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#1 Aug 15 2004 at 10:21 PM Rating: Decent
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Is there anyone on the server that can help me get leaping boots and Emperors Hairpin from the NMs? i know this could take a bit of time and im real sorry to ask for help but im not to gr8 at NM hunting and havent got anywhere near enough gil to buy 1 of these items never mind the both of them. im UK so im on at different times than most but if u could help me plz
/t Xanthus ingame or email me at antzj1967@yahoo.co.uk.

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#2 Aug 15 2004 at 11:43 PM Rating: Decent
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Ok, I'm not on Fenrir even, but I just have to laugh at this.
Hah hah hah hah hah hah hah.

Have you ever tried to ask anything about the NM you'd be trying to hunt to the 10-30 others there? They don't respond. Why? Because they want that 200k aaaaall to themselves.
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#3 Aug 16 2004 at 2:14 PM Rating: Good
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Those 2 items are purely luxery items and are not needed in anyway for your job. No one will examine your character and not invite you because you don't have either of these items.

Also, having these items does not make you a good player at all. There was one RNG I invited to my PT in Valkurm, knowing the accuracy woes of an Elvaan RNG, I asked if he had good equipment (so he will at least hit the Mob SOMETIMES). He replied "<Leaping Boots>". I examined him and he indeed did have Leaping Boots, however, basic Self Bow, and no +Ranged Accuracy. I told him that he would do himself much better if he sold his Leaping Boots for better RNG equipment. He seemed to think that Leaping Boots made him good, when he could have sold them for:

Self Bow +1 (more attack, +2 Ranged Accuracy)
Feather Collar (+2 Ranged Accuracy)
Royal Footman's Headband (+1 agil)
Beestinger (+1 agi, +1 dex)

Those 4 items by themselves add +5 Ranged Accuracy, while Leaping Boots only add +1.5 RA.

Remember, it's about how good of a player you are, not how good your equipment is. Just remember to keep updated on equipment (NM drops and +1 items are luxery, and are not at all necessary to make you a good player as long as you know your role and do it well).

I'd take an underequiped THF with bad armor if they know how to SATA really well. I can't stand seeing uber equiped THF's not know a dang thing about SATA.
#4 Aug 16 2004 at 2:46 PM Rating: Good
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Don't forget food!

For far less money, and only when you really need it - you can get food that will give you Agility and Dexterity.

After all, you get these boosts:

Hairpin: HP: -15 DEX: 3 AGI: 3
Boots: Def: 3 DEX: 3 AGI: 3

AGI Boosting Foods:
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Windhurst Salad Agi +5 Vit -1
Wild Onion Agi +4 Vit -6
2 Leaf Mandora Bud Agi +2 Vit -4
Frost Turnip Agi +2 Vit -4

DEX Boosting Foods:
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Roast Pipira +4 DEX, 15% ATT, etc
Boiled Tuna Head +3 DEX, +5 ACC, etc

And while these don't stack, I believe you know what you need most.

I, for one, was under the impression when I was very new that I "needed" Astral Rings. After all for a mere 500,000 gil for 2, I'd get 50 extra MP and only have to lose 50 HP!

Well, Pumpkin Pies give me +40 MP w/no cost to HP. And I've yet to spend anywhere near 500,000 gil on pies. If you look around there's either cheaper gear or temporary food items that will give you just as good - if not better - boosts than these luxury items. You don't mention what race you are, but does your RSE offer you AGI/DEX improvement?

At the very least, think of the food as investment while you farm to get the items later.
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#5 Aug 16 2004 at 3:22 PM Rating: Decent
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Well, Camping these NMs will drive even the most kind hearted, helpful, patient, tree hugging, people into bitter, angry, selfish, bloodthirsty bastards. I only camp them when I really, really want the equipment for my job, as I feel it is the least I can do to pull my weight as a Drg. To ask someone to help you With these NMs is really asking way too much. I only help LS members and close friends, and even when I'm doing that, I kick myself for being so sweet ^_^. I think it is something you should do by yourself really, as a "learning experience". I never asked for help with these 2 NMs and have camped them both after I was high enough to solo them.

at lvl 15Drg/7War, I camped Leaping Lizzie: 4 Kills, 1 boots ( about 10 hours spent)
at lvl 45Drg/15Thf, I camped Valkrum Emperor: 2 Kills, 1 pin ( about 8 hours spent)

Both of which, I was a great deal higher than the equip able lvl. But think how uber my next Damage Dealing job will be!!!

