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#3052 Jun 02 2017 at 6:06 PM Rating: Good
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Not sure if this is the best place to put this, but it is a study of the effects of raising minimum wage on employment / unemployment since the first one in 1938. Over at Business Insider.
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Not sure if this is the best place to put this, but it is a study of the effects of raising minimum wage on employment / unemployment since the first one in 1938. Over at Business Insider.


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Not sure if this is the best place to put this, but it is a study of the effects of raising minimum wage on employment / unemployment since the first one in 1938. Over at Business Insider.
I like how it starts off talking about how there's no correlation, and then determines we should do something because of that. Smiley: rolleyes

Would have been nice if they just ended it after the first paragraph and said "look this whole thing doesn't really matter much either way, so why we find something else to bicker over?" Probably would come off as a bit of a downer though.
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Not sure if this is the best place to put this, but it is a study of the effects of raising minimum wage on employment / unemployment since the first one in 1938. Over at Business Insider.
I like how it starts off talking about how there's no correlation...


No correlation to job cuts.

the article ACTUALLY wrote:
78 years of minimum-wage hikes have produced zero evidence of the "job-killing" consequences these headline writers want us to fear


Edited, Jun 5th 2017 12:58pm by stupidmonkey
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#3056 Jun 05 2017 at 2:05 PM Rating: Good
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Professor stupidmonkey wrote:
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Not sure if this is the best place to put this, but it is a study of the effects of raising minimum wage on employment / unemployment since the first one in 1938. Over at Business Insider.
I like how it starts off talking about how there's no correlation...


No correlation to job cuts.

the article ACTUALLY wrote:
78 years of minimum-wage hikes have produced zero evidence of the "job-killing" consequences these headline writers want us to fear


Edited, Jun 5th 2017 12:58pm by stupidmonkey


Na, that's the line he has issue with, cause it goes on to explain that 8 of the 24 raises hurt the economy, but those don't really count for various reasons. And 16 of the 24 had higher employment after 12 months or something like that (paraphrasing from my phone).

So, you can see how he felt that the headlined conclusion of the article was a bit much, given the data they later explain?

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#3057 Jun 05 2017 at 2:11 PM Rating: Excellent
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Professor stupidmonkey wrote:
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Professor stupidmonkey wrote:
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Not sure if this is the best place to put this, but it is a study of the effects of raising minimum wage on employment / unemployment since the first one in 1938. Over at Business Insider.
I like how it starts off talking about how there's no correlation...


No correlation to job cuts.

the article ACTUALLY wrote:
78 years of minimum-wage hikes have produced zero evidence of the "job-killing" consequences these headline writers want us to fear


Edited, Jun 5th 2017 12:58pm by stupidmonkey
Right, but they didn't really do a good job of supporting the arguments they were using for upping the minimum wage either, which is where the Smiley: rolleyes comes in. It's a false dichotomy. Basically evidence (and decent evidence, don't mean to discount it) that the opposing side's argument is wrong, followed by poorly supported arguments about why their side is right.

Just a couple examples of poor arguments:

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Wow. If the US economy were 9% bigger than it is today, it would have created about 11 million additional jobs. Imagine how great that would be for both American workers and businesses.
That argument is not supported in the article.

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No, their core claim is that the minimum wage always hurts the whole economy — that it will always reduce growth— that it is always a sure-fire "job-killer."
Obvious strawman.

Not to say those are necessarily wrong, just that when they transition from addressing 'no correlation to job-killing' to 'let's raise the minimum wage' the evidence grows sparse.

Edited, Jun 5th 2017 1:18pm by someproteinguy
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#3058 Jun 05 2017 at 3:55 PM Rating: Good
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I hate people that make reasonable, well-thought out and researched opinions that make me look uninformed! Smiley: lol


Is this what Gbaji feels like all the time?
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#3059 Jun 05 2017 at 4:24 PM Rating: Excellent
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Is this what Gbaji feels like all the time?

I think you have him beat in self-awareness.
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#3060 Jun 05 2017 at 6:35 PM Rating: Good
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Is this what Gbaji feels like all the time?

I think you have him beat in self-awareness.

