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#1 Aug 15 2004 at 10:21 PM Rating: Decent
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Is there anyone on the server that can help me get leaping boots and Emperors Hairpin from the NMs? i know this could take a bit of time and im real sorry to ask for help but im not to gr8 at NM hunting and havent got anywhere near enough gil to buy 1 of these items never mind the both of them. im UK so im on at different times than most but if u could help me plz
/t Xanthus ingame or email me at antzj1967@yahoo.co.uk.

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#2 Aug 15 2004 at 11:43 PM Rating: Decent
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Ok, I'm not on Fenrir even, but I just have to laugh at this.
Hah hah hah hah hah hah hah.

Have you ever tried to ask anything about the NM you'd be trying to hunt to the 10-30 others there? They don't respond. Why? Because they want that 200k aaaaall to themselves.
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Those 2 items are purely luxery items and are not needed in anyway for your job. No one will examine your character and not invite you because you don't have either of these items.

Also, having these items does not make you a good player at all. There was one RNG I invited to my PT in Valkurm, knowing the accuracy woes of an Elvaan RNG, I asked if he had good equipment (so he will at least hit the Mob SOMETIMES). He replied "<Leaping Boots>". I examined him and he indeed did have Leaping Boots, however, basic Self Bow, and no +Ranged Accuracy. I told him that he would do himself much better if he sold his Leaping Boots for better RNG equipment. He seemed to think that Leaping Boots made him good, when he could have sold them for:

Self Bow +1 (more attack, +2 Ranged Accuracy)
Feather Collar (+2 Ranged Accuracy)
Royal Footman's Headband (+1 agil)
Beestinger (+1 agi, +1 dex)

Those 4 items by themselves add +5 Ranged Accuracy, while Leaping Boots only add +1.5 RA.

Remember, it's about how good of a player you are, not how good your equipment is. Just remember to keep updated on equipment (NM drops and +1 items are luxery, and are not at all necessary to make you a good player as long as you know your role and do it well).

I'd take an underequiped THF with bad armor if they know how to SATA really well. I can't stand seeing uber equiped THF's not know a dang thing about SATA.
#4 Aug 16 2004 at 2:46 PM Rating: Good
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Don't forget food!

For far less money, and only when you really need it - you can get food that will give you Agility and Dexterity.

After all, you get these boosts:

Hairpin: HP: -15 DEX: 3 AGI: 3
Boots: Def: 3 DEX: 3 AGI: 3

AGI Boosting Foods:
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Windhurst Salad Agi +5 Vit -1
Wild Onion Agi +4 Vit -6
2 Leaf Mandora Bud Agi +2 Vit -4
Frost Turnip Agi +2 Vit -4

DEX Boosting Foods:
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Roast Pipira +4 DEX, 15% ATT, etc
Boiled Tuna Head +3 DEX, +5 ACC, etc

And while these don't stack, I believe you know what you need most.

I, for one, was under the impression when I was very new that I "needed" Astral Rings. After all for a mere 500,000 gil for 2, I'd get 50 extra MP and only have to lose 50 HP!

Well, Pumpkin Pies give me +40 MP w/no cost to HP. And I've yet to spend anywhere near 500,000 gil on pies. If you look around there's either cheaper gear or temporary food items that will give you just as good - if not better - boosts than these luxury items. You don't mention what race you are, but does your RSE offer you AGI/DEX improvement?

At the very least, think of the food as investment while you farm to get the items later.
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Well, Camping these NMs will drive even the most kind hearted, helpful, patient, tree hugging, people into bitter, angry, selfish, bloodthirsty bastards. I only camp them when I really, really want the equipment for my job, as I feel it is the least I can do to pull my weight as a Drg. To ask someone to help you With these NMs is really asking way too much. I only help LS members and close friends, and even when I'm doing that, I kick myself for being so sweet ^_^. I think it is something you should do by yourself really, as a "learning experience". I never asked for help with these 2 NMs and have camped them both after I was high enough to solo them.

at lvl 15Drg/7War, I camped Leaping Lizzie: 4 Kills, 1 boots ( about 10 hours spent)
at lvl 45Drg/15Thf, I camped Valkrum Emperor: 2 Kills, 1 pin ( about 8 hours spent)

Both of which, I was a great deal higher than the equip able lvl. But think how uber my next Damage Dealing job will be!!!

