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#27 Mar 15 2015 at 12:58 PM Rating: Decent
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Alma feels that it's not a huge deal and so compares it to a trivial transgression. Angrymonk feels it is a big deal and so dismisses Alma's comparison as stupid. Both presumably have their own reasons for weighing it as they do so they'd probably be better off discussing those reasons than debating whether or not anyone should talk about the speed limit and metaphors.


The metaphor wasn't used to literally say that what Clinton did was the same as not slowing down after passing a new speed limit. That's absurd. The metaphor was used to demonstrate that since the infraction occurred during a transition period from a common practice (personal emails) and it didn't cause any harm (at least from what we know of), then it isn't a big deal. That's not to say she gets off the hook, but it's to say that it isn't as big of deal as others are making it. Now, if everyone before her used government emails and 'twas just Hillary who decided to do her own thing, then it would be a bigger deal.

The speed limit analogy was used because it's something that people can conceptually relate to. As mentioned, people often get stuck on the literal things being compared as opposed to the concepts.

Edited, Mar 15th 2015 8:51pm by Almalieque


You do realize that the moment you have to explain a metaphor, you have failed at communicating your concept to your audience? It is almost as bad as telling a joke and then explaining it when no one is laughing..

Apart from all this, metaphors are open to interpretation making them even less of a good vehicle for ideas ( and given that you seem to have problems with expressing ideas maybe you should use those sparingly ).

My point still stands ( you think that it is not a big deal ). To me it is a clear indication that you have the intelligence of an American voter. I would use a metaphor, but I am not sure it is a good idea for you.. they seem to get you confused.

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angrymnk wrote:
You do realize that the moment you have to explain a metaphor, you have failed at communicating your concept to your audience? It is almost as bad as telling a joke and then explaining it when no one is laughing..


Again, not when you say "It is just like driving over a speed limit.". That is literal, which is the opposite of a metaphor. If you had said more into why that was conceptually different, then you would have a point.

You are just proving my point. Not all metaphors are simplistic. Some are more abstract and conceptual than others. It is meant to be used as a gateway to understand something more complex. Depending on how well you grasp the concept at hand plays a role in how well you grasp the analogy. The reoccurring theme is the literal interpretation out of simplicity. Instead of taking that extra minute to connect the dots, people run with what was literally said "Huckabee said being gay is the same as drinking beer or cursing!" as opposed to "Huckabee doesn't close off people because they live a life that is different than his".

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Apart from all this, metaphors are open to interpretation making them even less of a good vehicle for ideas ( and given that you seem to have problems with expressing ideas maybe you should use those sparingly )
What part of my metaphor is "open to interpretation"? You still haven't explained the flaw in the analogy. Just because you failed to understand it, doesn't mean I did a poor job of expressing it.

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My point still stands ( you think that it is not a big deal ). To me it is a clear indication that you have the intelligence of an American voter. I would use a metaphor, but I am not sure it is a good idea for you.. they seem to get you confused.
You already used a metaphor (telling a joke), so I guess that you failed at not doing that as well. So anyone who doesn't think it's a big deal (which is admitted by political pundits and politicians as well) somehow represents the intelligence of an American voter? It's not even possible to make sense out of that comment.
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Not completely. I did question his belief on why a person (to include politicians and political pundits) who think this isn't a big deal is just a dumb American voter.
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You do realize that the moment you have to explain a metaphor, you have failed at communicating your concept to your audience? It is almost as bad as telling a joke and then explaining it when no one is laughing..


Again, not when you say "It is just like driving over a speed limit.". That is literal, which is the opposite of a metaphor. If you had said more into why that was conceptually different, then you would have a point.


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If you had two brains, you would still be a half-wit. How do you know it was intended literally? Because you CHOSE to read it as such?

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So, I haven't been keeping up with this story very well. What did she write about on this unsecured email account?

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Anything, everything, doesn't really matter what it was she was writing about the issue was new laws and public official information being recorded. And it is "harder" to do with private email accounts.
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If you had two brains, you would still be a half-wit. How do you know it was intended literally? Because you CHOSE to read it as such?


Because you said "It is just like driving over a speed limit" without any explanation on how the analogy in itself is conceptually wrong. That would be like me responding to your joke metaphor with "There you have ladies and gents, metaphors are jokes".
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Almalieque wrote:
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If you had two brains, you would still be a half-wit. How do you know it was intended literally? Because you CHOSE to read it as such?


Because you said "It is just like driving over a speed limit" without any explanation on how the analogy in itself is conceptually wrong. That would be like me responding to your joke metaphor with "There you have ladies and gents, metaphors are jokes".


I have to ask and I do not mean it as an insult. How is your English? I am not absolutely sure where we fail to communicate.

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I have to ask and I do not mean it as an insult. How is your English? I am not absolutely sure where we fail to communicate
"We" fail to communicate because you put all of your energy trying to come up with clever barbs as opposed to staying on topic. It doesn't appear you have the capacity to do both just yet, so you get confused. You became a +1 sparing partner after post 2. That is unless you decide to actually address the questions in my posts. I really wish this forum weren't dead...
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Almalieque wrote:
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I have to ask and I do not mean it as an insult. How is your English? I am not absolutely sure where we fail to communicate
"We" fail to communicate because you put all of your energy trying to come up with clever barbs as opposed to staying on topic. It doesn't appear you have the capacity to do both just yet, so you get confused. You became a +1 sparing partner after post 2. That is unless you decide to actually address the questions in my posts. I really wish this forum weren't dead...


Huh? I am not really trying.

What is your question?
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Huh? I am not really trying.
I was giving you a benefit that maybe your lack of understanding was due to a misuse of energy. If you aren't even trying, then you really have no excuse to be this confused.

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What is your question?
The rest of post 28. Are you trying to tell me that you didn't notice that you didn't respond to 2/3 of a post? Or how about the topic of this thread? Did you forget what the topic of this thread was about? And you're wondering why "we" are failing to communicate?
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This thread is now about Alma's speeding metaphor. See ya all in the Gamergate thread.
Yea, I stand corrected.
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I concur...
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I'll take an Alma thread over this.
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This thread is now about Alma's speeding metaphor. See ya all in the Gamergate thread.
Yea, I stand corrected.
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Even though I was unaware of the original statement, that is exactly aligned with what I was saying. This thread sucks. IF this thread weren't dead, I wouldn't be responding to him.
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So, I haven't been keeping up with this story very well. What did she write about on this unsecured email account?



I assume harry potter fanfiction.
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In the (slightly paraphrased) words of noted (former?) meth-addict and Gamergate opponent Randi Harper: "You knew *exactly* what you were doing. You've made your bed, now get ****** in it. :)"

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Jophiel wrote:
This thread is now about Alma's speeding metaphor. See ya all in the Gamergate thread.

What's Gamergate?
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This thread is now about Alma's speeding metaphor. See ya all in the Gamergate thread.

What's Gamergate?

Consumer advocacy misogyny-terrorists dedicated to buying seals for dead cops.
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Yea, I stand corrected.
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Jophiel wrote:
Alma feels that it's not a huge deal and so compares it to a trivial transgression. Angrymonk feels it is a big deal and so dismisses Alma's comparison as stupid. Both presumably have their own reasons for weighing it as they do so they'd probably be better off discussing those reasons than debating whether or not anyone should talk about the speed limit and metaphors.


Can't we get back to blaming the media? Smiley: bah
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I thought the people driving over the speed limit was the media. Smiley: confused
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