BottersFollow

Give it a rest.

Please.

There is no proof that she was a bot, and if her head was moving around, I can almost say that she isn't a bot.

If her head was bouncing around, it means that Priscilla was targetting things. Not a good idea if you've also spamming Provoke (which is how I understand most NM Bots work), as what happens if you have some player targeted when the mob pops?

Sounds like Sahira had a case of sour grapes and jumped to conclusions simply because someone was a little faster on the trigger. I know when I'm camping a NM spawn I'm spamming voke as fast as I can go right around spawn time, or I'm running around with widescan looking for the NM on radar. I don't really have time to chat, especially if it's near spawning time for the mob.

The only thing I can say is to make 101% sure that a 'bot' is a bot. If the character is equipped in crappy gear / crappy gear for their level, they might be a bot. If a bunch of gibberish is coming through in /say, they most likely are a bot. If the person in question has a *VERY* precise way of doing things that does NOT vary at all, they might also be a bot, but please realize that simply voking and fighting a mob != being a bot. If more than one of these traits pops up, then they probably are a bot.

One last thing, paragraphs are your friend, try to split up things a little more next time ^^;

I agree that I wouldn't be so hasty to call someone a bot. I personally camp a few NMs here and there.

To alleviate the boredom, and if someone else is there I sometimes do my best to emulate a bot. It's something to do, and I find it funny when it causes the other person to just leave, thinking "I'll never beat that bot."

Sometimes I just I do really stupid things like just running around in a circle, albeit a very precise circle, but just a circle. Or, I'll provoke every random spawn near the campsite if I know the spawn time of the NM. You'd be amazed what people fall for.

Also, that head bobbing thing, I do that too. Here's the explanation of why:

1. Often times I read, or watch a DVD while I camp.

2. The big loud DING that occurs when you hit tab lets me know there's something that was targeted.

3. If no one else or just one other person is there that DING is like my alarm that something is there and I just hit Provoke.

4. If there's more than one other person in the room....it makes them think you're a bot and sometimes they just leave. (^.^)d

Just a question.....

Why was Minimagi rated down for his post. I mean more than one of you must have, and I personally didn't find anything wrong with it, although I did give my 2 gil opinion on the subject.

Anyway, I'll give my allotted rate up to try to repair it. ^^


EDIT: Or maybe it was only one person, since my one rate up just bumped him back above 3. O well.

Edited, Fri Aug 20 17:21:18 2004 by Eruntalon

lol! You called me a bot for pulling the crypt ghost away from you. Haha that's priceless :D. I didn't know I was that good! ^^


Priscilla: 72 BLM, 52 SMN, 36 WHM, 25 THF

Edited, Sat Aug 21 17:41:07 2004 by ultimasvn

Uh, I'd really have to agree with MiniMagi, myself. I've seen Priscilla camp Argus for over 24 straight hours with constant head-movement between all targetables. It's called a pixel-bot. I mean, I don't think she got Argus, but...eh, it seems highly suspicious.

I mean, what with the Edajima army running free without SE doing a damn thing, people are starting to get a little sick of bots. Alot of people believe JP are allowed to bot while NA aren't. And looking at the clump of Galka in Rabao, I'm not sure I can come up with an argument to the contrary. :/

Edit: Keep in mind, you don't have to be AFK 100% of the time while using a bot. I've spoken to people who admit to me they fish-bot.

Edited, Sun Aug 22 03:04:10 2004 by PerfidiousBa

Yeah, I've seen my share of "omg voke bot" stories when someone gets beaten by another player with a good trigger finger. I'm not going to join in the chronic NM complaining (hell, I got my Emperor's Hairpin today :D)...but botting does happen.

I stand there quietly too, but be realistic...Would any human player press Tab for 20 hours straight as a camping strategy? Even when they KNEW it woulden't pop for at least 6 hours?

Personally I think I can MAYBE beat bots in a small area. Same stimulus, same imput. Do-able, but one has an unfair advantage not to mention being absentee play, which really harms the integrity of a game. I feel the same way about selling Gil for actual money. I wish people would just let the game be a game and play it normally. I think this desire is why so many players get mad about bots, or start botting themselves.

I like your optimistic viewpoint on the Edaj's, but they've been around forever...I'd have a hard time beliving SE is getting to it just now.

