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#177 Jul 30 2015 at 10:58 AM Rating: Default
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"Baby harvester" makes me think of an especially dire piece of agricultural tractor equipment.


Amazing how you can blithely joke about the fact that our government supports an institution that is harvesting baby parts. And what's more it's your Democrat elected officials that are enabling this.

#178 Jul 30 2015 at 11:00 AM Rating: Good
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Jophiel wrote:
"Baby harvester" makes me think of an especially dire piece of agricultural tractor equipment.
I'd imagine it'd be more of an oil pump with a hook.
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Jophiel wrote:
"Baby harvester" makes me think of an especially dire piece of agricultural tractor equipment.


Or a very small one. Maybe it harvests baby corn.
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#180 Jul 30 2015 at 11:15 AM Rating: Good
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Or baby carrots! That stuff is great in stews.
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#181 Jul 30 2015 at 11:24 AM Rating: Excellent
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Maybe it harvests baby corn.

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Amazing how you can blithely joke about the fact that our government supports an institution that is harvesting baby parts.

Most medical facilities harvest parts, including baby parts if they're available and the facility has consent. Are you looking to close down all the hospitals engaging in the practice of "harvesting baby parts"?
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#182 Jul 30 2015 at 6:25 PM Rating: Decent
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First it's baby parts, what's next? Adult parts? Where does it end? It's a shame that we can't do anything with harvested body parts, like...oh, I dunno, transplant them into sick or injured people.
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But, if did want a grandchild, I’d just scrape all your previous mishaps into a big pile and knit a onesie for it.
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#184 Jul 30 2015 at 8:34 PM Rating: Decent
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Actually, Romney was leading a year ago. Then Perry, Romney, a little Cain, Gingrich then Santorum.


Assuming you mean 4 years ago? Eh. Not really paying as much attention to dates, as the pattern. Guy with lots of flash, appears to be outside the normal politics, gets a lot of attention and rises in the polls, only to crash and burn when the voters/pollers wake up and come to their senses. Trumps just doing even more hair burning in the public square than Cain did is all. I don't expect him to last for long.

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More interesting though is that, last cycle, Romney was always at least a solid second place whereas that's not the case this time. Second place seems to be switching off between Walker and Bush. Could be a long primary.


Yeah, I think that smart money is on one of those two taking the primary. Walker has just enough of a solid past (from a conservative pov) to garner national support, without the nuttiness some other candidates have (or excess baggage that we know of so far). Bush's biggest negative is that his last name is Bush. I've actually been surprised when watching him give interviews or speeches how completely different he is than his brother. Comes off much more intelligent, is a much better speaker, especially off the cuff, and he just seems like he actually understands the issues he's talking about, whereas with George, you were never quite sure if he was just repeating stuff he'd memorized about the issue at hand, or if he was just that poor at expressing himself on said issue.

I honestly do think that based on positions and just plain ability to address topics in a way that reaches voters, Bush would be the top, no question. Except for his name. Walkers not bad at all though. I'd be happy with either of them. Carson isn't a consideration (another pan flasher). Paul is also hindered by his name IMO (he's a lot less nutty than his dad though). Christie isn't going to win (I'm sticking to my "Americans wont elect a fat man to be president no matter what the average obesity rate is"). Huckabee has the media shill issue (and weight issues as well). I suppose Rubio has a long outside shot, but that's a really long one. He just doesn't have the national recognition, and fair or not he looks too young for the job. Superficial? Sure. Not sure anyone else in the list is really even worth spending time considering, but... Cruz always looks like he's trying to sell me a car. Which is sad, because I generally like what he says, just not how he says it. He looks uncomfortable in front of a crowd, like he's not quite sure who he's trying to convince about whatever he's saying. Um... Jindal? Not seeing that either. Too far out of the public eye and also not a super speaker. Another one who I like what he says, but not how he says it. Sadly, elections are as much about appearance as substance. Can't even remember who else is in the running, so that's pretty much that.


