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#77 Apr 04 2015 at 5:11 AM Rating: Good
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So does that mean pictures of clothed or semi clothed mature breasts, or pictures of kid breasts? Cause while both seem like a bad idea, one definitely would be worse than the other and probably end up in an FBI investigation and sex offender lists.

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Ok, so you can say boobs, but not breasts.

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#78 Apr 04 2015 at 11:46 AM Rating: Good
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then the organization must specifically be designated as such and must adhere to ALL religious rules, not just the ones they want to follow. That means they also can't service couples with born out of wedlock children or anything else alike.

There are multiple problems with this.

There isn't a consistent set of rules for any religion I know of. The Church of Lutheran Confession is very much opposed to homosexuality. The Evangelical Lutheran Church in Canada is pretty much ok with it as long as it's monogamous. Both Christian, both Lutheran, and yet very different dogma surrounding a particular issue. What happens when a person describes themself as belong to say, Lutheran Missouri Synod (which opposes both homosexuality and abortion), and they want to run a pizza shop that won't service gay weddings but will double as an abortion clinic (cheaper ingredients), because their personal religious belief differs from their established group's.

It's almost as if religion can be whatever you want it to be.

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Allegory wrote:
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then the organization must specifically be designated as such and must adhere to ALL religious rules, not just the ones they want to follow. That means they also can't service couples with born out of wedlock children or anything else alike.

There are multiple problems with this.

There isn't a consistent set of rules for any religion I know of. The Church of Lutheran Confession is very much opposed to homosexuality. The Evangelical Lutheran Church in Canada is pretty much ok with it as long as it's monogamous. Both Christian, both Lutheran, and yet very different dogma surrounding a particular issue. What happens when a person describes themself as belong to say, Lutheran Missouri Synod (which opposes both homosexuality and abortion), and they want to run a pizza shop that won't service *** weddings but will double as an abortion clinic (cheaper ingredients), because their personal religious belief differs from their established group's.

It's almost as if religion can be whatever you want it to be.



Absolutely, which is exactly the reason why allowing this stupidity to be recognized is so annoying. If it is, we will all need a freaking disclaimer in front of every store indicating the owner's current set of beliefs.

I have a particular set of beliefs too. I am not sure people would want me to act on those though.
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Allegory wrote:

There are multiple problems with this.

There isn't a consistent set of rules for any religion I know of. The Church of Lutheran Confession is very much opposed to homosexuality. The Evangelical Lutheran Church in Canada is pretty much ok with it as long as it's monogamous. Both Christian, both Lutheran, and yet very different dogma surrounding a particular issue. What happens when a person describes themself as belong to say, Lutheran Missouri Synod (which opposes both homosexuality and abortion), and they want to run a pizza shop that won't service *** weddings but will double as an abortion clinic (cheaper ingredients), because their personal religious belief differs from their established group's.

It's almost as if religion can be whatever you want it to be.


I never said that there had to be only one set of guidelines. Your organization is designated as a religious organization and will be held by your dogma. I understand the concern of the religion being whatever you want it to be, but the reality is, the more specific your religion is, the less people that it applies to. That doesn't translate very well to business. So pick one.

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#81 Apr 05 2015 at 8:43 AM Rating: Decent
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I dunno... the Venn diagram intersection between "supports law" and "thinks that's an apt analogy" might be depressingly large,


I suspect it's similar to the intersection between "supports law" and "understands what apt means."
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No, that's a smaller intersection.
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So this is probably a better example that even Gbaji could accept.

Florist who discriminated based on her beliefs. Interwebz came to the rescue here in this case as well.
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Here's what I don't get: why would you do business with someone who despises you? I can see it when it's the only baker, florist or church in town; but assuming you have an alternative, why not give your money to someone you can respect?

As for the business owners, what happened to the polite lie? The "I'm so sorry, we can't accommodate you on that date"?
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Here's what I don't get: why would you do business with someone who despises you? I can see it when it's the only baker, florist or church in town; but assuming you have an alternative, why not give your money to someone you can respect?

As for the business owners, what happened to the polite lie? The "I'm so sorry, we can't accommodate you on that date"?


