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#1 Jul 29 2015 at 8:58 AM Rating: Excellent
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Any of you chuckleheads upgrade? I'm holding off for a bit but it'd help me out a lot if you could all do it, have terrible experiences and then tell me what to avoid. Thanks.

Also, apparently Minecraft is $10 through Win10 as some sort of promotion. I guess it helps that MS owns Minecraft these days.

Edit: Sounds like the Minecraft they're selling is a lame mobile port rather than the actual standard PC version Smiley: rolleyes

Edited, Jul 29th 2015 10:55am by Jophiel
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#2 Jul 29 2015 at 8:59 AM Rating: Good
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I'll be upgrading my laptop once it lets me. I'll be sure to play with it and not post about my experience.
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#3 Jul 29 2015 at 9:02 AM Rating: Good
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Does that mean the little icon on my computer saying "Get Windows10" will finally go away?

I'll probably upgrade over the weekend, unless something catastrophic comes up.
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Apparently, with DX12, your mobo GPU can be used with your graphics card for something like a 20% boost, or so says Brad Wardell of Stardock.

And that's literally all I know about Windows 10. And I haven't bothered to verify it.
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I have a new video card en route so I figure that installing that AND upgrading my OS at the same time is just asking for hassle. And I'm more invested in the video card so that comes first.
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I'll probably install it on my laptop this weekend, see what it breaks. I'll let you know, assuming I can get online.
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#7 Jul 29 2015 at 11:51 AM Rating: Good
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I'll let you guys do the QA.
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#8 Jul 29 2015 at 2:26 PM Rating: Good
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I have a PC with Windows 8.1, I'll take a bugged out windows 10 over 8 any day of the week. I'm not touching my windows 7 machines, at least any time soon.
#9 Jul 29 2015 at 6:35 PM Rating: Good
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I saw a headline that said you would have to have a subscription to keep ads away from Windows 10 Solitaire. I'm a huge solitaire user while I'm downloading ****, so what was once a probably to upgrade, has been changed to a firm no.
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Yeah, it's not even a "Buy this game, Ad-Free for $5" or something but a friggin' monthly/annual subscription. To solitaire.
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Don't sleep on Solitaire. It's that serious.
#12 Jul 29 2015 at 7:56 PM Rating: Good
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Great features on this new Windows.
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#13 Jul 29 2015 at 9:12 PM Rating: Decent
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I feel no pressing need to break my Win7 machine. I mean, not before I've got enough cash to break the hardware first.
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Laptop was updated to 10. I suppose it's better than the OEM Windows 8 that was installed, but I'm still working on disabling all of the features turned on by default.

There's default functionality built in for Xbox, not that I own an Xbox. By default you send your chats and location to Microsoft. That should about summarize the direction Windows 10 is going in.

I'll leave it on my laptop to play some more with it, but the desktop will remain Windows 7. The only reason I see remain using Windows is a large library of software that I wish to use and cannot do so on GNU/Linux.
#15 Jul 30 2015 at 7:22 AM Rating: Good
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Kastigir wrote:
I saw a headline that said you would have to have a subscription to keep ads away from Windows 10 Solitaire.
Jophiel wrote:
Yeah, it's not even a "Buy this game, Ad-Free for $5" or something but a friggin' monthly/annual subscription. To solitaire.
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There's default functionality built in for Xbox, not that I own an Xbox. By default you send your chats and location to Microsoft.
Ha ha ha ... no.

Edited, Jul 30th 2015 9:23am by lolgaxe
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It also shares your wi-fi password with anyone connecting from your house. I'm not sure how they calculate what's your house, and what's just outside your house, or next door, or whatever. It apparently also shares that information, encrypted, with anyone you "share" with on Facebook, Skype or Outlook.

Also, allegedly, if you tell a friend your wi-fi password because, say, they're at your house to play a co-op game on their laptop, by default your password is then shared with THEIR friends when they type it in.

I get that privacy is a quaint conceit at this point; but do we really have to be so blatant about it?
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I solve that issue by not having any friends.
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It's a feature!
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#20 Jul 30 2015 at 1:16 PM Rating: Good
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I just upgraded and haven't check the games yet, but there were ads in Win8 Solitaire that took a monthly fee to disable. I just put up with the ads and after awhile didn't notice them.

So far getting used to the Frankenstein interface, part Win7 and part Win8.1. I would like some more Win7 features, but then I don't own a tablet or phone with windows.
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#21 Jul 30 2015 at 2:39 PM Rating: Good
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Windows 7 is working just fine for me at the moment. They can keep their "upgrade"
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I am not planning on moving from 7 any time soon one simple reason, it works well enough for me not to want to update it.

It does not help, that win10 has mostly cosmetic changes ( and what is worse, cosmetic UI changes for, what seems to like a change only for a sake of change ), odd functionality removals ( media center comes to mind ) and an addition of somewhat cool, but mostly useless features ( xbox streaming )..

I get that MS is trying to move to subscription model, but I am not sure this is what they need to suck people in..

Then again I still remember people telling me that they loved Vista and everyone who complained about just had a slow PC*shrug*.
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In my opinion, MS has been doing "cosmetic" changes for awhile. I realize that people naturally oppose change, but some of these changes are done for no reason.
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I'm going to upgrade because I need DX12 for future games and the free upgrade normally costs $200.
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#25 Jul 30 2015 at 5:56 PM Rating: Excellent
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True but there's no DX12 games out yet and the free upgrade option is good for a year so no rush on my part.
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It also shares your wi-fi password with anyone connecting from your house. I'm not sure how they calculate what's your house, and what's just outside your house, or next door, or whatever. It apparently also shares that information, encrypted, with anyone you "share" with on Facebook, Skype or Outlook.

Also, allegedly, if you tell a friend your wi-fi password because, say, they're at your house to play a co-op game on their laptop, by default your password is then shared with THEIR friends when they type it in.

I get that privacy is a quaint conceit at this point; but do we really have to be so blatant about it?


The bigger issue is how they do it. They basically use their own servers as a warehouse of encrypted credentials which associate the credentials to the wifi network. So when another Win10 system attempts to connect to a wifi network, it connects to the MS warehouse and checks to see if there's an associated credential for it, then checks to see if it's ok to share it. So basically, you've given up security of your home network to a remote server managed by someone else. You can opt out all you want, but at the end of the day if MS wants to opt you in (or hand those credentials out to anyone they want), you have no actual say in it.

I haven't been able to find any detailed information, but it's unclear if opting out actually prevents your credential from being stored on their server. It may be that it just changes the settings regarding that credential on said server. So even if you turn it off, it's still dropping a credential for your network in their warehouse, just not handing it out to anyone else (again, unless they decide to do so). I suppose technically they could do this with the credentials already stored on your system today, but by hiding it in a "service", it maybe makes it a bit less obviously problematic (and potentially illegal). Hard to say.


The other issue is with the upgrade process itself. So if someone with Win7/8 had previously visited your home, and you typed your wifi password in for them to access you network (assuming that it would remain stored only on that device), and that person now upgrades to Win10, it's also unclear if that process alone will result in your network credential being uploaded to their service (along with whatever opt-in/out information that user chooses). Again, the big issue is that they've basically removed the security from your home network and placed it on their server.

I'd recommend at the very least that anyone who has ever shared their home wifi password with anyone (even if you typed it yourself into their network connection tool), that you change your password now. Because even if you don't upgrade to Win10, if that other person does, your home network security is basically up in the air.
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