One thing about Trump. While he may lead the polls in support, he also leads (by a larger margin) in opposition. Of the three front runners, he by far does worse than the others in a head to head comparison. Bush actually leads Clinton (by one point). Walker trails Clinton (also by one point). Trump? Beat by like 12 points (or more, I closed the pdf and can't remember). Trump also gets smacked down hard by Biden (yes, Biden) and Sanders as well. Actually, I think Biden beats Trump by an even wider margin than Clinton. He also does about equally well as her against Bush and Walker, which I'm not sure speaks well of Biden so much as poorly about Clinton. Clinton's unfavorable numbers are also quite high, which may explain these results. I suspect that there's a crowd of voters who want to vote Democrat, but really do just hate Clinton, and will therefore throw themselves at any other Dem out there. And Sanders is a nutter, while Biden is just a nincompoop. At least that's my theory. Trump's numbers can be explained by most folks not really paying that much attention this early in the process and thus tending to just answer whatever they've heard in the news lately. But that doesn't work for Biden, so I'm just punting here.
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First it's baby parts, what's next? Adult parts? Where does it end? It's a shame that we can't do anything with harvested body parts, like...oh, I dunno, transplant them into sick or injured people.


Go read you some Niven.
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Debalic wrote:
First it's baby parts, what's next? Adult parts? Where does it end? It's a shame that we can't do anything with harvested body parts, like...oh, I dunno, transplant them into sick or injured people.


Go read you some Niven.

Yeah, never got to Niven. Probably should; Ringworld has always intrigued me.

Edited, Jul 31st 2015 12:14am by Debalic
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#187 Jul 31 2015 at 5:29 AM Rating: Good
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Debalic wrote:
First it's baby parts, what's next? Adult parts? Where does it end? It's a shame that we can't do anything with harvested body parts, like...oh, I dunno, transplant them into sick or injured people.


I was really disappointed when Shands Gainsville wouldn't let me keep my old heart. Would had looked great on my mantle. The only choice I got was to donate it to them or let it go to the incinerator so gave it to Shands.
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I was really disappointed when Shands Gainsville wouldn't let me keep my old heart. Would had looked great on my mantle.
Maybe if you were a genius, billionaire, playboy, philanthropist.
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Debalic wrote:
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First it's baby parts, what's next? Adult parts? Where does it end? It's a shame that we can't do anything with harvested body parts, like...oh, I dunno, transplant them into sick or injured people.


Go read you some Niven.

Yeah, never got to Niven. Probably should; Ringworld has always intrigued me.


There are a few bits that feel a bit wedged in, but his Known Space setting is pretty darn consistent and filled out. Arguably the most so of any Sci Fi writer (at least that I can think of). One of the more amusing aspects is that he played around a *ton* with the idea of automated scouts being fired off in all directions from earth, and then reporting back on potential locations for human colonies, but with pretty limited programming, leading to some colonies that technically met the criteria for colonization but inevitably had some major issues that made things "interesting" for the unlucky descendents of the brave folks who boarded the generation ships set to go there. He also handles variations of intelligent aliens quite well.

I actually strongly recommend his books. You can pretty much start anywhere, and as you read more, more of the details of the setting will fill in. Ringworld is not bad, but it/they are pretty isolated from the rest of the setting. Might be better starting with something like Crashlander to get a broad sense of things, then fill in with earlier period and later period stories. I'd also really really recommend reading Protector, since without it, there are several references that you'll run into in other books (like say Ringworld Engineers) that you'll kinda figure out from said references, but that book actually explains the source information.

The reference was to an early time period in his setting basically running from pre interstellar travel to early colonization (but pre FTL), where organ transplanting technology was more or less perfected, and almost any part could be transplanted, allowing for significantly increased lifespan for those who could get organs and parts. This caused the creation of the organ banks, but demand was too high. So the society started utilizing the death penalty to keep the banks full. But demand was still too high, and as they killed off all the criminals, supply started to drop. So increasingly minor infractions began to be subject to death penalty as a result. So things like jaywalking could result in your being sentenced to serve society as parts in the organ bank.

Niven was obviously taking things to the extreme, but the point was that technological advances (especially partial advances) can have some serious unintended side effects. Over time, the humans developed the science to artificially grow organs and this removed the need for the banks (and the trumped up penalties to keep them full). Of course, this also introduced problems with overpopulation and violent crime increasing again. Nothing is without some consequence.
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Trump feuds with Megyn Kelly and gets uninvited from an event hosted by RedState, a prominent conservative blog. Trump responds with the following sampaign statement:
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Mr. Trump made Megyn Kelly look really bad — she was a mess with her anger and totally caught off guard. Mr. Trump said “blood was coming out of her eyes and whatever” meaning nose, but wanted to move on to more important topics. Only a deviant would think anything else. This related to the debate, which because of Mr. Trump had 24 million viewers — the biggest in cable news history. According to TIME, Newsmax, Drudge Report, The New York Times, The Washington Post, The Hill and many others, Mr. Trump won the debate.