I plan, at lvl 55 to camp for my Archers rings (this I might ask for help on. I hear it's pointless to try without TH2, and I know plenty of lvl 45+ Thfs that need the rings as well)

It's great that you want to be uber. As long as you don't expect people to do it for you.
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#6 Aug 16 2004 at 5:36 PM Rating: Decent
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ok thanks for the gr8 advice guys. im just paranoid
/em goes to get his pills XD
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#7 Aug 26 2004 at 1:06 PM Rating: Decent
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i'll help you farm in valk strom, ill stop by the Sons LS and see when your on man.
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Well said! Food is a cheap way to boost stats and having updated equipment will help a lot. I am not saying those are worthless items, but what you get back from what you pay is so little. A good example would be Archer's Knife, an NM drop, which only goes for 10k-12k at AH; and you got Acc+10. Now thats a deal^^. As a RNG with NIN sub, 2 of those for around 20k total with give me ACC+10x2.
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Gah.. i tried camping lizzy for a while (needing to wear the boots) and after many long days i still never get the boots. i wish these were RARE/EX so that only people who need to wear them can camp. And actully i have had a fwe pties (at lvl 30+) ask why i hadnt got either one of the Leaping Boots and Emp Pin yet.
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#10 Aug 27 2004 at 1:36 AM Rating: Decent
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Those 2 items are purely luxery items and are not needed in anyway for your job.


Incorrect. Seeing as how DEX and AGI are the two most important stats for a thief, these items are in fact essential. An argument could be made that they could possibly be considered luxury before 40, but after that they are necessity. Passing up on a +3 DEX, +3 AGI foot item and another +3 DEX, +3 AGI on a head slot is unforgivable and newbish at higher levels. The hairpin and boots will be worn throughout a thief's entire career. Is 250K for a piece of gear that will last 50+ levels too much to ask?


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Remember, it's about how good of a player you are, not how good your equipment is.


This is a comment only made by the extremely lazy. It is so easy to deflate a comment like this by comparing two players of equivalent skill levels. Dress one in the best gear and the other in raptor skin, or whatever. The player who actually spent effort gathering gil for the better equipment will pwn the other in every way, 24/7.

Treefiddy, please do not potentially misinform newer players by making such sweeping comments as the ones I've quoted. Gear is one of the most defining elements for maximizing damage and that is essentially a THF's top priority.

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Before I am corrected about a THF's top priority being hate control and not damage, let me state that I understand this. My point simplified:

More damage on SATA victim = More hate transferred.

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#11 Aug 27 2004 at 12:16 PM Rating: Decent
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lol Somah.

Somah does make a good point in saying that the person that has the time and patience to farm for their eq. is almost always going to own the higher skilled player. The only time I could see this failing is if they do something completely stupid, and often, or if they bought their gil for the equipment.

And again he's right about the hairpin and boots. You'll be using them always, so it isn't a bad idea to start farming for them now, or better yet, stop THF, and take up a less expensive job until you can afford them. I've heard of so many people leveling a main they don't want for money so they can start THF with leaping boots at level 7, and the hairpin at level 24 for a relatively fast and easy leveling experience.

Still, I wouldn't worry about these two items until about level 40-45, when you can effectively farm for them in about a week or two (seems like a lot of time, but you can take this time to level H2H and dagger for future fighting).
#12 Aug 27 2004 at 12:33 PM Rating: Good
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. And actully i have had a fwe pties (at lvl 30+) ask why i hadnt got either one of the Leaping Boots and Emp Pin yet.


Mini - I am so sorry to hear this kind of junk!

After all, I think about 40 alternatives have been named that provide similar, if not better stats in this thread, yet some players are just "u suck, u don hav t3h ub34 g3a4!" Or however that would go.

I agree that I'd rather have a skilled player than one decked out in the coolest possible gear that sucks. Great gear does not a great player make.

Mini - were these players ones that had actually played your job class? I half suspect that these are people that have either a) camped it themselves to make gil or b) have heard from others that this is the "only" gear your class should have w/o knowing why.

The bottom line is this:

These are rare, hard-to-aquire items. There simply isn't a set of Leaping Boots & an Emperor Hairpin for every person that needs those stats for their job. To "require" it is insane of anyone.

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#13 Aug 27 2004 at 12:51 PM Rating: Good
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"This is a comment only made by the extremely lazy. It is so easy to deflate a comment like this by comparing two players of equivalent skill levels. Dress one in the best gear and the other in raptor skin, or whatever. The player who actually spent effort gathering gil for the better equipment will pwn the other in every way, 24/7"

So I take two players, one I give those two items and the other player to farm those two items. In your opinion the one who farmed their EQ will "pwn the other in every way, 24/7". How so? In ballista? in xp pts? So basicly farming equates to skill? Decent equipment will get the job done, leaping boots and emperor's pin will make your job even better, hence the word "luxury items." If you have the money buy it, if not, you can still do your job fine. The thing is, by saying after 40, these items are required, no its not, decent equipment and food will still be effective. So dont you misinform people as well. Food is cheaper, until you can afford these "luxury items".
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The idea of making NM drops RARE/EX is not very well thought out. You will still be competing for the drop, maybe even more so as EVERYONE will have to camp the NM to get the item.

