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Um... How do you think schools enforce this? They require that parents provide them with proof of vaccinations. What the hell? You can't be this stupid. The day care requires proof of vaccination prior to a child being allowed to attend. They then ensure all of their customers that only those with vaccinations are allowed to attend. Done. You don't need a law requiring any day care to do this. Those that do can advertise that they do. Those that don't, cant. Existing law already provides a mechanism to deal with businesses which make false promises to their customers. There is absolutely zero need for a special law for this case.



Remember all those times when I kept saying that liberals can't tell the difference between laws which prohibit actions and laws which mandate them? This is another of those times.

They are not in any way conceptually identical. They are, in fact, a perfect example of the dividing line between legitimate and illegitimate government power in a free society. And in case I'm not being clear enough, that dividing line is the point between making it illegal to perform an act which harms others in society, and requiring you to perform an act which benefits others in society. The first is a correct use of government power in a free society. The second is not. Therefore that should be the point at which we stop. Well, if we care about people's rights that is.

Edited, Dec 9th 2014 12:49pm by gbaji

I think Smash is asking how does he, himself, know that all of the children are being vaccinated unless the daycare is required to check? If there is no law and the daycare says "yes, all of our children are vaccinated", how is he supposed to know that they aren't just saying that to get his money? He would have to ask for all of the shot records of all of the children who attend, and they will not do that.

Because the day care has promised the parent that they required every parent to provide proof of vaccination prior to their child attending. In fact, were Smash to attempt to send his child to said day care *he* would first be required to provide that very proof. Which is a pretty good way to determine for himself if they are actually doing this, right?



You guys can't really be this stupid. How do you know that the store you bought those leather shoes made them with real leather? How do you know that the store that promises that its clothes aren't made in sweatshops in Asia is telling the truth? Because if they make a claim like that they have to be truthful. You don't need the government to pass a law requiring that all shoes be leather, or all clothes not come from sweatshops for stores to choose to do these things and advertise that fact to their customers. And yet, amazingly, the system works.


And, as I already pointed out, each parent would themselves see how the vaccination requirement was enforced because they'd have to comply with the requirement themselves. There's zero need for a special law here.

First, I was clarifying the question, not asking it.

Second, you are correct that is indeed a good indicator; however, if there is no law, then there is no obligation to enforce it. So, when a family shows up and says "no, it's a conspiracy" or some other nonsense, does the daycare continue to deny or do they just accept the risk? Obviously, you could pretend that your child doesn't have immunization just to see if they would accept your child, but you shouldn't have to, nor is that a good way to start a relationship with someone who is taking care of your child.

To reiterate, I was clarifying the question. I concur that it is possible to determine without having a law, but the point is that individuals shouldn't have to.

Isn't that why we have advertisement laws?


To be fair on both sides, it actually doesn't. You may start off denying children, but as soon as you start translating children into dollars, management could allow it on a case by case scenario and/or during low enrollment periods. There would be no way for you to know that Timmy was let in without his shots because he's a relative or close friend. However, if it is regulated with health and/or federal inspections, people have a better sense of trust.

As stated, businesses goals are to make money, not make people feel good.