By the way, the guy (Erick Erickson) who made the decision about RedState called Supreme Court Justice David Souter a “goat [expletive] child molester” and First Lady Michelle Obama a “Marxist Harpy.” He was forced to make a humbling apology.

Also, not only is Erick a total loser, he has a history of supporting establishment losers in failed campaigns so it is an honor to be uninvited from his event. Mr. Trump is an outsider and does not fit his agenda.

Many of the 900 people that wanted to hear Mr. Trump speak tonight have been calling and emailing—they are very angry at Erickson and the others that are trying to be so politically correct. To them Mr. Trump says, “We will catch you at another time soon.”


I guess the kid gloves technique to preventing an independent Trump bid isn't really working out. Not saying that he'll do so but the odds certainly haven't gone down the last few days.
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#191 Aug 08 2015 at 5:21 PM Rating: Good
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The thing is, there is absolutely no reason for trump to ever commit to not running as a 3rd party. His supporters wouldn't even be mad if he ran the GOP into the group in a general. The only thing the GOP could do barring handing him a large sack of money to go away for this cycle (which is probably cheaper than the campaign spending that it would take) is give him the Nom. which defeats the point. They seem to think this weird kid gloves strat has any effect on his decision making, but that only increases his relative popularity and thus increases his chance to run if he isn't the GOP candidate.

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#192 Aug 10 2015 at 7:46 AM Rating: Good
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there is absolutely no reason for trump to ever commit to not running as a 3rd party
Well, it's a waste of money and pretty much guaranteed to hand the election to Clinton.
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there is absolutely no reason for trump to ever commit to not running as a 3rd party
Well, it's a waste of money and pretty much guaranteed to hand the election to Clinton.
It's almost like you think he actually cares about being elected President, and isn't doing this to just watch the world burn and profit on the clean-up. He's the kid who always tossed the game board over when a particular roll of the dice didn't go his way, even when he was winning.

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there is absolutely no reason for trump to ever commit to not running as a 3rd party
Well, it's a waste of money and pretty much guaranteed to hand the election to Clinton.


You act like that isn't a feature. If the GOP doesn't give him what he wants I am 100% sure he will negotiate something with the clintons to get something in exchange for running 3rd P.
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Timelordwho wrote:
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there is absolutely no reason for trump to ever commit to not running as a 3rd party
Well, it's a waste of money and pretty much guaranteed to hand the election to Clinton.


You act like that isn't a feature. If the GOP doesn't give him what he wants I am 100% sure he will negotiate something with the clintons to get something in exchange for running 3rd P.

Secretary Trump! I'm thinking Interior, although State would make for all the Lol's.
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Sounds as though Fox News was forced to kiss and make up with Trump. After people were predicting that THIS was the event that would end Trump's campaign. I guess Trump can tussle with even Fox New's most popular anchor and still come out ahead.
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#197 Aug 11 2015 at 5:57 AM Rating: Good
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I met a trump supporter in the wild the other day. He liked his ideas, and didn't want to vote for a political dynasty. He is however worried that trump might say something that kills his campaign (I guess he isn't bothered by what he has said so far?).
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Yeah, the amount of cognitive dissonance needed to think Trump is going to get more offensive just boggles the mind.

Never mind that, the idea that we need a narcissist too arrogant to even pretend to be a regular person in the White House boggles the mind.

Oh, it's all just pretty boggling all around.
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#199 Aug 11 2015 at 7:52 AM Rating: Good
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At least he's making it half way fun.
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A new Fox News poll finds Donald Trump leading the GOP presidential field nationaly with 25%, followed by Ben Carson at 12%, Ted Cruz at 10%, Jeb Bush at 9%, Mike Huckabee at 6%, Scott Walker at 6%, Carly Fiorina at 5%, John Kasich at 4%, Marco Rubio at 4%, Chris Christie at 3% and Rand Paul at 3%.

Trump, Carson and Cruz?

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Trump, Carson and Cruz?


Sounds like the sleezyist PI law firm ever.
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