Have we done this before? This feels familiar.
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#3061 Jun 06 2017 at 7:46 AM Rating: Good
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Depends whether or not you plan on remembering this talking point but forgetting everything else.
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#3062 Jun 06 2017 at 10:26 AM Rating: Excellent
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I hate people that make reasonable, well-thought out and researched opinions that make me look uninformed! Smiley: lol
Me too. Which is why I'm assuming we don't see more well thought out articles in press. No one likes preachy academics, and everyone loves a good witch hunt. In fact, I've already sharpened my pitchfork. Smiley: wink
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#3063 Jun 06 2017 at 11:43 AM Rating: Excellent
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Depends whether or not you plan on remembering this talking point but forgetting everything else.


Look, I will remember this, like I remember everything else.

I went to the zoo once, and saw the elephants, so I literally remember everything.
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She doesn't support a livable wage, she supports job creation.

So, if I understand correctly, lot's of ****** paying jobs you can work while you starve to death.
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#3065 Jun 07 2017 at 12:05 PM Rating: Good
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To be fair, she's still pretending to care about small business, wherever that's even still a thing-- because god forbid Mom & Pop have to pay their own grand kids enough to move out of the basement.
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The Republican dominated Kansas state legislature has voted to overturn Governor Brownback's tax cuts, citing large shortfalls in the state budget, damage to state services like education, road repairs & pension payments, and a failure to stimulate the economy or create jobs.
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#3067 Jun 08 2017 at 7:38 AM Rating: Good
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In Brownback's defense, who could have possibly seen that you'd need money to pay for things?
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Slave labor is making a strong comeback. Probably worth looking into if you're building a wall anyway.
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The Republican dominated Kansas state legislature has voted to overturn Governor Brownback's tax cuts, citing large shortfalls in the state budget, damage to state services like education, road repairs & pension payments, and a failure to stimulate the economy or create jobs.


To be fair, this is Kansas we're talking about.
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One of the more conservative states in the nation? Yeah, that's true.
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Well someone has to reign in those Libertarian-leaning types. Going on about their utopias and tax-free prosperity all the time.
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Well someone has to reign in those Libertarian-leaning types. Going on about their utopias and tax-free prosperity all the time.


Well. More or less. Just watch Ron Paul talk about taxes and public funding sometime and then contrast it to what most Republicans say. It's not surprising at all to have disagreements over where to draw the line on taxes and funding in a heavily conservative state. Just as there are presumably lots of Democrats who disagree on where to draw the line on such things as well.
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Whoa! Hold on one second here! Are you saying not all Democrats are the same?
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#3075 Jun 16 2017 at 8:36 AM Rating: Good
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Sure, in theory. But we all know in reality that liberal liberal liberal.
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So if anyone was wondering exactly what information is collected and kept about voters in this country by the political parties, now is your chance to find out. A Republican-affiliated data analytics company left over a TB of personal information and resulting analysis on a publicly available domain until it was discovered by a security firm.
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#3078 Jun 19 2017 at 10:11 AM Rating: Good
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An additional 24 terabytes of data was stored in the warehouse, but had been configured to prevent public access.
Well, the porn had to go somewhere.

Edited, Jun 19th 2017 12:14pm by lolgaxe
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An additional 24 terabytes of data was stored in the warehouse, but had been configured to prevent public access.
Well, the porn had to go somewhere.

Edited, Jun 19th 2017 12:14pm by lolgaxe
To be fair public exposure of the employees' porn preferences probably would have been more damaging to the company than mishandling the voter database.

Edited, Jun 19th 2017 10:21am by someproteinguy
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someproteinguy wrote:
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An additional 24 terabytes of data was stored in the warehouse, but had been configured to prevent public access.
Well, the porn had to go somewhere.

Edited, Jun 19th 2017 12:14pm by lolgaxe
To be fair public exposure of the employees' porn preferences probably would have been more damaging to the company than mishandling the voter database.

I thought Incognito Mode was supposed to be private! Smiley: mad
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That's why it didn't have public access.
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Speaking of public access, it appears the supreme court sees access to the internet as something the state can't take away from you.

Linky

So my understanding is this doesn't ban certain sites from blocking you. Your ISP may still be able to refuse to do business with you if you're causing problem, that wasn't really addressed, but could be an interesting test. It seems the state can't ban you from using the internet though (even if you've used the internet to commit your crime), as it's considered an extension of free speech.

