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#177 Jan 17 2015 at 6:53 PM Rating: Default
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I just proved you wrong I win anyway
I'm still waiting on you to answer the original request. Smiley: rolleyes
#178 Jan 17 2015 at 9:38 PM Rating: Decent
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I just proved you wrong I win anyway
I'm still waiting on you to answer the original request. Smiley: rolleyes


I already told you: you won. No need to wait for that anymore.
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#179 Jan 17 2015 at 10:28 PM Rating: Good
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Wait, what? Almalieque won something?
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#180 Jan 18 2015 at 1:30 AM Rating: Default
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Wait, what? Almalieque won something?
Nothing new....
#181 Jan 18 2015 at 2:28 PM Rating: Good
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I can't turn water into wine, and neither could old JC. We'd both be douchebags for claiming we could.


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#182 Jan 19 2015 at 12:32 PM Rating: Good
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Being ******* crazy and old isn't more credible than being ******* crazy and more recent.
Both are about as credible as an issue of the Incredible Hulk.
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#183 Jan 20 2015 at 7:20 AM Rating: Good
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Being ******* crazy and old isn't more credible than being ******* crazy and more recent.
I disagree.
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#184 Jan 20 2015 at 12:23 PM Rating: Decent
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but from my perspective only a small percentage of theists are in the "push their beliefs on you and demonize you if you fail to comply" camp, while very close to 100% of atheists possess this particular personality trait.


You only know an atheist is an atheist if they talk about religion and an atheist that is talking about religion is going to tell you it's a fairy tale. Atheism isn't a choice you make, it's a lack of belief in religious fairy tales. A lot, and I mean a LOT, of people are atheists and don't even know atheism is a thing because it's kind of not a thing at all. A significant percentage of the people you know are probably atheists and you would never know because they have zero reason to talk about it, it's just not important to them, it's like discussing Snow White, or Little Miss Muffet, it's just not relevant to...anything so it doesn't cross their mind.

This means that anyone you know is an atheist probably has voiced an opinion that contradicts religion (which to religious people tends to mean "push their beliefs") in your presence. Your perspective is skewed by lack of a control group.

Atheists tend not to talk about their "beliefs" because "nothing" isn't a belief so how do you know who the atheists are?
#185 Jan 20 2015 at 12:35 PM Rating: Good
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but from my perspective only a small percentage of theists are in the "push their beliefs on you and demonize you if you fail to comply" camp, while very close to 100% of atheists possess this particular personality trait.


Atheists tend not to talk about their "beliefs" because "nothing" isn't a belief so how do you know who the atheists are?
Smiley: lol gbaji has to be trolling.






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#186 Jan 20 2015 at 12:42 PM Rating: Decent
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Edited, Jan 20th 2015 1:43pm by Smasharoo
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This means that anyone you know is an atheist probably has voiced an opinion that contradicts religion (which to religious people tends to mean "push their beliefs") in your presence.

I'm not sure what 'beliefs' is supposed to mean in this context. Not pretending that it's equally plausible that we lack a complete understanding of the universe or that, alternately, a magic invisible guy who knows everything decided how it works and told a few people a really long time ago isn't really a matter of "belief." Those aren't equally likely positions that both deserve respect. One is comically wrong and should be openly ridiculed and one is the basis for all of human progress since we gained the ability to think.


Edited, Jan 20th 2015 1:43pm by Smasharoo
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#188 Jan 20 2015 at 4:49 PM Rating: Default
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Atheism isn't a choice you make, it's a lack of belief in religious fairy tales
So believing in something isn't a choice?

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A lot, and I mean a LOT, of people are atheists and don't even know atheism is a thing because it's kind of not a thing at all. A significant percentage of the people you know are probably atheists and you would never know because they have zero reason to talk about it, it's just not important to them, it's like discussing Snow White, or Little Miss Muffet, it's just not relevant to...anything so it doesn't cross their mind.

This means that anyone you know is an atheist probably has voiced an opinion that contradicts religion (which to religious people tends to mean "push their beliefs") in your presence. Your perspective is skewed by lack of a control group.
This is your experience. I have people on Facebook that are attempting to be Facebook celebrities (posting several discussion threads a day) and literally spends at least 1/3 of their posts talking about how religion isn't real and how everyone are mental slaves.