As for me being a "1-time poster", I was in no way directed to this page by the orginal poster. Hell, I don't even know him. This is simply something that's been on my mind since my attempt at Argus, so it's the first time I've been compelled to post. I look forward to seeing you around the forum. ^^

*pats Rhodes*

That's okay buddy, I can help ease the load of your wallet from such a terrible, terrible camp. All that gil from camping Argus must be expensive, no...? ^.~

And I meant to say 'heavy' not expensive. >.<

Heavy gil. I'll gladly take some off of your hands. :P

That's exactly what I do ^^. I use a dark staff +1 along with black cloak so Fenrir costs 0 MP. I keep him out all the time so the Argus voke bots target my pet :D. They get extremely pissed, but that's all part of the fun :P. At least there is a cure for the voke bot craze.

P.S. Argus is a lvl 36-37 NM, but he's very tough for his level. Be ready for a tough fight at lvl 58. I'd use 2-hour most definately. For me, I'm getting the 5 mil for vermillions cloak. I refuse to lvl my summoner any higher until I get it ;). I'm 2/8 so far, so don't be discouraged if he doesn't drop your first time ^^.

Edited, Wed Aug 25 13:54:04 2004 by ultimasvn

Lol your not gonna believe this... I was camping argus with fenrir out and a lvl 75 pld commented me on my genius thinking and preceeded to invite me into a JP HNM LS group... Lol it was like a dream come true... tomorrow we're going to fight King Behemoth and Serket O.o

Edited, Wed Aug 25 19:54:23 2004 by ultimasvn

After surfin through various forums all i c is bot this bot that, ruining economy bs this. OMG quit ur b*%chin already. You argue these discussions like a 12 year old thowing a tantrum because some player beat you to a mob/NM. First off, everytime I beat or some one else dominates a NM or camps it alot, all of a sudded BOT BOT BOT BOT BOT!!!!!! During the summer i camped jaggedy-earred jack for 48 kills not losing the claim to anyone and all i heard was i was a BOT. You ask why square does nothing? Because people like that accusing everyone of being a bot. When you make a GM call, you waste his/her time to /tell suspected botters of running a 3rd person program. After a small conversation with us they get quite annoyed. What comes out of this? GM's time being wasted because they sre need elsewhere doing alot more important stuff, why now most GMs dont even respond to BOT calls, or they at least dont bother with them. Words from a GM themself. Also you all (O no im grouping you /gasp) don't know sh*t about bots because i've read your crappy disputes. As with fish boting...i admit i fish bot. I FISH BOT I FISH BOT I FISH BOT. go report me, GMs dont even bother with me anymore. Fisrt off running a 3rd person program(a script) or bot is not illegal as long as the player is not afk (not directly said, and can be avoided). But these bots run SLOW as hell, ive even had to tinker with the scripts to make them run faster but they can only go so far or the f**k up. I'd say fish bots run almost twice as slow as a real fisher, dont believe me? go watch one. I fish without it whenever possible, Ps2 with a rumble pad aint real hard(padd rumbles when fish is caught, i hit x, simple)as it is faster and more time efficient. + i can still do otherstuff, eat, tv, paperwork w/e. As for voke bots, most of your arument arent even against what you think. As for these voke bots, ive browsed through em all, made my own, and above all they suck and their slow. Only thing i can c benificial to voke bot would be argus. As for that "other" half of these "they claim faster than me "BOTS"" are mnost likely japaneese. Even though FFXI is capped @ 56k the server still lies in japan and there is a delay from that server to NA(assuming your NA) and the jap do see spawns somewhat sooner. But when your staring at a computer screen for three hours straight it all come down to reaction. Those who run the NM get the claim everytime cuz their action are so repetative it comes second nature, I know from jack id be on the east wall and beat out rng/thf thf/rng to jack even when its by the outpost. And im sure fish bots are still steaming ur clams but we dont make that much money, maybe in the eyes of a nub but not to us. specially since i feel the need to waste my wealth on raising my craft skills and buying cratefulls of food. nothing disapoints me more when i get in a pt and my party members dont bring consumables. Personally i wory more about those losers who fish botless for weeks straight or do whatever, (image coming to mind) rakding in bundles of bream while im pulling seaweed from my lure. And as a final note just because "edaji____" consists of numerous players desnt mean its a bot, or at least for the mater the same person, as my friends and i have created a group f 6(whom will remain nameless, im sure ull be posting about them sometime soon :D) of the exact same race/char and namebase. Easily controllable with a ps2 and a comp. As for those whom arent talented in multipe taskin( walking and chewing gum) or just dont belive me, my friend controls 3 players @ once before and even amazingly effectively. 1. Guy fishing in rabao for carp using ps2 rumple pad 2.sam in kazham in exp pt fighting tinkers 3. rdm pling pt fairly well, not 1 death in id say 5-6 hours. not bad. As a finaly final note, keep this in mind... there are nerds, losers, game freaks, that get too into the game, too adicted, experts, masterly talented that can and will do things u r unable to do. This is ok, remember this is just a game, have fun and remember we get laid *ahem* "pleasure" while they get some virtual item and are productiveless. so quit ur bitchin and wasting time posting, have fun, and may the water jug be with you!