Interesting stuff.
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Yup, but the password for your mom's phone is your birthday, so you should still be able to watch animals mating on youtube until the wee hours of the morning.
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someproteinguy wrote:
Speaking of public access, it appears the supreme court sees access to the internet as something the state can't take away from you.

Linky

So my understanding is this doesn't ban certain sites from blocking you. Your ISP may still be able to refuse to do business with you if you're causing problem, that wasn't really addressed, but could be an interesting test. It seems the state can't ban you from using the internet though (even if you've used the internet to commit your crime), as it's considered an extension of free speech.

Interesting stuff.


I'm frankly surprised that this ruling took this long to make. Even a couple decades ago, I always saw the idea of being "banned from the internet" as an absurd thing to do (and honestly didn't realize any jurisdictions actually did that. Just assumed it was something TV shows and films tossed around via poorly written plot points involving technologically sophisticated criminals). It's like banning someone from using a phone. Always seemed obvious to me that this would constitute a first amendment violation.

I did like that the ruling left in more narrow restrictions though. Can't ban someone from using the internet, but I can see something like banning a convicted child predator from visiting sites where the focus is on children interacting/playing in some way. But yeah. The whole internet? That's kinda silly.
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Can't ban someone from using the internet, but I can see something like banning a convicted child predator from visiting sites where the focus is on children interacting/playing in some way.
Effective unless they figure out Google and Youtube exist.
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did like that the ruling left in more narrow restrictions though. Can't ban someone from using the internet, but I can see something like banning a convicted child predator from visiting sites where the focus is on children interacting/playing in some way. But yeah. The whole internet? That's kinda silly.
Yeah, I liked that part too. Seemed like a pretty reasonable translation of real-world laws where you can restrict someone from interacting with certain people, or ban them from visiting certain places.
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Can't ban someone from using the internet, but I can see something like banning a convicted child predator from visiting sites where the focus is on children interacting/playing in some way.
Effective unless they figure out Google and Youtube exist.


Is "they" in that sentence the children or the child predator?
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someproteinguy wrote:
Speaking of public access, it appears the supreme court sees access to the internet as something the state can't take away from you.

Linky

So my understanding is this doesn't ban certain sites from blocking you. Your ISP may still be able to refuse to do business with you if you're causing problem, that wasn't really addressed, but could be an interesting test. It seems the state can't ban you from using the internet though (even if you've used the internet to commit your crime), as it's considered an extension of free speech.

Interesting stuff.

Even Mitnick?
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Yeah, I'm kind of interested to see where this leads in regards to things like hackers and other computer-based crimes like identity theft. I'd imagine it'd be hard to get anyone to be their internet provider in the first place, of course. That's never going to shut off access entirely though. Makes me wonder if this means tougher sentencing down the line. Someone getting out after a short jail stint for something computer-related then hopping right back on the internet isn't going to sit well with a sizeable number of people.
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So my understanding is this doesn't ban certain sites from blocking you. Your ISP may still be able to refuse to do business with you if you're causing problem, that wasn't really addressed, but could be an interesting test. It seems the state can't ban you from using the internet though (even if you've used the internet to commit your crime), as it's considered an extension of free speech.

Interesting stuff.

Even Mitnick?


IIRC, Mitnick's original sentence did bar him from using any sort of communication device other than a landline phone during his probation period. He successfully fought this in court, essentially using the same argument that this case used (I followed the case at the time, but that was a long time ago, so my memories are quite vague). Which is at least part of the reason why I was surprised that this was even a thing anymore. I can only assume this was the first case since that one where a series of rulings in the other direction allowed it to arrive at the Supreme Court level. Good to see they at least got the ruling right.

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What are you doing? You're supposed to run into the middle of the raid. Ideally saying something deeply inappropriate, like "Free Ireland".
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What are you doing? You're supposed to run into the middle of the raid. Ideally saying something deeply inappropriate, like "Free Ireland".


As an aside, there is a cardealership named IRA out here, and they occasionally run an "freedom sale" with "explosively low prices" for Independence Day.
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Had to add some nice incentives for how "mean" it is, I guess.
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