the time I'm in-game. I won't give any guarantees. See you online.
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Edit: Also, yay 68! You're in for a treat when you finally catch the Red Kisser v. Colibri camp empty. I actually skipped Ifrit's Cauldron Round 2 (which I had been looking forward to for ages) because that camp was so insanely good. Drops off at 72, and I've been so depressed about that I've not leveled BST since (j/k, mostly doing NIN at the moment with BST as a sideline). But yeah, I went 68 > 71 in 3 days there. G-7 in Thickets. Only really supports one BST. Nice xp as a duo @68-69 though, as well.
Iftit's "phase two?" I was under the impression there was only one phase. >_> 71-75. I still occasionally solo there. I like to farm Rattling Eggs while getting my exp, so I guess that's why I enjoy it so much. I also keep my eye out for Tyrannic Tunnok. 0/15, but meh. One day he'll drop me a claw. And besides, I actually use Lohar, since my Beastmaster isn't important enough for me to buy a Maneater and Woodsman. </3

The bomb phase was also very enjoyable. I think I liked it so much because I was /NIN though, so I didn't have to worry about magic aggro, all I had to watch out for was pets in the area aggroing me. (Which was never a problem, because Self-Destruct keeps their population in check.) Also, selling BQ Ashes and Cores made me a killing back in the day when I had no real source of income. It helped me get my Bonecraft to a level where it could be profitable, at least.


I bet the Red Kisser camp is great exp, but if you're looking to make a few bucks in the later levels while still getting exp, Ifrit's is the best place for that these days. Boyahda being the second best.

Disclaimer: I don't know anything for sure, I'm just going on my own experiences. None of which include ToAU. ._.
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Ifrits Phase 1 is versus the Volcanic Gas, not the bombs. It was really sweet at...erm...62-65 I think. It was a while ago for me. Tons of coffer keys, I helped a bunch of NINs get their hands and even more people get maps. Even trekked down to Ash Dragon once to raise someone (that was fun, let me tell you!). I love me some Ifrit's Cauldron.

I'm a huge fan of bombs for BST, Gusgen > Garlaige > Ifrits 1 > Ifrits 2, and maybe Mt. Zhayolm soon when more of the Erucas con as EM.
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I agree with galaige. I dunno about gusgen. That place was the devil for me. It's, what, like 29-32? So much aggro down there. I never tried Ifrit's, does it drop off at 65? That's a long *** run, I'd like to know if it would be better than the ridiculous xp in the mire off of Nashmau to the west.
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Gusgen is 33-35ish.

Ifrits v1,not sure if it compares to the Nashmau camp or not. I never did that camp, was past it when TAU came out and it was discovered. My poor BST gets neglected for months, then I churn out 3 or 4 levels, then neglect it again, heh.

The only TAU camp I've done well in was the Red Kisser one. Everything else was in the old world, or failed attempts. Spent a lot of wasted time/exp trying to make spiders v puks work, for example, but just got sick of mischarming 50% of the time with an apollos staff.
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Hey 75BST here on Gilga interested in duo/trio. Nothing hardcore maybe a couple hours a week, I play mostly nights, send /tell if anyone interested in meriting. Thanks Tris
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That Kisser/Colibri at 68 is hands down the best camp in the game (that I have had). Its been empty the past 2 days, well Annon and I shared for an hour or so the other day (cool guy, if you get to meet him). I hit multiple records there:

Highest EXP Granted- 603 on a Chain #2
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Quickest EXP on Ring- 3,154 in 20 minutes, lasted 6 or 7 fights.

The place is fUcking insane. Never died, rarely mischarmed, just kept the Leeches EM by returning them to their home to regen. I even had the extreme honor of running into The Dark Rider and his Dark Esquire (Demon BLM NM). Luckily enough the VT Colibri I somehow charmed grabbed the Demons attention as I logged out.
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So here's an idea. When (Or if, in Pogle's case.) you guys hit 75, how would you feel about giving an all-BST Tiamat a go? I spend a good bit of time in Attohwa, and he shows up on Widescan a lot. It usually takes most shells about an hour to get anyone to give a crap enough to show up. So he basically sits there. If he ends up on a decent pop window, how would you feel about Antlion zerging him?

I saw a video a while back, and after having a PM conversation with the person who posted it, I found out it's not really all that hard. A note though, they did it before the rage timer thing was added, so I don't know if we could kill it in less than an hour, but they said they did.

Anyway, if you guys aren't down with that, there's always Xolotl. I love my Zoolater Hat, and sho'nuff would like Bandomusha or P.Harpe some day. And he, too, shows up on Widescan all the time. Except he goes unclaimed for sometimes 5 hours at a time. ._.;
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The only problem with that being I can think of at least two of the HL beasts in this thread being in HNMLSes, and I think most have a rule about fighting HNMs with anyone but their shell.
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The only problem with that being I can think of at least two of the HL beasts in this thread being in HNMLSes, and I think most have a rule about fighting HNMs with anyone but their shell.


I would love to do an all BST HNM fight when I hit 75. My Sky shell does have a policy but maybe they would let it slide and see it as a BST job community type Event?
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The only problem with that being I can think of at least two of the HL beasts in this thread being in HNMLSes, and I think most have a rule about fighting HNMs with anyone but their shell.


I would love to do an all BST HNM fight when I hit 75. My Sky shell does have a policy but maybe they would let it slide and see it as a BST job community type Event?
1.) I'm pretty sure Pogle is the only one, and it's not like he's ever going to hit 75 anyway. >_>

2.) Tiamat has nothing to do with Sky, so why would it matter to your Sky shell? O_o

Edit: Typo.

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