I plan, at lvl 55 to camp for my Archers rings (this I might ask for help on. I hear it's pointless to try without TH2, and I know plenty of lvl 45+ Thfs that need the rings as well)

It's great that you want to be uber. As long as you don't expect people to do it for you.
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#6 Aug 16 2004 at 5:36 PM Rating: Decent
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ok thanks for the gr8 advice guys. im just paranoid
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#7 Aug 26 2004 at 1:06 PM Rating: Decent
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i'll help you farm in valk strom, ill stop by the Sons LS and see when your on man.
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/clap <treefiddy>
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Well said! Food is a cheap way to boost stats and having updated equipment will help a lot. I am not saying those are worthless items, but what you get back from what you pay is so little. A good example would be Archer's Knife, an NM drop, which only goes for 10k-12k at AH; and you got Acc+10. Now thats a deal^^. As a RNG with NIN sub, 2 of those for around 20k total with give me ACC+10x2.
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Gah.. i tried camping lizzy for a while (needing to wear the boots) and after many long days i still never get the boots. i wish these were RARE/EX so that only people who need to wear them can camp. And actully i have had a fwe pties (at lvl 30+) ask why i hadnt got either one of the Leaping Boots and Emp Pin yet.
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#10 Aug 27 2004 at 1:36 AM Rating: Decent
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Those 2 items are purely luxery items and are not needed in anyway for your job.


Incorrect. Seeing as how DEX and AGI are the two most important stats for a thief, these items are in fact essential. An argument could be made that they could possibly be considered luxury before 40, but after that they are necessity. Passing up on a +3 DEX, +3 AGI foot item and another +3 DEX, +3 AGI on a head slot is unforgivable and newbish at higher levels. The hairpin and boots will be worn throughout a thief's entire career. Is 250K for a piece of gear that will last 50+ levels too much to ask?


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Remember, it's about how good of a player you are, not how good your equipment is.


This is a comment only made by the extremely lazy. It is so easy to deflate a comment like this by comparing two players of equivalent skill levels. Dress one in the best gear and the other in raptor skin, or whatever. The player who actually spent effort gathering gil for the better equipment will pwn the other in every way, 24/7.

Treefiddy, please do not potentially misinform newer players by making such sweeping comments as the ones I've quoted. Gear is one of the most defining elements for maximizing damage and that is essentially a THF's top priority.

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Before I am corrected about a THF's top priority being hate control and not damage, let me state that I understand this. My point simplified:

More damage on SATA victim = More hate transferred.

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#11 Aug 27 2004 at 12:16 PM Rating: Decent
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lol Somah.

Somah does make a good point in saying that the person that has the time and patience to farm for their eq. is almost always going to own the higher skilled player. The only time I could see this failing is if they do something completely stupid, and often, or if they bought their gil for the equipment.

And again he's right about the hairpin and boots. You'll be using them always, so it isn't a bad idea to start farming for them now, or better yet, stop THF, and take up a less expensive job until you can afford them. I've heard of so many people leveling a main they don't want for money so they can start THF with leaping boots at level 7, and the hairpin at level 24 for a relatively fast and easy leveling experience.

Still, I wouldn't worry about these two items until about level 40-45, when you can effectively farm for them in about a week or two (seems like a lot of time, but you can take this time to level H2H and dagger for future fighting).
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. And actully i have had a fwe pties (at lvl 30+) ask why i hadnt got either one of the Leaping Boots and Emp Pin yet.


Mini - I am so sorry to hear this kind of junk!

After all, I think about 40 alternatives have been named that provide similar, if not better stats in this thread, yet some players are just "u suck, u don hav t3h ub34 g3a4!" Or however that would go.

I agree that I'd rather have a skilled player than one decked out in the coolest possible gear that sucks. Great gear does not a great player make.

Mini - were these players ones that had actually played your job class? I half suspect that these are people that have either a) camped it themselves to make gil or b) have heard from others that this is the "only" gear your class should have w/o knowing why.

The bottom line is this:

These are rare, hard-to-aquire items. There simply isn't a set of Leaping Boots & an Emperor Hairpin for every person that needs those stats for their job. To "require" it is insane of anyone.