Currently, you can try to camp the NM or farm to get the gil. Either way, it is going to take a while. However, some people don't have the patience so they choose to farm as this atleast makes you feel like you are doing something.

The nice thing about being a HUME RNG is that you can get rid of the Leaping Boots and use the RSE boots. I did this so that I could purchase my Emporer's Pin.
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rate up stephmo!

If SE had figured in for those hard to find items as NECESSARY for a particulare job class, they most likely would have put in a quest similar to the ws or af quests.

These items, yes give pretty decent boosts, but there are plenty of other ways to boost the same stats for a fraction of the price.

I mean I don't NEED a Monster Signa for my bard... I could very well eat flint caviar and cast Enchanting Etude on myself (I think that give +6 CHR... +4 from Etude, +2 from caviar?) which is like, a fraction of the price... I choose to farm/camp for the item because I want to be able to SAY "Hey, look, I got a Monster Signa!" Which in reality means either 1) I spent way too much time farming to toss away the 400k instantly or 2) I have an incredible amount of patience and nerves of steel to beat out x number of campers for Hoo... and was lucky enough to get the drop.

I mean, the +8 is nice, but its really not NECESSARY to be a good bard.
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#16 Aug 27 2004 at 2:22 PM Rating: Decent
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Well actully its other jobs asking me why i dont have them (except for one thf in decked out +1 gear who i think was just trying to put me down and show off his gear).

And i think i do, do my job very well and have had several people compliment on it.
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And i did camp lizz for a bit without even one pull towards here.


Edited, Fri Aug 27 15:22:50 2004 by MiniMagi
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#18 Aug 27 2004 at 5:43 PM Rating: Decent
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So I take two players, one I give those two items and the other player to farm those two items. In your opinion the one who farmed their EQ will "pwn the other in every way, 24/7". How so? In ballista? in xp pts? So basicly farming equates to skill? Decent equipment will get the job done, leaping boots and emperor's pin will make your job even better, hence the word "luxury items."


You can ad hoc my argument all that you like, it doesn't bother me. Regardless of what you think or say, boots and hairpin will up a thief's SATA a large and noticeable amount.

As for your second point, yes, you are correct, decent equipment gets a job done. The same can be said for hand jobs.

I'll stick to the real deal, thx.

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Food is cheaper, until you can afford these "luxury items".


Would you find it acceptable to be grouped with a 30 THF wielding a level 1 dagger? What if he was eating food?

Your type idealogy concerning equipment is why NA's are still getting laughed at by a lot of the JP's.

If you want to play the game to have a GOOD TIME, congratulations- buy all the gimped gear that you like.

If you want to play the game and actually maximize your class, buy the boots and hairpin.
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Wow, Somah i believe your post was really pointless. How are you going to compare a, say 15k Windhurstian Kuriki (lvl 34) to a 300k Leaping boots? Your acting as if they are the same amount and i bet your on of the people who Complain about thfs/rng/etc not having them.

Personally i really want Leaping Boots and Emp Hairpin. I do believe they will help me out but its not like they are easy to get. I think i have very good gear myself (Other then the fact i dont have those two items).

And how are you going to bash NA players? I'm sorry but not all NA players have bad gear. Just because you might have good gear does not mean every other person has bad gear

Another point. Some people don't have the time / nerves to get 600k (or camp) to get those two items. I am one of them. I can't stand camping and farming for more then 2 hours because 1) its boring 2) I only have a certain amount of time each day to play.

Next time you post something like that, try and sound nicer. Don't bash every THF that doesn't have 600k gear and then say they aren't good at their job.
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Would you find it acceptable to be grouped with a 30 THF wielding a level 1 dagger? What if he was eating food?


Um, nice try - but daggars & DEX/AGI gear are two entirely different things.

By your logic, you wouldn't party with my White Mage. After all, I don't have Dual Astrals (for shame!). Yup, I didn't spend nearly a million gil to get two rings that will lower my HP50 and raise my MP50.

No, silly me, I buy Pumpkin Pies. Even at 5K/stack, I don't think I've bought 20 stacks yet...I started smaller on Apple Pies, was on Mushrooms for a bit...

