Campaign wh*resFollow

No kidding, but equal blame goes to SE for this, too. They were BEGGING for crap like this to happen when they decided with Besieged--and subsequently with Campaign battle--that you'd get 10x more exp for providing useless melee than you would for curing/raising. Case in point, here: I wandered into the end of last night's Mamool Besieged and pulled out my G.Axe for about 40 seconds (missing with every swing, btw!) and ended up with ~400 exp; doubt I'd have gotten 100 if I'd spent as much time curing.

Add to this the fact that non-campaign mobs can aggro people in campaign battle and you're just asking for a big ol' pile of crap. In Garlaige [S] if you take aggro from a Yagudo Prior or Yagudo Abbot while you're fighting the Fortification you're F'ed because they're not campaign mobs so you don't get points for attacking them. You can beg for help and you'll be ignored because the battles can be so short that noone wants to waste precious seconds attacking a mob that won't give them exp.

So hate the idiots, sure... but make sure you equally distribute your bile to SE who created the idiotic system that gives rise to said idiots.

I suppose it depends on the group you do campaign with. I do Rolanberry a lot and if I get aggro from a goobue and cfh it, there's usually a dozen people or so that run over and help out...even if the campaign mobs are there. As far as the raise thing goes though...yeah. People suck sometimes. Maybe if SE gave a specific reward just for raising people...

I have no problem raising/curing people, but when a mage spends equal time as other jobs, yet receive crap for exp, its no wonder they are meleeing, even if you only hit for 1...

Oh don't mistake me, i'm not bitching about not 'helping' other people. Bite off more than you can chew = you get what you deserve. But WHM's meleeing on dead body's = fail.

I think SE gave us something with campaign that we really shouldn't take for granite: a tool to learn who the useless players are without ever being in danger of loosing xp to their stupidity.

Yes, I'm looking @ you melee WHM that tried to invite me the other night. You know what you did.

Edited, Feb 6th 2008 4:03am by Apelila

I'm fully with Radio on this one. Much like besieged, you should be rewarded for helping the cause as a whole and curing is a necessity.

And Ape, did you have your flag up? Maybe you were asking for it...

My two cents as someone who went RDM/WHM to Campaign for about two weeks, curing and healing and debuffing mobs like it was a regular exp party...

I quit doing Campaign.

For me, the exp wasn't worth it. I can do just as well solo on BST/WHM with RR1 and I don't have to worry about overpowered NMs, lag, stupid shouts, just standing around waiting for the mobs to show, or any of the other crap that goes with Campaign and Beseiged.

I know I'm in the minority here, but in my opinion WoTG so far = major fail. Maybe they'll improve it in future updates. Until then, this is one RDM/WHM you won't have to worry about melee'ing over your dead body, but I won't be their to raise you either.

Wow, you Mpked some poor guy cause he was "Leaching" off your mob? Just wow.

Personally I don't mind assisting people if they are in trouble. Play the game for fun and not Omg I need to get (X)EXP/(Y)Hour to get (N)Level by (C)Date and if I Cure/Help that poor guy getting raped in the corner, I will lose 400Exp from campain and that would be counter-productive. Of coarse if you know the guy and don't like him/her, you could let them die . .

Reputation/People > Most everything else.

I can confirm that you do get Exp for curing. I was in CN(s) last night as Rng62/Whm and I got about 500exp just for healing the NPCs after they killed their mobs.


Edited, Feb 7th 2008 3:39am by Slavek

Never thought of it that way... but if someone did the latter to me, you can rest assured that I'd spend the rest of that campaign battle MPK'ing the holy hell out of that person until they warped or got the message loud and clear that I didn't want them fυcking with my mobs.

Get this through your peanut-sized brain if you can: Not everyone has Drain Samba or Stoneskin or direct cures to offset the damage they'd otherwise take between shadows.

A THF/NIN relies on their evasion to make their shadows last as long as necessary, not to save them from the stray blows between the shadows. More TP moves from a high level mob that has the potential to double or triple attack you at any moment on top of having TP moves that can hurt if you're unlucky is NEVER a good thing when you've got no means of survival except your shadows. Those TP moves eat shadows faster, which leaves you at a greater risk of taking a hit that can destroy your rhythm.