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#13 Aug 27 2004 at 12:51 PM Rating: Good
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"This is a comment only made by the extremely lazy. It is so easy to deflate a comment like this by comparing two players of equivalent skill levels. Dress one in the best gear and the other in raptor skin, or whatever. The player who actually spent effort gathering gil for the better equipment will pwn the other in every way, 24/7"

So I take two players, one I give those two items and the other player to farm those two items. In your opinion the one who farmed their EQ will "pwn the other in every way, 24/7". How so? In ballista? in xp pts? So basicly farming equates to skill? Decent equipment will get the job done, leaping boots and emperor's pin will make your job even better, hence the word "luxury items." If you have the money buy it, if not, you can still do your job fine. The thing is, by saying after 40, these items are required, no its not, decent equipment and food will still be effective. So dont you misinform people as well. Food is cheaper, until you can afford these "luxury items".
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The idea of making NM drops RARE/EX is not very well thought out. You will still be competing for the drop, maybe even more so as EVERYONE will have to camp the NM to get the item.

Currently, you can try to camp the NM or farm to get the gil. Either way, it is going to take a while. However, some people don't have the patience so they choose to farm as this atleast makes you feel like you are doing something.

The nice thing about being a HUME RNG is that you can get rid of the Leaping Boots and use the RSE boots. I did this so that I could purchase my Emporer's Pin.
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rate up stephmo!

If SE had figured in for those hard to find items as NECESSARY for a particulare job class, they most likely would have put in a quest similar to the ws or af quests.

These items, yes give pretty decent boosts, but there are plenty of other ways to boost the same stats for a fraction of the price.

I mean I don't NEED a Monster Signa for my bard... I could very well eat flint caviar and cast Enchanting Etude on myself (I think that give +6 CHR... +4 from Etude, +2 from caviar?) which is like, a fraction of the price... I choose to farm/camp for the item because I want to be able to SAY "Hey, look, I got a Monster Signa!" Which in reality means either 1) I spent way too much time farming to toss away the 400k instantly or 2) I have an incredible amount of patience and nerves of steel to beat out x number of campers for Hoo... and was lucky enough to get the drop.

I mean, the +8 is nice, but its really not NECESSARY to be a good bard.
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#16 Aug 27 2004 at 2:22 PM Rating: Decent
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Well actully its other jobs asking me why i dont have them (except for one thf in decked out +1 gear who i think was just trying to put me down and show off his gear).

And i think i do, do my job very well and have had several people compliment on it.
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And i did camp lizz for a bit without even one pull towards here.


Edited, Fri Aug 27 15:22:50 2004 by MiniMagi
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#18 Aug 27 2004 at 5:43 PM Rating: Decent
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So I take two players, one I give those two items and the other player to farm those two items. In your opinion the one who farmed their EQ will "pwn the other in every way, 24/7". How so? In ballista? in xp pts? So basicly farming equates to skill? Decent equipment will get the job done, leaping boots and emperor's pin will make your job even better, hence the word "luxury items."


You can ad hoc my argument all that you like, it doesn't bother me. Regardless of what you think or say, boots and hairpin will up a thief's SATA a large and noticeable amount.

As for your second point, yes, you are correct, decent equipment gets a job done. The same can be said for hand jobs.

I'll stick to the real deal, thx.

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Food is cheaper, until you can afford these "luxury items".


Would you find it acceptable to be grouped with a 30 THF wielding a level 1 dagger? What if he was eating food?

Your type idealogy concerning equipment is why NA's are still getting laughed at by a lot of the JP's.

If you want to play the game to have a GOOD TIME, congratulations- buy all the gimped gear that you like.

If you want to play the game and actually maximize your class, buy the boots and hairpin.
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#19 Aug 27 2004 at 7:06 PM Rating: Good
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Wow, Somah i believe your post was really pointless. How are you going to compare a, say 15k Windhurstian Kuriki (lvl 34) to a 300k Leaping boots? Your acting as if they are the same amount and i bet your on of the people who Complain about thfs/rng/etc not having them.

Personally i really want Leaping Boots and Emp Hairpin. I do believe they will help me out but its not like they are easy to get. I think i have very good gear myself (Other then the fact i dont have those two items).

And how are you going to bash NA players? I'm sorry but not all NA players have bad gear. Just because you might have good gear does not mean every other person has bad gear

Another point. Some people don't have the time / nerves to get 600k (or camp) to get those two items. I am one of them. I can't stand camping and farming for more then 2 hours because 1) its boring 2) I only have a certain amount of time each day to play.

Next time you post something like that, try and sound nicer. Don't bash every THF that doesn't have 600k gear and then say they aren't good at their job.
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Would you find it acceptable to be grouped with a 30 THF wielding a level 1 dagger? What if he was eating food?


Um, nice try - but daggars & DEX/AGI gear are two entirely different things.