HOWEVER, that Pie gives me +40 MP. And I've gotten other, far less expensive +MP gear.

Seriously, try adding to the post. Look, if Leaping Boots & the Emperor Hairpin were something like +30 stat adders, you'd have a **** of an arguement on your hands.

As it stands now, ignorance of food stuffs and alternative gear is what keeps people paying a ridiculous amount for these items. Sheesh - you probably pay $30 bucks for an inferior T-Shirt because it says "Abercrombie & Fitch" on it.
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By your logic, you wouldn't party with my White Mage. After all, I don't have Dual Astrals (for shame!). Yup, I didn't spend nearly a million gil to get two rings that will lower my HP50 and raise my MP50.

No, silly me, I buy Pumpkin Pies. Even at 5K/stack, I don't think I've bought 20 stacks yet...I started smaller on Apple Pies, was on Mushrooms for a bit...

HOWEVER, that Pie gives me +40 MP. And I've gotten other, far less expensive +MP gear.


And the same mage, eating the same pie, while wearing Astrals will have a higher base MP. What is your point? You are arguing all over the place, but not with me. Either directly address me or stfu, kthxdrivethrough.

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Seriously, try adding to the post. Look, if Leaping Boots & the Emperor Hairpin were something like +30 stat adders, you'd have a **** of an arguement on your hands.


Seriously, try adding to your post. Look, if there are any other +3 AGI/ +3 DEX or greater, head or feet slot items (barring Winged, since they are synthed from Leaping), feel free to point them out to me. Those two items are considered the BEST items for their corrosponding slots. They might as well be +30 stat items, because you will find nothing better.

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Somah, personally for your own sake i'd stop arguing with ppl when a lot of people think your wrong (i have been monitoring your PostRating since u posted that first post bashing thieves that don't wear 300k items.

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You expect your tank to have updated gear? Yes.

You expect your BLM to have all spells to blow up the mob better? Yes.

You expect your WHM to have all spells to keep you alive? Yes.

You expect your mages to have Dark staves to lower downtime? Yes.

You expect your damage dealers to have +acc/dex gear so they hit the mob? Yes.

You expect a THF to have tons of +DEX/AGI (i.e. Leaping Boots/Winged Boots(+1) and Emp's Pin) so that SATA works good? Yes.

These are *required* post-50. If you are missing something, you are a gimp.
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Unfortunately, I do have to agree with Somah and Elletrix on this one.

At a certain point in every jobs career, some items are considered luxury, then they're absolutely required. You wouldn't expect to get into AscendantSky or their rival HNM LS with mediocre gear would you?

There comes a point in a party where everyone has to do their part to their fullest, or they end up killing 5 other peoples EXP time for their lack of patience. Simply put, you will have to get these items at one time or another, so why not bite the bullet and get it done and over with?

Of course no one expects to see a THF wearing Leaping Boots at level 7 and Emp. Hairpin at 24, but it does end up making them respect you more for your dedication to your job.

I mean, what would you say if I showed up in a Divine Breastplate at level 40 with two Astrals, and a Light Staff +1 in tow for when I hit 51?
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I think the message is getting severely muddled here - and I'd like to say that Somah's opinion is reason that it gets so terrible.

At 45, THF2 will make farming for these items a breeze. Yes, to have 600K worth of gear at 50 shouldn't be an issue. (I half suspect LB1 is so difficult so as to force you to take a break and do other things that will make you more gil.)

However, if you check Mini's statements from before and our ORIGINAL poster, there are those that are behaving as if these are required the second that you're able to equip the items.

For the VAST majority of players this will never be possible at that level. I think this is one of the reasons NM camping has become such a hot topic - one of the main reasons people suddenly want to see things RARE/EX or "once a month" drops.

People know about the great gear, and I believe people want the best gear for their end-game job. If there's anything that I've noticed is common, it is that people level up several jobs before deciding on their end-game job.

This freedom allows people to do a lot of different things. However, you have the original poster believing he has to stop RIGHT NOW and get these items - he's a level 30 THF. A level where food and alternative gear will more than get the job done (his hume RSE for one). If he decides THF is his end-game job, that changes a lot of things.

And, as far as "full book of spells" goes - I know that there are those that forgive lack of Erase right away and lack of Dispel immediately because of their rarity and expense. I in no way think that I'll go too much longer without Erase - but at 38 now, I'm better able to farm and fish in certain areas than I was at 32 when the spell was first available.

Oddly, not a single party I've been in has been concerned with Erase as of yet.
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Yes, i agree that if you don't thave them past say lvl 50 that isn't too good. But somah is acting like if you don't have the at the exact point yyou can wear them, then you plan out suck
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