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Atheists tend not to talk about their "beliefs" because "nothing" isn't a belief so how do you know who the atheists are?
Everyone has a belief. Your failure to label it as such doesn't discount it. Atheists BELIEVE that the creation of all existence has a logical explanation that does not include people or things that we cannot prove.
#189 Jan 20 2015 at 6:40 PM Rating: Good
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This is your experience. I have people on Facebook that are attempting to be Facebook celebrities (posting several discussion threads a day) and literally spends at least 1/3 of their posts talking about how religion isn't real and how everyone are mental slaves.


Must be nice... all of my facebook feeds are filled with:

"STOP. SHARE THIS IF YOU KNOW JESUS WILL SAVE YOU. I KNOW 99% OF MY FRIENDS WILL NOT, BECAUSE THEY HATE JESUS."

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#190 Jan 20 2015 at 6:53 PM Rating: Excellent
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#191 Jan 20 2015 at 10:00 PM Rating: Excellent
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#192 Jan 20 2015 at 10:54 PM Rating: Excellent
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Everyone has a belief. Your failure to label it as such doesn't discount it. Atheists BELIEVE that the creation of all existence has a logical explanation that does not include people or things that we cannot prove.


No, there is no expectation that we can prove how existence came to be, but rather that it is highly unlikely that the method was that of the theist imagination.

In the same way that if you see a shattered window, there are many possibilities for how it occurred, but lacking a time machine it would be quite difficult to discern how it was broken. We can determine, however, that it is quite unlikely that it was broken by a dragon.
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#193 Jan 21 2015 at 1:03 AM Rating: Default
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Tirith wrote:

Must be nice... all of my facebook feeds are filled with:

"STOP. SHARE THIS IF YOU KNOW JESUS WILL SAVE YOU. I KNOW 99% OF MY FRIENDS WILL NOT, BECAUSE THEY HATE JESUS."

Neither are nice, but annoying.

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No, there is no expectation that we can prove how existence came to be, but rather that it is highly unlikely that the method was that of the theist imagination.

In the same way that if you see a shattered window, there are many possibilities for how it occurred, but lacking a time machine it would be quite difficult to discern how it was broken. We can determine, however, that it is quite unlikely that it was broken by a dragon.
I was referring to scientific atheists who do indeed believe that there is an explanation, hence many of their fields of study. As for the "everyday" atheist, something happened regardless if you decide to commit to an explanation or not. You still posses the belief that there is no God or "god" involved.
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#195 Jan 21 2015 at 8:19 AM Rating: Good
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In the same way that if you see a shattered window, there are many possibilities for how it occurred, but lacking a time machine it would be quite difficult to discern how it was broken.
Well, you can look around the mess to see if there were any rocks, blood, or dragon scales.
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In the same way that if you see a shattered window, there are many possibilities for how it occurred, but lacking a time machine it would be quite difficult to discern how it was broken.
Well, you can look around the mess to see if there were any rocks, blood, or dragon scales.

Also a clue; is the glass on the inside or the outside?

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#197 Jan 21 2015 at 11:51 AM Rating: Good
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lolgaxe wrote:
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In the same way that if you see a shattered window, there are many possibilities for how it occurred, but lacking a time machine it would be quite difficult to discern how it was broken.
Well, you can look around the mess to see if there were any rocks, blood, or dragon scales.


Yeah, but presumably the dragon hid them and put a baseball there to test your faith.
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Nonsense, you don't test faith.
#199 Jan 22 2015 at 1:04 AM Rating: Good
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Yodabunny wrote:
Nonsense, you don't test faith.
? You test scenarios that you have faith to be true. You don't hear often of all of the scientists that fail or hear about the failed attempts of the successful scientists. We tend to focus on the success stories.
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Nonsense, you don't test faith.
? You test scenarios that you have faith to be true. You don't hear often of all of the scientists that fail or hear about the failed attempts of the successful scientists. We tend to focus on the success stories.

Huh?
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#201 Jan 22 2015 at 7:28 AM Rating: Default
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Huh?
When you read scientific journals, you will often read at least two sides of what scientists think why something happens a certain way, the best solution to a problem, what will happen to something under certain circumstances, etc.

It then becomes a race to the finish to see who is actually right. They all cannot and will not be right. They are motivated on what they believe is right. Only one prevails as being correct and we often hear about that individual and their success. We often don't hear about all of the other scientists who were wrong in their theories or all of the failed attempts (i.e. flawed theory/logic) from the successful scientists.
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