By your logic, you wouldn't party with my White Mage. After all, I don't have Dual Astrals (for shame!). Yup, I didn't spend nearly a million gil to get two rings that will lower my HP50 and raise my MP50.

No, silly me, I buy Pumpkin Pies. Even at 5K/stack, I don't think I've bought 20 stacks yet...I started smaller on Apple Pies, was on Mushrooms for a bit...

HOWEVER, that Pie gives me +40 MP. And I've gotten other, far less expensive +MP gear.

Seriously, try adding to the post. Look, if Leaping Boots & the Emperor Hairpin were something like +30 stat adders, you'd have a **** of an arguement on your hands.

As it stands now, ignorance of food stuffs and alternative gear is what keeps people paying a ridiculous amount for these items. Sheesh - you probably pay $30 bucks for an inferior T-Shirt because it says "Abercrombie & Fitch" on it.
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#21 Aug 28 2004 at 1:25 AM Rating: Default
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By your logic, you wouldn't party with my White Mage. After all, I don't have Dual Astrals (for shame!). Yup, I didn't spend nearly a million gil to get two rings that will lower my HP50 and raise my MP50.

No, silly me, I buy Pumpkin Pies. Even at 5K/stack, I don't think I've bought 20 stacks yet...I started smaller on Apple Pies, was on Mushrooms for a bit...

HOWEVER, that Pie gives me +40 MP. And I've gotten other, far less expensive +MP gear.


And the same mage, eating the same pie, while wearing Astrals will have a higher base MP. What is your point? You are arguing all over the place, but not with me. Either directly address me or stfu, kthxdrivethrough.

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Seriously, try adding to the post. Look, if Leaping Boots & the Emperor Hairpin were something like +30 stat adders, you'd have a **** of an arguement on your hands.


Seriously, try adding to your post. Look, if there are any other +3 AGI/ +3 DEX or greater, head or feet slot items (barring Winged, since they are synthed from Leaping), feel free to point them out to me. Those two items are considered the BEST items for their corrosponding slots. They might as well be +30 stat items, because you will find nothing better.

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#22 Aug 28 2004 at 7:09 PM Rating: Decent
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Somah, personally for your own sake i'd stop arguing with ppl when a lot of people think your wrong (i have been monitoring your PostRating since u posted that first post bashing thieves that don't wear 300k items.

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You expect your tank to have updated gear? Yes.

You expect your BLM to have all spells to blow up the mob better? Yes.

You expect your WHM to have all spells to keep you alive? Yes.

You expect your mages to have Dark staves to lower downtime? Yes.

You expect your damage dealers to have +acc/dex gear so they hit the mob? Yes.

You expect a THF to have tons of +DEX/AGI (i.e. Leaping Boots/Winged Boots(+1) and Emp's Pin) so that SATA works good? Yes.

These are *required* post-50. If you are missing something, you are a gimp.
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Unfortunately, I do have to agree with Somah and Elletrix on this one.

At a certain point in every jobs career, some items are considered luxury, then they're absolutely required. You wouldn't expect to get into AscendantSky or their rival HNM LS with mediocre gear would you?

There comes a point in a party where everyone has to do their part to their fullest, or they end up killing 5 other peoples EXP time for their lack of patience. Simply put, you will have to get these items at one time or another, so why not bite the bullet and get it done and over with?

Of course no one expects to see a THF wearing Leaping Boots at level 7 and Emp. Hairpin at 24, but it does end up making them respect you more for your dedication to your job.

I mean, what would you say if I showed up in a Divine Breastplate at level 40 with two Astrals, and a Light Staff +1 in tow for when I hit 51?
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I think the message is getting severely muddled here - and I'd like to say that Somah's opinion is reason that it gets so terrible.

At 45, THF2 will make farming for these items a breeze. Yes, to have 600K worth of gear at 50 shouldn't be an issue. (I half suspect LB1 is so difficult so as to force you to take a break and do other things that will make you more gil.)

However, if you check Mini's statements from before and our ORIGINAL poster, there are those that are behaving as if these are required the second that you're able to equip the items.

For the VAST majority of players this will never be possible at that level. I think this is one of the reasons NM camping has become such a hot topic - one of the main reasons people suddenly want to see things RARE/EX or "once a month" drops.

People know about the great gear, and I believe people want the best gear for their end-game job. If there's anything that I've noticed is common, it is that people level up several jobs before deciding on their end-game job.

