Uglysasquatch wrote:
Samira wrote:
No idea why the filter felt the need for more than four asterisks there. Probably got all excited.
Clearly it thought I said ********** instead of ****.
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Oh good, it's not just me it ******* does that to. I was starting to think I was typing double words or something.
Clearly it thought I said ********** instead of ****.
In a time of universal deceit, telling the truth is a revolutionary act.
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However, if you are doing it, then there is an expectation that you do it for anyone.
Also a great pick up line in bars.
Belkira wrote:
Wow. Regular ol' Joph fan club in here.
Samira wrote:
No idea why the filter felt the need for more than four asterisks there. Probably got all excited.
The filter is back to eating random symbols immediately surrounding a naughty word:
**** = Fuck
****** = _Fuck_
It eats the underscores and converts them into asterisks despite the symbols not being part of the naughty word. And it does the same with letters:
******** = Fuckface
******** = Facefuck
But it doesn't really get interesting until you insert quotation marks:
**************** = "Fuck"
The latter one is why your post suddenly contained an abundance of asterisks.
Edited, Apr 8th 2015 12:58am by Mazra
Please "talk up" if your comprehension white-shifts. I will use simple-happy language-words to help you understand.
Huh, even though there was only an opening quote. What a funny little algorithm.
In a time of universal deceit, telling the truth is a revolutionary act.
Jophiel wrote:
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However, if you are doing it, then there is an expectation that you do it for anyone.
Also a great pick up line in bars.
Been too busy to respond, so gonna just start with a few of the earlier responses.
It's the analogy being used in the other direction though. That's part of the problem. You also can't conflate a custom service with an over the counter sale of an existing product. If a gay person walks into a store and buys a box of cupcakes, the person on the other side of the counter will sell them to him. That's not the same as asking them to make a custom cake for their wedding. Same thing with flowers. Want to buy some flowers on display in the shop? No problem. Want me to make a custom arrangement for your wedding? Whole different ballgame.
The difference is that you're asking the other person to participate in an activity they do not agree with. That activity isn't "making a cake", or even "selling a cake to a gay person". It's "participating in a gay wedding". Note, that while the story about the pizza parlor is often repeated as though they refused to sell pizza to a gay couple at all, they were actually asked (hypothetically, I assume) if they would be willing to cater a gay wedding. Again, that's an entirely different thing.
Again though, while that's how the story is being misstated, that's not the actual case at hand. If you pay attention to the news stories about this, they tend to cut around the actual question being asked and go right to the misleading statements made in response, giving the viewer the impression that the person just refuses to do any business at all with a gay person. BTW, I'd tend to agree that if someone refused to sell something to a gay person they should be vilified for it. But that should not be confused with refusing to cater a wedding, or make a custom cake for a wedding, or anything else that requires the person to engage in an action specific to the event itself. In those cases, the opposition is to the event.
Sir Xsarus wrote:
Gbaji you're not helping your argument by continually conflating a scenario where you ask for something someone doesn't sell with choosing not to sell something they do have to someone they don't agree with. Everything else aside, that analogy just doesn't work.
It's the analogy being used in the other direction though. That's part of the problem. You also can't conflate a custom service with an over the counter sale of an existing product. If a gay person walks into a store and buys a box of cupcakes, the person on the other side of the counter will sell them to him. That's not the same as asking them to make a custom cake for their wedding. Same thing with flowers. Want to buy some flowers on display in the shop? No problem. Want me to make a custom arrangement for your wedding? Whole different ballgame.
The difference is that you're asking the other person to participate in an activity they do not agree with. That activity isn't "making a cake", or even "selling a cake to a gay person". It's "participating in a gay wedding". Note, that while the story about the pizza parlor is often repeated as though they refused to sell pizza to a gay couple at all, they were actually asked (hypothetically, I assume) if they would be willing to cater a gay wedding. Again, that's an entirely different thing.
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Also the issue isn't forcing a cake decorator to make a specific decoration, it's the ability to refuse to sell a cake at all. The issue isn't that a cake store would be asked to make a cake of two guys ******* and they refused, the issue is that a cake store won't sell them a cake at all.