I was leveling DNC last night and had no problems with downtime thanks to Drain Samba; the hits the mobs put in couldn't outpace the draining output of the Samba. But the few times a mob lasted long enough to peg me with a Goblin Rush, Big Scissors, or Lamb Chop...it hurt. In some cases, enough that I didn't want to risk continuing without taking a knee and getting my hp back up first.

If you don't have a mage behind you ready to spam cures, TP moves are EVERYTHING. Controlling their flow is paramount to soloing on any job that has to stand toe to toe with the monster, especially when the monster still can dish out some hurt. Period.

If you think otherwise, please go out as a BRD/NIN and tank Charybdis with a WAR/NIN smacking it around alongside you and let me know how it goes.

Edit: Since in your typical fashion you decided to get anal retentive about my gravity point, I edited the original post. Of course gravity kiting wouldn't matter, the mob is awake, DUH. But I should hope one would know better than to mess with someone's sleep-nuking targets, and the same level of control and rhythm applies to any blink soloist that doesn't have the mitigation tools of a PLD or RDM.

Edited, Feb 7th 2008 1:35pm by Norellicus

Why are we comparing this to regular fights? Campaign is something everyone gets involved in, if you want to solo a mob go battle a T-IT mobs. I've seen some of the people at Rolenberry fighting, I've done some soloing, but not all the way because people will come by and kill,it's part of campaign.

Why am I not surprised? BBS' crew missing the point as usual.

My point is, don't fuck with a soloer without their permission. It screws up their rhythm.

No doubt Nynja got some fun out of mpking the idiot NIN who was tailing on his mobs; doesn't make my point less valid, that if you screw around with people trying to solo, you're just asking to catch their ire.

Oh, and learn what analogous examples are plzkthxbai.

PS: Nynja was talking about Orcs. Try harder.

Edited, Feb 7th 2008 1:55pm by Norellicus

lol, I'm too lazy to post it but i have this awesome drawing of a troll(under a bridge of coarse, where else?), I'm now calling it Norellicus.

Your missing the point Nore not us, I have some extra food so I don't mind feeding thr trolls. is besieged a solo deal? Cause thats exactly what this is, just on a smaller scale, and much faster. This is ment for multiple ppl to play in, with eachother, not solo. That right there makes our point valid, and you wrong.(Dionel said it first)

And if i'm in the BBS' crew, than your cleary in the Nynja mpk crew.
"MNK 75/BLM 70/NIN 47/SAM 33" I don't see dnc there at 37+.. nor do I see thf there at 75... maybe i'm blind? I'm nto speaking on the dnc part cause mines 8, but I know about thf eva on these mobs, orcs and quadavs, thier EP level to a 75 at most. sh*t I can solo an EP on thf as /12smn, the point is, either he sucks and came here to whine, or he is just an ass that wanted to tell ppl about his mpk(simply mpking just isnt good enough for him) i'm gonna go with both personally. Either way he's in the wrong, and u are for defending him, expecially without any experience to back up what your saying.

Awesome, only took two replies to get a 'no u!!' post. New record :D

Hahaha, "over time." BLM solo doesn't work "over time." That's what we in the BLM business refer to as "suicide." If you can't drop a mob solo'ing with 4 or fewer nukes, you better fυcking zone. And that 4th had better be Drain, so let's call it 3 1/2 nukes.

I dare any job, sans 2hr, two outdamage a BLM in the time it takes to cast 3 1/2 nukes. Good frigging luck. :P

pogle totally pushes buttons on his keyboard better than you, SK. Admit it, you're just jealous.

Meh, they're elitist in their own way.

I'll kiss a little back side here. The only players I really noticed being amazing for a while were NINs. Sorry to say, all the other jobs were mostly mediocre. Before that, SK renewed my faith in the possibility of decent RDMs existing. Your play in the CN was flawless. /kudos. You didn't have haste yet, so the job isn't fully complete, but I'll just assume you could handle it.

These guys are mostly ego strokes. They ramble on about pointless crap trying to think they have a point. Problem is easy mob is easy. They are far far above ever being wrong, so don't expect much in that respect.