This freedom allows people to do a lot of different things. However, you have the original poster believing he has to stop RIGHT NOW and get these items - he's a level 30 THF. A level where food and alternative gear will more than get the job done (his hume RSE for one). If he decides THF is his end-game job, that changes a lot of things.

And, as far as "full book of spells" goes - I know that there are those that forgive lack of Erase right away and lack of Dispel immediately because of their rarity and expense. I in no way think that I'll go too much longer without Erase - but at 38 now, I'm better able to farm and fish in certain areas than I was at 32 when the spell was first available.

Oddly, not a single party I've been in has been concerned with Erase as of yet.
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Yes, i agree that if you don't thave them past say lvl 50 that isn't too good. But somah is acting like if you don't have the at the exact point yyou can wear them, then you plan out suck
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#27 Aug 29 2004 at 9:47 AM Rating: Decent
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I think the message is getting severely muddled here - and I'd like to say that Somah's opinion is reason that it gets so terrible.


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But somah is acting like if you don't have the at the exact point yyou can wear them, then you plan out suck


Try again. If you took the effort to read my original post, you would discover that OMG, I was correcting Treefiddy's blatantly incorrect statement of:

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Those 2 items are purely luxery items and are not needed in anyway for your job.


I never stated anything besides my opinion, which is that the boots and hairpin are in fact necessary for a THF. Go reread my original post. I said nothing about equipping those item the second they are available. For those with short attention spans or ADHD:

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An argument could be made that they could possibly be considered luxury before 40, but after that they are necessity.


Learn to comprehend or let this thread die, imo.

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Somah,

You tell other people to read, yet you completely missed the entire point of my first post. Lets see if you can read the rest of this post to understand what I was saying in the first place.

The point of my post is, don't worry about getting the "Luxery" (they ARE luxery for a level 30) items until you have the other Necessary items for your Job. Lets say I PT'd with this RNG one time... WAIT... I already told this story... Hmm, since you conviently excluded that from your post calling me an "idiot" and the "reason JPs still laugh at us", I'll repost it here.

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There was one RNG I invited to my PT in Valkurm, knowing the accuracy woes of an Elvaan RNG, I asked if he had good equipment (so he will at least hit the Mob SOMETIMES). He replied "<Leaping Boots>". I examined him and he indeed did have Leaping Boots, however, basic Self Bow, and no +Ranged Accuracy. I told him that he would do himself much better if he sold his Leaping Boots for better RNG equipment. He seemed to think that Leaping Boots made him good, when he could have sold them for:

Self Bow +1 (more attack, +2 Ranged Accuracy)
Feather Collar (+2 Ranged Accuracy)
Royal Footman's Headband (+1 agil)
Beestinger (+1 agi, +1 dex)

Those 4 items by themselves add +5 Ranged Accuracy, while Leaping Boots only add +1.5 RA.


You mean... you agree with that RNG that Leaping Boots are far better than the equipment I listed for his current level? Of course you don't, but some people don't have the gil at that moment to spend on their character (Especially a newly level 30 player). They would be better to keep ultra updated on their other gear (which added up would still cost 1/3 of what Leeping Boots are), than buy Leaping Boots or Emp Hairpin.

Also, in your horrible example trying to further prove your arguement that I'm an "idiot", you gave someone a level 1 dagger. Let me requote myself from the same post that you picked and choose what you wanted everyone else to see:

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Remember, it's about how good of a player you are, not how good your equipment is. Just remember to keep updated on equipment (NM drops and +1 items are luxery, and are not at all necessary to make you a good player as long as you know your role and do it well).

I'd take an underequiped THF with bad armor if they know how to SATA really well. I can't stand seeing uber equiped THF's not know a dang thing about SATA.


There you have it. Yes, I would much rather PT with a THF that knows what they are doing and has updated equipment, than a THF that doesn't but is Uber Equiped. They may have Leaping Boots and an Emp Hairpin, but they are causing more downtime by not knowing how to do their job than someone who is less equiped but does know how to do their job.

I'm sorry my view doesn't fit with your elitist attitude, but my response was to a Level 30 Thief, not someone who is level 50+ with hope to be invited to a HNM LS. I do agree, that by level 50, a THF should have both of these items, but they are not necessary at level 30.