Again though, while that's how the story is being misstated, that's not the actual case at hand. If you pay attention to the news stories about this, they tend to cut around the actual question being asked and go right to the misleading statements made in response, giving the viewer the impression that the person just refuses to do any business at all with a gay person. BTW, I'd tend to agree that if someone refused to sell something to a gay person they should be vilified for it. But that should not be confused with refusing to cater a wedding, or make a custom cake for a wedding, or anything else that requires the person to engage in an action specific to the event itself. In those cases, the opposition is to the event.
King Nobby wrote:
More words please
gbaji wrote:
Whole different ballgame.
George Carlin wrote:
I think it’s the duty of the comedian to find out where the line is drawn and cross it deliberately.
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In those cases, the opposition is to the event.
In this case, the opposition is to the event & putting 2 grooms on top.
"The Rich are there to take all of the money & pay none of the taxes, the middle class is there to do all the work and pay all the taxes, and the poor are there to scare the crap out of the middle class." -George Carlin
Gbaji wrote:
It's the analogy being used in the other direction though. That's part of the problem. You also can't conflate a custom service with an over the counter sale of an existing product. If a *** person walks into a store and buys a box of cupcakes, the person on the other side of the counter will sell them to him. That's not the same as asking them to make a custom cake for their wedding. Same thing with flowers. Want to buy some flowers on display in the shop? No problem. Want me to make a custom arrangement for your wedding? Whole different ballgame.
The difference is that you're asking the other person to participate in an activity they do not agree with. That activity isn't "making a cake", or even "selling a cake to a *** person". It's "participating in a *** wedding". Note, that while the story about the pizza parlor is often repeated as though they refused to sell pizza to a *** couple at all, they were actually asked (hypothetically, I assume) if they would be willing to cater a *** wedding. Again, that's an entirely different thing.
I've acknowledged this difference in post #55. However, let's not pretend that there aren't people who just refuse to make and sell a cake for a g@y wedding.
I don't see where the pizza story is given as "Refused to sell to a gay couple at all". The first response in this thread was "Who serves pizza at a wedding?" Everyone knew it was regarding a catered event.
Anyway, interesting factoid: the latest Crain's quotes the former head of Indiana's Economic Development Council (the guy who served under Mitch Daniels) as saying it would take at least six years to repair the damage this whole event has done to Indiana's economy. Of particular importance is that Indiana's growth sector has been technology and the bad press from this has a negative effect on young, educated people choosing Indiana as a place to move to or start their business in.
Anyway, interesting factoid: the latest Crain's quotes the former head of Indiana's Economic Development Council (the guy who served under Mitch Daniels) as saying it would take at least six years to repair the damage this whole event has done to Indiana's economy. Of particular importance is that Indiana's growth sector has been technology and the bad press from this has a negative effect on young, educated people choosing Indiana as a place to move to or start their business in.
Belkira wrote:
Wow. Regular ol' Joph fan club in here.
Jophiel wrote:
Everyone knew it was regarding a catered event.
George Carlin wrote:
I think it’s the duty of the comedian to find out where the line is drawn and cross it deliberately.
A couple days ago, I was listening to Rush and someone called in who owned a mobile brick oven pizza service. Guy said that custom pizzas are the hip new thing for some of these people and he does quite a few weddings.
He also said that he would have taken the gay couple's money because, hey, money and business but I guess that pizza at weddings isn't that weird.
He also said that he would have taken the gay couple's money because, hey, money and business but I guess that pizza at weddings isn't that weird.
Belkira wrote:
Wow. Regular ol' Joph fan club in here.
Prior to this I have seen pictures of multi tiered pizza setups used at receptions. Not exactly common place but not unheard of.
Probably because of all those custom food shows on Food Network.
Probably because of all those custom food shows on Food Network.
Can't sleep, clown will eat me.
I think the issue is when the average person thinks of "pizza party", it's usually far from formal, but it doesn't have to be. Any food can be integrated in a formal environment, just not necessarily the center of the meal.
I don't know why people are putting so much effort to keep gay people from getting married when hipsters are the true enemy.