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Stutzman, 70, said that though one of the men who wanted the flowers was her friend and she would continue to provide flowers for other occasions, providing flowers for his marriage went against her beliefs as a Southern Baptist.


Looks like the florist was friends with one of the gay men, but she was against the wedding. So she might not have been able to get away with the lie, and the couple might not have expected Stutzman to deny them service.


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Here's what I don't get: why would you do business with someone who despises you?

I don't think that most people would. Rather, it's more of a "Hey, we want a cake for our wedding" "No way, you homos" "Man, that's fucked up... we should do something about this"

I don't think they're trying to buy a cake (flowers, etc) from the person at that point so much as take measures to ensure equal treatment.
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#87 Apr 05 2015 at 10:18 PM Rating: Good
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How is it that people (justifiably) angry about these things don't know the right way to fight back? That is:

Vigorously spread bad news about the business in question. Super effective if the business is selling food. "Dirty" - "roaches" - "terrible service" - "mis/over-charged my credit card" - "wouldn't fix a problem". Those places won't be able to turn discriminate against their target of hate if they're out of business.


This sounds simplistic but people tend to accept things like this from family and friends pretty readily. If your buddy Bob says not to eat at Tino's Taco Teepee because <insert reason here> most people are inclined to accept his word that it's bad.
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Friar Bijou wrote:
Vigorously spread bad news about the business in question. Super effective if the business is selling food. "Dirty" - "roaches" - "terrible service" - "mis/over-charged my credit card" - "wouldn't fix a problem". Those places won't be able to turn discriminate against their target of hate if they're out of business.


Negative rep doesn't work when the business is supported by the Right. Try to spread rumors about the business and they'll be out there with signs saying things like "God made cockroaches, but hates queers!".

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Friar Bijou wrote:
Vigorously spread bad news about the business in question.

So libel and slander get a free pass? Was that just a gut comment to satisfy some revenge urges or do you genuinely believe that is the correct course of action?
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Vigorously spread bad news about the business in question.
So libel and slander get a free pass? Was that just a gut comment to satisfy some revenge urges or do you genuinely believe that is the correct course of action?
No, no and sort of, yes.

Look, if you actively boycott a place because of an issue you'll get a backlash from supporters on "their" side (qv Chic-Fil-A).

Those things I mentioned are taking a page from Restaurant 103, the 10:1 rule. If service (or whatever), etc is great, out of 10 happy customers 1 will tell an person about the place. If service is poor that one customer will tell ten people it's terrible.

Point being that if you think a place is behaving terribly and won't change, some might be inclined to drive them out of business. What I wrote is a method to do so.

So..."I hate Bob's Cakes because they hate teh gheyz" is not as effective in the long run as "I hate Bob's Cakes because they're overrun with roaches and cooties".

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"Man, that's fucked up... we should do something about this"

I don't think they're trying to buy a cake (flowers, etc) from the person at that point so much as take measures to ensure equal treatment.
Equal treatment? Nah,most of them are thinking ********** you, I'm going to bankrupt you when the media gets a hold of this".
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So libel and slander get a free pass? Was that just a gut comment to satisfy some revenge urges or do you genuinely believe that is the correct course of action?


You're only saying this to distract from all the goats you've ******* Why do you always have to muddy the waters, Allegory?
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Equal treatment? Nah,most of them are thinking ********** you, I'm going to bankrupt you when the media gets a hold of this".

What better way to ensure service at the second shop than bankrupting the guy down the street? Smiley: grin
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"Exactly. My fiance and I would like a cake with two brides on top ..."
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"It's a nice shop you got here. Be a shame if it were... redecorated."

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#97 Apr 06 2015 at 3:28 PM Rating: Excellent
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Also, here's a story about a bakery that refused to make an anti-gay wedding cake. Death threats for all!

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Also, here's a story about a bakery that refused to make an anti-*** wedding cake. Death threats for all!



Why can't we all just get along ( loads shotgun ) ?

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Why can't we all just get a bong? (loads bowl)
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I forgot about that dude... so many people left..
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