The only time one of these items is absolutely necessary, is if you are a Ninja planning to Blink Tank. If that is the case, you must absolutely have Emp Hairpin. My reasoning for the differing viewpoint is that if your doing NIN (one of the most expensive jobs), then you should already know how much money you need to put into it. Blink tanking pre 37 works well, but only if you have high evasion to allow your shadows to last longer.
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Again though, the chances of a person having uber equips and sucking are just about slim to none if they leveled through 'conventional' means. In other words, they didn't get their skills from ebay.

Again, the chances of someone getting these two items in specific, or any 'luxury' item their first time through is highly unlikely, and honestly, I've yet to see any party **** over a THF missing these items in specific pre-45.

So, that being said, The chances of a player having these pieces also increases the chances that they know what they're doing for the simple fact no one in their right mind will take the time to farm these at level 7 and 24 before continuing their leveling.
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I think the message is getting severely muddled here - and I'd like to say that Somah's opinion is reason that it gets so terrible.


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But somah is acting like if you don't have the at the exact point yyou can wear them, then you plan out suck


Try again. If you took the effort to read my original post, you would discover that OMG, I was correcting Treefiddy's blatantly incorrect statement of:

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Those 2 items are purely luxery items and are not needed in anyway for your job.


I never stated anything besides my opinion, which is that the boots and hairpin are in fact necessary for a THF. Go reread my original post. I said nothing about equipping those item the second they are available. For those with short attention spans or ADHD:

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An argument could be made that they could possibly be considered luxury before 40, but after that they are necessity.


Learn to comprehend or let this thread die, imo.

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I'll have to admitt that I orriginally misinterpreted your orriginal post as well, sOmah, but didn't say anything because I don't like to get into flame wars. Thanks for the clarification.

Since my main will be nin (nin/war) these 2 items are necessary for me anyway (much more so than for a thf), so I will have them for both jobs.

As a thf in the lvl 30 to 40 range though I actually wish there were more DEX/STR + items than the DEX/AGI (except for the case THF/RNG for ranged accuracy).

My reason: At this level range my thf basically only gets hit when pulling and with AOE spells/abilities when in an exp party. Therefore the AGI for evasion/ranged accuracy is not really necessary (Again if I were THF/RNG this would not apply). It would be nice to be able to pack a little more punch in between SATA's and thus increase the long term average of damage delt. ----> Note this is just my opinion and you are welcome to disagree.

Anyway to get back to the point, to max out DEX and thus max out SATA damage every thf should look into getting these items eventually. Personally, I have no luck NM camping so now I'm farming for a living. (/sigh) 300K gil down, 300K to go.


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I can't post fast enough while I'm at work. Didn't read the 2 posts above before I posted this.

Edited, Mon Aug 30 15:12:56 2004 by VBigB[quote][/quote]
The only time one of these items is absolutely necessary, is if you are a Ninja planning to Blink Tank. If that is the case, you must absolutely have Emp Hairpin. My reasoning for the differing viewpoint is that if your doing NIN (one of the most expensive jobs), then you should already know how much money you need to put into it. Blink tanking pre 37 works well, but only if you have high evasion to allow your shadows to last longer.[quote]

I totally agree which is why I need them anyway.

Edited, Mon Aug 30 15:18:45 2004 by VBigB
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#31 Aug 30 2004 at 2:49 PM Rating: Decent
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Treefiddy,

Emp Hairpin & Leaping Boots != luxury items for a THF. They last him all the way to 75, and are required at one point or another. Somah was simply saying the earlier you get these pieces, the better off you will be, and by opting to use food in lieu of (as opposed to using BOTH), you're deluding yourself.

The fact that you say NIN need this item at 30 and yet THF doesn't just makes me confused. Are you saying NIN are EXPECTED to dump boatloads of gil into their job and other jobs AREN'T?

/baffle Going with your logic, I would be forced to say that the THF should be the one who HAS to have these items, as the already expensive cost of NIN would be busting his balls.

Whatever, though, I don't look for Emp Hairpin or Leaping Boots on a THF when I go to invite him, it just shows to me that a player with those items is taking the time to make their character the best they can be when they do have these items.

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Wow, this thread has really gone off on a tangent.

To the orriginal poster: Not sure if you will find anyone to help you. I know that in my LS we generally help each other out and that includes NM hunting, but we do not help people outside the LS for NM's. Why? NM hunting is frustrating.

I've personally tried for about 24 hours total to get emp (PT of 2 lvl 35 people - myself and a ranger). I always get beat by someone else with a faster trigger finger. I'm fed up. Now I'm just going to buy it because with the time I've wasted trying to get the hairpin from the NM I could have farmed more than enough raw material to sell at the AH/bazar to pay for it. At least by farming I have a guaranteed return on investment (the investment being my time), wheras by camping the NM there is no guarantee. It's extremely frustrating if you finally do get the NM and then don't get the drop.