They also like to talk down on other people's skill for reasons I don't get. We clearly explained why mpk isn't needed and why tp is largely irrelevant. All the while acknowledging the truth in their general understanding of solo. My thoughts on these two are the same as ever. Low-class and small-minded. Nothing new here, move along.

Radio, I was talking about the group mentality. If you want to toss thunder 4, just wait for rampage to do it. It shouldn't be an issue. The point being you change the play style to fit the situation. Just like you wouldn't open a traditional xp party with a ga3, you don't do it in campaign unless you love to kite.

I think the whole of campaign is still disappointing like Naat said. It is however, free xp as you have your flag up, and you can trade points for gear that isn't uselss (y halo thur fourth guantlets). Might as well...

I also generally avoid Campaign unless it involves me swinging axes or great axes at a non-moving non-responding walls in a basement 20 years in the past. Fighting BST NMs whose pets can one-shot hero NPCs doesn't really seem to be my cup o' tea, so--in the words of Alice in Chains--I stay away.

My last post on this cluster@#%^ since it's given me the entertainment necessary to push through the last 3 hours of my otherwise dull workday:



I'd like to point out that a) Nowhere did I condone MPK, only the justification for being pissed at other people @#%^ing with your mob, and b) Radio was just as quick to mention that he'd gladly MPK someone for screwing up his magely solo efforts, yet has received not so much as an idle remark about it, and the post remains at the Excellent level (through none of my own doing, I may add).

mkay bye~

Edited, Feb 7th 2008 4:28pm by Norellicus

Why isn't Radio getting nuked? He didn't post how he hoped to MPK.... Maybe a warp strategy? I just don't see it.

We have been over the idea of soloing. Yes, you shouldn't mess with someone soloing something beastly. You'll notice me never moving anywhere near softstep, though I peg him (read: whiff) with a chakram from time to time. The other monsters can't really be soloed in the classical sense. It doesn't require any skill and you can't prevent other people from joining in, unless you're a dirty 75 thf out to MPK for no good reason. Which is stupid, but some people seem to agree with, making those people also stupid.

Summary: Norellicus is stupid.

P.S. Please come back with a "NO U" comment. I have beaten this dead horse about how simple campaign is enough, but the stick isn't broken yet.

EDIT: SK, lol, what did you pick up from Nynja?

Edited, Feb 7th 2008 4:39pm by Bigbangshot

ur mom




I know I said that was my last post, but I couldn't resist; it's good for the lulz.

So far there was no real point in the expansion, maybe just to see some areas b4 they got corrodded and run down? But liek all expansiosn they start off slow, look at ToAU, it may have had exp spots but as far as mission items u got sh*t. Later on they updated it and now with more missions, u can get the newer rings. I expect something shiny, prolly earrings from this one, or maybe soemthing different besides the usual ring or earring, like a belt back or neck addition. Personally I think salvage is unbearabley retarded, the rewards good, but the whole thing in general is retarded and basicly a form of dynamis. But some people like it, like i like campaign to each his own naat, but i see what ur saying.

P.S. 3 levels on gaxe in 1hour = great. (2H weapons are sh*t to skill, if you can help it u shud always keep em capped in pts <_<)

The key to Great Axe skillup is Shield Break. Shield Break cures cancer; true story.

Why do ppl eep skipping over my first 1-2 posts... u get exp from curing, rdm friend got more exp on her rdm curing and not meleeing at all than i did on my thf meleeing... Cures on ppl in campaign give points, idk why u think it doesnt. I'm not sure about the curing npc's sh*t, she wasnt doin that, she was curing the players. Raise might give exp tho i doubt it, but why be greedy and not sacrifice 20-30 exp to cast raise on someone so they can get thier exp too?

It's not bitching, i dont really give a sh*t if u wanna be a greedy little f*ck lol, but don't come here and say ur anything more than that if you wont raise or cure. I'm not saying sit there and spam cure everyone, infact @#%^ the cures, i always go to a pixie, but even if its just one person that u raise, atleast do one. I've seen plds raise mid fights because thier not greedy, but a rdm with refresh wont even take the time to cast a raise? No one's making you but if your comming here bitching about us bitching ur just a hypocrit doin the same thing Belkira, that must be a Tarutaru trait.

I've never not gotten a raise. I have waited a looooooong time for a pixie though.