Edited, Apr 8th 2015 9:42am by lolgaxe
Edited, Apr 8th 2015 9:42am by lolgaxe
George Carlin wrote:
I think it’s the duty of the comedian to find out where the line is drawn and cross it deliberately.
Almalieque wrote:
I think the issue is when the average person thinks of "pizza party", it's usually far from formal, but it doesn't have to be. Any food can be integrated in a formal environment, just not necessarily the center of the meal.
I remember my first time going to Italy and sitting down at a nice restaurant. Seeing the couple at the table next to me. A man and a young woman dressed up nicely. He in a suit, she in a lovely dress. both were eating pizza. Knife and fork of course.
Can't sleep, clown will eat me.
Almalieque wrote:
Jophiel wrote:
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However, if you are doing it, then there is an expectation that you do it for anyone.
Also a great pick up line in bars.
I've been told the pick up line works in communist gay bars. If you are wondering if that is a real thing, in the people's republic of Cambridge, it is.
Just as Planned.
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Anyway, interesting factoid: the latest Crain's quotes the former head of Indiana's Economic Development Council (the guy who served under Mitch Daniels) as saying it would take at least six years to repair the damage this whole event has done to Indiana's economy. Of particular importance is that Indiana's growth sector has been technology and the bad press from this has a negative effect on young, educated people choosing Indiana as a place to move to or start their business in.
Holy ****, that's absurd.
Timelordwho wrote:
I'm not quite sure that scheming is an emotion.
TirithRR wrote:
both were eating pizza. Knife and fork of course.
Donate. One day it could be your family.
An invasion of armies can be resisted, but not an idea whose time has come. Victor Hugo
An invasion of armies can be resisted, but not an idea whose time has come. Victor Hugo
Yeah, the correct way.
George Carlin wrote:
I think it’s the duty of the comedian to find out where the line is drawn and cross it deliberately.
....for a child.
Donate. One day it could be your family.
An invasion of armies can be resisted, but not an idea whose time has come. Victor Hugo
An invasion of armies can be resisted, but not an idea whose time has come. Victor Hugo
Not all food requires the usage of a fork and a knife.
You mean you've never tried eating potato chips with a fork?
Donate. One day it could be your family.
An invasion of armies can be resisted, but not an idea whose time has come. Victor Hugo
An invasion of armies can be resisted, but not an idea whose time has come. Victor Hugo
Cheetos with chop sticks.
George Carlin wrote:
I think it’s the duty of the comedian to find out where the line is drawn and cross it deliberately.
Jophiel wrote:
That asinine "Jewish deli serving ham" comparison must have been in a newsletter or something because I swear to God I've read it about 500 times since this thing started.
It's used because it's something most people can agree is a reasonable example of a business that sells a type of product choosing not to sell a specific subtype. I get that people get tripped up because ham is a physical substance versus the more ephermeral "catering a gay wedding". But the relationship is similar enough to make a legitimate analogy. A ham sandwich is a specific type within the set of "sandwiches". A gay wedding is a specific type within the set of "weddings". Demanding that if someone caters any weddings at all, they must cater to all types, including gay weddings, is analogous to demanding that if someone sells any sandwiches at all, they must sell all types, including ham sandwiches.
As I mentioned above, people get caught up on the differences between one being a physical product at hand and the other a service. And obviously, those are different in that way. But, analogies are not about the two cases being similar, but the relationship between the two things in each case being similar. So the fact that one is a physical object you sell in your store and the other a service you provide doesn't discount the validity of the analogy itself.
But yeah. If it really bothers you, or you just can't wrap your head around it, there's a number of other service specific comparisons to be made that work as well (and even ones that don't have or require any religious component). The black man being required to make a cake for a KKK rally, for example. Or the Jewish baker being required to make a cake for a neo-**** party. There's a nearly infinite number of cases we could use to highlight the problems with requiring people to provide services for any sort of gathering someone wants them to participate in.
I'd rather err on the side of not forcing people to do things they don't want to do. Free country and all of that, right?
Edited, Apr 8th 2015 4:29pm by gbaji
King Nobby wrote:
More words please
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