So in closing, you may want to decide where your priorities lie and try other options like I did.
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Emp Hairpin & Leaping Boots != luxury items for a THF. They last him all the way to 75, and are required at one point or another. Somah was simply saying the earlier you get these pieces, the better off you will be, and by opting to use food in lieu of (as opposed to using BOTH), you're deluding yourself.

The fact that you say NIN need this item at 30 and yet THF doesn't just makes me confused. Are you saying NIN are EXPECTED to dump boatloads of gil into their job and other jobs AREN'T?

/baffle Going with your logic, I would be forced to say that the THF should be the one who HAS to have these items, as the already expensive cost of NIN would be busting his balls.

Whatever, though, I don't look for Emp Hairpin or Leaping Boots on a THF when I go to invite him, it just shows to me that a player with those items is taking the time to make their character the best they can be when they do have these items.


Thanks for at least being civil about it, nothing frustrates me more than people who call me an idiot and didn't even take the time to read my entire post or understand it.

My reasoning behind NIN's having Emp Hairpin is this: Becoming a Ninja, you already know your going to be spending the kind of money you need to spend. NIN/WAR who are planning to blink tank must have this item as NIN's aren't as good at taking damage as a Warrior or Paladin. Not only will your shadows last longer (because the Monster wills straight up miss instead of taking one of your shadows), it will also give you a bitter better chance of evading an attack while your reappling your Utsusemi (trust me, A LOT of people don't understand the back-up voke and re-apply rule). In order to effectively blink tank, you MUST have as much +Evasion as possible. If you don't have any Evasion, your only a good blink tank for the Monsters first 5 or 6 swings (reapplying before you last shadow is absorbed so as to not be interupted).

Emp Hairpin is a GREAT headpiece for a THF, but THF is a starting job and could easily be that persons only job up to that level. Not everyone has the money to buy one, and with the way NMs have been lately, near impossible to camp them yourself.

I do agree, that having a thief with Leaping Boots and Emp Hairpin does increase the chance that they know what they are doing, but it could be a kid who just bought their gil online, or figured out how to use a fishbot (which is an entirely different story). There are alternatives out there for Thf at level 30 (which is what this entire thread was started on). Personally, if I didn't already own an Emp Hairpin, I'd use a Mercenary Captain's Headgear (10 def, 1dex, 1str).

So, just to re-establish my view on it, I truely do believe that Emp Hairpin and Leaping Boots are Luxery items for most players. Yes, once they reach a certain level, they should farm enough to buy it, or camp the NM for the drop. But for them to not be classified as Luxery means that everyone should have them (which is not the case, everyone past a certain level should have them, making them a luxery up to a point).

I agree that these items are the best and should be purchased or obtained by any one who would benefit from them if they are in their 50's, but at level 30, it's almost asking too much for someone to MUST have something that is that expensive. Going by that philosophy, you should expect everyone you PT with to eat only Chiefkabobs/Pie +1/Witchkabobs/Steamed Crabs. Even into the 40's i'm still excited when I see that my PT is actually using food (even if it is just the regular versions). Hell, when I pop a Melon/Pumpkin Pie +1, I usually get a /tell saying "???>> Dang dude, are you rich or something?" or "???>> How much do those cost?".

By the logic that you must have the best equipment all the time no matter what, then everyone should be eating the most expensive food they can, because even though Mithkabobs add +5 str and extras, Chiefkabobs add +6 str and even better extras. Chiefkabobs are a luxery at lower levels.

And please don't bring up HNM LS's that's the definition of Luxery. lol
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My reason: At this level range my thf basically only gets hit when pulling and with AOE spells/abilities when in an exp party. Therefore the AGI for evasion/ranged accuracy is not really necessary (Again if I were THF/RNG this would not apply). It would be nice to be able to pack a little more punch in between SATA's and thus increase the long term average of damage delt. ----> Note this is just my opinion and you are welcome to disagree.




AGI For a THF upps his/her Trick Attack Damage, not just evasion, and ranged acc.

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My reason: At this level range my thf basically only gets hit when pulling and with AOE spells/abilities when in an exp party. Therefore the AGI for evasion/ranged accuracy is not really necessary (Again if I were THF/RNG this would not apply). It would be nice to be able to pack a little more punch in between SATA's and thus increase the long term average of damage delt. ----> Note this is just my opinion and you are welcome to disagree.