Edited, Tue Aug 31 23:58:34 2004 by BaNgBaNgBuNNy

m(._.)m

I tried to read your post, but I could not even understand half of it without my head hurting from your atrocious grammar and spelling.

Perhaps you made valid points, but they're sullied by your laziness in not being able to type out the word "you".

Do everyone a favor- if you want us to read and intelligibly comprehend your opinion, copy and paste it into Word and run a nifty little tool called "Spellcheck". Thanks.

EDIT: Spelling. OMFG.

Edited, Wed Sep 1 09:11:00 2004 by Etain

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BaNgBaNgBuNNy...please refrain from posting something like that again. Is it that much to ask to write something that is comprehensible? You can tell by the response that you've already received from your post that, people will tend to just skip your input. Now if you have a valid point to make, please do so with out the mentality of being a 2nd grader.

Thanks

I agree, I didn't read it and he still received a rate down from me.

Paragraphs are everyone's friend.

~Man Bang, go back to school, and learn how to type. Keyboarding 102 will help you in your future. Like always i get side tracked comming on this site, and I came across this thread just to see what the issue was and all i saw was these repeating posts bashing boters and so forth then this 1 long post of a heap of crap. First off, you've got to be the most hypocritical person ever Bang, basically your agruing back at the people agruing against the people of the topic(botes in this case.)After reading through that crap you call a post, which most people haven't even read, dont need to go into why, i will have to admit however i do agree with you on SOME points. (I'd quote you I remembered how >.<) One being the boting fairly slow, to the point where i stopped using a bot to fish, as it is beneficial to me to go w/out it.(many other reasons)
~On the other hand of that, before everyone starts chewin' out eachothers throats over this, sit back, grab a cold one and think about this for two seconds. With all the money Square gains form this, the ability to produce such a great game, and the long ass hours it maintains these servers, I think they DO have the ability to stop boters some way or another, extreme measures or not. But really c'mon, if square thinks Boting and all this other junk is creating a big enough problem to raise an issue, they'll deal with it. I, being a former GM for a short period(not great money) know about these factors. Please we have server GMs for a reason, let them do their job. These guys ARE aware of these things, and dont need to be responding to GM calls about these topics while they can be attending much greater issues. I had a chat with one aftre waiting like 2.5 hours because i was stuck in the ocean(i swan with the sharks)
\ (^_^) / near kazham, and the GMs were responding to bot acusations(yes i know not all the calls were, but point made)
~I know like BanG im making this kinda long so im done on this topic, my 2 cents. I know this isnt the place to address this but i feel the need to critic this economy. If you dont care stop reading :D
~PC players know what im talkin about, soon as ps2 came out the economy was great, then all of a sudden BAM! Black Saturday
The reason for this is because soon as we get all these newbie players into our servers, our marketeer's(crafters) mouths are drooling. CONSUMERS YES!!! But, then after awhile, after these players start getting into the game, our economy fell to crap. Why? simple economics (ugg i know i'll make it brief and simple)
Whether your lv1 or lv75 your consuming goods, however after you exit your newbie era you begin to insert yourself into the market increasing supply(demand is still same) thus lowering prices.
~As for the rise in prices, as much as you here o so and so owns the emperor hairpin market dont be fooled. We own the market. Prices are generated but how much we are willing to pay for it. ex. Emp pins are i believe 375-400k because people are willing to pay that much(dont want to but will) We cant increase the supply so the only other way to drive these prices down is to boycot, in a sense. Have patience. Dont pay that much, the supplyer will be forced to lower the price if he wants to sell, also he can be undercut because of the stockpilling pins. Let's try have some patience and lets drive these prices to an equalibrium price where both consumers and our precious crafters are happy. As for me i know I'd rather pay the 300k over 400k, i have over a million or so gil so call me jewish or w/e but thats the way i feels. Again I apologize for this length, im just trying to answer the questions i see so much on these forums. And I feel alarmed on bangs last remark on the water jug. Thats my Ls's slang salute. He will pay for that, I must honor the clan!
Farewell all and have a nice day, see you online

Hlaine(fenrir)-BRD20/BST20/WHM13/BLM18/MNK10/RDM10/THF15/SAM28/WAR30
Pamtam(fenrir)-Fishing Lv50 WHM10/BLM19
Larkin(diablos)-BRD63/WHM36/BLM20/THF15
LS: Pearlsac(windurst based, i think =\)

Edited, Wed Sep 1 18:15:26 2004 by Hlaine