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#1 Jan 20 2015 at 8:18 AM Rating: Good
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If Mario is hungry he'll collect coins. If he's curious he'll explore his environment and learn more stuff.

A couple German computer scientists, competing in the an annual competition held by the Association for the Advancement of Artificial Intelligence (AAAI), have built an artificially intelligent Mario who learns to respond to stimuli in his environment.

Is Ninetendo the Matrix or are they just a cover for the real organization behind the this borg-like take-over attempt; the Italian Plumbers union? Smiley: sly

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With Stephen Hawking recently announcing that he was genuinely scared of AI, we wonder if a duo of heavily mustached plumbers is what he had in mind.




Would it be cool if your gaming characters could learn to respond intelligently, or would it make the 'game' pointless?
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#2 Jan 20 2015 at 8:36 AM Rating: Good
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No wonder Hawking is scared, Skynet is going to be a Guido programmed by Germans.
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#3 Jan 20 2015 at 8:45 AM Rating: Good
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Reading about Germans creating AI does create just the slightest little niggling of unease.
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Would it be cool if your gaming characters could learn to respond intelligently, or would it make the 'game' pointless?

I'd be happy if Solas would learn to get out of the goddamn fire...

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#5 Jan 20 2015 at 10:57 AM Rating: Excellent
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And not run up to smack things with his staff. Stoopid mages.
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Jophiel wrote:
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Would it be cool if your gaming characters could learn to respond intelligently, or would it make the 'game' pointless?

I'd be happy if Solas would learn to get out of the goddamn fire...

Edited, Jan 20th 2015 9:07am by Jophiel


I think they were going for realistic when compared to actual players, not intelligent.
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#7 Jan 20 2015 at 11:48 AM Rating: Decent
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With Stephen Hawking recently announcing that he was genuinely scared of AI

Sort of an out of context quote. He's not "scared of AI", he's "Aware that, objectively, humans are worthless and terrible at everything." He's afraid of anything without our innate bias telling us how fantastic we are would come to the conclusion that humans are of virtually no value.

Edited, Jan 20th 2015 12:53pm by Smasharoo
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Of course he'd come to that conclusion, he's like 90% Terminator.
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#9 Jan 20 2015 at 12:25 PM Rating: Good
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Now I can't even find the article I got that quote from. The internet....it never stands still.

S.Hawking wrote:
It would take off on its own, and re-design itself at an ever increasing rate.
Humans, who are limited by slow biological evolution, couldn't compete, and would be superseded.


I think SH has been watching/reading too much Kubrick.
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Smasharoo wrote:
With Stephen Hawking recently announcing that he was genuinely scared of AI

Sort of an out of context quote. He's not "scared of AI", he's "Aware that, objectively, humans are worthless and terrible at everything." He's afraid of anything without our innate bias telling us how fantastic we are would come to the conclusion that humans are of virtually no value.

Edited, Jan 20th 2015 12:53pm by Smasharoo

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So German scientists are implementing AI into Italian stereotypes in a Japanese videogame?

Have we learned nothing from history? This must be dealt with now before it gets out of hand!
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Elinda wrote:
Would it be cool if your gaming characters could learn to respond intelligently, or would it make the 'game' pointless?
Wasn't that the point of that talking fish Dreamcast game "Seaman" IRC?
#14 Jan 21 2015 at 8:05 AM Rating: Good
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Yes, similar to Furby's, which were programmed to appear like they were learning English.
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And to steal souls for Satan.
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And to steal souls for Satan.


And top secret government information.
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Jophiel wrote:
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Would it be cool if your gaming characters could learn to respond intelligently, or would it make the 'game' pointless?

I'd be happy if Solas would learn to get out of the goddamn fire...


I'd be happy if my healer merc would take a few steps away from the rooted mob before healing himself.
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#18 Jan 29 2015 at 7:15 AM Rating: Good
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This BBC article is sort of a follow up about Hawkings statements of paranoia about AI machines from Eric Horvits, a Microsoft Research chief (his group made Cortana).

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"There have been concerns about the long-term prospect that we lose control of certain kinds of intelligences," he said.

"I fundamentally don't think that's going to happen.

"I think that we will be very proactive in terms of how we field AI systems, and that in the end we'll be able to get incredible benefits from machine intelligence in all realms of life, from science to education to economics to daily life."


I'd say Horvitz's life work makes him not so objective on the subject.

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Elon Musk wrote:
AI poses the greatest "existential threat" humankind faces. "With artificial intelligence, we are summoning the demon," he told an audience of students in October.

"In all those stories where there's the guy with the pentagram and the holy water, it's like yeah he's sure he can control the demon. Didn't work out."

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Sir Clive Sinclair wrote:
"Once you start to make machines that are rivalling and surpassing humans with intelligence, it's going to be very difficult for us to survive," he told the BBC. "It's just an inevitability."

I don't think demonic attributes lend themselves to machines, even intelligent ones as Elon suggests.

I guess I'm of the mind that AI could just as easily save man-kind as destroy it.




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"There have been concerns about the long-term prospect that we lose control of certain kinds of intelligences," he said.
Oh, we did that long before computers.
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#20 Jan 29 2015 at 9:26 AM Rating: Excellent
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I'm not much of an alarmist about AI, personally. It'll get better than it is, but I don't think it'll ever be as adaptable as some people fear it will become - mainly because we're not that smart.

And if it does happen, then hey, we've created life. Possibly Lutherans.

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#21 Jan 29 2015 at 10:43 AM Rating: Good
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Elinda wrote:

I don't think demonic attributes lend themselves to machines, even intelligent ones as Elon suggests.

I guess I'm of the mind that AI could just as easily save man-kind as destroy it.


You misunderstood Elon's comments. He wasn't giving the AI demonic attributes. He wasn't comparing demons to AI. He was comparing humans to the summoner.

The Summoner believed he could control the demon, taking all of the precautions he knew how to and could think of. Instead it goes out of his control.


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Well, it's an analogy, he's comparing each to the other. One could dispute the salience of the analogy by finding fault with any of its component parts.
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Well, it's an analogy, he's comparing each to the other. One could dispute the salience of the analogy by finding fault with any of its component parts.


Except she disputed it specifically saying "It could be good, as well!". Elon's comment wasn't about the inherent good or bad of its potential, but its potential to be uncontrolled, regardless of the precautions taken. The Demon just represents power. The holy water and symbols are the attempts to control it. And the end result is the failure to control it.

Edited, Jan 29th 2015 7:39pm by TirithRR
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#24 Jan 30 2015 at 6:55 AM Rating: Good
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TirithRR wrote:
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Well, it's an analogy, he's comparing each to the other. One could dispute the salience of the analogy by finding fault with any of its component parts.


Except she disputed it specifically saying "It could be good, as well!".
That comment was made about Sinclair's quote.

I understood the Musk comment just fine. I simply made a flippant remark about demons because he chose to use them in a Pandora box type analogy.

Thanks for being there to pick apart a meaningless comment. Smiley: oyvey







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#25 Jan 30 2015 at 7:12 AM Rating: Good
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You're welcome. Thanks for being there to misinterpret statements.

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Possibly Lutherans.
Mostly the "all humans deserve eternal damnation and hell" part.

Edited, Jan 30th 2015 10:06am by lolgaxe
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