AGI For a THF upps his/her Trick Attack Damage, not just evasion, and ranged acc.



See I wasn't aware of this. I haven't gone through the thf forums too much since I'm likely only going to 45 with thf anyway.

I notice you just said TA and not SA. Does AGI affect just TA and Dex affect SA? Even if that is not the case both attributes apply to SATA damage and therefor as far as damage is concerned only occurs twice in one fight (one SATA and one SATA + WS). At level 30 - 35 anyway, if your using SATA more than twice your PT is taking way too long to kill things. As a mithra I would still like to compensate a little for the lack of strength for the 100 other hits on the mob that are doing a **** 5 DMG (little bit of an exageration).

Anyway I don't know why I'm arguing the point so I'll stop, since I'm getting both the Emp hairpin and the Leaping boots anyway. lol
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notice you just said TA and not SA. Does AGI affect just TA and Dex affect SA?


Yes, agility is the modifier for Trick, while Dexterity modifies your Sneak Attack.

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At level 30 - 35 anyway, if your using SATA more than twice your PT is taking way too long to kill things.


In theory, you shouldn't just be firing SATA off everytime it is up (I usually do, but I trust my PLD). You are hate distribution first and a damage dealer second. It should be your main concern to drop aggro back on your MT if he happens to lose control of the mob. I understand that while at your level the damage you can do by firing off a handful of SATAs in comparison to that of the damage dealt by other classes is amazing and quite tempting, it should still be avoided. It is always better to learn your class' role ASAP.

As a small after thought, you are preloading SATA, correct? If you pop SATA before the pull or soon after you can sit on it and fire off a second on your trick buddy almost immediately after the intial hit.
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In theory, you shouldn't just be firing SATA off everytime it is up (I usually do, but I trust my PLD). You are hate distribution first and a damage dealer second. It should be your main concern to drop aggro back on your MT if he happens to lose control of the mob. I understand that while at your level the damage you can do by firing off a handful of SATAs in comparison to that of the damage dealt by other classes is amazing and quite tempting, it should still be avoided. It is always better to learn your class' role ASAP.


Yes I do realize this and if I'm not with my usual PT, I always make sure to establish the rules of who, when, and if I SATA. There are certain party makeups where I hardly SATA at all if there is not a good trick partner and thus SA and TA seperately (TA to keep the hate on the main tank).

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As a small after thought, you are preloading SATA, correct? If you pop SATA before the pull or soon after you can sit on it and fire off a second on your trick buddy almost immediately after the intial hit.


Yes I do realize this and if you can explain to the tanks how to set up quickly this works extremely well, but at level 35 there are still those who don't get how to work with theifs. Before I get bashed for saying this, there are still thiefs as well that don't know thier jobs yet and will SATA off of anyone in the party (if they are behind the mob be it a tank or not) just to get the damage with total disreguard for hate control.

Reguardless of class it is important to learn your role ASAP, I totally agree with you.

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At level 30 - 35 anyway, if your using SATA more than twice your PT is taking way too long to kill things.


I should put a little more thought into some things before I speak. If the party is working well together and you are preloading, it is not uncommon to get two SATA's off close to the start of the fight.

Edit: Spelling! I have to stop posting at 4 AM. Too tired to proof read.

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#38 Sep 02 2004 at 4:28 PM Rating: Default
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~ I have to agree with somah's original post. Emperor Hairpin and Leaping Boots are two of the best items you can obtain by drop and benefit various jobs through their career, not becoming obsolete like other items. As for your food comment, thats the stupidest thing ive ever heard. IMO if you have a subjob you should be buying food for your job, you've reached a Lv decent enough to afford some form of food. With this being said, you really should always have those added +stat, therefore having food + one of these elite items increases twofold. As for Somah's better gear = better player. I have to agree to some extent. I do believe that if they had become the proud owner of one of these items, they show some experience(how often do you see fresh meat with elite gear) However in my experience 10-30, ive partied with guys with these items and are horrible with SATA, etc. I'll end with this being said, your gear does reflect yourself and your ability, RL armor in our history has carried great value as does it even in FFXI. Every time I see my BRD donned in his full gear it leaves a nice warm feeling inside \ (^_^) /. This is just a game, no worth arguing over, everyone has different views and opinions, so let's respect them. See ya out there. /hurray motion

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